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User: "Ian"
Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:05:49 PM
Object: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem.
Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US.
Here are my top four solutions from a pub in Covent Garden
this evening.
As with veal calves, actually give full birth, then hang it
by its feet and slit its throat. This is marginally less
painful than drilling a huge hole in the baby's head, and
sucking the brains out with an industrial vacuum cleaner.
Additional advantages are that the indecisive mother can
completely absolve responsibility by leaving the room before
the baby becomes Kosher (or Halal if it's Muslim.)
Alternatively, go on a shark fishing expedition around
Marathon in the Keys, and use it as bait. Provided the
woman shits it out in international waters I reckon there'd
be no charges to answer.
Another solution would be to have it without telling anyone,
and leave it to die in a toilet, or a rubbish skip.
Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than
7 months to decide she actually wants an abortion.
.

User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 10 Nov 2003 07:51:49 PM
"Ian" <drawnai@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d33ce629.0311101605.58f3f6de@posting.google.com...

Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US.

Here are my top four solutions from a pub in Covent Garden
this evening.

Great. An idiot that is drinking and posting to a newsgroup....this should
be interesting.


As with veal calves, actually give full birth, then hang it
by its feet and slit its throat.

Since this entails a live birth, the procedure you just described would be
murder. It would be nice if you dumb motherfuckers could make just *ONE*
valid point. Just one-fucking-valid-point is all we ask.
And with regard to the abortion issue in general, would it be too much to
ask for you to justify your existence with regard to what a woman does with
her body? A woman you don't know, I might add.

This is marginally less
painful than drilling a huge hole in the baby's head, and
sucking the brains out with an industrial vacuum cleaner.

Since this doesn't happen in any "real" medical procedure, you've now been
deemed full of *****. That ***** has the usual smell of a moron that believes
everything told to him.

Additional advantages are that the indecisive mother can
completely absolve responsibility by leaving the room before
the baby becomes Kosher (or Halal if it's Muslim.)

Since we don't find murder to be the least bit humorous, maybe you should
try this line on some of your less-than-intelligent cohorts.


Alternatively, go on a shark fishing expedition around
Marathon in the Keys, and use it as bait.

"It?" I'm assuming that you are speaking of the newborn child mentioned in
your previous [blathering] paragraph. This would still be the murder of a
newborn.

Provided the
woman shits it out in international waters I reckon there'd
be no charges to answer.

Now it's verified: you don't give a ***** about "born" children. You just
referred to giving birth as "shits it out." How quaint.
Or maybe you've begun projecting your own anal entry into this world. Did
your mother finally confess that she "***** [you] out?"


Another solution would be to have it without telling anyone,
and leave it to die in a toilet, or a rubbish skip.

This already takes place, dumbass. This is where you so-called "pro-lifers"
show your true hypocrisy. You turn a blind eye to these occurances, and
ignore the tens-of-thousands (if not hundreds-of-thousands) of abandoned
children in state care awaiting adoption. You're real good at intimidating
women that are making choices for themselves, and real short on any class,
depth or substantial actions.


Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than
7 months to decide she actually wants an abortion.

Here is some good examples of reasons for a late term abortion, known as
ID&E. "ID&E" is the actual medical procedure, and is vastly different than
the propaganda and ***** you dolts pump out by the ton:
(Warning: the pictures are slightly disgusting.)
http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN013.html
Lack of development of a fetal cranial vault leads to the neural tube defect
known as anencephaly.
http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN014.html
Here is anencephaly, which is one of the more common congenital CNS
abnormalities, seen in 0.5 to 1 in 1000 livebirths. Supplementing the
maternal diet (before and during pregnancy) with folate will greatly reduce
the chance for such defects.
http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN018.html
The rachischisis is demonstrated here in a case of iniencephaly.
http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN019.html
This is iniencephaly. The key features are: (1) imperfect formation of the
base of the skull, (2) rachischisis, and (3) exaggerated lordosis of the
vertebral column.
http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN036.html
A large occipital defect has allowed herniation of most of the cerebrum,
seen here radiographically. The cranial vault develops poorly with the most
of the brain herniated, and there is no way to put it back in.
http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN052.html
This form of neural tube defect is known as exencephaly. The cranial vault
is not completely present, but a brain is present, because it was not
completely exposed to amniotic fluid. Such an event is very rare. It may be
part of craniofacial clefts with limb-body wall complex.
You've been suckered into actually believing the PBA ***** story
concocted by a bunch of idiots. The procedure, nor the "minutes before
birth" ***** you people keep stating, do not exist. You have now been
shown pictures of the prime examples for the ID&E procedure. If you choose
to continue believing the garbage you've posted, then your ignorance will be
upgraded to stupidity.
Do take notes and try to keep up. All of this has been posted before.
Also note that these pictures are from a medical library, not a "pro-choice"
nor "anti-choice" website. Just medical FACTS.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.
User: "Society"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 10 Nov 2003 09:03:11 PM
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@gofuckyourself.yehaw.com> wrote in message
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Ian thoughtfully wrote...


Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US.

Here are my top four solutions from a pub in Covent Garden
this evening.


Great. An idiot that is drinking and posting to a newsgroup...
this should be interesting.

Not everybody goes to a pub to drink, Other Donald.
Pubs in England aren't like the bars you frequent.
Still, maybe Ian had had a draught or two 'cause stone
cold sober he'd a'known his "solutions" were flops --
they all require sperm-seekers to first think of the
consequences of their choices before _acting_!!!
--
All excuses for feminism depend on the stupidity
of their swallowers.
.
User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 10 Nov 2003 09:59:05 PM
"Society" <Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote in message
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@gofuckyourself.yehaw.com> wrote in

message

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Ian thoughtfully wrote...


Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US.

Here are my top four solutions from a pub in Covent Garden
this evening.


Great. An idiot that is drinking and posting to a newsgroup...
this should be interesting.


Not everybody goes to a pub to drink, Other Donald.
Pubs in England aren't like the bars you frequent.

You betcha. And I'll also bet that he reads Playboy for the articles.
</sarcasm>
With all due respect, the majority of the posters that he addressed were
Americans. It would only be fitting that "drinking" would be the conclusion
drawn from his words.


Still, maybe Ian had had a draught or two 'cause stone
cold sober he'd a'known his "solutions" were flops --

"Flops?" .....that's putting it mildly. How about unabashed ignorance?

they all require sperm-seekers

I hope your "sperm-seekers" remark was made with tongue in cheek. If not,
your words don't instill a sense of intelligence on your part. Especially
after trying to take the "not everybody...." high road with your opening
statements.

to first think of the
consequences of their choices before _acting_!!!

This nails it. You're just another clueless fucktard with invalid,
preconceived notions that have no basis in reality.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.


User: "Ian"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 11 Nov 2003 03:11:42 AM
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"Ian" <drawnai@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US.

Here are my top four solutions from a pub in Covent Garden
this evening.


Great. An idiot that is drinking and posting to a newsgroup....this should
be interesting.

False assumption fat boy! Who said I was drinking?




As with veal calves, actually give full birth, then hang it
by its feet and slit its throat.


Since this entails a live birth, the procedure you just described would be
murder. It would be nice if you dumb motherfuckers could make just *ONE*
valid point. Just one-fucking-valid-point is all we ask.

I see little difference between murder myself and sucking the brains
out of a nearly newborn with a vacuum cleaner.


And with regard to the abortion issue in general, would it be too much to
ask for you to justify your existence with regard to what a woman does with
her body? A woman you don't know, I might add.

I was hoping to use the same defence for drink drivers. Oh, and we
already can see that the father has no rights. One might ask why
that is.



This is marginally less
painful than drilling a huge hole in the baby's head, and
sucking the brains out with an industrial vacuum cleaner.


Since this doesn't happen in any "real" medical procedure, you've now been
deemed full of *****. That ***** has the usual smell of a moron that believes
everything told to him.

So partial birth abortion's not one step up from vacuum aspiration then?
You aren't demonstrating sufficient intellect to give me any confidence
that even with academic testing, you'd be able to determine what I know.


Additional advantages are that the indecisive mother can
completely absolve responsibility by leaving the room before
the baby becomes Kosher (or Halal if it's Muslim.)


Since we don't find murder to be the least bit humorous, maybe you should
try this line on some of your less-than-intelligent cohorts.

You proceed with a false assumption. Are you saying mortuary humour
is a myth? Perhaps you can rule out its existence.

Alternatively, go on a shark fishing expedition around
Marathon in the Keys, and use it as bait.


"It?" I'm assuming that you are speaking of the newborn child mentioned in
your previous [blathering] paragraph. This would still be the murder of a
newborn.

In international waters? What are you going to charge the mother with?
Piracy?



Provided the
woman shits it out in international waters I reckon there'd
be no charges to answer.


Now it's verified: you don't give a ***** about "born" children. You just
referred to giving birth as "shits it out." How quaint.

Is "How quaint." a sentence?


Or maybe you've begun projecting your own anal entry into this world. Did
your mother finally confess that she "***** [you] out?"

It's a quote from "There's something about Mary."




Another solution would be to have it without telling anyone,
and leave it to die in a toilet, or a rubbish skip.


This already takes place, dumbass. This is where you so-called "pro-lifers"
show your true hypocrisy. You turn a blind eye to these occurances, and

Dumbass? Moi? Don't be so pretentious as to think you're so clever as
to know my position on abortion. You aren't even right you thick fucker.

ignore the tens-of-thousands (if not hundreds-of-thousands) of abandoned
children in state care awaiting adoption. You're real good at intimidating
women that are making choices for themselves, and real short on any class,
depth or substantial actions.

I'm really good at intimidating men too, but yes, I did grow up
in a working class hole. As for your comments on substantial actions,
well since you don't know me, or what I do, what I've done etc,
then perhaps you can assume, but you've demonstrably failed to assess
me even remotely successfully. You even got my stance on abortion wrong.

Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than
7 months to decide she actually wants an abortion.


Here is some good examples of reasons for a late term abortion, known as
ID&E. "ID&E" is the actual medical procedure, and is vastly different than
the propaganda and ***** you dolts pump out by the ton:

(Warning: the pictures are slightly disgusting.)

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN013.html
Lack of development of a fetal cranial vault leads to the neural tube defect
known as anencephaly.

Medical reason, therefore excusable.


http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN014.html
Here is anencephaly, which is one of the more common congenital CNS
abnormalities, seen in 0.5 to 1 in 1000 livebirths. Supplementing the
maternal diet (before and during pregnancy) with folate will greatly reduce
the chance for such defects.

Medical reason, therefore excusable.

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN018.html
The rachischisis is demonstrated here in a case of iniencephaly.

Medical reason, therefore excusable.

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN019.html
This is iniencephaly. The key features are: (1) imperfect formation of the
base of the skull, (2) rachischisis, and (3) exaggerated lordosis of the
vertebral column.

Medical reason, therefore excusable.

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN036.html
A large occipital defect has allowed herniation of most of the cerebrum,
seen here radiographically. The cranial vault develops poorly with the most
of the brain herniated, and there is no way to put it back in.

Medical reason, therefore excusable.


http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN052.html
This form of neural tube defect is known as exencephaly. The cranial vault
is not completely present, but a brain is present, because it was not
completely exposed to amniotic fluid. Such an event is very rare. It may be
part of craniofacial clefts with limb-body wall complex.

Medical reason, therefore excusable.


You've been suckered into actually believing the PBA ***** story
concocted by a bunch of idiots. The procedure, nor the "minutes before
birth" ***** you people keep stating, do not exist. You have now been
shown pictures of the prime examples for the ID&E procedure. If you choose
to continue believing the garbage you've posted, then your ignorance will be
upgraded to stupidity.

Do take notes and try to keep up. All of this has been posted before.

Also still completely uninteresting. There are thousands of congenital,
spontaneous and pure heriditary diseases, that would recommend late
term abortion.
We could list many of the trisomys that when found through late soft
marker diagnosis, and then a CVS or Amnio would indicate the child
having terrible quality of life, and poor prognosis, say edward's perhaps.
Perhaps next time you read one of my posts, you can actually read the
detail, to try to work out whether it is remotely serious. If you find
it distasteful, try to put yourself in the shoes of a man, who wants
his child, but his girlfriend simply decided to kill it.


Also note that these pictures are from a medical library, not a "pro-choice"
nor "anti-choice" website. Just medical FACTS.

That statement sounds like it's coming from Joseph Mengele. It's just
as well we've got politicians to decide on ethics.
Worked out my position yet? No? Not as clever as we thought are we?


-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT

.
User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 11 Nov 2003 10:21:27 AM
"Ian" <drawnai@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@gofuckyourself.yehaw.com> wrote in

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"Ian" <drawnai@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d33ce629.0311101605.58f3f6de@posting.google.com...

Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US.

Here are my top four solutions from a pub in Covent Garden
this evening.


Great. An idiot that is drinking and posting to a newsgroup....this

should

be interesting.


False assumption fat boy!

Um....I'm not fat: 6'-2" at 180#. So...false retort on your part, Dumbass.
Bad start.

Who said I was drinking?

Based on the patent stupidity you wrote, you should have claimed 'drunken
stupor' as a defense. It alarms me to know that you actually posted your
tripe while sober.
And, from an exchange in another post in this thread:
Society wrote:

Not everybody goes to a pub to drink, Other Donald.
Pubs in England aren't like the bars you frequent.

My response:
You betcha. And I'll also bet that he reads Playboy for the articles.
</sarcasm>
With all due respect, the majority of the posters that he addressed were
Americans. It would only be fitting that "drinking" would be the conclusion
drawn from his words.




As with veal calves, actually give full birth, then hang it
by its feet and slit its throat.


Since this entails a live birth, the procedure you just described would

be

murder. It would be nice if you dumb motherfuckers could make just *ONE*
valid point. Just one-fucking-valid-point is all we ask.


I see little difference between murder myself and sucking the brains
out of a nearly newborn with a vacuum cleaner.

You are entitled to your personal opinion, however misguided it may be.
But it's just that: "your opinion." It doesn't mean jack-***** to women
you've never met.



And with regard to the abortion issue in general, would it be too much

to

ask for you to justify your existence with regard to what a woman does

with

her body? A woman you don't know, I might add.


I was hoping to use the same defence for drink drivers.

Invalid comparison. Try again.

Oh, and we
already can see that the father has no rights. One might ask why
that is.

With the anti-choicers, if you give them an inch, they'll ***** you out of a
mile. This is one aspect of "choice" I don't agree with, so beyond what I've
written later in this post, you'll have to ask someone else to justify this.




This is marginally less
painful than drilling a huge hole in the baby's head, and
sucking the brains out with an industrial vacuum cleaner.


Since this doesn't happen in any "real" medical procedure, you've now

been

deemed full of *****. That ***** has the usual smell of a moron that

believes

everything told to him.


So partial birth abortion's not one step up from vacuum aspiration then?

You are correct. PBA, as the
"healthy-fetus-with-kicking-feet-hanging-out-the-vagina-and-sucking-the-brai
ns-out" procedure that you overtly imply does NOT take place.
Your statement is false. The procedure as you claim is as imaginary as
Bush's "enriched uranium" documents he got from the British.

You aren't demonstrating sufficient intellect to give me any confidence

Drop the thesaurus, you're not impressing anyone. Also, try to write your
own material, fuckstain. You come across as a monkey-see, monkey-do
imitator.

that even with academic testing, you'd be able to determine what I know.

You're probably right. I'd have to regress to a middle-school mentality to
have a chance in hell of comprehending your juvenile *****.



Additional advantages are that the indecisive mother can
completely absolve responsibility by leaving the room before
the baby becomes Kosher (or Halal if it's Muslim.)


Since we don't find murder to be the least bit humorous, maybe you

should

try this line on some of your less-than-intelligent cohorts.


You proceed with a false assumption.

Killing a newborn is murder. Making Jewish and Muslim jokes about it shows
your lack of class.

Are you saying mortuary humour
is a myth?

Nope. Stupid assumption on your part. You're making this a habit.

Perhaps you can rule out its existence.

See previous response, dumbass.
EMT's have an expression of DRT: Dead Right There. Newborns and children, on
the other hand, are off limits to to jokes of this nature.



Alternatively, go on a shark fishing expedition around
Marathon in the Keys, and use it as bait.


"It?" I'm assuming that you are speaking of the newborn child mentioned

in

your previous [blathering] paragraph. This would still be the murder of

a

newborn.


In international waters? What are you going to charge the mother with?
Piracy?

Non-sequitur and indicative of your shameless ineptitude. Killing a newborn
is murder, and has nothing to do with abortion.




Provided the
woman shits it out in international waters I reckon there'd
be no charges to answer.


Now it's verified: you don't give a ***** about "born" children. You just
referred to giving birth as "shits it out." How quaint.


Is "How quaint." a sentence?

Oooo...a grammar flame. You must not have had anything legitimate to say.



Or maybe you've begun projecting your own anal entry into this world.

Did

your mother finally confess that she "***** [you] out?"


It's a quote from "There's something about Mary."

Yup. You never advanced past grade school.
Anyone that quotes a shitty movie such as "There's something about Mary" is
a professed idiot.





Another solution would be to have it without telling anyone,
and leave it to die in a toilet, or a rubbish skip.


This already takes place, dumbass. This is where you so-called

"pro-lifers"

show your true hypocrisy. You turn a blind eye to these occurances, and


Dumbass? Moi? Don't be so pretentious as to think you're so clever as
to know my position on abortion. You aren't even right you thick fucker.

ignore the tens-of-thousands (if not hundreds-of-thousands) of abandoned
children in state care awaiting adoption. You're real good at

intimidating

women that are making choices for themselves, and real short on any

class,

depth or substantial actions.


I'm really good at intimidating men too,

Hardly a trait to be proud of. Thus far, I'd venture to say that you can't
intimidate your own ***** to take a ***** without sitting down.

but yes, I did grow up
in a working class hole. As for your comments on substantial actions,
well since you don't know me, or what I do, what I've done etc,
then perhaps you can assume, but you've demonstrably failed to assess
me even remotely successfully. You even got my stance on abortion wrong.

I based my conclusions on your public display of ignorance. Act stupid and
you'll be assessed accordingly.



Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than
7 months to decide she actually wants an abortion.


Here is some good examples of reasons for a late term abortion, known as
ID&E. "ID&E" is the actual medical procedure, and is vastly different

than

the propaganda and ***** you dolts pump out by the ton:

(Warning: the pictures are slightly disgusting.)

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN013.html
Lack of development of a fetal cranial vault leads to the neural tube

defect

known as anencephaly.


Medical reason, therefore excusable.

But you said:
"Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than 7 months to
decide she actually wants an abortion."
I'll correctly assume that you were just an idiot when you made that
statement since you now agree with me.



http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN014.html
Here is anencephaly, which is one of the more common congenital CNS
abnormalities, seen in 0.5 to 1 in 1000 livebirths. Supplementing the
maternal diet (before and during pregnancy) with folate will greatly

reduce

the chance for such defects.


Medical reason, therefore excusable.

But you said:
"Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than 7 months to
decide she actually wants an abortion."
I'll correctly assume that you were just an idiot when you made that
statement since you now agree with me.


http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN018.html
The rachischisis is demonstrated here in a case of iniencephaly.


Medical reason, therefore excusable.

But you said:
"Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than 7 months to
decide she actually wants an abortion."
I'll correctly assume that you were just an idiot when you made that
statement since you now agree with me.


http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN019.html
This is iniencephaly. The key features are: (1) imperfect formation of

the

base of the skull, (2) rachischisis, and (3) exaggerated lordosis of the
vertebral column.


Medical reason, therefore excusable.

But you said:
"Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than 7 months to
decide she actually wants an abortion."
I'll correctly assume that you were just an idiot when you made that
statement since you now agree with me.


http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN036.html
A large occipital defect has allowed herniation of most of the cerebrum,
seen here radiographically. The cranial vault develops poorly with the

most

of the brain herniated, and there is no way to put it back in.


Medical reason, therefore excusable.

But you said:
"Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than 7 months to
decide she actually wants an abortion."
I'll correctly assume that you were just an idiot when you made that
statement since you now agree with me.



http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/PRENATAL/PREN052.html
This form of neural tube defect is known as exencephaly. The cranial

vault

is not completely present, but a brain is present, because it was not
completely exposed to amniotic fluid. Such an event is very rare. It may

be

part of craniofacial clefts with limb-body wall complex.


Medical reason, therefore excusable.

But you said:
"Perhaps the best is for the woman could simply take less than 7 months to
decide she actually wants an abortion."
I'll correctly assume that you were just an idiot when you made that
statement since you now agree with me.



You've been suckered into actually believing the PBA ***** story
concocted by a bunch of idiots. The procedure, nor the "minutes before
birth" ***** you people keep stating, do not exist. You have now been
shown pictures of the prime examples for the ID&E procedure. If you

choose

to continue believing the garbage you've posted, then your ignorance

will be

upgraded to stupidity.

Do take notes and try to keep up. All of this has been posted before.


Also still completely uninteresting. There are thousands of congenital,
spontaneous and pure heriditary diseases, that would recommend late
term abortion.

Then why are you bitching?
PBA is an imaginary procedure, and I have yet to see any "pro-lifer" post a
shred of verifiable evidence that ID&E is done "electively."


We could list many of the trisomys that when found through late soft
marker diagnosis, and then a CVS or Amnio would indicate the child
having terrible quality of life, and poor prognosis, say edward's perhaps.

Perhaps next time you read one of my posts, you can actually read the
detail, to try to work out whether it is remotely serious.

Generally, pro-choicers do not fire the first shot in a sarcasm volley.

If you find
it distasteful, try to put yourself in the shoes of a man, who wants
his child, but his girlfriend simply decided to kill it.

Then that is between you and her, not me and her.
I do not agree with the position that the father has no say in the matter,
especially when the abortion is done out of spite. Forcing a woman to endure
a pregnancy is equally as wrong.
And I know Pat Winstantly well enough to know she'll be here bitching about
my first statement any second now.



Also note that these pictures are from a medical library, not a

"pro-choice"

nor "anti-choice" website. Just medical FACTS.


That statement sounds like it's coming from Joseph Mengele. It's just
as well we've got politicians to decide on ethics.

Non-sequitur.


Worked out my position yet? No? Not as clever as we thought are we?

Yeah. Your position is obviously 'cranial-rectosis.' You have your head up
your *****.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.
User: "Society"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 11 Nov 2003 11:19:42 PM
"Ian" <drawnai@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d33ce629.0311110111.535835a2@posting.google.com...


"The other Donald" felt a beer buzz and scribbled...


Ian wrote...


Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US
here are my top four solutions from a pub in Covent Garden
this evening.


Great. An idiot that is drinking and posting to a newsgroup....

There you go again, Other Donald, being autobiographical.

this should be interesting.


False assumption fat boy! Who said I was drinking?

Nobody, of course, Ian. Perhaps Other Donald is
one of those people with a drinking problem who
keeps up the ol' alky's denial pattern by projecting
Other Donald's own guilty behavior onto other people.
This way, Other Donald can self-deceive into imagining
Other Donald's overindulgence in alcohol is _normal_.
--
All excuses for abortion eventually require the
excuse-maker to seek artificial means to numb
one's own guilty conscience.
.
User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: Some solutions 11 Nov 2003 11:56:26 PM
"Society" <Society@feminism.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:vr3g82qoj5qkab@corp.supernews.com...

"Ian" <drawnai@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d33ce629.0311110111.535835a2@posting.google.com...


"The other Donald" felt a beer buzz and scribbled...


Ian wrote...


Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US
here are my top four solutions from a pub in Covent Garden
this evening.


Great. An idiot that is drinking and posting to a newsgroup....


There you go again, Other Donald, being autobiographical.

In your 'sober stupidity' did it occur to you that all you've done is
essentially repeat yourself. Did your fruit fly attention span forget that
you wrote this yesterday in response to my statement:
Donald:

" Great. An idiot that is drinking and posting to a newsgroup...
this should be interesting."

Society responded:
"Not everybody goes to a pub to drink, Other Donald. Pubs in England aren't
like the bars you frequent."
Or did you dwell on this all night and think "Ooo, I know what should've
said...!"
I'm touched by your thoughtfulness.


this should be interesting.


False assumption fat boy! Who said I was drinking?


Nobody, of course, Ian.

Then you are both stupid motherfuckers. You should have let everyone believe
he was drunk.

Perhaps Other Donald is
one of those people with a drinking problem

Wrong, Dumbass. Stick your finger back in your nose and try to post
something even remotely interesting.
who

keeps up the ol' alky's denial pattern by projecting
Other Donald's own guilty behavior onto other people.

Sorry. I feel no guilt whatsoever for my behavior.
And continuing down the path of whether or not Ian was drinking at his
chosen pub only shows that you don't have anything to say worth listening
to.

This way, Other Donald can self-deceive into imagining
Other Donald's overindulgence in alcohol is _normal_.

What a piffy little, *****-poor excuse for a retort. It is obvious that
neither of you bitches have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Recap:
Ian posts a pile of ***** after visiting his local pub.
Right or wrong, I assumed he went there to drink. Apparently, he was there
to suck off the bartender.
The idiot hiding behind a fake address and identy of Society can't even
address the topic, and instead has run down a rabbit trail of whether or not
Ian was drinking at the pub. This is probably because he is a slow thinker,
and can't formulate any reasonable arguments regarding Ian's imbecillic
message.


--
All excuses for abortion eventually require the
excuse-maker to seek artificial means to numb
one's own guilty conscience.

None of which is any of your fucking business. I had attributed Ian's
stupidity to drinking. If you two want to say he was sober when he posted
his initial *****, then fine. We'll mark it up to his houseplant-IQ.
Your IQ appears to be slightly lower. What are you...15, 16 years old?
You're not old enough to *****, let alone have an opinion worth listening to.
Combine that with your anonymous email address and it is obvious you are yet
another gutless piece of ***** that isn't man enough to put his name on his
word. That would make you a coward, just like the rest of the so-called
"pro-lifers."
Come back when you grow some hair on your *****.
Plonk.
.


User: "Ian"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 12 Nov 2003 05:08:31 PM
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@gofuckyourself.yehaw.com> wrote in message news:<b08sb.33899$PH6.12322@twister.austin.rr.com>...
<snip boring chit chat.>
Please don't try to pretend you were intending to troll all along,
just because you haven't got a sense of humour and can't comprehend
how others can hold one view and argue another.
.
User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 12 Nov 2003 07:26:50 PM
"Ian" <drawnai@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d33ce629.0311121508.53a87f7b@posting.google.com...

"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@gofuckyourself.yehaw.com> wrote in

message news:<b08sb.33899$PH6.12322@twister.austin.rr.com>...


<snip boring chit chat.>

There was no chit-chat. I distinctly remember, though, basically calling you
a fuckhead. Or was it a "fucking idiot" that I called you? I forget. They
all apply to your post.


Please don't try to pretend you were intending to troll

I've been here (alt.abortion**) for quite some time, so your allusion to
trolling falls on deaf ears. I unsubscribed from alt.feminism and soc.men
long ago because one of your moronic counterparts couldn't tell the
difference between "feminine" and "feminism."
**alt.abortion is relevant because your stupidity was a futile attempt at
addressing an abortion issue.

all along,
just because you haven't got a sense of humour

Quite the contrary. I have one *hell* of a sense of humor. I just didn't
find any humor in your imbecillic post.

and can't comprehend
how others can hold one view and argue another.

You argued NOTHING. Your asinine scenarios were distinctly the murder of a
newborn child and not even remotely related to the topic of "abortion,"
"feminism," or "men". Speaking of trolling.....I believe that defines you as
a troll of the crossposting, "request for assistance" variety.
From the Troll FAQ:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
Subject: 4.2 The crosspost Troll
This is perhaps the most effective Troll in that it produces large numbers
of posts with little effort from the Troll. An inflammatory post is made to
a group of Sub Target newsgroups, say cooking, politics or guns. The Target
Newsgroup is included in the ng list. The innocent posters to the Sub
Target newsgroup continue to discuss this in the normal way without noticing
that the posts are also going to the Target Newsgroup.
This is commonly combined with The Request for Assistance troll
-end quote-
Based on your earlier comments, plus those of the killfiled moron known as
"Society," I'm not sure if you (and he) are 'projecting' or if this simply
makes you a hypocrite.
Now...If you were trying to mock the alleged pro-lifers, you may want to
give a bit more thought to it next time. You missed it on this round.
-Donald
.
User: "Society"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 13 Nov 2003 07:27:46 PM
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yehaw.com> potty-mouthed in message
news:u5Bsb.35652$Mc.5333@twister.austin.rr.com...


Ian wrote...


The other Donald barked...

<snip boring chit chat.>


There was no chit-chat.

Ian was being polite in referring to your remarks
in that manner, Other Donald.

I distinctly remember, though, basically calling you
a fuckhead.

Yeah, you excuse-makers for feminism use your
potty-mouths as a first resort. Sheesh! How about
trying reasoned discussion, Other Donald? You
can't, of course. Feminists began bawling that
reason and logic were "male forms of oppression"
because they couldn't make their case rationally.

Or was it a "fucking idiot" that I called you? I forget.

You apologists for feminism do have major memory
problems, Other Donald.

They all apply to your post.

How would you know, Other Donald? Your memory
isn't reliable by your own admission. Ha ha ha !!!
If you are soooo upset at having missed out on
personally experiencing your own Partial Birth
Abortion, Other Donald, you can always arrange
for your own car to run over your head. Your
skull contents will pop right out -- if you can
manage to do it correctly. Sheesh!
--
All excuses for feminism depend on the irrational.
.






User: "Mizzyandrea"

Title: Re: Some solutions to the Partial Birth Abortion ban problem. 10 Nov 2003 06:24:18 PM
Now that partial birth abortion's been banned in the US.
************************
Please name the medical text that lists this procedure.....
.


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