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"David W. Barnes" |
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24 Jan 2007 09:19:47 PM |
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Still In Denial |
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
³Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq³
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Cheney added, "The notion that somehow the effort hasn't been worth it,
or that we shouldn't go ahead and complete the task, is just dead
wrong.
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were ³worth it.²
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, ³too busy being a
Republican,² he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
***** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve, claiming, "So many
minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room
for patriotic folks like himself.
As for Bush, he decided that a six-year National Guard commitment
really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Also,
went AWOL. (Sound familiar, Osprey?)
John McCain, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bob Dole, Chuck Hagel, Jimmy Carter,
George McGovern, John F. Kennedy - All Served With Honor.
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24 Jan 2007 10:22:06 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
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I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
Were you holding a gun while you were laughing you fucking cross posting
moron?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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24 Jan 2007 11:06:33 PM |
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In article <OfWth.365270$1i1.73802@attbi_s72>, Morton Davis
<antikerry@go.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
Were you holding a gun while you were laughing you fucking cross posting
moron?
I posted where I wanted to, you hated filled piece of *****.
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24 Jan 2007 11:24:18 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:240120072106330309%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <OfWth.365270$1i1.73802@attbi_s72>, Morton Davis
<antikerry@go.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
Were you holding a gun while you were laughing you fucking cross
posting
moron?
I posted where I wanted to, you hated filled piece of *****.
We refer to him as Moron Davis for good reason.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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25 Jan 2007 07:56:42 AM |
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BOB wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:240120072106330309%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <OfWth.365270$1i1.73802@attbi_s72>, Morton Davis
<antikerry@go.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
Were you holding a gun while you were laughing you fucking cross
posting moron?
I posted where I wanted to, you hated filled piece of *****.
We refer to him as Moron Davis for good reason.
It's fear of the truth!
They stick their heads in the sand and delete truthful posts:
actually laughed out loud when I read this.
³Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq³
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Cheney added, "The notion that somehow the effort hasn't been worth it,
or that we shouldn't go ahead and complete the task, is just dead
wrong.
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were ³worth it.²
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, ³too busy being a
Republican,² he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
***** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve, claiming, "So many
minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room
for patriotic folks like himself.
As for Bush, he decided that a six-year National Guard commitment
really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Also,
went AWOL. (Sound familiar, Osprey?)
John McCain, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bob Dole, Chuck Hagel, Jimmy Carter,
George McGovern, John F. Kennedy - All Served With Honor.
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| User: "BOB" |
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25 Jan 2007 10:46:49 AM |
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"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:mG2uh.9530$Cg1.8481@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
BOB wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in
news:240120072106330309%dwbarnes@barnsco.com:
In article <OfWth.365270$1i1.73802@attbi_s72>, Morton Davis
<antikerry@go.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
Were you holding a gun while you were laughing you fucking cross
posting moron?
I posted where I wanted to, you hated filled piece of *****.
We refer to him as Moron Davis for good reason.
It's fear of the truth!
They stick their heads in the sand and delete truthful posts:
actually laughed out loud when I read this.
³Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq³
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Cheney added, "The notion that somehow the effort hasn't been worth
it, or that we shouldn't go ahead and complete the task, is just dead
wrong.
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age,
he received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own
words, "had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy
who claims the deaths in Iraq were ³worth it.²
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, ³too busy being a
Republican,² he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
***** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve, claiming, "So many
minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room
for patriotic folks like himself.
As for Bush, he decided that a six-year National Guard commitment
really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Also,
went AWOL. (Sound familiar, Osprey?)
And those stinking hypocrites claim to be our republikkkan political
"leaders".
John McCain, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bob Dole, Chuck Hagel, Jimmy Carter,
George McGovern, John F. Kennedy - All Served With Honor.
I think anyone who is "for" the supposed "war" in Iraq should go there
and fight for their convictions, regardlesss of their age or status.
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| User: "Felix D." |
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25 Jan 2007 09:35:12 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120072106330309%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <OfWth.365270$1i1.73802@attbi_s72>, Morton Davis
<antikerry@go.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
Were you holding a gun while you were laughing you fucking cross posting
moron?
I posted where I wanted to, you hated filled piece of *****.
You're projecting, David.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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25 Jan 2007 10:04:50 PM |
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In article <JfmdnSqN3_Nw6yTYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com>, Felix D.
<#1Chekist@OGPU.org> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120072106330309%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
In article <OfWth.365270$1i1.73802@attbi_s72>, Morton Davis
<antikerry@go.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
Were you holding a gun while you were laughing you fucking cross posting
moron?
I posted where I wanted to, you hate filled piece of *****.
You're projecting, David.
Wow! What a great come back! Republican, right?
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Bj=F8rn_Perls=F8?=" |
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29 Jan 2007 11:38:36 PM |
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David W. Barnes <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote:
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
"Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq"
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Hang the fucker.
Or gun him down when he leaves the White House in '09. In any case,
serve justice and off the *****.
--
regards , Peter B. P. - http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk
"If guns kill, do pencils cause spelling errors?"
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| User: "Tankfixer" |
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30 Jan 2007 09:08:08 PM |
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In article <1hsqnq6.19967jq143ezxcN%peter@DIESPAMMERDIE.dk>,
peter@DIESPAMMERDIE.dk mumbled
David W. Barnes <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote:
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
"Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq"
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Hang the fucker.
Or gun him down when he leaves the White House in '09. In any case,
serve justice and off the *****.
You don't plan on visiting the US do you ?
--
Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a
diet of static text and
cascading "threads."
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| User: "Peter B. P." |
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01 Feb 2007 09:12:25 PM |
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Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <1hsqnq6.19967jq143ezxcN%peter@DIESPAMMERDIE.dk>,
peter@DIESPAMMERDIE.dk mumbled
David W. Barnes <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote:
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
"Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq"
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Hang the fucker.
Or gun him down when he leaves the White House in '09. In any case,
serve justice and off the *****.
You don't plan on visiting the US do you ?
Possibly, but I'd take the southern border with the wetbacks.
--
regards , Peter B. P. - http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk
If guns kill, do pencils cause spelling errors?
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| User: "Tankfixer" |
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03 Feb 2007 02:28:37 PM |
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In article <1hsw3mz.10sbjapap2llN%peter@DIESPAMMERDIE.dk>,
peter@DIESPAMMERDIE.dk mumbled
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <1hsqnq6.19967jq143ezxcN%peter@DIESPAMMERDIE.dk>,
peter@DIESPAMMERDIE.dk mumbled
David W. Barnes <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote:
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
"Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq"
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Hang the fucker.
Or gun him down when he leaves the White House in '09. In any case,
serve justice and off the *****.
You don't plan on visiting the US do you ?
Possibly, but I'd take the southern border with the wetbacks.
Enjoy the trip then.
Bring lots of water.
--
Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a
diet of static text and
cascading "threads."
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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25 Jan 2007 02:05:21 PM |
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In article <240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote:
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
³Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq³
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Cheney added, "The notion that somehow the effort hasn't been worth it,
or that we shouldn't go ahead and complete the task, is just dead
wrong.
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were ³worth it.²
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, ³too busy being a
Republican,² he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
***** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve, claiming, "So many
minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room
for patriotic folks like himself.
As for Bush, he decided that a six-year National Guard commitment
really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Also,
went AWOL. (Sound familiar, Osprey?)
John McCain, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bob Dole, Chuck Hagel, Jimmy Carter,
George McGovern, John F. Kennedy - All Served With Honor.
the scare thing is that there is still a crazed minority who actually
believes in bush and the bush administration.
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| User: "John Graeme" |
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27 Jan 2007 04:00:00 PM |
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On Jan 24, 10:19 pm, "David W. Barnes" <dwbar...@barnsco.com> wrote:
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
=B3Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq=B3
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were =B3worth it.=B2
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, =B3too busy being a
Republican,=B2 he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
<snip>
Who cares? The Iraq war is an idiotic blunder, but your arguments are=20
equally idiotic. And the Vietnam war was an even bigger, more idiotic=20
blunder--started by the great liberal Johnson and a Democratic=20
Congress BTW. But statists never see that the real problem lies in=20
government itself--
"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying=20
to prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly=20
succeed, and are right...The United States...history is simply a=20
record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds."
--H. L. Mencken
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27 Jan 2007 07:24:03 PM |
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In article <1169935200.734516.49470@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, John
Graeme <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 10:19 pm, "David W. Barnes" <dwbar...@barnsco.com> wrote:
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
³Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq³
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were ³worth it.²
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, ³too busy being a
Republican,² he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
<snip>
Who cares? The Iraq war is an idiotic blunder, but your arguments are
equally idiotic. And the Vietnam war was an even bigger, more idiotic
blunder--started by the great liberal Johnson and a Democratic
Congress BTW.
It was started by Eisenhower.
But statists never see that the real problem lies in
government itself--
Oh yeah - the ³statists³ Yeah - that¹s it. :-)
"Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying
to prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly
succeed, and are right...The United States...history is simply a
record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds."
--H. L. Mencken
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27 Jan 2007 07:41:17 PM |
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John Graeme <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 10:19 pm, "David W. Barnes" <dwbar...@barnsco.com> wrote:
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
³Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq³
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were ³worth it.²
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, ³too busy being a
Republican,² he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
<snip>
Who cares? The Iraq war is an idiotic blunder, but your arguments are
equally idiotic. And the Vietnam war was an even bigger, more idiotic
blunder--started by the great liberal Johnson and a Democratic
Congress BTW.
Eisenhower, actually.
But statists never see that the real problem lies in
government itself--
Yeah, we all know how well anarchy works.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Peter_Bj=F8rn_Perls=F8?=" |
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29 Jan 2007 11:38:36 PM |
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John Graeme <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
Who cares? The Iraq war is an idiotic blunder, but your arguments are
equally idiotic. And the Vietnam war was an even bigger, more idiotic
blunder--started by the great liberal Johnson and a Democratic
Congress BTW. But statists never see that the real problem lies in
government itself--
More like a government not backed by popular sovereignity.
--
regards , Peter B. P. - http://titancity.com/blog , http://macplanet.dk
"If guns kill, do pencils cause spelling errors?"
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| User: "dstaples" |
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24 Jan 2007 11:02:25 PM |
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Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
³Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq³
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Cheney added, "The notion that somehow the effort hasn't been worth it,
or that we shouldn't go ahead and complete the task, is just dead
wrong.
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were ³worth it.²
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, ³too busy being a
Republican,² he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
***** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve, claiming, "So many
minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room
for patriotic folks like himself.
As for Bush, he decided that a six-year National Guard commitment
really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Also,
went AWOL. (Sound familiar, Osprey?)
John McCain, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bob Dole, Chuck Hagel, Jimmy Carter,
George McGovern, John F. Kennedy - All Served With Honor.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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26 Jan 2007 12:19:45 AM |
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In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
But I doubt he would have had someone go in his place, as Bush did.
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
³Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the idea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq³
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Cheney added, "The notion that somehow the effort hasn't been worth it,
or that we shouldn't go ahead and complete the task, is just dead
wrong.
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were ³worth it.²
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, ³too busy being a
Republican,² he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
***** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve, claiming, "So many
minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room
for patriotic folks like himself.
As for Bush, he decided that a six-year National Guard commitment
really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Also,
went AWOL. (Sound familiar, Osprey?)
John McCain, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bob Dole, Chuck Hagel, Jimmy Carter,
George McGovern, John F. Kennedy - All Served With Honor.
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
26 Jan 2007 09:15:53 PM |
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In article <250120072219459032%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,=20
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
=20
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
=20
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
So tell us again why he bothered to get a ROTC appointment that he gave=20
up once he was safely in England ?
=20
But I doubt he would have had someone go in his place, as Bush did.
=20
=20
"David W. Barnes" <dwbarnes@barnsco.com> wrote in message
news:240120071919479655%dwbarnes@barnsco.com...
I actually laughed out loud when I read this.
=B3Vice President ***** Cheney dismissed as "hogwash" Wednesday the id=
ea
that blunders may have hurt the administration's credibility on Iraq=
=B3
<http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/24/cheney/index.html>
And this is one of the idiots that is sending Americans to die.
Cheney added, "The notion that somehow the effort hasn't been worth i=
t,
or that we shouldn't go ahead and complete the task, is just dead
wrong.
Now, for the record, during Vietnam, when Cheney was of service age, =
he
received several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words,
"had other priorities than military service.") This is the guy who
claims the deaths in Iraq were =B3worth it.=B2
As for the others who think this is worth it:
Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve received seven
deferments.
Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, =B3too busy being a
Republican,=B2 he said.
Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve.
George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of
Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve.
Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.
***** Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.
Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve, claiming, "So many
minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room
for patriotic folks like himself.
As for Bush, he decided that a six-year National Guard commitment
really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Also,
went AWOL. (Sound familiar, Osprey?)
John McCain, Al Gore, John Kerry, Bob Dole, Chuck Hagel, Jimmy Carter=
,
George McGovern, John F. Kennedy - All Served With Honor.
=20
=20
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
26 Jan 2007 11:38:40 PM |
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In article <Jtzuh.17594$w91.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <250120072219459032%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
So tell us again why he bothered to get a ROTC appointment that he gave
up once he was safely in England ?
He wasn¹t ³safely in England.² He could have been drafted like anyone
else. As for giving up an ROTC appointment, he never joined the ROTC,
instead enrolling in the draft.
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| User: "Tankfixer" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
27 Jan 2007 11:42:27 AM |
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In article <260120072138402344%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,=20
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <Jtzuh.17594$w91.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
=20
In article <250120072219459032%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,=20
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
=20
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
=20
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
=20
So tell us again why he bothered to get a ROTC appointment that he gave=
=20
up once he was safely in England ?
=20
He wasn=B9t =B3safely in England.=B2 He could have been drafted like any=
one
else. As for giving up an ROTC appointment, he never joined the ROTC,
instead enrolling in the draft.
When you are on forign soil just how do they draft you ?
Or was running to Canada a waste of time ?
Technicly you may be correct in that Mr Clinton did not "join" the ROTC.
He had a letter of intent signed that he was going to.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.ht
ml
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/skeleton
s/draft.shtml
"Clinton's Draft Deferrment
In the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high=20
number (311) and was never called to serve -- however, Clinton made=20
every effort to avoid the draft prior to entering it.=20
First, Bill Clinton received education deferments while at Georgetown=20
and Oxford (where he helped organize demonstrations against the war).=20
Second, Clinton attempted to avoid the draft for four years by=20
enrolling, but never joining, the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps=20
(ROTC). Clinton had enrolled in the ROTC hoping to avoid military=20
service for four years, but, wanting a future in politics, had a change=20
of heart and entered the draft.
In December 1969, safe from the draft with his high lottery number,=20
Clinton changed his mind about joining the ROTC program and wrote a=20
letter to the director of the ROTC program thanking him "for saving me=20
from the draft" and regretted misleading him by not revealing the extent=20
of his opposition to the war. The letter was leaked by the Pentagon to=20
ABC news early in the 1992 fueled criticism of candidate Clinton's=20
character.
Later in the 1992 campaign, it became known that Clinton's uncle had=20
attempted to get Bill Clinton a Navy Reserve assignment during the=20
Vietnam war. Clinton said he didn't know anything about it to the press=20
on September 3, 1992 but a day later admitted that a former draft board=20
member had informed him of his uncles' attempt several months before."
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
27 Jan 2007 07:24:04 PM |
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In article <7aMuh.15913$yx6.7824@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <260120072138402344%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <Jtzuh.17594$w91.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <250120072219459032%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
So tell us again why he bothered to get a ROTC appointment that he gave
up once he was safely in England ?
He wasn¹t ³safely in England.² He could have been drafted like anyone
else. As for giving up an ROTC appointment, he never joined the ROTC,
instead enrolling in the draft.
When you are on forign soil just how do they draft you ?
The same as anyone else.
Or was running to Canada a waste of time ?
He went to England as a Rhodes Scholar.
Technicly you may be correct in that Mr Clinton did not "join" the ROTC.
Yeah - ³technically.² LOL! But maybe you can spin it otherwise. I
guess ³technically² the Bush Administration is responsible for the
death of over 3000 Americans, too. (³Technically,³ that is...)
He had a letter of intent signed that he was going to.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.ht
ml
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/skeleton
s/draft.shtml
Which means nothing. He didn¹t do it.
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
27 Jan 2007 03:57:02 PM |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:42:27 GMT, Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m>
wrote:
In article <260120072138402344%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <Jtzuh.17594$w91.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <250120072219459032%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
So tell us again why he bothered to get a ROTC appointment that he gave
up once he was safely in England ?
He wasn¹t ³safely in England.² He could have been drafted like anyone
else. As for giving up an ROTC appointment, he never joined the ROTC,
instead enrolling in the draft.
From the ROTC web site;
Army ROTC is an elective curriculum you take along with your required
college classes. It prepares you with the tools, training and
experiences that will help you succeed in any competitive environment.
Along with great leadership training, Army ROTC can pay for your
college tuition, too. You will have a normal college student
experience like everyone else on campus, but when you graduate, you
will be an Officer in the Army.
Being an Officer in the U.S. Army means you’re a leader, a counselor,
a strategist and a motivator. It's similar to being a vital manager in
a corporation. As an Officer, you will lead other Soldiers in all
situations and adjust in environments that are always changing. They
are driven to achieve success with their team on every mission.
Army ROTC is one of the Nation’s top leadership programs, with many
benefits to joining. Through Army ROTC you can:
Get help with your college tuition with an Army ROTC scholarship
Gain experience you can't find anywhere else
Gain the respect of your peers and future employers
Train to become a leader and manager
Clinton was not from a wealthy family, it's a wonder he did not sign
up.
My son joined ROTC in high school, then won a appointment to the Air
Force Academy. My daughter also was in ROTC, and went to U.S.Coast
Guard Academy.
Both were commissioned officers, neither ever saw service. Both
found jobs considered more important than military service. My
daughter teaches, my son is a engineer for the D.O.T.
ROTC saved me a tub full of money. I only needed to supply them with
pocket money.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
27 Jan 2007 07:24:04 PM |
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In article <u1inr21kf80o2gpang2nq2m32bv58obi54@4ax.com>, Robert
<robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:42:27 GMT, Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m>
wrote:
In article <260120072138402344%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <Jtzuh.17594$w91.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <250120072219459032%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
So tell us again why he bothered to get a ROTC appointment that he gave
up once he was safely in England ?
He wasn¹t ³safely in England.² He could have been drafted like anyone
else. As for giving up an ROTC appointment, he never joined the ROTC,
instead enrolling in the draft.
From the ROTC web site;
Army ROTC is an elective curriculum you take along with your required
college classes. It prepares you with the tools, training and
experiences that will help you succeed in any competitive environment.
Along with great leadership training, Army ROTC can pay for your
college tuition, too. You will have a normal college student
experience like everyone else on campus, but when you graduate, you
will be an Officer in the Army.
Being an Officer in the U.S. Army means you’re a leader, a counselor,
a strategist and a motivator. It's similar to being a vital manager in
a corporation. As an Officer, you will lead other Soldiers in all
situations and adjust in environments that are always changing. They
are driven to achieve success with their team on every mission.
Army ROTC is one of the Nation’s top leadership programs, with many
benefits to joining. Through Army ROTC you can:
Get help with your college tuition with an Army ROTC scholarship
Gain experience you can't find anywhere else
Gain the respect of your peers and future employers
Train to become a leader and manager
Clinton was not from a wealthy family, it's a wonder he did not sign
up.
My son joined ROTC in high school, then won a appointment to the Air
Force Academy. My daughter also was in ROTC, and went to U.S.Coast
Guard Academy.
Both were commissioned officers, neither ever saw service. Both
found jobs considered more important than military service. My
daughter teaches, my son is a engineer for the D.O.T.
ROTC saved me a tub full of money. I only needed to supply them with
pocket money.
Clinton was highly intelligent and popular, and an excellent President.
No wonder the Republican Party hates him so. Look what they have to
offer:
<http://tinyurl.com/24zlhz>
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| User: "Tankfixer" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
28 Jan 2007 11:59:56 AM |
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In article <270120071724044538%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,=20
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <u1inr21kf80o2gpang2nq2m32bv58obi54@4ax.com>, Robert
<robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
=20
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:42:27 GMT, Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m>
wrote:
=20
In article <260120072138402344%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,=20
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <Jtzuh.17594$w91.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
=20
In article <250120072219459032%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,=20
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
=20
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
=20
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
=20
So tell us again why he bothered to get a ROTC appointment that he=
gave=20
up once he was safely in England ?
=20
He wasn=B9t =B3safely in England.=B2 He could have been drafted lik=
e anyone
else. As for giving up an ROTC appointment, he never joined the ROT=
C,
instead enrolling in the draft.
=20
From the ROTC web site;
=20
Army ROTC is an elective curriculum you take along with your required
college classes. It prepares you with the tools, training and
experiences that will help you succeed in any competitive environment.
Along with great leadership training, Army ROTC can pay for your
college tuition, too. You will have a normal college student
experience like everyone else on campus, but when you graduate, you
will be an Officer in the Army.=20
=20
=20
Being an Officer in the U.S. Army means you?re a leader, a counselor,
a strategist and a motivator. It's similar to being a vital manager in
a corporation. As an Officer, you will lead other Soldiers in all
situations and adjust in environments that are always changing. They
are driven to achieve success with their team on every mission.=20
=20
=20
Army ROTC is one of the Nation?s top leadership programs, with many
benefits to joining. Through Army ROTC you can:=20
=20
Get help with your college tuition with an Army ROTC scholarship=20
Gain experience you can't find anywhere else=20
Gain the respect of your peers and future employers=20
Train to become a leader and manager=20
=20
Clinton was not from a wealthy family, it's a wonder he did not sign
up.=20
My son joined ROTC in high school, then won a appointment to the Air
Force Academy. My daughter also was in ROTC, and went to U.S.Coast
Guard Academy.=20
Both were commissioned officers, neither ever saw service. Both
found jobs considered more important than military service. My
daughter teaches, my son is a engineer for the D.O.T.=20
ROTC saved me a tub full of money. I only needed to supply them with
pocket money.
=20
Clinton was highly intelligent and popular, and an excellent President.=
=20
No wonder the Republican Party hates him so. Look what they have to
offer:
=20
how could Clinton be highly intelligent ?
The moron didn't even know how to smoke pot.
--
Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a=20
diet of static text and
cascading "threads."
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| User: "Tom S" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
28 Jan 2007 05:19:54 PM |
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In article <270120071724044538%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <u1inr21kf80o2gpang2nq2m32bv58obi54@4ax.com>, Robert
<robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:42:27 GMT, Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m>
wrote:
In article <260120072138402344%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <Jtzuh.17594$w91.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <250120072219459032%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <12rj41710ur4dc9@corp.supernews.com>, dstaples
<dstaples@livingston.net> wrote:
Or that real military hero, William Jefferson Clinton.
He received a high number. Lower, he would be drafted.
So tell us again why he bothered to get a ROTC appointment that he gave
up once he was safely in England ?
He wasn¹t ³safely in England.² He could have been drafted like anyone
else. As for giving up an ROTC appointment, he never joined the ROTC,
instead enrolling in the draft.
<snip>
At the time Clinton went to college, ROTC was mandatory at many
universities and colleges for the first two years. If you were
interested in getting a commission, then you had to apply for
admission to the advanced ROTC program. Then you took a battery of
qualifying tests and physical exams. Your scores were compiled and
ranked with everyone else who had applied that year and the ones on
the top of the list were admitted to the program. The advanced
program was accepted as satisfying part of your elective requirement
in some schools and not in others.
I know. I went to college during the same timeframe as Clinton.
Tom S.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
28 Jan 2007 02:01:01 PM |
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In article <ww5vh.19800$X72.5290@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
how could Clinton be highly intelligent ?
perhaps they compared him to people like you? that would certainly
make him appear to be a genius.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
28 Jan 2007 02:10:00 PM |
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In article <ww5vh.19800$X72.5290@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
Being an Officer in the U.S. Army means you?re a leader, a counselor,
a strategist and a motivator. It's similar to being a vital manager in
a corporation. As an Officer, you will lead other Soldiers in all
situations and adjust in environments that are always changing. They
are driven to achieve success with their team on every mission.
Army ROTC is one of the Nation?s top leadership programs, with many
benefits to joining. Through Army ROTC you can:
Get help with your college tuition with an Army ROTC scholarship
Gain experience you can't find anywhere else
Gain the respect of your peers and future employers
Train to become a leader and manager
Clinton was not from a wealthy family, it's a wonder he did not sign
up.
My son joined ROTC in high school, then won a appointment to the Air
Force Academy. My daughter also was in ROTC, and went to U.S.Coast
Guard Academy.
Both were commissioned officers, neither ever saw service. Both
found jobs considered more important than military service. My
daughter teaches, my son is a engineer for the D.O.T.
ROTC saved me a tub full of money. I only needed to supply them with
pocket money.
Clinton was highly intelligent and popular, and an excellent President.
No wonder the Republican Party hates him so. Look what they have to
offer:
how could Clinton be highly intelligent ?
The moron didn't even know how to smoke pot.
We¹ll leave the drug expertise to you.
You Republican types just object to anyone with an IQ over 90 being
presidents. See G. W. Bush.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqlZgpFWGUw>
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| User: "Tankfixer" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
28 Jan 2007 08:41:08 PM |
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In article <280120071210000570%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,=20
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <ww5vh.19800$X72.5290@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
=20
Being an Officer in the U.S. Army means you?re a leader, a counselo=
r,
a strategist and a motivator. It's similar to being a vital manager=
in
a corporation. As an Officer, you will lead other Soldiers in all
situations and adjust in environments that are always changing. The=
y
are driven to achieve success with their team on every mission.=20
=20
=20
Army ROTC is one of the Nation?s top leadership programs, with many
benefits to joining. Through Army ROTC you can:=20
=20
Get help with your college tuition with an Army ROTC scholarship=20
Gain experience you can't find anywhere else=20
Gain the respect of your peers and future employers=20
Train to become a leader and manager=20
=20
Clinton was not from a wealthy family, it's a wonder he did not s=
ign
up.=20
My son joined ROTC in high school, then won a appointment to the =
Air
Force Academy. My daughter also was in ROTC, and went to U.S.Coast
Guard Academy.=20
Both were commissioned officers, neither ever saw service. Both
found jobs considered more important than military service. My
daughter teaches, my son is a engineer for the D.O.T.=20
ROTC saved me a tub full of money. I only needed to supply them w=
ith
pocket money.
=20
Clinton was highly intelligent and popular, and an excellent Presiden=
t.=20
No wonder the Republican Party hates him so. Look what they have to
offer:
=20
=20
how could Clinton be highly intelligent ?
The moron didn't even know how to smoke pot.
=20
We=B9ll leave the drug expertise to you.
=20
You Republican types just object to anyone with an IQ over 90 being
presidents. See G. W. Bush. =20
=20
He was certianly smarter than th elaternative last election...
--
Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a=20
diet of static text and
cascading "threads."
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Still In Denial |
28 Jan 2007 09:00:12 PM |
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In article <89dvh.16324$yx6.3650@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
In article <280120071210000570%dwbarnes@barnsco.com>,
dwbarnes@barnsco.com mumbled
In article <ww5vh.19800$X72.5290@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Tankfixer <paul.carrier@us.army.m> wrote:
Being an Officer in the U.S. Army means you?re a leader, a counselor,
a strategist and a motivator. It's similar to being a vital manager in
a corporation. As an Officer, you will lead other Soldiers in all
situations and adjust in environments that are always changing. They
are driven to achieve success with their team on every mission.
Army ROTC is one of the Nation?s top leadership programs, with many
benefits to joining. Through Army ROTC you can:
Get help with your college tuition with an Army ROTC scholarship
Gain experience you can't find anywhere else
Gain the respect of your peers and future employers
Train to become a leader and manager
Clinton was not from a wealthy family, it's a wonder he did not sign
up.
My son joined ROTC in high school, then won a appointment to the Air
Force Academy. My daughter also was in ROTC, and went to U.S.Coast
Guard Academy.
Both were commissioned officers, neither ever saw service. Both
found jobs considered more important than military service. My
daughter teaches, my son is a engineer for the D.O.T.
ROTC saved me a tub full of money. I only needed to supply them with
pocket money.
Clinton was highly intelligent and popular, and an excellent President.
No wonder the Republican Party hates him so. Look what they have to
offer:
how could Clinton be highly intelligent ?
The moron didn't even know how to smoke pot.
We¹ll leave the drug expertise to you.
You Republican types just object to anyone with an IQ over 90 being
presidents. See G. W. Bush.
He was certianly smarter than th elaternative last election...
He wasn¹t smarter than his dog last election.
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