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"papa jack" |
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13 Oct 2004 04:40:26 PM |
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Supreme Court Replacement: Conservative v Liberal |
Gallup Polls conducted a survey May 30 - Jun 1, 2003. Among
the questions, they asked respondents about their preferences
for the next replacement on the Supreme Court.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=4732
Supreme Court:Conservative v Liberal
"Suppose one of the U.S. Supreme Court Justices retires
at the end of this term. Would you like the person nomi-
nated to fill that vacancy on the Supreme Court to have
political views that are – [ROTATED: very conservative,
somewhat conservative, somewhat liberal, (or) very liberal]?
Very Somewhat Somewhat Very No
conservative conservative liberal liberal opinion
------------ ------------ -------- ------- -------
15% 42% 29% 9% 5%
Please note that 57% of those polled stated a preference for
either a "very" or "somewhat" conservative -- compared to 38%
who prefered a "very" or "somewhat" liberal.
57%
-38%
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19% majority want conservative
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: Supreme Court Replacement: Conservative v Liberal |
13 Oct 2004 06:45:15 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2004 14:40:26 -0700,
"Pap Jack" <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Gallup Polls conducted a survey May 30 - Jun 1, 2003.
Among the questions, they asked respondents about their
preferences for the next replacement on the Supreme Court.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=4732
Supreme Court: Conservative vs. Liberal
"Suppose one of the U.S. Supreme Court Justices retires
at the end of this term. Would you like the person nomi-
nated to fill that vacancy on the Supreme Court to have
political views that are -- [ROTATED: very conservative,
somewhat conservative, somewhat liberal, (or) very liberal]?
Very Somewhat Somewhat Very No
conservative conservative liberal liberal opinion
------------ ------------ --------- ------ -------
15% 42% 29% 9% 5%
Please note that 57% of those polled stated a preference for
either a "very" or "somewhat" conservative -- compared to 38%
who prefered a "very" or "somewhat" liberal.
Look, PJ, keep in mind that this question was asked of a populace
for which it has been determined and documented that almost 30% of its
college-age (i.e., 18-24) people can't even identify the PACIFIC OCEAN
on a map!
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/highlights.html
Now before you say "apples-and-oranges" to that, keep that level
of abysmal ignorance in mind when considering just how many people
who are THAT ignorant were likely to have equated "liberal" and
"conservative" with FISCAL stances, as in the hackneyed old (and
therefore commonly associated-with) "tax-and-spend liberals" saw.
I wouldn't bet a plugged nickel against the likelihood that a very
*significant* percentage people who shied away from choosing
"liberal" did so from THAT standpoint, and NOT from the standpoint
that is the only one that really has any relevance to Supreme Court
Justices: the way they stand with regard to so-called "moral" issues
pertaining to individual liberties.
I would LOVE to see how those percentages came up if people
had been asked THIS question, instead:
"Suppose one of the U.S. Supreme Court Justices retires
at the end of this term. Would you like the person nomi-
nated to fill that vacancy on the Supreme Court to have
views such that, when dealing with the individual liberties of
Americans, personal freedoms usually would be -- [ROTATED]:
Strongly Favored/Defended, Somewhat Favored/Defended,
Somewhat Ignored or Opposed, (or) Strongly Disregarded/
Opposed?"
That would be a *very* honest question to ask. MORE, and
far more to the point that Gallup no doubt had *thought* they were
asking, before being blindsided by Americans' propensity to have
two wide-ranging and substantial, very distinct and different ways
to regard the terms "liberal" and "conservative." I.e. with the
adjectives, "social" or "fiscal" modifying them.
As it is, the data was unquestionably contaminated irreparably --
beyond the capability of any possible attempt desire to salvage
them -- by that dichotomy in the perception of the terminology that
comprised the polling criteria.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Supreme Court Replacement: Conservative v Liberal |
13 Oct 2004 09:34:22 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2004 14:40:26 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
Gallup Polls conducted a survey May 30 - Jun 1, 2003. Among
the questions, they asked respondents about their preferences
for the next replacement on the Supreme Court.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=4732
Supreme Court:Conservative v Liberal
"Suppose one of the U.S. Supreme Court Justices retires
at the end of this term. Would you like the person nomi-
nated to fill that vacancy on the Supreme Court to have
political views that are – [ROTATED: very conservative,
somewhat conservative, somewhat liberal, (or) very liberal]?
Very Somewhat Somewhat Very No
conservative conservative liberal liberal opinion
------------ ------------ -------- ------- -------
15% 42% 29% 9% 5%
Please note that 57% of those polled stated a preference for
either a "very" or "somewhat" conservative -- compared to 38%
who prefered a "very" or "somewhat" liberal.
57%
-38%
____
19% majority want conservative
Being Pro-Choice is a conservative position. The political 'right' is
not conservative. They want to change things from the way they are.
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Supreme Court Replacement: Conservative v Liberal |
14 Oct 2004 07:24:36 PM |
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elcoyote@netzero.net (Paul Anderson) wrote
in message news:<416de4e7.439803056@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
Gallup Polls conducted a survey May 30 - Jun 1, 2003. Among
the questions, they asked respondents about their preferences
for the next replacement on the Supreme Court.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=4732
Supreme Court:Conservative v Liberal
"Suppose one of the U.S. Supreme Court Justices retires
at the end of this term. Would you like the person nomi-
nated to fill that vacancy on the Supreme Court to have
political views that are ? [ROTATED: very conservative,
somewhat conservative, somewhat liberal, (or) very liberal]?
Very Somewhat Somewhat Very No
conservative conservative liberal liberal opinion
------------ ------------ -------- ------- -------
15% 42% 29% 9% 5%
Please note that 57% of those polled stated a preference for
either a "very" or "somewhat" conservative -- compared to 38%
who prefered a "very" or "somewhat" liberal.
57%
-38%
____
19% majority want conservative
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Coyote wrote:
Being Pro-Choice is a conservative position. The political
'right' is not conservative. They want to change things
from the way they are.
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Papa Jack laughed:
I told you to leave that "loco weed" alone, Coyote.
The political "right" want to either maintain things the
way the are or to return to the values of more moral
times in our history.
On the subject at hand, i.e., the Supreme Court, the
conservatives want justices who will stick to their
constitutional duties of determining what is or is not
constitutional BASED ON THE ACTUAL CONSTITUTION.
Liberals, OTOH, seem to want to change the constitution
to fit their mood of the day. They want justices who
will justify liberal activities by finding:
"specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have
penumbras, formed by emanations from those
guarantees that help give them life and substance."
GRISWOLD v. CONNECTICUT, 381 U.S. 479 (1965)
A current case death penalty case being considered by the
Supreme Court gives us an example. An AFP article gives
some insight:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041013/pl_afp/us_justice_executions_041013210102
[...]
"Justice Anthony Kennedy, who along with Sandra
Day O'Connor are considered the moderates, asked
whether world opinion should be taken into account.
"'No,' answered James Layton, representing Missouri
state which wants Simmons executed.
"'Isn't it relevant?' Justice Stephen Breyer asked,
adding that he was not implying that it was up to
the world to impose law on the United States.
"Kennedy said, 'What we do here should influence the
rest of the world.'
[...]
No one is saying world opinion is unimportant, but such
factors are for executives (President and state governors)
and legislatures (U.S. Congress and state legislatures) to
consider when passing laws -- not the Supreme Court.
A typical conservative would think the current Supreme
Court was totally wrong to even admit they are considering
such factors.
A typical liberal would think this case is a great example
of how the Supreme Court should shape our lives with their
"progressive" concepts.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Supreme Court Replacement: Conservative v Liberal |
14 Oct 2004 11:36:23 PM |
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papa jackass <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
The political "right" want to either maintain things the
way the are or to return to the values of more moral
times in our history.
Back when blacks were slaves and women knew their place in the kitchen
and the home, and uppity people got lynched or slapped around.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Supreme Court Replacement: Conservative v Liberal |
15 Oct 2004 09:54:18 AM |
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elcoyote@netzero.net (Paul Anderson) wrote
in message news:<416de4e7.439803056@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
=========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
Gallup Polls conducted a survey May 30 - Jun 1, 2003. Among
the questions, they asked respondents about their preferences
for the next replacement on the Supreme Court.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=4732
Supreme Court:Conservative v Liberal
"Suppose one of the U.S. Supreme Court Justices retires
at the end of this term. Would you like the person nomi-
nated to fill that vacancy on the Supreme Court to have
political views that are ? [ROTATED: very conservative,
somewhat conservative, somewhat liberal, (or) very liberal]?
Very Somewhat Somewhat Very No
conservative conservative liberal liberal opinion
------------ ------------ -------- ------- -------
15% 42% 29% 9% 5%
Please note that 57% of those polled stated a preference for
either a "very" or "somewhat" conservative -- compared to 38%
who prefered a "very" or "somewhat" liberal.
57%
-38%
____
19% majority want conservative
=========================================================================
Coyote wrote:
Being Pro-Choice is a conservative position. The political
'right' is not conservative. They want to change things
from the way they are.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
I told you to leave that "loco weed" alone, Coyote.
The political "right" want to either maintain things the
way the are or to return to the values of more moral
times in our history.
On the subject at hand, i.e., the Supreme Court, the
conservatives want justices who will stick to their
constitutional duties of determining what is or is not
constitutional BASED ON THE ACTUAL CONSTITUTION.
Liberals, OTOH, seem to want to change the constitution
to fit their mood of the day. They want justices who
will justify liberal activities by finding:
"specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have
penumbras, formed by emanations from those
guarantees that help give them life and substance."
GRISWOLD v. CONNECTICUT, 381 U.S. 479 (1965)
A current case death penalty case being considered by the
Supreme Court gives us an example. An AFP article gives
some insight:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041013/pl_afp/us_justice_executions_041013210102
[...]
"Justice Anthony Kennedy, who along with Sandra
Day O'Connor are considered the moderates, asked
whether world opinion should be taken into account.
"'No,' answered James Layton, representing Missouri
state which wants Simmons executed.
"'Isn't it relevant?' Justice Stephen Breyer asked,
adding that he was not implying that it was up to
the world to impose law on the United States.
"Kennedy said, 'What we do here should influence the
rest of the world.'
[...]
No one is saying world opinion is unimportant, but such
factors are for executives (President and state governors)
and legislatures (U.S. Congress and state legislatures) to
consider when passing laws -- not the Supreme Court.
A typical conservative would think the current Supreme
Court was totally wrong to even admit they are considering
such factors.
A typical liberal would think this case is a great example
of how the Supreme Court should shape our lives with their
"progressive" concepts.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Supreme Court Replacement: Conservative v Liberal |
15 Oct 2004 03:14:52 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0410150654.6f9f0b56@posting.google.com>...
elcoyote@netzero.net (Paul Anderson) wrote
in message news:<416de4e7.439803056@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
(papa jack) wrote:
=========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
Gallup Polls conducted a survey May 30 - Jun 1, 2003. Among
the questions, they asked respondents about their preferences
for the next replacement on the Supreme Court.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=4732
Supreme Court:Conservative v Liberal
"Suppose one of the U.S. Supreme Court Justices retires
at the end of this term. Would you like the person nomi-
nated to fill that vacancy on the Supreme Court to have
political views that are ? [ROTATED: very conservative,
somewhat conservative, somewhat liberal, (or) very liberal]?
Very Somewhat Somewhat Very No
conservative conservative liberal liberal opinion
------------ ------------ -------- ------- -------
15% 42% 29% 9% 5%
Please note that 57% of those polled stated a preference for
either a "very" or "somewhat" conservative -- compared to 38%
who prefered a "very" or "somewhat" liberal.
57%
-38%
____
19% majority want conservative
=========================================================================
Coyote wrote:
Being Pro-Choice is a conservative position. The political
'right' is not conservative. They want to change things
from the way they are.
=========================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
I told you to leave that "loco weed" alone, Coyote.
The political "right" want to either maintain things the
way the are or to return to the values of more moral
times in our history.
Abortion has NEVER been considered to be homicide. This whole
anti-abortion thing protecting the fetus against the woman is *NEW*.
On the subject at hand, i.e., the Supreme Court, the
conservatives want justices who will stick to their
constitutional duties of determining what is or is not
constitutional BASED ON THE ACTUAL CONSTITUTION.
Liberals, OTOH, seem to want to change the constitution
to fit their mood of the day.
*RIGHT* The Liberals want to change the constitution to fit their
mood of the day. WHO is making noise about changing the Constitution
to bar gay marriages and abortions? The political "right".
They want justices who
will justify liberal activities by finding:
"specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have
penumbras, formed by emanations from those
guarantees that help give them life and substance."
GRISWOLD v. CONNECTICUT, 381 U.S. 479 (1965)
A current case death penalty case being considered by the
Supreme Court gives us an example. An AFP article gives
some insight:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041013/pl_afp/us_justice_executions_041013210102
[...]
"Justice Anthony Kennedy, who along with Sandra
Day O'Connor are considered the moderates, asked
whether world opinion should be taken into account.
"'No,' answered James Layton, representing Missouri
state which wants Simmons executed.
"'Isn't it relevant?' Justice Stephen Breyer asked,
adding that he was not implying that it was up to
the world to impose law on the United States.
"Kennedy said, 'What we do here should influence the
rest of the world.'
[...]
No one is saying world opinion is unimportant, but such
factors are for executives (President and state governors)
and legislatures (U.S. Congress and state legislatures) to
consider when passing laws -- not the Supreme Court.
A typical conservative would think the current Supreme
Court was totally wrong to even admit they are considering
such factors.
A typical liberal would think this case is a great example
of how the Supreme Court should shape our lives with their
"progressive" concepts.
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