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"Bill Case" |
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10 Aug 2004 10:38:41 AM |
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Swift Boat Liars Group - right wing scumbags |
From an article on the CBS news site called "Can Voters See Through Sham
Ads?"
"The group has been heavily funded by Houston conservative Bob Perry, who
has given over $5 million to Republicans in the past few years. Along
with the ad, there is a book "Unfit for Command" which is being published
by right-wing Regnery Press and being publicized by the conservative
magazine Human Events, which shares office space with Regnery. The PR
firm handling the projects is Creative Response Concepts run by former
Pat Buchanan communications director Greg Mueller with the help of former
Pat Robertson communications director, Mike Russell.
The co-author of the book is John O'Neill who has been debating John
Kerry since the 1970s. In fact, it was the Nixon White House, not the
Bush one, which was obsessed with Kerry's Vietnam service and anti-war
history. Nixon himself spent an hour with O'Neill before he debated Kerry
on the ***** Cavitt Show in 1971 and the current Swift Boat Vets saga has
a rather Nixonian cast. Former Nixon aide Pat Buchanan has been out
defending the project and pushing the book."
from
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/comment/story/0,14259,1278021,0
0.html
RE the Swiftboat group:
"The group was set up with the help of Merrie Spaeth, the widow of Tex
Lezar, who was Republican candidate for lieutenant governor of Texas in
the same year that Mr Bush ran for governor. He was a partner of Mr
O'Neill's at their Houston law firm.
Regnery, meanwhile, proclaims itself to be the leading conservative
publisher in the US. Acquired by Republican donor Thomas Philips in 1993,
it is a subsidiary of Eagle Publishing, which is using its flagship Human
Events magazine to promote Unfit for Command and build up its
subscription base and mailing lists.
Regnery publishes on any number of topics (from threats to marriage to a
defence of assault rifles), but scored a number of hits in the Clinton
years with titles such as the conservative columnist Ann Coulter's High
Crimes and Misdemeanors: the case against Bill Clinton.
The most notorious - Gary Aldrich's Unlimited Access: an FBI agent inside
the Clinton White House - depicted the executive mansion as a den of
debauchery, drug-taking and gay sex. One section claimed the president
was smuggled out under a rug for trysts with a female celebrity in a
nearby hotel. Mr Aldrich admitted in the book that many of his
allegations were, at best, second-hand.
On top of this, the O'Neill/Regnery axis has links going back to Richard
Nixon. Also a swift boat commander in Vietnam, Mr O'Neill was hired by
presidential aide Charles Colson in 1971 to discredit the recently
returned Mr Kerry's campaign against the war. Mr Kerry reputedly beat him
in a nationally televised debate on the ***** Cavett Show.
Sidney Blumenthal, a Guardian columnist and former adviser to Mr Clinton,
said he saw nothing new in Mr O'Neill's book and the campaign mounted by
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. "It reeks of partisan dirty tricks, and
the facts simply don't hold up at all. The intent is simply to dirty
Kerry," he said. "They have been trying to do this for a long time.
Regardless of whether it is false, they will put it out to see if it will
hurt."
The truth of the allegations is disputed by the Kerry campaign, and
contradicts the most authoritative account of his time in Vietnam,
Douglas Brinkley's Tour of Duty. The author is director of the Eisenhower
Centre for American Studies at New Orleans university, which specialises
in military history.
But the truth does not matter - to confuse the issue of Mr Kerry's
military service, which he has made such a strong part of his campaign,
is enough to occupy the candidate, distract him and muddy his record.
It is not the first time dirty tricks have surfaced in the 2004 campaign.
The Drudge Report (which has served as a conduit for the allegations over
Mr Kerry's Vietnam service, including allegations that he slaughtered
livestock and burned down a village with a Zippo lighter) ran reports in
February that the Massachusetts senator had an affair with an intern.
There was no truth in it.
Later, a photograph emerged of Mr Kerry at a rally with Jane Fonda, the
actress who visited Hanoi during the war and, to some, will forever be
known as Hanoi Jane. It was proven to be a fake.
"In all this campaign, attacking Kerry on his Vietnam heroism has always
backfired," Mr Blumenthal commented.
"It is particularly ironic and dangerous, given the fact that Bush is
withholding national service records that that show he did not show up
for duty in the Alabama national guard, and that he has still not come
clean about why he was suspended from flying in the Texas air national
guard after refusing to take a physical."
Of course, Democrats are not the only victims of dirty tricks. The
emergence of documents detailing Mr Bush's arrest for drink-driving a few
days before the last presidential election was blamed in some quarters
for the closeness of the result and his failure to win the popular vote.
Around the time of the Kerry intern allegations, the Republican national
committee chairman, Ed Gillespie, expressed outrage that the musician
Moby, a Kerry supporter, had told the New York Daily News it would be
possible to spread anti-Bush gossip on the internet to bring down his
support among, for example, anti-abortionists.
He then turned it into a pre-emptive rebuttal of a rumour that did not
even exist, opening up the interesting question of whether allegations of
dirty tricks constituted a form of dirty campaigning.
"We know now that, some time this fall, Kerry campaign operatives intend
to go into pro-life chatrooms on the internet to spread a scurrilous
story that President Bush drove a former girlfriend to an abortion clinic
and paid for her abortion," Mr Gillespie told the Washington Times.
Dirty campaigning is nothing new in US politics: in 1800, Thomas
Jefferson was accused of favouring the teaching of "murder, robbery,
rape, adultery and incest".
One of Mr Nixon's operatives, Donald Segretti, was imprisoned for illegal
campaign material, including faked letters alleging that a senator had
fathered an illegitimate child with a 17-year-old.
The 2004 race for the White House is close, and we should not be
surprised to see more dirty campaigning between now and November."
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13 Aug 2004 12:37:09 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<5_5Sc.16257$9Y6.11005@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
From an article on the CBS news site called "Can Voters See Through Sham
Ads?"
<snip of irrelevant article>
SBVFT's O'Neill voted for Gore and Perot. So apparently we have a
tri-partisan organization here. Headed by someone who voted Democrat
and Independent and partially funded by a Republican.
But what about the facts brought up by SBVFT. None have been
discussed in the mainstream media. They just keep bringing up red
herrings.
When is Kerry going to release those military records? That should
clear things up nicely. Were his wounds treated with band aids?
He's hiding the truth. Why aren't the supposed fair media going
after his records the same way they went after Bush?
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13 Aug 2004 01:00:40 PM |
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"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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From an article on the CBS news site called "Can Voters See Through Sham
Ads?"
<snip of irrelevant article>
SBVFT's O'Neill voted for Gore and Perot.
Idiot, how do you know who he voted for, and what difference does it make?
He first started his anti-Kerry campaign as a Nixon operative.
So apparently we have a
tri-partisan organization here. Headed by someone who voted Democrat
and Independent and partially funded by a Republican.
*****, you're a another Bushie liar.
But what about the facts brought up by SBVFT. None have been
discussed in the mainstream media. They just keep bringing up red
herrings.
You're a liar.
When is Kerry going to release those military records? That should
clear things up nicely. Were his wounds treated with band aids?
If you had any military service yourself you slandering punk, you would know
that Purple Hearts were commonly guiven for minor wounds, in all the
services. That's the way the regulations are, you slandering punk.
He's hiding the truth.
No he's not, you slnadering punk.
Here's a link which compares Kerry and Bush bio's, people might want to take
a look.
http://www.independent-media.tv/itemprint.cfm?fmedia_id=7073&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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14 Aug 2004 12:41:15 PM |
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<cl7Tc.21136$cK.21025@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec75c602.0408130937.1b53d680@posting.google.com...
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<5_5Sc.16257$9Y6.11005@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
From an article on the CBS news site called "Can Voters See Through Sham
Ads?"
<snip of irrelevant article>
SBVFT's O'Neill voted for Gore and Perot.
Idiot, how do you know who he voted for,
He said so in an interview. He also was active in supporting a
democrat running for office in Texas. Check out the Chris Matthews
interview.
and what difference does it make?
It wouldn't except for idiots claiming that they are all lies because
they are Republicans.
He first started his anti-Kerry campaign as a Nixon operative.
Apparently, Kerry started his campaign as a Viet Cong operative. So
what's your point? You think Nixon is calling the shots?
I think O'Niell started out as his own "operative". I think I would
be pretty ***** about someone calling all his "Band of Brothers"
war criminals.
So apparently we have a
tri-partisan organization here. Headed by someone who voted Democrat
and Independent and partially funded by a Republican.
*****, you're a another Bushie liar.
Nope, I would suggest voting for the Libertarian candidate as a
protest vote against both. However, now that I know more about Gore
he scares me more than Bush. It's like Alien vs. Predator, whoever
wins we lose.
But what about the facts brought up by SBVFT. None have been
discussed in the mainstream media. They just keep bringing up red
herrings.
You're a liar.
Searches at the Washington Post, New York Times, USA Today, and LA
Times reveal no mention of the word "Cambodia" in any stories about
Democratic nominee John Kerry. Kerry spokesweasel Michael Meehan
offered up a lame excuse that Kerry was "near" Cambodia, but a cursory
review of the map indicates Meehan's claim is laughably false.
They bring up red herrings like donation from a fellow who is
Republican, that "they were not on the boat" (which by the way is not
true some of them were), Nixon, why bring it up now, faked
retraction, how can you question a war hero, etc.
When is Kerry going to release those military records? That should
clear things up nicely. Were his wounds treated with band aids?
If you had any military service yourself you slandering punk, you would know
that Purple Hearts were commonly guiven for minor wounds, in all the
services. That's the way the regulations are, you slandering punk.
Not bruses and scratches that are self inflicted when not under enemy
fire. Two of the purple hearts were grenade accidents where Kerry
used them to close to the boat or himself.
He's hiding the truth.
No he's not, you slnadering punk.
Kerry should just sign the form to release the records and clear this
up. This is the simple way to prove the SBVFT are liars.
Here's a link which compares Kerry and Bush bio's, people might want to take
a look.
http://www.independent-media.tv/itemprint.cfm?fmedia_id=7073&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported
If only life were so simple as this. Talk about slanted.
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14 Aug 2004 01:43:15 PM |
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"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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From an article on the CBS news site called "Can Voters See Through
Sham
Ads?"
<snip of irrelevant article>
SBVFT's O'Neill voted for Gore and Perot.
Idiot, how do you know who he voted for,
He said so in an interview. He also was active in supporting a
democrat running for office in Texas. Check out the Chris Matthews
interview.
For Christ's sake, people say things like that to gain credibility that they
aren't partisan.
and what difference does it make?
It wouldn't except for idiots claiming that they are all lies because
they are Republicans.
Nah, the "idiot" is the one who believes it and thinks it matters.
He first started his anti-Kerry campaign as a Nixon operative.
Apparently, Kerry started his campaign as a Viet Cong operative. So
what's your point? You think Nixon is calling the shots?
You say Kerry was a Viet Cong operative.
What stupid ***** thing to say.
Were where you during that war? Have you volunteered into this one? I think
you're another little Bush coward who desperately wants to compensate for
his own lack of manhood by pulling down MEN.
The rest of your garbage is just a worthless as you are and doesn't rate a
reply.
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| User: "Igtheist" |
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15 Aug 2004 10:40:50 AM |
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<73tTc.22051$9Y6.15293@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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From an article on the CBS news site called "Can Voters See Through
Sham
Ads?"
<snip of irrelevant article>
SBVFT's O'Neill voted for Gore and Perot.
Idiot, how do you know who he voted for,
He said so in an interview. He also was active in supporting a
democrat running for office in Texas. Check out the Chris Matthews
interview.
For Christ's sake, people say things like that to gain credibility that they
aren't partisan.
It wasn't to "give credibility" it was to deflect an ad homenim
attack. Matthews accused him of being a Texas Republican. Very
similar to calling him a "Nixon operative". Matthew was not being
an objective interviewer.
I don't buy the argument that being a Republican somehow makes one
lose credibility. If so then being a Democrat should do so also.
Unfortunately it seems that a republican is the victim whenever the
charge "partisan attack" is made. Things should stand or fall on
the facts. The facts aren't looking so good for Kerry.
O'Niell did meet with Nixon but also met with many leading Democrats
at that time. He was secretly taped by Nixon. In that tape he
tells Nixon that although he and his family were Democrats who voted
for Hubert Humphrey, he supported Nixon on phased withdrawal from
Vietnam. You see liberals forget that two Democrat presidents were
responsible for the war. Nixon was working on getting us out of the
mess.
BTW I think Nixon was one of our most stupid presidents on the issue
of economics. Wage and price controls are idiotic socialist
policies.
and what difference does it make?
It wouldn't except for idiots claiming that they are all lies because
they are Republicans.
Nah, the "idiot" is the one who believes it and thinks it matters.
He first started his anti-Kerry campaign as a Nixon operative.
Apparently, Kerry started his campaign as a Viet Cong operative. So
what's your point? You think Nixon is calling the shots?
You say Kerry was a Viet Cong operative.
While Kerry was in the Navy Reserves he was meeting the the Viet Cong
in Paris and working against the war effort here at home. He admits
that he met with the communists representatives in Paris. That's
much closer to being an operative than O'Neill. He was the leader of
a group VVAW that had other members negotiating with the Viet Cong for
release of POWs to the VVAW. His organization recieved funding from
communist organizations at the time. Kerry was in a meeting where
they plotted to kill congressmen. Kerry to his credit voted against
the idea but never reported this plot. He quit his leadership role
over this but stayed with the group for a few more years as a
spokeperson. We know of this because there were FBI investigators
who had infiltrated the organization. These have been released under
the freedom of information act.
I can't believe this idiot thought he could run on his Vietnam war
record. He went before congress and stated that our troops were war
criminals. He stated that he commited atrocities along with all his
swift boat vets. That it was NOT fuckups like him but instead
systematic and on orders going up the chain of command. On the *****
Cavett show he couldn't even name a single atrocity he had witnessed.
Why? Because the only ones that occurred he knew about were
commited by himself or under his command, and he had not reported them
to his superiors at the time as such. He misunderstood what a "free
fire" zone meant. For some stupid reason he though it meant you could
kill anybody you wanted. Not true. It meant that the local commander
could take action against the enemy in such areas without prior
approval.
What stupid ***** thing to say.
Just making fun of your crap saying O'Neill was a Nixon operative. He
happened to be a Democrat at the time. There is a tape of him saying
so to Nixon.
Were where you during that war?
In high school. I graduated in 1977 and volunteered for the army.
Note: Another attempted ad hominem attack.
Have you volunteered into this one?
No, I have kids to raise and a mortgage to pay. I was in the army
back when I was a kid but decided it wasn't the career for me. I
went to West Point and I have an honorable discharge. Never saw
combat.
Note: Another attempted ad hominem attack.
I think
you're another little Bush coward who desperately wants to compensate for
his own lack of manhood by pulling down MEN.
I see more ad hominem attacks. You assume Kerry is a war hero and
therefore he is immune to questioning. Talk about wrapping someone
in the flag.
I was totally unaware of Kerrys activities during the war until a few
weeks ago. I heard about this and was shocked. I have been
researching it and the only defenses I see from the Kerry side is ad
homenim attacks on the Swift boat vets.
BTW, I'm a libertarian and not a Bush supporter. I hate Bush's
economic policies. He spends like a Democrat. I hate his social
policies because he is a Republican. I hate him because he thinks I'm
a second class citizen because I do not believe in his God. He has
stated so. I think drugs should be legal, we should take god off our
money and out of the pledge. I think he is fighting the war against
the Islamofacists incorrectly. We should be profiling arabs, keeping
out illegals at our borders, shutting down immigration from islamic
countries. His marriage act was idiotic. So you see I disagree with
him on many points.
Unfortunately, the libertarian candidate this time around doesn't seem
so good either.
The rest of your garbage is just a worthless as you are and doesn't rate a
reply.
Is that the best you can do?
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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15 Aug 2004 11:09:05 AM |
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"Igtheist" <igtheist_N_O_S_P_A_M@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I don't respect you or your views enough to even answer your post.
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| User: "Bill Levinson" |
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10 Aug 2004 11:11:11 AM |
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Bill Case wrote:
From an article on the CBS news site called "Can Voters See Through Sham
Ads?"
"The group has been heavily funded by Houston conservative Bob Perry, who
has given over $5 million to Republicans in the past few years.
Kerry himself says he committed war crimes in Vietnam. As for Bob
Perry's donations, how do you feel about George Soros ($oro$)
contributing millions to MoveOn.org?
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/politics/kerry/ Dossier on John Kerry, his war
crimes, and his association with proven racists, bigots, and
anti-Semites plus Michael Moore and George Soros. Downloadable
royalty-free leaflets
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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10 Aug 2004 12:24:13 PM |
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"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
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Bill Case wrote:
From an article on the CBS news site called "Can Voters See Through Sham
Ads?"
"The group has been heavily funded by Houston conservative Bob Perry,
who
has given over $5 million to Republicans in the past few years.
Kerry himself says he committed war crimes in Vietnam.
In the context of the military operations he participated in.
Gen. Tom Franks in a recent interview agreed that some of the types of
operations done in VN were highly questionable. Ex: "free fire zones" in
which any person in an area was subject to being killed on sight, and
indiscriminate artillery fire was ok. There plenty of civilians in those
areas.
As for Bob Perry's donations, how do you feel about George Soros ($oro$)
contributing millions to MoveOn.org?
Three things:
1) in both cases people should know where the funding comes from. However,
Perry solely funded the book, Move On is mostly? funded by small donations,
not Soros.
2) the book is a single subject personal defamatory apparently full of lies,
undermining a man's war record, one participant has already retracted. Move
On deals with a range of mostly political, not personal subjects.
3) the book is lies. The particiapnts say they served with Kerry, but none
were on his boat. His ACTUAL boatmates stand by him.
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/politics/kerry/ Dossier on John Kerry, his war
crimes, and his association with proven racists, bigots, and
anti-Semites plus Michael Moore and George Soros. Downloadable
royalty-free leaflets
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10 Aug 2004 07:13:48 PM |
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"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
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Kerry himself says he committed war crimes in Vietnam. As for Bob
Perry's donations, how do you feel about George Soros ($oro$)
contributing millions to MoveOn.org?
I feel GREAT about it!
--
Drew
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"Democracies are most commonly corrupted by the insolence of demagogues." --
Aristotle
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| User: "Bill Levinson" |
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10 Aug 2004 07:59:22 PM |
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Drew Nicholson wrote:
"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
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Kerry himself says he committed war crimes in Vietnam. As for Bob
Perry's donations, how do you feel about George Soros ($oro$)
contributing millions to MoveOn.org?
I feel GREAT about it!
Donkey 527 money GOOOOOD, Elephant 527 money BAAAAAAD, eh?
--Bill
http://www.stentorian.com/politics/kerry/ Dossier on John Kerry, his war
crimes, and his association with proven racists, bigots, and
anti-Semites plus Michael Moore and George Soros. Downloadable
royalty-free leaflets
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10 Aug 2004 08:59:06 PM |
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"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
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Drew Nicholson wrote:
"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
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Kerry himself says he committed war crimes in Vietnam. As for Bob
Perry's donations, how do you feel about George Soros ($oro$)
contributing millions to MoveOn.org?
I feel GREAT about it!
Donkey 527 money GOOOOOD, Elephant 527 money BAAAAAAD, eh?
It's what is DONE with the money, my lad.
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Drew
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The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually
idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of
us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it
debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen
driven to despair. -- HL Menken
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| User: "Adam H." |
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10 Aug 2004 08:20:54 PM |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:59:22 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
Drew Nicholson wrote:
"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
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Kerry himself says he committed war crimes in Vietnam. As for Bob
Perry's donations, how do you feel about George Soros ($oro$)
contributing millions to MoveOn.org?
I feel GREAT about it!
Donkey 527 money GOOOOOD, Elephant 527 money BAAAAAAD, eh?
Of course, MoveOn doesn't claim to be non-partisan while accepting
money and sponsorship only from Republicans - and MoveOn also got
their name from a petition to censure *Clinton* back in '98.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."
President George W. Bush.
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11 Aug 2004 12:32:26 PM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:59:22 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
Drew Nicholson wrote:
"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
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Kerry himself says he committed war crimes in Vietnam. As for Bob
Perry's donations, how do you feel about George Soros ($oro$)
contributing millions to MoveOn.org?
I feel GREAT about it!
Donkey 527 money GOOOOOD, Elephant 527 money BAAAAAAD, eh?
Of course, MoveOn doesn't claim to be non-partisan while accepting
money and sponsorship only from Republicans - and MoveOn also got
their name from a petition to censure *Clinton* back in '98.
MoveOn does claim to be non-partisan. "Contact Congress - Get in touch
with your representative in Congress through this non-partisan site."
http://moveon.org/front/
All 527s are by definition non-partisan; they are not established or
operated by party committees. Furthermore, where did SBVT say they would
not accept money from non-Republican sources?
Rev Prez
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| User: "Kate " |
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11 Aug 2004 09:32:17 AM |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:20:54 -0400, Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:59:22 GMT, Bill Levinson
<wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote:
Drew Nicholson wrote:
"Bill Levinson" <wlevinson@NOSPAM.stentorian.com> wrote in message
news:zs6Sc.19872$Jp6.751@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Kerry himself says he committed war crimes in Vietnam. As for Bob
Perry's donations, how do you feel about George Soros ($oro$)
contributing millions to MoveOn.org?
I feel GREAT about it!
Donkey 527 money GOOOOOD, Elephant 527 money BAAAAAAD, eh?
Of course, MoveOn doesn't claim to be non-partisan while accepting
money and sponsorship only from Republicans - and MoveOn also got
their name from a petition to censure *Clinton* back in '98.
Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
repeatedly.
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| User: "P.H. Cannady" |
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11 Aug 2004 12:32:58 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:41562d2b.605450000@news-
west.newscene.com:
Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
repeatedly.
MoveOn only sponsors lies and slander. Perry sponsors truth. ;)
Rev Prez
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| User: "Fred J. McCall" |
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11 Aug 2004 09:59:51 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote:
:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
:repeatedly.
That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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11 Aug 2004 10:52:33 AM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
Fred,
I like your gall in using that as a sig line.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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11 Aug 2004 12:05:48 PM |
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In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:51
GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
:repeatedly.
That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
OK, list the lies.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Fred J. McCall" |
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12 Aug 2004 08:29:39 AM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
:was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:51
:GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
:>cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
:>
:>:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
:>:repeatedly.
:>
:>That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
:
:OK, list the lies.
Sorry, but I have better things to do than rehash propaganda from a
source that everyone knows is a funded political spin house.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| User: "JTEM" |
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12 Aug 2004 01:13:30 PM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:OK, list the lies.
Sorry, but I have better things to do than rehash propaganda from a
source that everyone knows is a funded political spin house.
Translation: "I'm a fucking idiot."
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| User: "Fred J. McCall" |
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12 Aug 2004 10:38:04 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
:Translation: "I'm a fucking idiot."
Nice you to give us the translation without inflicting your resume on
us first. It's always nice when you fucking idiots self-identify.
<plonk>
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
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| User: "JTEM" |
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13 Aug 2004 12:50:07 AM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote
Nice
I'm glad you think so, but I still won't let you lick
my *****.
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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12 Aug 2004 11:44:23 AM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:54smh0p9bfgccvcnfevj894bg57b3hdsbd@4ax.com...
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
:was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:51
:GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
:>cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
:>
:>:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
:>:repeatedly.
:>
:>That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
:
:OK, list the lies.
Sorry, but I have better things to do than rehash propaganda from a
source that everyone knows is a funded political spin house.
Hey frenchie,
If your going to shoot your mouth off, have the guts to back it up.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| User: "JessHC" |
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12 Aug 2004 02:15:42 PM |
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Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<54smh0p9bfgccvcnfevj894bg57b3hdsbd@4ax.com>...
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
:was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:51
:GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
:>cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
:>
:>:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
:>:repeatedly.
:>
:>That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
:
:OK, list the lies.
Sorry, but I have better things to do than rehash propaganda from a
source that everyone knows is a funded political spin house.
Way to support your position.
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| User: "Fred J. McCall" |
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| Title: Re: Swift Boat Liars Group - right wing scumbags |
12 Aug 2004 10:49:14 PM |
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(JessHC) wrote:
:Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<54smh0p9bfgccvcnfevj894bg57b3hdsbd@4ax.com>...
:> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:>
:> :In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
:> :was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:51
:> :GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
:> :>cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
:> :>
:> :>:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
:> :>:repeatedly.
:> :>
:> :>That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
:> :
:> :OK, list the lies.
:>
:> Sorry, but I have better things to do than rehash propaganda from a
:> source that everyone knows is a funded political spin house.
:
:Way to support your position.
If it is not obvious to you that organizations which exist purely to
'spin' for either political party are distorting the truth (known as
'lies' among the blunt), then no amount of 'proof' is going to matter
to you. You don't want the issue clouded with facts, since your mind
is already firmly made up.
However, I did pop up the first page and immediately found a lie.
It's just not that hard and anyone with two brain cells to slap
soggily together knows that such organizations EXIST to lie. It's
what they do.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| User: "Bill Case" |
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| Title: Re: Swift Boat Liars Group - right wing scumbags |
13 Aug 2004 10:13:50 AM |
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"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:qvdoh0p5ldv4ghmamkiil0troat30sqh4h@4ax.com...
jesshc@phantomemail.com (JessHC) wrote:
:Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<54smh0p9bfgccvcnfevj894bg57b3hdsbd@4ax.com>...
:> Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:>
:> :In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
:> :was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:51
:> :GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
:> :>cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
:> :>
:> :>:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry
has
:> :>:repeatedly.
:> :>
:> :>That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
:> :
:> :OK, list the lies.
:>
:> Sorry, but I have better things to do than rehash propaganda from a
:> source that everyone knows is a funded political spin house.
:
:Way to support your position.
If it is not obvious to you that organizations which exist purely to
'spin' for either political party are distorting the truth (known as
'lies' among the blunt), then no amount of 'proof' is going to matter
to you. You don't want the issue clouded with facts, since your mind
is already firmly made up.
However, I did pop up the first page and immediately found a lie.
Uh huh. So if it's so obvious, let's hear it and we'll see.
It's just not that hard and anyone with two brain cells to slap
soggily together knows that such organizations EXIST to lie. It's
what they do.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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| User: "Psalm 110" |
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12 Aug 2004 03:32:00 PM |
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On 12 Aug 2004 12:15:42 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
Want to talk about backshooters? George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave
nuclear weapons submarine sea-launch technology to North Korea in
1994.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page76.html
Sun Myung Moon owns WASHINGTON TIMES NEWSPAPER
Here's a guy the Republicans don't want us to know about.
The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church and a
self-declared Messiah from South Korea, is a major behind-the-scenes
GOP player. His organization owns The Washington Times, the
right-wing newspaper Ronald Reagan once called his favorite. Moon
said he has pumped over $1 billion into the paper since the Church
bought it in 1982. Those poor Moonies had to sell a lot of flowers!
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page18.html
Most folks recognize Moon as a dangerous cult leader who has
recruited, brainwashed, and enslaved thousands of unsuspecting
students from college campuses since the 1970s.
They also remember the mass weddings he conducted at Yankee and RFK
stadiums where thousands of couples were brought together. Critics
say church officials arranged the marriages to circumvent American
immigration laws.
Moon controls a multibillion dollar tax-free business empire. In the
mid-1980s, he served a year in prison for tax evasion. A lesser
known fact is that his business operations have competed for, and
received, government contracts worth millions of dollars. No
ordinary commercial operation can compete with a Moonie shop because
you can't beat the low cost of slave labor.
Moon says he's the only person in the world who knows all the secrets
of God. Well, isn't he smart? He says he's been the Messiah ever
since he ran into Jesus in Korea in 1936. He says Jesus asked him to
take over the mission -- the one Moon says Jesus screwed up because He
didn't get married.
Moon continues his lifelong pursuit of recognition -- to be crowned
the new world Messiah. But he has often complained, "look, I'm doing
my best to be the Messiah. You try to be the Messiah." Look,
Moonpie -- Jesus never bitched about it, so clam up!
Moon came to the U.S. in the early 1970s. His organization is said
to be not religious, but political. It has connections to South
Korean intelligence operations designed to bolster the U.S. commitment
to Seoul in case North Korea invades. His clout in Washington
increased substantially during the Reagan administration because both
Reagan and Moon are rabid anti-Communists.
He has given millions of dollars to a number of Republicans. Paid
speakers at his Family Federation for World Peace have included George
Bush, William Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Ralph Reed. In the early
1990s, his organization funneled millions to Jerry Falwell's Liberty
University when it was facing staggering debts.
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page19.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page31.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page53.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page75.html
And Moon has strange ideas about sex. He's been married four times,
but his followers say the first three marriages were not consummated
and thus do not count.
Moon once told a conference that misunderstandings about male and
female sex organs have led to confusion. He said his theology
dictates that the husband owns his wife's sex organs, and vice versa.
So if my wife wants to castrate me, that's her right?
And where does he stand on family values? In 1998, his
daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, told 60 Minutes that Moon had cheated
on his wife and fathered an illegitimate son. She said he called it
"providential affairs." That Moon's got a fancy word for everything,
especially when he's been doing something naughty.
Nansook also told of a brutal beating she got from her
drug-and-alcohol-addicted husband when she was pregnant. Moon and
his wife blamed her, saying it was her fate to suffer. Her fate?
Well, screw that! So Nansook fled Moon's high-security compound in
Tarrytown, New York, along with her five children.
Moon also has an estranged daughter, Un-Jin. She supports her
sister-in-law's story.
And this guy says he's the new Messiah. Yeah, right.
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| User: "Avanti_Ken" |
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12 Aug 2004 07:13:34 PM |
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Why do you keep posting the same thing over and over which has nothing to do
with the subject being discussed?
--
Avanti_Ken
"Psalm 110" <FlamingSword@Vengence.org> wrote in message
news:4rknh09m9mv1q8m7s36hjvni1fe0koplc7@4ax.com...
On 12 Aug 2004 12:15:42 -0700, (JessHC) wrote:
Want to talk about backshooters? George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave
nuclear weapons submarine sea-launch technology to North Korea in
1994.
http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page76.html
Sun Myung Moon owns WASHINGTON TIMES NEWSPAPER
Here's a guy the Republicans don't want us to know about.
The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church and a
self-declared Messiah from South Korea, is a major behind-the-scenes
GOP player. His organization owns The Washington Times, the
right-wing newspaper Ronald Reagan once called his favorite. Moon
said he has pumped over $1 billion into the paper since the Church
bought it in 1982. Those poor Moonies had to sell a lot of flowers!
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page18.html
Most folks recognize Moon as a dangerous cult leader who has
recruited, brainwashed, and enslaved thousands of unsuspecting
students from college campuses since the 1970s.
They also remember the mass weddings he conducted at Yankee and RFK
stadiums where thousands of couples were brought together. Critics
say church officials arranged the marriages to circumvent American
immigration laws.
Moon controls a multibillion dollar tax-free business empire. In the
mid-1980s, he served a year in prison for tax evasion. A lesser
known fact is that his business operations have competed for, and
received, government contracts worth millions of dollars. No
ordinary commercial operation can compete with a Moonie shop because
you can't beat the low cost of slave labor.
Moon says he's the only person in the world who knows all the secrets
of God. Well, isn't he smart? He says he's been the Messiah ever
since he ran into Jesus in Korea in 1936. He says Jesus asked him to
take over the mission -- the one Moon says Jesus screwed up because He
didn't get married.
Moon continues his lifelong pursuit of recognition -- to be crowned
the new world Messiah. But he has often complained, "look, I'm doing
my best to be the Messiah. You try to be the Messiah." Look,
Moonpie -- Jesus never bitched about it, so clam up!
Moon came to the U.S. in the early 1970s. His organization is said
to be not religious, but political. It has connections to South
Korean intelligence operations designed to bolster the U.S. commitment
to Seoul in case North Korea invades. His clout in Washington
increased substantially during the Reagan administration because both
Reagan and Moon are rabid anti-Communists.
He has given millions of dollars to a number of Republicans. Paid
speakers at his Family Federation for World Peace have included George
Bush, William Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Ralph Reed. In the early
1990s, his organization funneled millions to Jerry Falwell's Liberty
University when it was facing staggering debts.
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page19.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page31.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page53.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page75.html
And Moon has strange ideas about sex. He's been married four times,
but his followers say the first three marriages were not consummated
and thus do not count.
Moon once told a conference that misunderstandings about male and
female sex organs have led to confusion. He said his theology
dictates that the husband owns his wife's sex organs, and vice versa.
So if my wife wants to castrate me, that's her right?
And where does he stand on family values? In 1998, his
daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, told 60 Minutes that Moon had cheated
on his wife and fathered an illegitimate son. She said he called it
"providential affairs." That Moon's got a fancy word for everything,
especially when he's been doing something naughty.
Nansook also told of a brutal beating she got from her
drug-and-alcohol-addicted husband when she was pregnant. Moon and
his wife blamed her, saying it was her fate to suffer. Her fate?
Well, screw that! So Nansook fled Moon's high-security compound in
Tarrytown, New York, along with her five children.
Moon also has an estranged daughter, Un-Jin. She supports her
sister-in-law's story.
And this guy says he's the new Messiah. Yeah, right.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Swift Boat Liars Group - right wing scumbags |
12 Aug 2004 11:35:55 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:29:39
GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
:was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:51
:GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
:>cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
:>
:>:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
:>:repeatedly.
:>
:>That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
:
:OK, list the lies.
Sorry, but I have better things to do than rehash propaganda from a
source that everyone knows is a funded political spin house.
LOL! I'll take that as an "I can't", and accept your surrender.
Here's a little clue, clueless one. If you make a claim, you had
better be able to back it up. Not doing so puts you in the same
category as the idiots over on alt.conspiracy who claim the Pentagon
wasn't hit by a 757.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Fred J. McCall" |
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| Title: Re: Swift Boat Liars Group - right wing scumbags |
12 Aug 2004 10:34:46 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
:was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:29:39
:GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
:>Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
:>
:>:In our last thrilling episode, Fred J. McCall <fmccall@earthlink.net>
:>:was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:59:51
:>:GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
:>:>cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote:
:>:>
:>:>:Not to mention Move On doesn't sponsor lies and slander like Perry has
:>:>:repeatedly.
:>:>
:>:>That's really quite funny! Do tell another one!
:>:
:>:OK, list the lies.
:>
:>Sorry, but I have better things to do than rehash propaganda from a
:>source that everyone knows is a funded political spin house.
:
:LOL! I'll take that as an "I can't", and accept your surrender.
Whatever fantasy it takes to get you through the days, little boy.
:Here's a little clue, clueless one. If you make a claim, you had
:better be able to back it up. Not doing so puts you in the same
:category as the idiots over on alt.conspiracy who claim the Pentagon
:wasn't hit by a 757.
And here's a slightly bigger one. Nobody sane is going to waste their
time wading through the political spin that emanates from such organs,
no matter which side a particular organization might be on, merely to
prove the obvious to someone who would likely accept no proof offered
in any case.
Here's one that's typical:
"Despite repeated warnings from the CIA and the Defense Intelligence
Agency, President Bush and his administration hyped and distorted the
threat that Iraq posed."
Even the not-so-non-partisan 911 Committee has said such claims are
sheer bull.
And now we're done, Little Liar.
<plonk>
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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