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Science > Abortion |
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"NondumNatus" |
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03 Dec 2004 08:39:03 PM |
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Some Common-Ground language concerns |
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
( ) "reproductive right"
( ) "murder"
( ) "woman's right to choose"
( ) "abortion"
( ) "killing"
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
03 Dec 2004 08:50:51 PM |
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"NondumNatus" <mflynn4@nd.edu> wrote in message
news:943ca030.0412031839.5c73d262@posting.google.com...
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
( ) "reproductive right"
( ) "murder"
( ) "woman's right to choose"
( ) "abortion"
( ) "killing"
Does the first item, "reproductive right", refer to both genders?
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| User: "Johnny" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
04 Dec 2004 08:19:45 AM |
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"NondumNatus" <mflynn4@nd.edu> wrote in message
news:943ca030.0412031839.5c73d262@posting.google.com...
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
( 5 ) "reproductive right"
( 1 ) "murder"
( 5 ) "woman's right to choose"
( 1 ) "abortion"
( 1 ) "killing"
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
05 Dec 2004 06:20:47 PM |
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(NondumNatus) wrote in message news:<943ca030.0412031839.5c73d262@posting.google.com>...
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Her life, her body, her choice. It is none of my business, or any one
else's, whether or not she chooses to continue her pregnancy. To
force her to continue a pregnancy against her will in tanamount to
rape.
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
( 1 ) "reproductive right"
( 5 ) "murder"
( 1 ) "woman's right to choose"
( 1 ) "abortion"
( 5 ) "killing"
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
03 Dec 2004 10:40:14 PM |
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NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
03 Dec 2004 11:25:29 PM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Ocbsd.6267$uw2.3987@news01.roc.ny...
NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
Thats an aweful lot of neutrals Frank. Does that mean that you think
abortion could be killing humans, but think it should be ok anyway?
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
03 Dec 2004 11:42:16 PM |
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Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Ocbsd.6267$uw2.3987@news01.roc.ny...
NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
Thats an aweful lot of neutrals Frank. Does that mean that you think
abortion could be killing humans, but think it should be ok anyway?
In a nutshell, yes. A fetus is of the human species, is it not?
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
04 Dec 2004 09:00:22 AM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Y6csd.6282$9x2.3619@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Ocbsd.6267$uw2.3987@news01.roc.ny...
NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
Thats an aweful lot of neutrals Frank. Does that mean that you think
abortion could be killing humans, but think it should be ok anyway?
In a nutshell, yes. A fetus is of the human species, is it not?
Oh, ok. I just wanted to confirm that you advocated killing "innocent" human
beings.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
04 Dec 2004 09:21:36 AM |
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Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Y6csd.6282$9x2.3619@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Ocbsd.6267$uw2.3987@news01.roc.ny...
NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
Thats an aweful lot of neutrals Frank. Does that mean that you think
abortion could be killing humans, but think it should be ok anyway?
In a nutshell, yes. A fetus is of the human species, is it not?
Oh, ok. I just wanted to confirm that you advocated killing "innocent" human
beings.
I said human, not "innocent human beings".
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
04 Dec 2004 09:56:22 AM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:4Cksd.6325$qP2.4389@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Y6csd.6282$9x2.3619@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Ocbsd.6267$uw2.3987@news01.roc.ny...
NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
Thats an aweful lot of neutrals Frank. Does that mean that you think
abortion could be killing humans, but think it should be ok anyway?
In a nutshell, yes. A fetus is of the human species, is it not?
Oh, ok. I just wanted to confirm that you advocated killing "innocent"
human beings.
I said human, not "innocent human beings".
Oh ok, so you actually do believe in dehumanizing the human beings before
you kill them? Hitler did that to the Jews before he started killing them
you know.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
04 Dec 2004 03:18:21 PM |
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On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:56:22 -0600, "Reasoned Insanity"
<mintclovers@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<k6lsd.23397$233.11342@okepread05> wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:4Cksd.6325$qP2.4389@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Y6csd.6282$9x2.3619@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Ocbsd.6267$uw2.3987@news01.roc.ny...
NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
Thats an aweful lot of neutrals Frank. Does that mean that you think
abortion could be killing humans, but think it should be ok anyway?
In a nutshell, yes. A fetus is of the human species, is it not?
Oh, ok. I just wanted to confirm that you advocated killing "innocent"
human beings.
I said human, not "innocent human beings".
Oh ok, so you actually do believe in dehumanizing the human beings before
you kill them? Hitler did that to the Jews before he started killing them
you know.
It is not possible for an abortion to kill a human other than the
woman involved.
If birth has occurred it is not an abortion. If birth has not
occurred no human is involved because a fetus is not a human being.
It's like having a scrambled chicken.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
04 Dec 2004 08:53:16 PM |
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Attila wrote:
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:56:22 -0600, "Reasoned Insanity"
<mintclovers@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<k6lsd.23397$233.11342@okepread05> wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:4Cksd.6325$qP2.4389@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Y6csd.6282$9x2.3619@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Ocbsd.6267$uw2.3987@news01.roc.ny...
NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
Thats an aweful lot of neutrals Frank. Does that mean that you think
abortion could be killing humans, but think it should be ok anyway?
In a nutshell, yes. A fetus is of the human species, is it not?
Oh, ok. I just wanted to confirm that you advocated killing "innocent"
human beings.
I said human, not "innocent human beings".
Oh ok, so you actually do believe in dehumanizing the human beings before
you kill them? Hitler did that to the Jews before he started killing them
you know.
It is not possible for an abortion to kill a human other than the
woman involved.
If birth has occurred it is not an abortion. If birth has not
occurred no human is involved because a fetus is not a human being.
It's like having a scrambled chicken.
That's where most tend to lose focus. They equate species with societal
status.
Many pro-lifers I've seen tend to believe that simply being a member of
the human species affords one some sort of right to something.
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
05 Dec 2004 04:43:09 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 02:53:16 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id <wKusd.6433$Pf3.1306@news01.roc.ny>
wrote:
If birth has occurred it is not an abortion. If birth has not
occurred no human is involved because a fetus is not a human being.
It's like having a scrambled chicken.
That's where most tend to lose focus. They equate species with societal
status.
Many pro-lifers I've seen tend to believe that simply being a member of
the human species affords one some sort of right to something.
It gives exactly as many rights as a dog has for being canine or a cat
for being feline. It means no more or less.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Some Common-Ground language concerns |
04 Dec 2004 08:47:59 PM |
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Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:4Cksd.6325$qP2.4389@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Y6csd.6282$9x2.3619@news01.roc.ny...
Reasoned Insanity wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net> wrote in message
news:Ocbsd.6267$uw2.3987@news01.roc.ny...
NondumNatus wrote:
Given all the hype about Roe v. Wade being overturned, I'm curious
about the language that's been being used. Humor me.
1. What's your stand on abortion?
Choice
2. How appropriate do you find the following terms as names for what
is commonly called "abortion"?
[(1) Very appropriate (2) Appropriate (3) Neutral (4) Inappropriate
(5) Very Inappropriate]
(3) "reproductive right"
(4) "murder"
(3) "woman's right to choose"
(2) "abortion"
(3) "killing"
Thats an aweful lot of neutrals Frank. Does that mean that you think
abortion could be killing humans, but think it should be ok anyway?
In a nutshell, yes. A fetus is of the human species, is it not?
Oh, ok. I just wanted to confirm that you advocated killing "innocent"
human beings.
I said human, not "innocent human beings".
Oh ok, so you actually do believe in dehumanizing the human beings
As I said, a fetus is human.
before you kill them?
I don't kill them.
Do you finance the unwanted who are born?
Hitler did that to the Jews before he started killing them
you know.
Did you know that has no relevance to the discussion?
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