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05 Apr 2004 04:02:27 PM |
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Spanish cowards learn appeasement doesn't work |
Terror Group Warns Spain on U.S. Support
Monday, April 05, 2004
Associated Press
MADRID, Spain — An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the Madrid
bombings says it will turn Spain "into an inferno" unless the country
halts its support for the United States and withdraws its troops from Iraq
and Afghanistan.
The threat came in a letter faxed to the Spanish daily newspaper ABC over
the weekend, the paper said Monday. ABC said the letter was handwritten in
Arabic and signed "Abu Dujana Al Afgani, Ansar Group, al-Qaida in Europe."
The same person claimed responsibility for the March 11 bombings in a
videotape found outside a Madrid mosque two days after the attacks.
The fax came just hours before five terror suspects blew themselves up in
an apartment in Leganes, south of Madrid, to avoid police capture.
The government believes the suicide blast killed two of the alleged
ringleaders of last month's Madrid train bombings, including one known as
"the Tunisian," and three other terror suspects.
Two or three suspects may have escaped before the blast, which also killed
a special forces officer and wounded 15 other policeman.
The letter gave Spain until Sunday, April 4, to fulfill its demands of
ending support for the United States and withdrawing troops from both
countries.
"If these demands are not met, we will declare war on you and ... convert
your country into an inferno and your blood will flow like rivers," the
letter said.
The group said it had showed its force with the "blessed attacks of March
11" and the planting of a bomb along the high-speed railway line linking
Madrid and the Seville last week, which did not explode.
ABC cited unidentified sources in Spain's National Intelligence Center as
saying the letter's authenticity appeared "fairly credible." It said the
language used in the letter was similar to that used in the video.
The intelligence agency has linked the Ansar group to the Tunisian
ringleader killed in the blast Saturday evening.
Ansar al-Islam is an Islamic extremist guerrilla group blamed for
terrorist strikes in Iraq, Jordan, Turkey and Morocco.
A respected French private investigator says Spanish police believe that
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian terror suspect with links to the Ansar
group and Al Qaeda, coordinated the Madrid attacks.
The railway bombings, which killed 191 persons and injured some 1,800,
came three days before Spain's general elections. Many saw the bombings as
a reprisal for the Spanish government's support for the U.S.-led invasion
of Iraq.
The opposition Socialist party, which had opposed the war along with most
Spaniards, won the elections, in part due to anger over the attacks.
In one of its first statements, the party said it planned to withdraw
Spanish troops from Iraq by June 30 unless the United Nations took control
of the situation there. The party later said it intended doubling its
troop numbers in Afghanistan to 250 to show it was committed to fighting
terrorism.
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06 Apr 2004 07:56:53 PM |
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In article <c4shh0$2mab68$1@ID-170553.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Terror Group Warns Spain on U.S. Support
Monday, April 05, 2004
Associated Press
MADRID, Spain — An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the Madrid
bombings says it will turn Spain "into an inferno" unless the country
halts its support for the United States and withdraws its troops from Iraq
and Afghanistan.
Appeasment doesn't work? For many years, bin Laden wanted the United
States go move its military out of Saudi Arabia. After 9/11, Bush did
exactly that. He needed the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
If Bush and his comrads had listened to a millions of Americans and the
vast majority of Spaniards in the first place, he would have never
invaded Iraq in the first place.
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| User: "L.S.L" |
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06 Apr 2004 09:06:38 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:56:53 -0400, Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net>
wrote:
In article <c4shh0$2mab68$1@ID-170553.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Terror Group Warns Spain on U.S. Support
Monday, April 05, 2004
Associated Press
MADRID, Spain — An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the Madrid
bombings says it will turn Spain "into an inferno" unless the country
halts its support for the United States and withdraws its troops from Iraq
and Afghanistan.
Appeasment doesn't work? For many years, bin Laden wanted the United
States go move its military out of Saudi Arabia. After 9/11, Bush did
exactly that. He needed the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
If Bush and his comrads had listened to a millions of Americans and the
vast majority of Spaniards in the first place, he would have never
invaded Iraq in the first place.
Like we give a ***** about what the beaners have to say.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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06 Apr 2004 08:07:22 PM |
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Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
news:srhi-EB14A9.20565306042004@news-60.giganews.com:
In article <c4shh0$2mab68$1@ID-170553.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Terror Group Warns Spain on U.S. Support
Monday, April 05, 2004
Associated Press
MADRID, Spain — An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the
Madrid bombings says it will turn Spain "into an inferno" unless the
country halts its support for the United States and withdraws its
troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Appeasment doesn't work?
It didn't work in World War II and it doesn't work now.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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07 Apr 2004 08:38:50 AM |
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Marguerita <marguerita@hottermail.co.uk> wrote in
news:ho2870hu57buvtti0h9fdpik4c9b815lfr@4ax.com:
On 7 Apr 2004 01:07:22 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
news:srhi-EB14A9.20565306042004@news-60.giganews.com:
In article <c4shh0$2mab68$1@ID-170553.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Terror Group Warns Spain on U.S. Support
Monday, April 05, 2004
Associated Press
MADRID, Spain — An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the
Madrid bombings says it will turn Spain "into an inferno" unless the
country halts its support for the United States and withdraws its
troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Appeasment doesn't work?
It didn't work in World War II and it doesn't work now.
What exactly have the Spanish done to appease terrorists?
They've shown terrorists that they have the power to infludence elections
by scaring the Spanish to elect an administration that wants to run away
from Iraq.
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| User: "Marguerita" |
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07 Apr 2004 10:01:11 AM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:38:50 +0000 (UTC), Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
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Marguerita <marguerita@hottermail.co.uk> wrote in
news:ho2870hu57buvtti0h9fdpik4c9b815lfr@4ax.com:
On 7 Apr 2004 01:07:22 GMT, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in
news:srhi-EB14A9.20565306042004@news-60.giganews.com:
In article <c4shh0$2mab68$1@ID-170553.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
Terror Group Warns Spain on U.S. Support
Monday, April 05, 2004
Associated Press
MADRID, Spain — An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the
Madrid bombings says it will turn Spain "into an inferno" unless the
country halts its support for the United States and withdraws its
troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Appeasment doesn't work?
It didn't work in World War II and it doesn't work now.
What exactly have the Spanish done to appease terrorists?
They've shown terrorists that they have the power to infludence elections
by scaring the Spanish to elect an administration that wants to run away
from Iraq.
What evidence do you have that the people of Spain didn't simply vote
out their Government because they had gone against the wishes of the
people in invading Iraq in the first place?
M
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"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink.
I needn't argue about that; I'm right and I will
be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now;
I don't know which will go first-rock 'n' roll or
Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples
were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that
ruins it for me." John Lennon
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| User: "L.S.L" |
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07 Apr 2004 02:55:46 PM |
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What evidence do you have that
< SLAP >
Ya got any nekkid pics?
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| User: "C.C. Baxter" |
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07 Apr 2004 09:05:59 AM |
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Marguerita, en una muestra de su admirable prosa, afirmó en el mensaje
2p5870trqeceeqht0fl63nnhasmn8qs8nt@4ax.com que:
What evidence do you have that the people of Spain didn't simply vote
out their Government because they had gone against the wishes of the
people in invading Iraq in the first place?
And *lied* about who to blame on Madrid blasts.
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Buddy
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| User: "Matt" |
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08 Apr 2004 10:16:20 AM |
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C.C. Baxter wrote:
Marguerita, en una muestra de su admirable prosa, afirmó en el mensaje
2p5870trqeceeqht0fl63nnhasmn8qs8nt@4ax.com que:
What evidence do you have that the people of Spain didn't simply vote
out their Government because they had gone against the wishes of the
people in invading Iraq in the first place?
And *lied* about who to blame on Madrid blasts.
Yeap, I saw the claims and I can't believe they tried to blame the
Basque separatists. As I've always said, if you're going to lie, make
sure its actually a *plausible* lie, like it actually *could* happen.
Matt
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Jim Hutton" |
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08 Apr 2004 02:14:17 PM |
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"Matt" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:c53qc6$2p4mb3$5@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de...
C.C. Baxter wrote:
And *lied* about who to blame on Madrid blasts.
Maybe, but I'm not convinced that the real reason is not what I originally
posted, i.e., that the spanish got scared and "ran for cover".
On a similar note, is it possible that al quaeda was responsible for the
9/21/01 AZF explosion in Toulouse?
Would the French have wanted to keep any hint of outside involvement out of
that discussion -- as you say the spanish gov't wanted after 3/11?
just some thoughts...
J
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| User: "Matt" |
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09 Apr 2004 11:11:29 AM |
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Marguerita wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:05:59 +0200, "C.C. Baxter"
<ccNObaxterSPAM03@terra.es> wrote:
Marguerita, en una muestra de su admirable prosa, afirmó en el mensaje
2p5870trqeceeqht0fl63nnhasmn8qs8nt@4ax.com que:
What evidence do you have that the people of Spain didn't simply vote
out their Government because they had gone against the wishes of the
people in invading Iraq in the first place?
And *lied* about who to blame on Madrid blasts.
If you mean they blamed it on the Basque separatists first, I think
that's what most people thought when they heard about the blast. It
was the first thought to cross my mind. I am suprised that AQ chose
Spain rather than a more obvious target, and the fact that they did
should be a warning to those people who think that the UK is less
likely to be a target because so many civilians opposed the war!
Nope, I was more towards Al Quaeda, having seen the past actions of ETA,
it didn't fit in with the normal way of doing things. It just didn't
seem right, especially after the relative quiet that existed after the
last bombing and the fact that they warn before committing a terrorist act.
Matt
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
""Only the good die young", does that mean we'll have to put
up with George W Bush living to a ripe old age?"
"Mays Gilliam didn't attend the 'Rally to Fight Cancer'
last year. Does this mean Mays Gilliam is for Cancer?
A vote for Mays Gilliam is a vote for Cancer." - Head of State
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Torak" |
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10 Apr 2004 01:07:27 PM |
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Matt wrote:
STOP SODDDING CROSSPOSTING TO REC.GAMES.MINIATURES.WARHAMMER! And stop
feeding the bloody troll, he doesn't care about your opinions, he's just
trying to waste bandwidth!
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| User: "Marguerita" |
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10 Apr 2004 05:49:19 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:11:29 +1000, Matt <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au>
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Marguerita wrote:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:05:59 +0200, "C.C. Baxter"
<ccNObaxterSPAM03@terra.es> wrote:
Marguerita, en una muestra de su admirable prosa, afirmó en el mensaje
2p5870trqeceeqht0fl63nnhasmn8qs8nt@4ax.com que:
What evidence do you have that the people of Spain didn't simply vote
out their Government because they had gone against the wishes of the
people in invading Iraq in the first place?
And *lied* about who to blame on Madrid blasts.
If you mean they blamed it on the Basque separatists first, I think
that's what most people thought when they heard about the blast. It
was the first thought to cross my mind. I am suprised that AQ chose
Spain rather than a more obvious target, and the fact that they did
should be a warning to those people who think that the UK is less
likely to be a target because so many civilians opposed the war!
Nope, I was more towards Al Quaeda, having seen the past actions of ETA,
it didn't fit in with the normal way of doing things. It just didn't
seem right, especially after the relative quiet that existed after the
last bombing and the fact that they warn before committing a terrorist act.
On reflection you're probably right, but I expected the next big
attack to be against a country that was more fully for the invasion
than Spain was. Maybe they were just the soft target.
M
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"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink.
I needn't argue about that; I'm right and I will
be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now;
I don't know which will go first-rock 'n' roll or
Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples
were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that
ruins it for me." John Lennon
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| User: "Matt" |
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11 Apr 2004 02:50:55 AM |
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If you mean they blamed it on the Basque separatists first, I think
that's what most people thought when they heard about the blast. It
was the first thought to cross my mind. I am suprised that AQ chose
Spain rather than a more obvious target, and the fact that they did
should be a warning to those people who think that the UK is less
likely to be a target because so many civilians opposed the war!
Nope, I was more towards Al Quaeda, having seen the past actions of ETA,
it didn't fit in with the normal way of doing things. It just didn't
seem right, especially after the relative quiet that existed after the
last bombing and the fact that they warn before committing a terrorist act.
On reflection you're probably right, but I expected the next big
attack to be against a country that was more fully for the invasion
than Spain was. Maybe they were just the soft target.
Then again, that is what they wanted you to think. If you're a
terrorist, would you attack a something that everyone expects you to
target, or would you target something that no one would ever think would
be attacked? Also, remember, Morocco is only a hop-ship and a jump from
Spain, remember that a large number came from there, who were part of a
radical Islamic terrorist group the Moroccan authorities have been
fighting for years as it not only has anti-western overtones but
threatens the legitimate Moroccan government.
Matt
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "Denny Crane" |
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11 Apr 2004 03:00:12 AM |
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"Matt" <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:c5atd3$2pbc6a$1@ID-220941.news.uni-berlin.de...
If you mean they blamed it on the Basque separatists first, I think
that's what most people thought when they heard about the blast. It
was the first thought to cross my mind. I am suprised that AQ chose
Spain rather than a more obvious target, and the fact that they did
should be a warning to those people who think that the UK is less
likely to be a target because so many civilians opposed the war!
Nope, I was more towards Al Quaeda, having seen the past actions of ETA,
it didn't fit in with the normal way of doing things. It just didn't
seem right, especially after the relative quiet that existed after the
last bombing and the fact that they warn before committing a terrorist
act.
On reflection you're probably right, but I expected the next big
attack to be against a country that was more fully for the invasion
than Spain was. Maybe they were just the soft target.
Then again, that is what they wanted you to think. If you're a
terrorist, would you attack a something that everyone expects you to
target, or would you target something that no one would ever think would
be attacked? Also, remember, Morocco is only a hop-ship and a jump from
Spain, remember that a large number came from there, who were part of a
radical Islamic terrorist group the Moroccan authorities have been
fighting for years as it not only has anti-western overtones but
threatens the legitimate Moroccan government.
Matt
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
Everyone seems to forget what else happened during 9/11. Saudi's flying
home. Hundreds of Americans were put up by Canadian families and
everything was down.
How many of the terrorists during 9'11 were Saudi? (all) The house of Saud
were friends with the Bush family and they left easily, while no planes had
access to the air.
Give me a break.
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| User: "Matt" |
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11 Apr 2004 08:48:05 AM |
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Everyone seems to forget what else happened during 9/11. Saudi's flying
home. Hundreds of Americans were put up by Canadian families and
everything was down.
How many of the terrorists during 9'11 were Saudi? (all) The house of Saud
were friends with the Bush family and they left easily, while no planes had
access to the air.
Give me a break.
I've never forgotten hence the reason I said way back that Saudi Arabia
should have been the one attacked and not Iraq. The only terrorist
attacks "per say" that Iraq funded were cash payments of $10,000 to
suicide bombers in Palestine, which had *MORE* to do more with PR in the
middle east for the dictatorship of Saddam before the inevitable war
than actually supporting Islamic extremists. Saddam maybe an ***** but
he isn't stupid.
I'll bet my bottom dollar that Saddam is laughing himself to sleep every
night knowing what he guessed would happen, would actually occur, the US
is getting bogged down, extremists are coming in from surrounding
countries and the anti-Americanism is hitting fever pitch in the middle
east, everything that Saddam dreamed to come true, has.
The US didn't see it happening. This is what Saddam wanted all along,
too bad the average American is too thick to see it. This was part of
his whole plan; who cares about Iraq when you get can sweet revenge by
wipping up a storm of anti-Americanism before the war, give out arms to
every nutcase group and tell them to go wild.
Matt
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http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
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| User: "David" |
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07 Apr 2004 02:49:27 AM |
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Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
Terror Group Warns Spain on U.S. Support
Monday, April 05, 2004
Associated Press
MADRID, Spain ? An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the
Madrid bombings says it will turn Spain "into an inferno" unless the
country halts its support for the United States and withdraws its
troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Appeasment doesn't work?
It didn't work in World War II and it doesn't work now.
Why is this cliche being trotted out for Spain? Since they are still
fighting terrorism, they obviously aren't trying appeasement.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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07 Apr 2004 07:07:57 AM |
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(David) wrote in
news:3b0a6dae.0404062349.4d945dae@posting.google.com:
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
Terror Group Warns Spain on U.S. Support
Monday, April 05, 2004
Associated Press
MADRID, Spain ? An Islamic group that claims responsibility for the
Madrid bombings says it will turn Spain "into an inferno" unless the
country halts its support for the United States and withdraws its
troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Appeasment doesn't work?
It didn't work in World War II and it doesn't work now.
Why is this cliche being trotted out for Spain? Since they are still
fighting terrorism, they obviously aren't trying appeasement.
The Spanish caved in to terrorism on March 11. Now they are fighting
terrorism because they have no choice.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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09 Apr 2004 07:43:48 AM |
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Torak <andrew@andrew-perry.com> wrote in
news:40746F2D.2050904@andrew-perry.com:
Xomicron wrote:
<SNIP>
Don't feed the troll.
What's a troll?
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