Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton wrote:

"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 07:39:11 -0700,
--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twoFILTER@hotmail.com> wrote:

Vandar wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

"Ryd" <ryda56p@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig "the Brain" Chilton wrote:

Sometimes (but rarely), it occurs that a person who takes me on
over such an issue as this is actually a fair-minded ALLY with respect
to important social issues -- such as abortion rights for women, and
across-the-board **equal** rights for those who are gay. That's unfor-
tunate, when it happens, because I hate to indict (in debate) such an
ally. But that's usually no problem. Since people who stupidly defend
Bush usually are the same people who *oppose* those personal liberties.

FTR, I fully support a woman's right to choose the course of her
pregnancy, I fully support equal rights for all beings with human DNA
(including Bush), I think Bush is a terrible President, and I'm certain
that conquest is why we invaded Iraq - not oil, not protecting America,
and not WMDs. We invaded so we could gain a military foothold in the
heart of the most politically unstable area on the planet. We will take
root in Iraq and slowly expand outward, spreading *our* Democracy in
all directions until we run into an ally or an ocean. Iraq is but the
first step to what America has planned for that region. That's why Bush
can never tell the truth about the invasion. The American people would
never approve, and ignorant masses are much easier to control than
informed masses, so the people must remain ignorant.

Thanks for the compliment! I guarantee that I have
FAR more of a brain than just about ANYone moronic
enough to be a supporter of our murderous Warmonger-
in-Thief. Your compliment is accepted.

That would explain why you're on usenet and they're
running the country.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I do a hell of a lot more than
participating on Usenet. As a major city is about to learn on
its newspaper's front page this coming Monday.

It doesn't disappoint me to provide you an opportunity to
blow your own horn. You beam with pride and conceit.

ROTFL!!! I don't need to "blow my own horn," and while I'm not
conceited, per your inferiority-complex-driven lie about me, *you*
clearly are one very addled loser.

You also apparently have the need to insult others in order to
inflate your own ego.

I never indulge in "insults." Any terminology that I apply to any
person or group first must have been clearly EARNED by the writings
and/or actions of that person or group. And thus comprise **accurate
descriptors.** If you don't first earn it, you don't receive it.

So you feel everyone who disagrees with you, or simply points out your
obvious shortcomings, is a "very addled loser"?

I may have some shortcomings, but presenting the relevant FACTS
that indict repressive bigots on Usenet isn't among 'em. And people who
don't recognize THAT very obvious fact *are* addled losers. Since by
living in denial of the facts, while pursuing agendas that seek to deny
reasonable individual liberties to people, they are showing their
ignorance. And by supporting such agendas, they are losers by definition.

Do you feel repressed by my words? Do you wish to silence my dis-
senting opinion?

Since such sociopathic agendas *always* lose, as historical precedents
clearly show. In the USA, since 1865, here's the scorecard of such worth-
less and hateful agendas:

-- Slavery -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Women's Suffrage -- EXTINCT
-- Prohibition -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Birth-Control Pill -- EXTINCT
-- Segregation -- EXTINCT
-- Anti-Semitism -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
-- Anti-Choice (abortion) -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
-- Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST

Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct. As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction. Constant consciousness-
raising, as happened on a "Primetime Thursday" episode on ABC.
featuring Rosie O'Donnell, is very helpful. (MOST of the report-
ers and commentators in the MEDIA are INTELLIGENT... with
occasional exceptions, like George Will, who has a good IQ,
but wastes it on hyperconservatism.)

Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans OUTGROW movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.

And THAT is EXTINCTION.

How many times have you pasted that?

Sociopathic indeed.

As I said, you seem to have the need to insult others in order to
inflate your own ego.

LOL!!! This latest clear evidence of your abject ignorance is duly
noted.

Preach and insult, preach and insult. Thus proving my point.

You also seem to be unwilling to accept responsibility for it.

I stand behind ALL of the facts that I present, and my opinions
*based* on those facts, with my REAL name and e-mail address
(less the spam-deterring space). UNlike practically all of my oppo-
nents in here, who gutlessly lack the courage of one's convictions
that it takes to stand behind his/her words, instead of being craven
cowards who hide behind (usually-childish) aliases.

Is that the best you have? Who are these opponents you refer to,
and what makes them opponents?

He lacks a rich daddy and rich daddy's connections.
No brains required (obviously).

Yep. Without that accidental clout, his cronies, and his
THUGS, Bush would be a nobody.

Accidental clout? Can you be any more biased?

Not biased. Truthful. Ever heard of the book, "Fortunate Son" (?)
Bush Lite is nothing more than that. After that, it's all downhill, since
he's a PROVEN dishonest lout (his cronies and thugs that helped him
steal the White House in 2000; his mythical WMDs, etc., etc...) and
a murderous warmonger who's responsible for having killed around
100,000 innocent Iraqis.

He didn't steal the White House...

Yes, he did. See SIG.

...and he has murdered no one.

Paying a hit man to kill someone is murder. Bush did it,
"Abusive-Leader" (can you say Pol Pot?) -style. He turned our
military into a collection of hit men (and women) and ordered them to
murder around 100,000 innocent Iraqis -- to NO good purpose. After
he LIED to the American people and the world about nonexistent
WMDs.

He didn't order anyone to murder anyone, ever.

The world, and most Americans, know otherwise. The toll, to date, of
his hit-person-hiring is around 100,000 innocent Iraqis, and over 1,850
soldiers that he turned into hit-people in an undeclared and dishonest
"war." (Spelled, "vendetta.") He's the worst mass-murder the world has
seen since Pol Pot, and is totally without excuse.

Uh huh. You do realize that you are calling every single American
soldier in combat a failure and a criminal, don't you?

But *you* would make a good OSTRICH.

Meanwhile, you still have no idea whatsoever why we are in Iraq.

You now know that America did not invade Iraq because of WMDs,
or to liberate it's people, or to protect America. You still do not know the
reason that America did invade Iraq, but you claim that the reasons
(which you still do not know) aren't valid. That's your bias.

And I suppose that "all-knowing *you*" DO know the "real" reasons?

And he's so callous, he doesn't even give a rat's ***** that over
1,850 of his hit people have been killed in the process. As evidenced
by the fact that he's KEEPING them there, to be slaughtered, one-by-
one, and in clusters, by Iraqi patriots.

Of course he cares. Whether you can admit or not, George Bush is
just as human and American as you and I.

ROTFL!!!!! Talk about being **delusional**!! The only thing human
about Bush is his DNA code.

Is there any other criteria?

And he's America's greatest DISGRACE.

An American nonetheless. My statement stands.

To the world, America is a ludicrous laughingstock. And he's
the primary reason for that.

Anyone with any knowledge of American politics understands that
there is often a big difference between the President and the people.

You think that keeping soldiers in the theater is a sign that the
leaders don't care about the deaths? Do you think America should
have left France to the Germans?

If Hitler hadn't been so DUMB as to declare war on us after we
declared war on Japan, following Pearl Harbor, we *might* have.

He thought Japan was going to help him take Russia. With Roosevelt
aching for a war, that was a big mistake.

Hitler was under no obligation to do that, and breaking promises was
habitual with him in any case.

So sometimes the world gets really lucky.

In the case of Iraq, everyone got UNlucky, thanks to our
Warmonger-in-Thief.

You're a bastion of truth.

FAR more so than anyone of *your* ilk, obviously.

You don't even know what my ilk is. Again you demonstrate that
in the absence of knowledge about those who disagree with you,
or their reasons for doing so, your first and only reaction is to label
them and then ridicule the label.

Sometimes (but rarely), it occurs that a person who takes me on
over such an issue as this is actually a fair-minded ALLY with respect
to important social issues -- such as abortion rights for women, and
across-the-board **equal** rights for those who are gay. That's unfor-
tunate, when it happens, because I hate to indict (in debate) such an
ally. But that's usually no problem. Since people who stupidly defend
Bush usually are the same people who *oppose* those personal liberties.

FTR, I fully support a woman's right to choose the course of her
pregnancy, I fully support equal rights for all beings with human DNA
(including Bush), I think Bush is a terrible President, and I'm certain
that conquest is why we invaded Iraq - not oil, not protecting America,
and not WMDs. We invaded so we could gain a military foothold in the
heart of the most politically unstable area on the planet. We will take
root in Iraq and slowly expand outward, spreading *our* Democracy in
all directions until we run into an ally or an ocean. Iraq is but the first
step to what America has planned for that region. That's why Bush
can never tell the truth about the invasion. The American people would
never approve, and ignorant masses are much easier to control than
informed masses, so the people must remain ignorant.

I question whether the next administration will continue that path.
I don't think it's party dependent.

Other than someone who disagrees with you placing yourself on
some sort of moral throne that everyone should bow before, lest they
face derision, what is my ilk?

See above. And even though the arguments I present in Usenet
are frequently quite detailed, the "moral throne" upon which they rest is
the common denominator most often referred to as "The Golden Rule."

lol! ok, so you have a golden throne. Does it have "Kohler" written on
it anywhere?

As Helen Thomas so astutely observed, that murderous dolt
os the WORST president America's ever had.

He may very well be, but he's still President and you're still
preaching on usenet.

And in a little over 3 years from now, he'll be a has-been murderer
and dishonored liar. And as a book publisher and more, I'll still be
influential in many ways, of which my presence in Usenet is by far
the most minor.

He'll be an ex-President, and you'll still be on usenet.

Emphasis on the prefix, "EX."

Emphasize whatever portion of it you need to in order to stroke your
ego.

My, you really DO have an inferiority complex, don't you? You really
need to start building some self-esteem. Perhaps you could start by
crawling out from behind your alias.

Feeling a bit defensive, are we?

No inferiority complex here, sorry.

And I will still be doing everything that I'm doing now -- including
Usenet -- with equal energy and effectiveness.

Exactly my point. You will not improve, you will merely continue.

LOL!!! You don't know *diddly* about that which I accomplish,
or the plans I have in the works.

You're an author who gives seminars.

As for what you have in the works, I'd guess a book or a speech.
Maybe a rally, depending your level of extremism.

You'd be funnier than hell, if you just weren't so darned pathetic.
(You and "Sneechres" must be in competition, when it comes to that.)

What do you know about me other than what I am telling you in this
this post? The only thing you ever knew about me prior to this was that
I disagree with your reason for disliking the President and that I
believe you have a very inflated view of yourself.