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"Craig Chilton" |
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03 Dec 2005 10:37:47 AM |
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Straights can change if they want. |
Straights can change if they want.
But they don't want to change, any more than gays do.
Expecting anyone to change his/her sexual orientation
would be as bone-stupid as it would be to expect a left-handed
person to become a right-hander, or vice-versa.
Most gays know that. So do most straights.
And then... there are those dumber-than-dead-rock RRR cultists.
Take the average IQ of all RRR cult lemmings, and I'd be
willing to bet that it's between 70 and 85, And they certainly keep
right on providing all the evidence that we need in order to think so.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
06 Dec 2005 07:45:19 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:45:08 -0500,
"Bill K." <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote:
It looks like Chilton abandoned (i.e., ran off with his tail between his
legs) his own thread. I could be wrong, though - maybe he's still
canvassing all his friends re: the "test", but I can't imagine that taking
very long.
Wrong again!! I was working on it piecemeal over the last couple
of days, and only had a handful of paragraphs to go on it when you
posted this silly whine. It's already up.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
06 Dec 2005 08:41:44 PM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
It's already up.
Careful. You might get him slobbering so much that he starts to foam.
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"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
06 Dec 2005 07:42:50 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:18:24 -0500,
Bill K. <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
Straights can change if they want.
You homophiles...
HONEST Translation: "You sensible and fair-minded egalitarians"...
...and homosexuals have been DEMANDING this for years!
Lying bullcrap.
http://www.endhomophobia.org/homophobia.htm
I think your tactics might be more effective in a forum like talk radio
where you can shout down your opponents when it appears that an
uncomfortable truth is about to be uttered.
In this case, your eruption is laughable, because the rest of us know
(although some won't admit it) that what I said is exactly the OPPOSITE
of "Lying bullcrap".
ANY whine that supports mindless discrimination against gays, simply
because they happen to have sex in private a little bit differently, IS
lying bullcrap. VACUOUS lying bullcrap!
The ONLY thing that the gay community has been demanding is
for the **ignorant** element within our society that seeks to discrim-
against them over something as TRIVIAL as how a person chooses
to enjoy sex IN PRIVATE with consenting partners... grows a collective
brain. ...
What the heck are you talking about? You are not hindered in any
way, I'm SURE, in how, or with whom, you indulge your sexual lusts.
As a **straight** person. I'm certainly not. But gays don't in any way
deserve to be discriminated against for basically the SAME thing. RRR
cultists are total hypocrites!
If you're talking about same-sex "marriage", ...
I'm not. I'm talking about same-se marriage. NO quotation marks.
REAL same-sex marriage, as it exists in Massachusetts, Canada, and
some of the countries of Europe.
You aren't discriminated against because of your sexual preferences.
Just because *I'm* not doesn't mean that the *gays* should be.
(Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, obviously.)
It's because your "partnership" doesn't fit the definition, nor the
purpose, of marriage.
I'm single, but back when I was married, and having 3 kids (now all
fair-minded and UN-bigoted adults, thankfully) my partnership fit the
definition of marriage just as much as does those of legally-married gays.
... Which would mean that society's bigots would OUTGROW
their immature and arrested-development intolerances...
What are you talking about if NOT what you call "homophobia"?
First, you call me a liar, then prove that I'm not. That makes YOU the
liar.
You are one VERY mixed-up puppy! Hell, you're probably dumb
enough to think I'm gay, even though I'm one of mere than 100 million
straight ALLIES of the gays in their quest for EQUAL rights. We actually
outnumber the gays, themselves, by a ratio of 9-1.
...and join society's sensible egalitarians who already are
intelligent enough to regard sexual orientation to be as much of a
NON-issue as handedness and eye color.
Besides being bigots, homophobes universally are incredible
BUSYBODIES. Common denominator. A person must be a busy-
body just to BE a homophobe/RRR Cult lemming/Anti-Choicer.
It's the primary prerequisite. Right up there with abject stupidity.
Keep stuffing that foot farther and farther down your throat.
Someone here is doing that. And you just did it *again*. Prove that
anything I just said isn't 100% TRUE.
What you call "homophobia" is actually a major component
of OUR "sexual orientation".
Wrong. I'm straight,and it isn't even REMOTELY associated
with my sexual orientation.
Really? Then take this test:
Go to your closest male friend, and ask if he'd allow you to put
his penis in your mouth. If he refuses, go to your second closest
friend. Keep going until you find one that agrees.
When you've found that "special" friend, DO it! Put his penis
in your mouth and make him ejaculate.
If you passed this test, I'll agree that you aren't "afflicted" with
"homophobia". You also aren't "straight".
[[[ READERS: Have you ever run across an RRR cultist that
is more abjectly stupid and DENSE as *this* one? LOL!! ]]]
Nor that of over 100 million *other* NON-bigoted straights in
America. What it IS, clearly, is a mental deficiency that afflicts
bigots, and CAUSES them to be prone to mindless bigotry.
In fact, "homophobia" is what keeps heteros from dabbling in
homosexuality...
Wrong again. Heterosexuals are no more interested in homosex-
uality than gays are interested in being heterosexual, ...
Answer again after you've taken the test above.
Your "test" simply reveals YOU to be a **joke**. (LOL!!!!)
...with the exception of bisexuals. People are born with their
sexual orientations.
No factual basis. In fact, Kinsey's findings seem to lend support to
the opposite view.
Kinsey was exposed over a decade ago as a total QUACK.
(So it's no surprise to me that you're citing him.)
He based a lot of his study on men in prison, and came up with that
oft-quoted "statistic" of 10% being homosexual. But all other studies
of the general population come up with much lower numbers.
Most sensible people who've examined the various studies have
concluded that it's very close to 5%. And that would FIFTEEN MILLION
Americans. A very significant number of people... as in, double the
population of New York City.
We can thus draw two possible conclusions from the disparity:
1. Homosexual men are more likely to be criminals, AND/OR
2. Men can BECOME homosexual in an all-male "society" such as a prison.
Logic was never your long suit, was it?
...especially those, like the [fair-minded and egalitarian Pro-Choicers],
who see sex as nothing more than a means of deriving personal
pleasure.
Nearly all people who are intelligent and sensible enough to defend
the right of gays to EQUAL rights with straights, ...
They already have equal rights with "straights". Any homosexual male is
legally free to marry any of-age, homosexual or heterosexual (etc.) person
of the opposite sex who agrees to marry him or her.
And SOON will be able to marry their partner of choice, regardless of
gender. THAT will be truly equal rights. And they already have that right
in the above-mentioned places.
... ALSO are sensible and intelligent enough to have and want
absolutely NOTHING to do with a loathsome and sociopathic agenda
that seeks to impose IMMENSE hardship upon no fewer than tens of
MILLIONS of women by FORCING childbirth upon them. AGAINST
their will.
I didn't realize rape was so prevalent.
I was VERY prevalent before Roe vs. Wade, when entire STATES
were unconscionably imposing a 9-month-long form of forcible rape
upon millions of women
The only people FORCING pregnancy (and therefore what follows it)
on women are rapists.
True. But i'm talking about forced GESTATION.
This isn't a discussion analogous to driving a car. It's a discussion
of the remedies that are accessible after an **accident** occurs.
If you're mistakenly talking about anti-abortionists, ...
No mistake. Anti-Choicers or Anti-abortionists: SAME low-life losers
and sociopaths.
... be advised that we believe pregnancy should only occur through
a woman's choice of actions. If they don't want children, they can
freely CHOOSE to refrain from activity that creates them.
Or they can CURE the condition *before* any child EXISTS. That's
where the hugely-valuable REMEDY of abortion comes in.
Resulting in the DENIAL of their rights... their RELEGATION to
second-class-citizen status... their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to
mere, NON-sentient, Stage 2, 3, and 4 reproductive-process entities
which are, in all important ways, equivalent to the Stage 1 entities
that you so *hypocritically* do NOT "defend"-- which *also* are
human, unique, alive, and comprise a stage of development without
which NO births would occur. UNwanted entities which the WOMEN
very sensibly, under their circumstances, often...
...selfishly and mistakenly...
No. Sensibly and realistically, when there's no interest in continuing
the unwanted pregnancy. It's called self-defense.
...regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of that hardship
would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both short-term
and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and the DESTRUC-
TION of countless of their opportunities.
So if you are Anti-Choice, that comes as no surprise. Homophobes...
There you go again - proving MY point!
What color is the sky on YOUR planet?
...usually are. Ignorance on one social issue goes right along with
ignorance on others, for those fools who are RRR Cult lemmings.
In actuality, SENSIBLE people
How would YOU know?
Your asking that question is PROOFG of your abject ignorance.
...know that sex is good for THREE things, all of which are
equally worthwhile, depending upon the circumstances at the time:
1. Procreation
2. Recreation (and the world's greatest form of it!
3. Sharing love with a beloved casual-sex partner spouse.
It's also "good" for spreading sexually transmitted diseases, especially
with #2 and #3.
Ever heard of Safe Sex. It WORKS very well, when practiced well.
Look at Hugh Hefner. He's probably has had more than 10,000
partners, and he's about 80 now, and going strong! (Talk about having
it made!!!)
When sex is so reduced, ....
LOL!!!! "Reduced." You have the party line of the RRR Cult
down pat. don't you. Hook, line, sinker...
Which you can't seem to refute, so you resort to ridicule. Typical!
I've refute EVERY tenet of the RRR Cult's loathsome agendas more
often than I can count... for years. They have absolutely NOTHING
going for them but word-games, lies, propaganda, vacuous rhetoric,
and deceptions. NO FACTS. For example, NO Anti-Choicer has *ever*
been able to disprove ANY of the facts presented in the outline in the
sig of this post, even though I've challenged them to try to do that for
five years, now. It can't be done. Facts are FACTS, and NO fact
supports the anti-abortion or anti-gay agendas of the ludicrous and
hateful RRR Cult.
there's no reason the desired pleasure can't be gained from
homosexual contact -- except for that "homophobia" which gets
in the way.
100% wrong!! The orientation that a person is BORN with is
that which gets in the way.
Now you're contradicting the premise of this THREAD!
The subject header was a tongue-in-cheek spoof of one of a
different thread which inanely was serious when it suggested that
gays can change. (But I'll bet you knew that.)
I have absolutely NO desire whatsoever to have anything
to do, sexually, with another male. My interest in that is zip. Zero.
Nada. Non-existent. And that's pretty much true of ALL
straight males.
It's also pretty much true that it's MORE than a mere lack of interest,
which you can prove to yourself by taking the "test" I stated above.
Throughout all of my life, for as far back as I can remember, I have
very PROPERLY regard bigoted and busybodyish people as the scum
of the earth. Especially those who denigrate and discriminate against
other people and groups over mere and harmless TRIVIALITIES. Such
as skin color, sexual orientation, and the right of ALL girls and women
who choose it to have EASY and unimpeded private access to the
remedy of abortion. (Which means that I've spent more than 40 years
opposing VERY ignorant and moronic DOLTS.)
So if you think that the only thing getting in the way of same-sex
sexual activity is homophobia, you probably are a latent BIsexual.
Boy, that fell flat.
LOL!!!!! You **wish!!** Since ---
Otherwise, you'd feel about same-sex relationships the same way
that I, and MOST heterosexuals, do.
What the homosexual agenda...
Tell me... was Civil Rights Movement I, in which people who
were being discriminated-against over the TRIVIALITY of skin
color, an "agenda." Well -- *neither* is Civil Rights Movement II.
Grow up!
First, you have to prove that your "civil rights" are being violated,
and as I've demonstrated above, they aren't.
RORFL!! Since I'm straight, you've actually made a correct state-
ment for once. Were not talking about MY rights. But an egalitarian
doesn't have to be the one being discriminated-against to act as an
egalitarian. Millions of white Americans sided with the blacks 40+
years ago during Civil Rights Movement I, and **nine times** the
number of gays in America are straight ALLIES of the gays in Civil
Rights Movement II.
...strives for, in part, is the elimination of "homophobia" so that
more heteros will join their ranks.
Bullcrap!!! No more than blacks wanted whites to become black.
Calling it "Bullcrap" doesn't make it so. Blacks have no reason to
want whites to become black, but homosexuals DO have a reason
to want more homosexuals -- more potential partners, and considering
the promiscuity so prevalent in the homosexual community, it's a BIG
reason.
You are TRULY delusional!! There are FIFTEEN MILLION gays in
this country. Thus, NO shortage of prospective partners for those of them
who are sexually-active.
Gays have suffered unconscionable intolerance, discrimination,
hatefulness, and bigotry at the hands of such people as you. They
want only THREE things to come from Civil Rights II ---
1. Across-the-board EQUAL rights.
They already have them.
Wrong.
A. Landlords can still get away with turning them away for NO
good reason when a gay couple seeks to rent.
B. Employers can still get away with not hiring, or firing a
person over the no-business-of-theirs TRIVIALITY of
he/she being gay.
C. Gays still can't legally marry their same-sex partners in 49
of our 50 states, even though NOTHING in the Constitution
would prevent that.
2. Universal consciousness-raising to the recognition that sexual
orientation is INDEED a NON-issue, and that whining about
the way people have sex **in private** is LUDICROUS.
Legally, this already IS a "non-issue".
True!! The RRR Cult should have thrown in the towel 2 years
ago after the U.S. Supreme Court chucked the government OUT
of people's bedrooms!
3. After which society puts it out of its mind, and couldn't care
a whit about that any more than it cares about eye color.
In other words, you want to rid the world of "homophobia".
That would be evidence of a world that had grown up!
But at the top of this post, when I said this very same thing,
you called it "Lying bullcrap".
That which was lying bullcrap on your part was your claim that
homosexuals have been *demanding* that heterosexuals change
into homosexuals. And that WAS lying bullcrap.
Civil Rights II isn't ACTION. Had there been NO bigotry and
intolerance in the first place, there;s have been no need for it.
Civil Rights II is a REACTION to abject stupidity and sociopathic
hatefulness, and the ignorance that enables such people as the
RRR Cult's leaders to prolong it... by *targeting* those having low
IQs with their incessant and lying propaganda.
At bottom, there is a REAL enemy: The RRR Cult.
America's home-grown version of the Taliban.
The squeaky-wheel hate-filled 5% of America's population.
RRR Cult : Society :: 5% arsenic : glass of drinking water.
Americas **internal** terrorists. The their target is valuable
individual liberties of hundreds of millions of women and gays.
(They've got a lot of support for this from the population control
[advocates], which explains why [Peo-Choicers] almost to a "man"...
...and to a "woman"...
...support...
...across-the-board EQUAL rights for ALL people... including
homosexuals.. Intelligently and sensibly.
But in theprocess, they're disproving what they claim as a basis
for [their quest for equal treatment] -- that homosexuality isn't a
choice.
It's NOT. Egalitarians are intelligent enough to know that.
And the right of women NOT to be FORCED to gestate-to-term
when they have no desire to... because that right enables women to
CHOOSE which option they want -- to gestate to term, or to access
the harmless and life-options-restoring **remedy** of abortion. Egali-
tarians are intelligent enough to know THAT too. (Unlike the
DOLTISH and hateful RRR Cultists.)
But they don't want to change, any more than gays do.
Expecting anyone to change his/her sexual orientation
would be as bone-stupid as it would be to expect a left-handed
person to become a right-hander, or vice-versa.
Most gays know that. So do most straights.
And then... there are those dumber-than-dead-rock RRR cultists.
Take the average IQ of all RRR cult lemmings, and I'd be
willing to bet that it's between 70 and 85, And they certainly keep
right on providing all the evidence that we need in order to think so.
-- Craig Chilton
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryos &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
07 Dec 2005 12:00:49 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:42:50 +0000, Craig Chilton wrote:
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Kinsey was exposed over a decade ago as a total QUACK.
(So it's no surprise to me that you're citing him.)
Gee, I wonder why Hollywood just made a big movie about a "quack" and made
him out to be a "saint"?
http://www.boston.com/movies/display?display=movie&id=7073
"...this Kinsey is a saint..."
<snip>
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
07 Dec 2005 01:21:02 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:00:49 -0500,
Bill K. <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
<snip>
Kinsey was exposed over a decade ago as a total QUACK.
(So it's no surprise to me that you're citing him.)
Gee, I wonder why Hollywood just made a big movie about a
"quack" and made him out to be a "saint"?
http://www.boston.com/movies/display?display=movie&id=7073
"...this Kinsey is a saint..."
So you're saying that Hollywood is always RIGHT about everything?
Pretty anomalous statement from an RRR Cult lemming!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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| User: "Bill K." |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
07 Dec 2005 04:07:47 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:21:02 +0000, Craig Chilton wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:00:49 -0500,
Bill K. <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
<snip>
Kinsey was exposed over a decade ago as a total QUACK.
(So it's no surprise to me that you're citing him.)
Gee, I wonder why Hollywood just made a big movie about a
"quack" and made him out to be a "saint"?
http://www.boston.com/movies/display?display=movie&id=7073
"...this Kinsey is a saint..."
So you're saying that Hollywood is always RIGHT about everything?
Certainly not, but you have an almost perfect record - of being WRONG.
For instance, you said Kinsey was "exposed over a decade ago as a total
QUACK." While he WAS so exposed, it was by those "RRR Cultists" whom you
claim lie about everything. Pretty much everyone on the left still views
Kinsey as an icon.
Pretty anomalous statement from an RRR Cult lemming!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
07 Dec 2005 06:55:07 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:07:47 -0500,
Bill K. <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_mchsi.com> wrote:
Bill K. <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
[ ... ]
Kinsey was exposed over a decade ago as a total QUACK.
(So it's no surprise to me that you're citing him.)
Gee, I wonder why Hollywood just made a big movie about a
"quack" and made him out to be a "saint"?
http://www.boston.com/movies/display?display=movie&id=7073
"...this Kinsey is a saint..."
So you're saying that Hollywood is always RIGHT about everything?
Certainly not, but you have an almost perfect record -- of being WRONG.
I'll wait while bated breath while you search through my 15,000 or so
posts in hopes of finding ANY example of that. Any mistakes I may have
made in any of those have NEVER, to the best of my knowledge and
recollection, ever been in connection with my discussions of social issues.
(On the other hand, when it comes to social issues, the RRR Cult is wrong
100% of the time. Making it and its lemmings VERY easy targets for
egalitarians to devastate. Like shooting the broadside of a huge dairy
barn with a howitzer from an offset of 4 inches.
For instance, you said Kinsey was "exposed over a decade ago as
a total QUACK." While he WAS so exposed, it was by those "RRR
Cultists" whom you claim lie about everything. Pretty much everyone
on the left still views Kinsey as an icon.
ONLY to the extent that he was a **hero** in the same way that
Hugh Hefner was, and continues to be... for EXTRICATING America
from the ludicrous notion that sex was "taboo."
However -- the fact is that Kinsey's research was very seriously
flawed, and that's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Making
him a very human enigma: a HERO... but not perfect.
Thus, sensible and intelligent people will -- UNlike the narrow-minded
and hateful RRR cultists -- always remember him for being both a hero,
and a hero somewhat by default, since he made mistakes in the process
of becoming one.
Pretty anomalous statement from an RRR Cult lemming!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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| User: "Bill K." |
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07 Dec 2005 11:54:59 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:42:50 +0000, Craig Chilton wrote:
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What the heck are you talking about? You are not hindered in any
way, I'm SURE, in how, or with whom, you indulge your sexual lusts.
As a **straight** person. I'm certainly not. But gays don't in any way
deserve to be discriminated against for basically the SAME thing. RRR
cultists are total hypocrites!
What I said is TRUE regardless of whether you're homosexual or
heterosexual. You've created so man "straw men", they've become a fire
hazard.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
07 Dec 2005 01:16:27 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:54:59 -0500,
Bill K. <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
[ ... ]
What the heck are you talking about? You are not hindered in any
way, I'm SURE, in how, or with whom, you indulge your sexual lusts.
As a **straight** person. I'm certainly not. But gays don't in any way
deserve to be discriminated against for basically the SAME thing. RRR
cultists are total hypocrites!
What I said is TRUE regardless of whether you're homosexual or
heterosexual.
The lengths to which you go in order to crawl out from under the
omelet you keep putting on your face is really entertaining to watch.
No wonder you're one of Usenet's biggest laughingstocks!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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| User: "Bill K." |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
07 Dec 2005 12:14:21 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:42:50 +0000, Craig Chilton wrote:
<snip>
Gays have suffered unconscionable intolerance, discrimination,
hatefulness, and bigotry at the hands of such people as you. They
want only THREE things to come from Civil Rights II ---
1. Across-the-board EQUAL rights.
They already have them.
Wrong.
A. Landlords can still get away with turning them away for NO
good reason when a gay couple seeks to rent.
Perhaps, but the landlords generally have it much easier turning away
prosective renters for being too young (whether legally adult or not),
having children, having pets, looking slovenly, or a whole host of
personal prejudices. Truth is, there is NO evidence that homosexuals
generally have a more difficult time finding housing.
B. Employers can still get away with not hiring, or firing a
person over the no-business-of-theirs TRIVIALITY of
he/she being gay.
Perhaps, but employers generally have it much easier turning away job
applicants for other reasons that have no bearing on future job
performance. Fact is, you have NO evidence that homosexuals generally have
difficulty finding work. In fact, homosexual-dominated businesses are MORE
likely to discriminate against 'straights' than non-homosexual-dominated
businesses are to discriminated against homosexuals. Most employers want
the best employees they can find, and they're not going to turn down a
good prospect because of "sexual orientation", at least until they've been
burned by a homosexual who plays the "sexual orientation" card to get
special treatment.
C. Gays still can't legally marry their same-sex partners in 49
of our 50 states, even though NOTHING in the Constitution
would prevent that.
But they ARE allowed to marry as marriage has always been defined. Nothing
stopped Jim McGreevy from marrying, and if he chooses another woman,
nothing will stop him from marrying her as long as he's divorced from his
first wife.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
03 Dec 2005 03:17:56 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:37:47 GMT, Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
wrote:
Straights can change if they want.
You mean like lust and wanting sex with various strangers.
Unfortunately, this post tribalism attribute is inherited.
The lusts of the flesh are an attribute of the fallen state.
Bandages are meant to conceal sores and fleshly wounds.
Modern science is trying to remove the bandages.
The Messiah did not have a first aid kit.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
03 Dec 2005 06:53:28 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 21:17:56 GMT,
Saint Zombie <no.email@truth.org> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Straights can change if they want.
[[[ READERS: **STUPIDITY** ALERT ---
"Saint Zombie replied to the above line... which was
my post's *first* line... ONLY. Thus missing the entire
point of my post, simply to rant with the INANE and
mindless idiocy below. (Thus, my post in its entirety
is restored after all that, to exemplify the difference
between the common sense that I presented, and
the stupidity that the anonymous coward, "Saint
Zombie" (... LOL!! What a *childish* alias! ) spewed. ]]]
You mean like lust and wanting sex with various strangers.
I hate to break this to you, but lust is commonly experienced
by pretty much ALL people with the exception of ones who are
comatose, and possibly eunuchs. Male and female, gay or str8,
pretty much all lustful and enjoying every minute of it.
Some hetero males are lucky enough to have had THOU-
SANDS of partners and suffering no "consequences." E.g.,
the legendary Hugh Hefner, who's around 80 now, and still
going strong! (He's gotta be frustrating no end to the prudish
morons of the RRR cult! Works great for me!!)
Average out, females have fewer casual partners than
males, over their lifetimes. Why? It's NOT for lack of sex
drive, we've learned only recently. They love sex just as much
as males do. But it's only been in very RECENT years that
our society has outgrown its moronic habit of being condemna-
tory and accusing of sexually-assertive girls and women.
TODAY -- thank heaven and **finally!!** -- they have pretty
much all said "Screw THAT!!" to such mindless sexism, and
are as likely to initiate meetings and sex as guys are. (And
ladies, don't believe for a **second** that we guys aren't loving
every bit of that!! It's FUN to be hit on by you, and we love it!
I hope that most of you enjoy it as much as we do, when *we*
do the pursuing.)
Take this statement from an article in the current issue
of *Cosmopolitan* (Dec. 2005):
"As completely liberated checks, *women*
today think nothing of vocalizing their sexual
needs." (Emphasis theirs.)
(From the article, "When He's Not that into Sex," p. 126.)
Unfortunately, this post tribalism attribute is inherited.
"UNfortunately?!?" ROTFL!!! BWAhahahahahahah!!!!
The lusts of the flesh are an attribute of the fallen state.
Wrong. they're aspects of very normal sexuality. VIVA lust!
Bandages are meant to conceal sores and fleshly wounds.
Modern science is trying to remove the bandages.
And as we all know, medicine is coming up with better and
better ways to make bandaging unnecessary. NONE of which
has anything to do with sexuality.
The Messiah did not have a first aid kit.
Or much of anything else in the way of material possessions,
according to D. James Kennedy in his sermon tonight (7 pm,
12-3-05, on TBN; will repeat tomorrow morning at 10 am, CST).
A very *refreshing* sermon which was Biblical, for a change...
instead of the bigoted rants and raves that *usually* emanate
from the lips of Kennedy -- one of the 8 primary leaders of the
oligarchical RRR Cult.
<Previous post fully RESTORED, below, in context> ---
Straights can change if they want.
But they don't want to change, any more than gays do.
Expecting anyone to change his/her sexual orientation
would be as bone-stupid as it would be to expect a left-handed
person to become a right-hander, or vice-versa.
Most gays know that. So do most straights.
And then... there are those dumber-than-dead-rock RRR cultists.
Take the average IQ of all RRR cult lemmings, and I'd be
willing to bet that it's between 70 and 85, And they certainly keep
right on providing all the evidence that we need in order to think so.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
04 Dec 2005 03:13:27 PM |
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Surely you are blind. You view the truth against homosexuality as filth and
the filth and evil of homosexuality as cleanliness. What a terrible tragedy!
Have you not understood how vile and filthy the act of homosexuality is? Do
you not perceive the need for personal hygiene? Wouldn't a hygienically
conscious male consider a female to be very filthy if her vagina was filled
with excrement and he got it and its stench on himself during the sexual
act? That is how filthy the act of homosexuality is, even when it is
performed by senators, congressmen, doctors, attorneys, newspaper editors,
teachers, celebrities and etc. Homosexuality is an extremely filthy act
regardless of who performs it.
Homosexuals also perform oral anal sex. That is even more unclean! By doing
so, they ingest human feces. Don't you understand how filthy human feces is?
It can carry all kinds of terrible diseases, including typhoid, cholera,
amoebic dysentery, the Aids virus, hepatitis A, worms, bacteria and bowel
inflictions. Who but nasty totally depraved maggots enjoy having colon or
anal sex even when they know they will get feces, its stench and bring its
diseases upon themselves!
Not only is the act of homosexuality physically filthy, but it is also
morally filthy. So why do you say that anyone who opposes homosexuality
speaks filth and you do not regard the act of homosexuality filth? Your
sympathy for homosexuality proves you to be a very filthy person.
The terrible immoral and physical uncleanliness of homosexuality makes it
the next moral crime to bestiality. If one does not have moral scruples
against committing the verminous unnatural act of homosexuality, he or she
will not scruple against the filthy and unnatural act of bestiality. This is
one of the things that make the act of homosexuality so vile and heinous.
When depraved humans get adjusted to practicing and receiving pleasure from
a particular level of depravity, they will not remain satisfied with the
degree of degraded pleasure they receive in that realm, but will begin to
lust for the pleasure that can be derived from the next level. For those who
derive sinful pleasure from the act of homosexuality, the next level is
bestiality (Leviticus 18:22-23). Homosexuals are not called "dogs" by God in
the Bible for nothing (Deuteronomy 23:18). Now you know the true origin of
Aids among mankind. It had its origin from homosexuals who had and continue
to have anal, genital and oral sex with animals. Now you understand one
reason God forbids fornication. The next time you get ready to have illicit
sex of whatever type, you might want to ask: "With whom or with what kind of
animal did this person last copulate with?"
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
04 Dec 2005 04:36:48 PM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:XZIkf.54$yD2.3244@news.uswest.net...
Surely you are blind.
No, and don't call him Shirley.
[snip homophobic rant]
[plonk]
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
04 Dec 2005 05:24:48 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 22:36:48 GMT, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<dk@suespammers.org> spake thusly:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:XZIkf.54$yD2.3244@news.uswest.net...
Surely you are blind.
No, and don't call him Shirley.
A hospital? Doctor what is it?!
It's a big square building with windows,
but that's not important right now.
[snip homophobic rant]
[plonk]
The obvious sign of one who couldn't deal with the
facts and tries to claim that everyone who doesn't
agree with him, is homophobic. But hey, the
liberals are loving and tolerant.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
04 Dec 2005 11:11:06 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 14:13:27 -0700,
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Straights can change if they want.
But they don't want to change, any more than gays do.
Expecting anyone to change his/her sexual orientation
would be as bone-stupid as it would be to expect a left-handed
person to become a right-hander, or vice-versa.
Most gays know that. So do most straights.
And then... there are those dumber-than-dead-rock RRR cultists.
Take the average IQ of all RRR cult lemmings, and I'd be
willing to bet that it's between 70 and 85, And they certainly keep
right on providing all the evidence that we need in order to think so.
Surely you are blind. You view the truth against homosexuality as
filth and the filth and evil of homosexuality as cleanliness. What a terrible
tragedy!
The ONLY difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals is
the gender of their consenting partners. Which is a TRIVIALTY on the
same scale as eye color, skin color, and handedness. Any person who
WHINES about that is a delusional bigot who is almost assuredly one
of the dimmest candles in the lamp shop. BUSYBODYISM is one of
the most**moronic** traits that anyone can possess. And the RRR
cultists have it as a common denominator.
"Evil." ROTFL!!!!
[[[ READERS: From this point on, I'll edit this post to filter out the
propaganda and outright lies. It'll be done honestly, so that
you know where. I don't REPEAT the hate-propaganda of bigots
for the, They ar free to pollute their own posts with such swill,
but any of it that I may choose to leave in will be so that I can
use it to make a point. ]]
Have you not understood [what the nature of the sex] act of homo-
sexuality is?
Of course. It is precisely as I stated above. And countless
*millions* of HETEROsexuals perform the very SAME sex acts as
part of their own repertoire. With impunity, while the **hypocritical**
RRR cultists look the other way about that and whistle a tune.
<Description of sex acts deleted. Irrelevant, for the reason stated above,
and deleted for the further reason that it qualifies as hate-propaganda.>
Not only is the act of homosexuality physically filthy, but it is also
morally filthy.
Your opinion. Big deal. Unless you happened to be homosexual,
and someone were hitting on your partner, the relationships of other
people (in this case, homosexual people) is absolutely NONE of your
business.
BUSYBODYISM is the common denominator of RRR Cult louts.
So why do you say that anyone who opposes homosexuality
speaks [bigotry] and you do not regard the act of homosexuality ... ?
Your sympathy for homosexuality proves you to be a very ...
FAIR-minded, sensible, intelligent and egalitarian (UNlike you)...
...person.
The terrible immoral and physical uncleanliness of homosexuality
makes it the next moral crime to bestiality.
I left THAT comment in there so that everyone can have a good
chuckle at your expense. (LOL!!!!)
If one does not have moral scruples against committing the
[sex] act of homosexuality, he or she will not scruple against ...
bestiality.
How do YOU know? And -- whenever OTHER people practice
bestiality, THAT is **also** NONE of your business, buttinsky.
It's all about your being bone-stupid with your whinings, for you
RRR Cult lemmings, isn't it? Why not take up something USEFUL
to occupy your time? For example -- since you obviously lack the
sensibility to be a defender of human/civil rights and personal liberties
against hateful bigots, maybe something like stamp collecting?
<Propaganda-flush. Archaic comments from the O.T. were referred
to -- from a dispensation long extinct and having no relevance to the
current one. The SAME sort of whinings could have as easily been
brought to bear against eating lobster, playing with Tarot Cards, and
wearing mixed fabrics. Ludicrous.>
Now you know the true origin of Aids...
That would be "AIDS." Learn what an acronym is.
...among mankind. It had its origin from...
....monkeys in Africa. Big harry deel.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
Puritanism (in modern times, the mindset of the RRR Cultists):
The haunting fear that someone, somewhere
may be happy.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Dec 2005 03:35:56 PM |
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Richard Dawkins <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote:
Surely you are blind. You view the truth against homosexuality as filth and
the filth and evil of homosexuality as cleanliness. What a terrible tragedy!
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar:
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he
love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we
from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 4:20-21
Have you not understood how vile and filthy the act of homosexuality is?
You offer only hate and hate does not come from God.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Cleopatra" |
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03 Dec 2005 11:01:14 AM |
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X-No-archive: yes
Let's try it another way:
Pedophiles can change if they want.
But they don't want to change, any more than gays do.
Expecting anyone to change his/her sexual orientation
would be as bone-stupid as it would be to expect a left-handed
person to become a right-hander, or vice-versa.
Most pedophiles know that. So do most straights.
And then... there are those dumber-than-dead-rock felching faggots.
Cleopatra
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Straights can change if they want. |
03 Dec 2005 01:51:08 PM |
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On 3 Dec 2005 09:01:14 -0800,
"Cleopatra" wrote:
Craig Chilton wrote:
=== Cowardly anti-archiving CRAP flushed ===
Let's try it another way:
Pedophiles can change if they want.
But they don't want to change, any more than gays do.
Expecting anyone to change his/her sexual orientation
would be as bone-stupid as it would be to expect a left-handed
person to become a right-hander, or vice-versa.
Most pedophiles know that. So do most straights.
Apples-and-oranges.
Nice try, bigot. NO cigar.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
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