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"J Young" |
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23 Apr 2007 12:48:35 PM |
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Speaking of quotes |
"We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with
human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our
constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is
wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams, to the
Officers of the First Brigade, Third Division, Massachusetts Militia,
October 11, 1798.
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: Speaking of quotes |
23 Apr 2007 05:22:53 PM |
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J Young wrote:
"We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with
human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our
constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is
wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams, to the
Officers of the First Brigade, Third Division, Massachusetts Militia,
October 11, 1798.
Adams was a Unitarian. No trinity, no Magic Jebus.
http://www.adherents.com/people/pa/John_Adams.html
"Adams was raised a Congregationalist, but ultimately rejected many
fundamental doctrines of conventional Christianity, such as the Trinity
and the divinity of Jesus, becoming a Unitarian. In his youth, Adams'
father urged him to become a minister, but Adams refused, considering
the practice of law to be a more noble calling. Although he once
referred to himself as a 'church going animal,' Adams' view of religion
overall was rather ambivalent: He recognized the abuses, large and
small, that religious belief lends itself to, but he also believed that
religion could be a force for good in individual lives and in society at
large. His extensive reading (especially in the classics), led him to
believe that this view applied not only to Christianity, but to all
religions."
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From: R.P. Nettelhorst, "Notes on the Founding Fathers and the
Separation of Church and State", posted on Quartz Hill School of
Theology website (http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume2/ushistor.htm;
viewed 30 November 2005):
John Adams, the second U.S. President rejected the Trinity...
and became a Unitarian. It was during Adams' presidency that the
Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship with Tripoli,
which states in Article XI that:
As the government of the United States of America is not
in any sense founded on the Christian Religion - as it
has in itself no character of enmity against the laws,
religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said
States never have entered into any war or act of
hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared
by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious
opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the
harmony existing between the two countries. (Charles I.
Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements
of the United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11:
Philippines-United Arab Republic. Washington D.C.:
Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072).
This treaty with the Islamic state of Tripoli had been written
and concluded by Joel Barlow during Washington's Administration.
The U.S. Senate ratified the treaty on June 7, 1797; President
Adams signed it on June 10, 1797 and it was first published in
the Session Laws of the Fifth Congress, first session in 1797.
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Not exactly a friend to fundies like "J Young" or Earl, to be sure.
655321
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: Speaking of quotes |
23 Apr 2007 04:56:46 PM |
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On 23 Apr., 19:48, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:
"We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with
human passions, unbridled by morality and true religion. Our
constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is
wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams, to the
Officers of the First Brigade, Third Division, Massachusetts Militia,
October 11, 1798.
Your point?
Your sect condemns hypocrisy, and you're a hypocrite.
Your sect condemns intolerance and you're intolerant.
Your sect condemns vanity and you're vain.
Why don't you take care of yourself, *****?
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