<rc022586@reinhardt.edu> wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

rc022...@reinhardt.edu wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

rc022586@reinhardt.edu wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

Attila wrote:

On 30 Nov 2005 05:58:14 -0800,

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

Study, Abortion Does NOT Lead to Depression (Another GOP Lie)

==============

The aborted baby does not suffer depression because the aborted baby is
dead via murder.

Not if you are speaking English and talking about anywhere abortion is
legal. Murder requires an illegal component. Without this illegal
component an act can no more be murder than a hamburger can be a
hamburger without meat or a cow be a cow without four legs and bovine
DNA.

It is impossible for a legal act to be illegal

=========

When God says that something is illegal, man's saying that it is legal
is irrelevant.

Wrong. Why should I be subject to the dictates of a religion that I do
not follow. What your deity claims has no relevance on anyone that
does not follow your beliefs. However, the laws of the government that
a person lives under are always relevent no matter what religion the
person follows.

Yet, you want everyone to think that abortion is good and right because
you think so. Go figure.

Whether or not the abortion is the right thing to do is up to the
pregnant woman, not me. It is her life and her body, so her opinion on
the matter is the one that has the most weight. If the woman thinks
that abortion is good and right for her for this pregnancy, then it is
good and right for her. However, if the woman thinks that it is not
good and right for her for this pregnancy, then it is wrong for her.

You expect everyone participating in this thread to think that women
having an abortion is a good thing because you think so.

Actually, what you and I think on the matter is not that important. It
is what the pregnant woman thinks, since she is the one that makes the
decision. I certainly think that forcing her to continue an unwanted
pregnancy is immoral, but since morals are opinions and nothing else, I
am not using "morals" as part of my argument and premise. Anti-choice
advocates, however, like to try to use "morals" as if they mattered to
anyone else as part of their argument in order to evoke emotions and
try to take the high ground without any relevant facts.

Alright, if morals are nothing but opinions and, therefore, don't
matter then why do people like you keep claiming such things as
bigotry, war and littering are immoral and their practioners should be
punlished to the fullest extent of the law?

Strawman.

Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

rc022586@reinhardt.edu wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

rc022...@reinhardt.edu wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

rc022586@reinhardt.edu wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

Attila wrote:

On 30 Nov 2005 05:58:14 -0800,

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****
wrote:

Study, Abortion Does NOT Lead to Depression (Another
GOP Lie)

==============

The aborted baby does not suffer depression because the
aborted baby is
dead via murder.

Not if you are speaking English and talking about anywhere
abortion is
legal. Murder requires an illegal component. Without this
illegal
component an act can no more be murder than a hamburger can
be a
hamburger without meat or a cow be a cow without four legs
and bovine
DNA.

It is impossible for a legal act to be illegal

=========

When God says that something is illegal, man's saying that it
is legal
is irrelevant.

Wrong. Why should I be subject to the dictates of a religion
that I do
not follow. What your deity claims has no relevance on anyone
that
does not follow your beliefs. However, the laws of the
government that
a person lives under are always relevent no matter what
religion the
person follows.

Yet, you want everyone to think that abortion is good and right
because
you think so. Go figure.

Whether or not the abortion is the right thing to do is up to the
pregnant woman, not me. It is her life and her body, so her
opinion on
the matter is the one that has the most weight. If the woman
thinks
that abortion is good and right for her for this pregnancy, then it
is
good and right for her. However, if the woman thinks that it is
not
good and right for her for this pregnancy, then it is wrong for
her.

You expect everyone participating in this thread to think that women
having an abortion is a good thing because you think so.

Actually, what you and I think on the matter is not that important. It
is what the pregnant woman thinks, since she is the one that makes the
decision. I certainly think that forcing her to continue an unwanted
pregnancy is immoral, but since morals are opinions and nothing else, I
am not using "morals" as part of my argument and premise. Anti-choice
advocates, however, like to try to use "morals" as if they mattered to
anyone else as part of their argument in order to evoke emotions and
try to take the high ground without any relevant facts.

Alright, if morals are nothing but opinions and, therefore, don't
matter then why do people like you keep claiming such things as
bigotry, war and littering are immoral and their practioners should be
punlished to the fullest extent of the law?

For starters, where have I been talking about things being "moral" or
"immoral" that was not in response to someone else bring up the subject
of morality? And I cannot speak for anyone else.

You can be a bigot all you want. However, if you have any sort of
power or provide any sort of services, you cannot act on that bigotry
to anyone's detriment, including exclusion of dealing with them.

The "morality of war" usually goes back to the opinions of people about
the reasons why one group or another went to war in the first place.
People defending against an aggressor, or helping those defenders, are
usually considered to be more "moral" than the aggressors, since the
aggressors are the ones that provoked the war or launched the first
attack.

Littering has a number of other environmental problems, but since it is
illegal, then people that do so should be charged and sentenced.

Who are you to tell me that I, as a landlord, have to let a black guy
live in my tenancy if I don't want to?

I, or rather he, is someone that can go to the police and file a civil
case against you for breaking the law, specifically the "Fair Housing
Act", I believe. The law states that you cannot refuse to sell or rent
property to a person based solely on his skin color, among other
things. Denying him an apartment is illegal if there is one available
and he meets all the other criteria that all tenants have to meet.

This comes from our country's ideal of equality.

So don't go
feeding me this trash about forcing morality on people when you do
the
same thing.

Not at all. You are trying to force others to do what you think is
right, and you do not care about their opinions, nor are you willing to
give them any options. I am advocating keeping the options open, so
that the woman that is pregnant can make the decision that she sees as
best for herself in her current situation for herself without any
interference. You are trying to force your morality on others, I let
people make their own decisions according to their own desires and
morals. There is the difference that you cannot see to grasp.

Oh ok. So it's all about the options is it? Because THEIR morals are
the only morals that matter.

With regards to THEIR bodies and what goes on inside of it and is done
to it, yes. Nobody else has the right to force them to continue an
unwanted pregnancy against their wills. Women are not servants or
slaves, despite what you might think.

Not their EQUAL husbands'.

Their husbands do not own their wives, no matter what you think.

Not anyone's.

Slavery is illegal. You cannot force another to suffer for your
benefit.

That makes a lot of sense. If you're stoned that is.

You would need to be stoned to accept your opinion that men should make
women their slaves. I see that you are incapable of understanding the
concept of EQUAL partners.

Mark Sebree

Perhaps you could explain why you think that you can command women
to
do what you want them to do, and force them to suffer because you
do
not respect them.

I never have seen you answer this request. Perhaps it is because you
cannot think of a reason that will not show your misogyny even more
than your previous posts have shown it.

Mark Sebree

Mark Sebree

[snip as not having been addressed for several posts]

rc022586@reinhardt.edu wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

rc022...@reinhardt.edu wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

rc022586@reinhardt.edu wrote:

Mark Sebree wrote:

Attila wrote:

On 30 Nov 2005 05:58:14 -0800,

Yang, AthD (h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting ***** wrote:

Study, Abortion Does NOT Lead to Depression (Another GOP Lie)

==============

The aborted baby does not suffer depression because the aborted baby is
dead via murder.

Not if you are speaking English and talking about anywhere abortion is
legal. Murder requires an illegal component. Without this illegal
component an act can no more be murder than a hamburger can be a
hamburger without meat or a cow be a cow without four legs and bovine
DNA.

It is impossible for a legal act to be illegal

=========

When God says that something is illegal, man's saying that it is legal
is irrelevant.

Wrong. Why should I be subject to the dictates of a religion that I do
not follow. What your deity claims has no relevance on anyone that
does not follow your beliefs. However, the laws of the government that
a person lives under are always relevent no matter what religion the
person follows.

Yet, you want everyone to think that abortion is good and right because
you think so. Go figure.

Whether or not the abortion is the right thing to do is up to the
pregnant woman, not me. It is her life and her body, so her opinion on
the matter is the one that has the most weight. If the woman thinks
that abortion is good and right for her for this pregnancy, then it is
good and right for her. However, if the woman thinks that it is not
good and right for her for this pregnancy, then it is wrong for her.

You expect everyone participating in this thread to think that women
having an abortion is a good thing because you think so.

Actually, what you and I think on the matter is not that important. It
is what the pregnant woman thinks, since she is the one that makes the
decision. I certainly think that forcing her to continue an unwanted
pregnancy is immoral, but since morals are opinions and nothing else, I
am not using "morals" as part of my argument and premise. Anti-choice
advocates, however, like to try to use "morals" as if they mattered to
anyone else as part of their argument in order to evoke emotions and
try to take the high ground without any relevant facts.

Alright, if morals are nothing but opinions and, therefore, don't
matter then why do people like you keep claiming such things as
bigotry, war and littering are immoral and their practioners should be
punlished to the fullest extent of the law?

For starters, where have I been talking about things being "moral" or
"immoral" that was not in response to someone else bring up the subject
of morality? And I cannot speak for anyone else.

You can be a bigot all you want. However, if you have any sort of
power or provide any sort of services, you cannot act on that bigotry
to anyone's detriment, including exclusion of dealing with them.

The "morality of war" usually goes back to the opinions of people about
the reasons why one group or another went to war in the first place.
People defending against an aggressor, or helping those defenders, are
usually considered to be more "moral" than the aggressors, since the
aggressors are the ones that provoked the war or launched the first
attack.

Littering has a number of other environmental problems, but since it is
illegal, then people that do so should be charged and sentenced.

Who are you to tell me that I, as a landlord, have to let a black guy
live in my tenancy if I don't want to?

I, or rather he, is someone that can go to the police and file a civil
case against you for breaking the law, specifically the "Fair Housing
Act", I believe. The law states that you cannot refuse to sell or rent
property to a person based solely on his skin color, among other
things. Denying him an apartment is illegal if there is one available
and he meets all the other criteria that all tenants have to meet.

This comes from our country's ideal of equality.

So don't go
feeding me this trash about forcing morality on people when you do the
same thing.

Not at all. You are trying to force others to do what you think is
right, and you do not care about their opinions, nor are you willing to
give them any options. I am advocating keeping the options open, so
that the woman that is pregnant can make the decision that she sees as
best for herself in her current situation for herself without any
interference. You are trying to force your morality on others, I let
people make their own decisions according to their own desires and
morals. There is the difference that you cannot see to grasp.

Oh ok. So it's all about the options is it? Because THEIR morals are
the only morals that matter.

With regards to THEIR bodies and what goes on inside of it and is done
to it, yes. Nobody else has the right to force them to continue an
unwanted pregnancy against their wills. Women are not servants or
slaves, despite what you might think.

Not their EQUAL husbands'.

Their husbands do not own their wives, no matter what you think.

Not anyone's.

Slavery is illegal. You cannot force another to suffer for your
benefit.

That makes a lot of sense. If you're stoned that is.

You would need to be stoned to accept your opinion that men should make
women their slaves. I see that you are incapable of understanding the
concept of EQUAL partners.

Mark Sebree

Perhaps you could explain why you think that you can command women to
do what you want them to do, and force them to suffer because you do
not respect them.

I never have seen you answer this request. Perhaps it is because you
cannot think of a reason that will not show your misogyny even more
than your previous posts have shown it.

Mark Sebree

Mark Sebree

[snip as not having been addressed for several posts]