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21 Feb 2005 01:14:14 PM |
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swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next |
A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets
By Glen Justice
The New York Times
Monday 21 February 2005
Washington - Taking its cues from the success of last year's Swift
boat veterans' campaign in the presidential race, a conservative
lobbying organization has hired some of the same consultants to
orchestrate attacks on one of President Bush's toughest opponents in
the battle to overhaul Social Security.
The lobbying group, USA Next, which has poured millions of dollars
into Republican policy battles, now says it plans to spend as much as
$10 million on commercials and other tactics assailing AARP, the
powerhouse lobby opposing the private investment accounts at the center
of Mr. Bush's plan.
"They are the boulder in the middle of the highway to personal
savings accounts," said Charlie Jarvis, president of USA Next and
former deputy under secretary of the interior in the Reagan and first
Bush administrations. "We will be the dynamite that removes them."
Though it is not clear how much money USA Next has in hand for the
campaign - Mr. Jarvis will not say, and the group, which claims 1.5
million members, does not have to disclose its donors - officials say
that the group's annual budget was more than $28 million last year. The
group, a membership organization with no age requirements for joining,
has also spent millions in recent years vigorously supporting Bush
proposals on tax cuts, energy and the Medicare prescription drug plan.
So far, the groups dueling over Social Security have been
relatively tame, but the plans by USA Next foreshadow what could be a
steep escalation in the war to sway public opinion and members of
Congress in the days ahead.
Already, AARP is holding dozens of forums on the issue, has sent
mailings to its 35 million members and has spent roughly $5 million on
print advertisements in major newspapers opposing private accounts. "If
we feel like gambling," some advertisements said, "we'll play the
slots."
AARP is spending another $5 million on a new print advertising
campaign beginning this week.
To help set USA Next's strategy, the group has hired Chris
LaCivita, an enthusiastic former marine who advised Swift Vets and
P.O.W.'s for Truth, formerly known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, on
its media campaign and helped write its potent commercials. He earned
more than $30,000 for his work, campaign finance filings show.
Officials said the group is also seeking to hire Rick Reed, a
partner at Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm, a firm that was hired by
Swift Vets and was paid more than $276,000 to do media production,
records show.
For public relations, USA Next has turned to Creative Response
Concepts, a Virginia firm that represented both Swift Vets - the
company was paid more than $165,000 - and Regnery Publishing, the
publisher of "Unfit for Command," a book about Senator John Kerry's
military service whose co-author was John E. O'Neill, one of the
primary leaders of Swift Vets.
Swift Vets captured headlines for weeks in last year's presidential
race, when it spent millions of dollars on incendiary commercials
attacking Senator Kerry's war record. Because federal law prohibits
outside groups from coordinating with presidential campaigns during
elections, the organization came under fire when it was revealed that a
lawyer for Mr. Bush's campaign was also advising Swift Vets.
Mr. Bush criticized groups like Swift Vets last year, and his
campaign kept its distance from the groups' attacks on Mr. Kerry. In
policy battles like the one looming over Social Security, though, there
is no prohibition against coordination. Several huge business lobbies,
like the Business Roundtable, have become closely linked to Mr. Bush's
plans for Social Security and have assembled coalitions to promote the
proposals across the country.
In the case of USA Next, the group and the White House say they are
not working together. Trent Duffy, a White House spokesman, said the
administration was familiar with the group and has interacted with it
on issues in the past, but said that it had no input on its current
efforts. USA Next says it has taken pains to disassociate itself from
the administration, even declining to join the large lobbying
coalitions the White House is working with to pass Social Security
legislation
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/022105G.shtml
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21 Feb 2005 04:43:00 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote...
A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets
By Glen Justice
The New York Times
Monday 21 February 2005
Washington - Taking its cues from the success of last year's Swift
boat veterans' campaign in the presidential race, a conservative
lobbying organization has hired some of the same consultants to
orchestrate attacks on one of President Bush's toughest opponents in
the battle to overhaul Social Security.
The lobbying group, USA Next, which has poured millions of dollars
into Republican policy battles, now says it plans to spend as much as
$10 million on commercials and other tactics assailing AARP, the
powerhouse lobby opposing the private investment accounts at the center
of Mr. Bush's plan.
Here is a sample of what to expect:
http://www.spectator.org/_ads/2.gif
Honest to God, have you ever seen anything so batshit-crazy?
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21 Feb 2005 05:04:56 PM |
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"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in
news:1109025660.0aaafc52450db5ee1ea7d778e97b9e9b@teranews:
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote...
A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets
By Glen Justice
The New York Times
Monday 21 February 2005
Washington - Taking its cues from the success of last year's Swift
boat veterans' campaign in the presidential race, a conservative
lobbying organization has hired some of the same consultants to
orchestrate attacks on one of President Bush's toughest opponents in
the battle to overhaul Social Security.
The lobbying group, USA Next, which has poured millions of dollars
into Republican policy battles, now says it plans to spend as much as
$10 million on commercials and other tactics assailing AARP, the
powerhouse lobby opposing the private investment accounts at the center
of Mr. Bush's plan.
Here is a sample of what to expect:
http://www.spectator.org/_ads/2.gif
Honest to God, have you ever seen anything so batshit-crazy?
what do you mean, "next?"
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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21 Feb 2005 01:24:07 PM |
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In news:1109013254.067711.119770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com "james g.
keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets
Did you read the article?
How does it in any way support the assertion you made in your "Subject:"
line?
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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| User: "Lazarus" |
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21 Feb 2005 02:29:12 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets
Did you read the article?
Have you?
How does it in any way support the assertion you made in your "Subject:"
line?
How do you know it is inaccurate if you haven't read the article?
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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21 Feb 2005 02:29:53 PM |
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In news:1109017586.f33f3ac9e886232b0e67e754ce72aaba@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets
Did you read the article?
Have you?
Sure; did you?
How does it in any way support the assertion you made in your
"Subject:" line?
How do you know it is inaccurate if you haven't read the article?
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next",
OK?
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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21 Feb 2005 02:38:09 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets
Did you read the article?
Have you?
Sure; did you?
I've read about the story from at least three sources. So far as I can
tell, it sounds like a familiar Bush Junta operation. Are you denying that
is the case?
How does it in any way support the assertion you made in your
"Subject:" line?
How do you know it is inaccurate if you haven't read the article?
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next",
OK?
So, while the Titanic is taking water, you're rearranging the deck chairs?
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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21 Feb 2005 03:05:32 PM |
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In news:1109018201.c6824ca76ca702dd08f6c87ad4bac148@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets
Did you read the article?
Have you?
Sure; did you?
I've read about the story from at least three sources. So far as I can
tell, it sounds like a familiar Bush Junta operation. Are you denying
that is the case?
How does it in any way support the assertion you made in your
"Subject:" line?
How do you know it is inaccurate if you haven't read the article?
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next",
OK?
So, while the Titanic is taking water, you're rearranging the deck
chairs?
So, little details like factually relating the subject of an article are
of no consequence to you?
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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21 Feb 2005 03:22:41 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next",
OK?
So, while the Titanic is taking water, you're rearranging the deck
chairs?
So, little details like factually relating the subject of an article are
of no consequence to you?
Thanks for clearing that up.
So, instead of endlessly whining, write what you think would be a better
subject line. Show me what is of real consequence to you.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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21 Feb 2005 03:52:16 PM |
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In news:1109020889.611a17efc9dd58c8a06454d1d6014d49@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens
next", OK?
So, while the Titanic is taking water, you're rearranging the deck
chairs?
So, little details like factually relating the subject of an article
are of no consequence to you?
Thanks for clearing that up.
So, instead of endlessly whining, write what you think would be a better
subject line. Show me what is of real consequence to you.
Simple: "A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets", the same as the
subject of the included article, since the article wasn't about the Swift
Boat Vets, or about USA Next at all.
But even so, what's more important? The organization's position, or the
name of its PR firm's other clients?
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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21 Feb 2005 04:12:04 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
So, little details like factually relating the subject of an article
are of no consequence to you?
Thanks for clearing that up.
So, instead of endlessly whining, write what you think would be a better
subject line. Show me what is of real consequence to you.
Simple: "A New Target for Advisers to Swift Vets", the same as the
subject of the included article, since the article wasn't about the Swift
Boat Vets, or about USA Next at all.
According to your logic, the article wasn't about AARP or seniors either.
What kind of postmodern nihilist world do you live in?
But even so, what's more important? The organization's position, or the
name of its PR firm's other clients?
I think that the fact that this PR firm accepted the Swift Boat Liars as
clients is highly indicative of the sort of work they do. Apparently, US
Next expects this PR firm to give AARP the same treatment as they gave John
Kerry.
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21 Feb 2005 04:15:37 PM |
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In news:1109023861.5f51fe631ea35ef0dc7a0660d08fce51@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
I think that the fact that this PR firm accepted the Swift Boat Liars as
clients is highly indicative of the sort of work they do. Apparently,
US Next expects this PR firm to give AARP the same treatment as they
gave John Kerry.
Of course. But just because I like the way your kitchen turned out and
hire the same folks to remodel mine does not mean that I'm you.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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| User: "Lazarus" |
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24 Feb 2005 09:50:40 AM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
I think that the fact that this PR firm accepted the Swift Boat Liars as
clients is highly indicative of the sort of work they do. Apparently,
US Next expects this PR firm to give AARP the same treatment as they
gave John Kerry.
Of course. But just because I like the way your kitchen turned out and
hire the same folks to remodel mine does not mean that I'm you.
It wouldn't have occurred to me to equate a smear-and-slander campaign with
a kitchen remodeling project. I mean, with the latter, you get something of
value. Can't say the same about the former.
Your affirmation out there that someone liked the Swift Boat Liars campaign
enough to hire the people who created it says more than you intended, I
suspect.
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24 Feb 2005 05:41:41 PM |
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Lazarus wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Of course. But just because I like the way your kitchen
turned out and hire the same folks to remodel mine
does not mean that I'm you.
It wouldn't have occurred to me to equate a smear-and-slander
campaign with a kitchen remodeling project. I mean, with the
latter, you get something of value. Can't say the same about
the former.
Your affirmation out there that someone liked the Swift Boat
Liars campaign enough to hire the people who created it says
more than you intended, I suspect.
it's not just bert. i believe a fair number of bush supporters endorse
the dishonesty of the swift boat liars in the same way they endorsed
the lies to congress, the united nations, and the public, to justify
the illegal invasion of iraq.
the gop's rape of the usa educational system is working well for them.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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21 Feb 2005 03:11:52 PM |
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In article <Xns960499AB8E721VeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com>, Bert
Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
How does it in any way support the assertion you made in your
"Subject:" line?
How do you know it is inaccurate if you haven't read the article?
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next",
OK?
So, while the Titanic is taking water, you're rearranging the deck
chairs?
So, little details like factually relating the subject of an article are
of no consequence to you?
Thanks for clearing that up.
I think a better summary is you would rather focus on what you perceive
as an inaccurate Subject Line than the fact that Republicans use lies,
lies, and more lies to accomplish their goals. This is one of the many
dilemmas facing the Democratic Party today. Do we jump down in the mud
with the Republican Party and lie to the people in order to get
elected? Does, as the Republican Party apparently believes, the end
justify the means?
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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21 Feb 2005 03:17:40 PM |
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In news:210220051311529728%spam@aol.com "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns960499AB8E721VeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com>, Bert
Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
How does it in any way support the assertion you made in your
"Subject:" line?
How do you know it is inaccurate if you haven't read the article?
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens
next", OK?
So, while the Titanic is taking water, you're rearranging the deck
chairs?
So, little details like factually relating the subject of an article
are of no consequence to you?
Thanks for clearing that up.
I think a better summary is you would rather focus on what you perceive
as an inaccurate Subject Line than the fact that Republicans use lies,
lies, and more lies to accomplish their goals.
I focus on an inaccurate subject line to point out that not just
Republicans use lies, lies and more lies to accomplish their goals.
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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| User: "Lazarus" |
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21 Feb 2005 03:24:44 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other
people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is
especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own
impulses and traits."
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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21 Feb 2005 03:53:17 PM |
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In news:1109021008.7581ae56da90b8387c86e5e89092911f@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to
other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept.
It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his
own impulses and traits."
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
I just think he's a jerk.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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21 Feb 2005 04:04:38 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to
other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept.
It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his
own impulses and traits."
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
That wasn't very honest.
I just think he's a jerk.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has got one.
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21 Feb 2005 04:13:53 PM |
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In news:1109023415.8db4d28df8a805eb1891d3196ca52c1a@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes
to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot
accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks
insight into his own impulses and traits."
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
That wasn't very honest.
I just think he's a jerk.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has got one.
Yourself included, I'm sure.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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21 Feb 2005 04:19:50 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes
to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot
accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks
insight into his own impulses and traits."
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
That wasn't very honest.
<crickets chirping>
I just think he's a jerk.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has got one.
Yourself included, I'm sure.
Last time I looked, yes. But unlike you, I didn't have to validate it by
twisting an adversary's statement.
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22 Feb 2005 08:32:06 PM |
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Lazarus wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
That wasn't very honest.
dishonesty is consistent with bert's previous behavior.
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21 Feb 2005 04:02:17 PM |
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Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote in
news:Xns9604A1C46498FVeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com:
In news:1109021008.7581ae56da90b8387c86e5e89092911f@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to
other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept.
It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his
own impulses and traits."
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
you just demonstrated "projection" again bert.
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22 Feb 2005 03:07:58 PM |
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Bert Hyman wrote:
In news:1109021008.7581ae56da90b8387c86e5e89092911f@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to
other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept.
It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his
own impulses and traits."
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
I just think he's a jerk.
Doubled and Redoubled in Spades
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LP
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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22 Feb 2005 03:11:46 PM |
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(LeMod Pol) wrote in news:421B9ED5.69AD9A71@igs.net:
Doubled and Redoubled in Spades
And so's your old man.
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21 Feb 2005 08:48:11 PM |
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In article <Xns9604A1C46498FVeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com>, Bert
Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
In news:1109021008.7581ae56da90b8387c86e5e89092911f@teranews "Lazarus"
<no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to
other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept.
It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his
own impulses and traits."
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
Your doing it again.
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22 Feb 2005 10:38:26 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:210220051848119660%spam@aol.com:
In article <Xns9604A1C46498FVeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com>, Bert
Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
In news:1109021008.7581ae56da90b8387c86e5e89092911f@teranews
"Lazarus" <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@visi.com> wrote...
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
Projection: "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes
to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot
accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks
insight into his own impulses and traits."
You really think that's what's at the base of Keegan's problem?
Your doing it again.
poor bert feels has to attack me to deflect some attention from what his
swift boat sleazeballs are now trying to do to senior citizins.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next |
21 Feb 2005 03:22:48 PM |
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In article <Xns96049BBA598BAVeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com>, Bert
Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
In news:210220051311529728%spam@aol.com "David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <Xns960499AB8E721VeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com>, Bert
Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
How does it in any way support the assertion you made in your
"Subject:" line?
How do you know it is inaccurate if you haven't read the article?
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens
next", OK?
So, while the Titanic is taking water, you're rearranging the deck
chairs?
So, little details like factually relating the subject of an article
are of no consequence to you?
Thanks for clearing that up.
I think a better summary is you would rather focus on what you perceive
as an inaccurate Subject Line than the fact that Republicans use lies,
lies, and more lies to accomplish their goals.
I focus on an inaccurate subject line to point out that not just
Republicans use lies, lies and more lies to accomplish their goals.
Whether the subject line was inaccurate seems to be an area of
contention. However, if that was what you were trying to do, why
didn't you just say so?
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
I think it is very important to be accurate and I agree that the
subject line wasn't as clear as it might have been. However, I
disagree that it was a "lie."
Why you go out of your way to rationalize the deceit is puzzling.
I also disagree that it was deceitful.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next |
21 Feb 2005 03:32:55 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <spam@aol.com> wrote in
news:210220051322481001%spam@aol.com:
In article <Xns96049BBA598BAVeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com>, Bert
Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote:
Why you're happy with your side using lies is beyond me.
I think it is very important to be accurate and I agree that the
subject line wasn't as clear as it might have been. However, I
disagree that it was a "lie."
it fact, it was accurate, as headlines go.
for example, it is far more accurate than
"By the year 2042, the entire [social security] system would be exhausted
and bankrupt." bush's state of the union address
"[Castro] welcomes sex tourism," Bush told a room of law enforcement
officials in Florida, according to the Los Angeles Times. "Here's how he
bragged about the industry," Bush said. "This is his quote: 'Cuba has the
cleanest and most educated prostitutes in the world.'"
of course, that quote was later found to have been fabricated by a student.
what bert doesn't want to deal with is that the same group of liars who
tried to destroy a war hero are now trying to steal from seniors, and bert
supports that group and its activities.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next |
21 Feb 2005 02:32:46 PM |
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Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote in
news:Xns960493A03670CVeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com:
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next",
OK?
not only did you fail to read the article referenced but also the subject
line of the post to which you are responding.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next |
21 Feb 2005 02:37:51 PM |
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In news:Xns96049E24EC52Fkeegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4 "james g. keegan jr."
<keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote in
news:Xns960493A03670CVeebleFetzer@news.mpls.visi.com:
Tell me where it says "swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next",
OK?
not only did you fail to read the article referenced but also the
subject line of the post to which you are responding.
Are you telling me that the subject line of your initiaial post in this
thread was not "Subject: swift boat vets to attack senior citizens next"?
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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