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"J Young" |
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27 Jan 2006 11:25:33 PM |
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Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy |
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/F66D4B9D4D4E342E8625710300039083?OpenDocument
Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy
Pharmacist Heather Williams believes there's no middle ground when it comes
to
the so-called "morning-after" pill known as Plan B.
Williams opposes use of that pill, or any other emergency contraception
taken
after unprotected sex, because they can prevent a fertilized human egg from
implanting in the uterus. "For me, life begins with two cells," Williams
said
Thursday.
As a part-time pharmacist at a Target store in St. Charles, Williams had
refused to fill such prescriptions without incident for the past five years.
But she also declined to refer physicians or patients to others who would
fill
such prescriptions.
"I just can't be a link in the chain at all," she said.
As of Jan. 1, that stance cost Williams her job.
She and her lawyer, Ed Martin, filed a complaint this week against Target
with
the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. A lawsuit also is being
considered.
Target declined to provide comment Thursday. But Williams emphasized that
she
was blaming Planned Parenthood - not Target - for her predicament. She cites
Planned Parenthood's heightened national campaign to persuade major pharmacy
chains such as Target to agree to fill emergency contraception.
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"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
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28 Jan 2006 12:29:44 AM |
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Let's just see if one of your all-mighty Catholic organizations
hires this goober.
Paul
I doubt it--after all, they have no need to give YOU a paycheck.
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28 Jan 2006 08:22:04 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:w7WdndC5abfbnUbeRVn-sg@giganews.com:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/sto
ry/F66D4B9D4D4E342E8625710300039083?OpenDocument
Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy
Williams opposes use of that pill, or any other emergency
contraception taken
after unprotected sex, because they can prevent a fertilized human egg
from implanting in the uterus. "For me, life begins with two cells,"
Williams said
Thursday.
Booooo fucking hooooooooo. If she can't do her job, she can find another
one. She needs to go be a missionary in Saudi or something.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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29 Jan 2006 12:14:05 PM |
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In <w7WdndC5abfbnUbeRVn-sg@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked;
in effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living
and betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy
persuasion on Target Stores to instill this policy.
So you'd be okay with a pharmacy that refuses to dispense pills to
Christians right?
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Mark K. Bilbo
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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28 Jan 2006 12:37:56 AM |
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In article <w7WdndC5abfbnUbeRVn-sg@giganews.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
They should have fired her five years ago. And this isn't even close
to being a First Amendment Issue.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Jan 2006 12:12:25 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda?
They don't. You do.
Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed.
LOL! Yeah, those PP storm troopers are everywhere!
Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked;
Obviously not, sine the morals of PP's workers seem to be in fine
shape, unlike to goose-stepping fascists you support.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Wunderkind" |
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28 Jan 2006 10:13:42 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/F66D4B9D4D4E342E8625710300039083?OpenDocument
Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy
She was hired *as a pharmacist* to fill prescriptions issued by a
doctor. She was *not* hired to espouse moral/religious views to Target's
customers. She cannot legitimately insert herself into the
doctor/patient relationship.
She remains free to hold forth on her views *privately,* not in the
employ of a public company.
No rights were violated!
WK
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14 Feb 2006 10:04:48 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Here is an idea. If a job goes against your morals, you do not take
the job.
People who are morally opposed to murder do not become made men,
after all.
Michael
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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16 Feb 2006 03:13:24 PM |
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wrote:
J Young wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Here is an idea. If a job goes against your morals, you do not take
the job.
People who are morally opposed to murder do not become made men,
after all.
Michael
Here's an analogy:
Suppose you have a deeply held religious conviction that eating meat is
wrong. This is not an uncommon religious belief, especially in parts of
Asia.
You have every right not to eat meat. You have every right not
to bring meat into your house. You have every right not to take
a job that requires you to cook, serve, or handle meat.
You do not have a right to take a job at McDonald's and then
refuse to cook, serve, or handle meat. If you simply refuse
to have anything to do with meat, even if it's for
religious reasons, you must seek other employment.
A pharmacist similarly has no right to refuse to fill a legal
prescription, ESPECIALLY if the pharmacist is an employee,
and does not own the pharmacy (I would still argue that he
has a right to fill any legal prescription even if he does own the
pharmacy, but I'll grant you that's a more difficult argument).
Best, Marc
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| User: "Marc Satterwhite" |
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16 Feb 2006 03:39:07 PM |
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Marc Satterwhite wrote:
mejercit@hotmail.com wrote:
J Young wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Here is an idea. If a job goes against your morals, you do not take
the job.
People who are morally opposed to murder do not become made men,
after all.
Michael
Here's an analogy:
Suppose you have a deeply held religious conviction that eating meat is
wrong. This is not an uncommon religious belief, especially in parts of
Asia.
You have every right not to eat meat. You have every right not
to bring meat into your house. You have every right not to take
a job that requires you to cook, serve, or handle meat.
You do not have a right to take a job at McDonald's and then
refuse to cook, serve, or handle meat. If you simply refuse
to have anything to do with meat, even if it's for
religious reasons, you must seek other employment.
A pharmacist similarly has no right to refuse to fill a legal
prescription, ESPECIALLY if the pharmacist is an employee,
and does not own the pharmacy (I would still argue that he
has a right to fill any legal prescription even if he does own the
pharmacy, but I'll grant you that's a more difficult argument).
Best, Marc
Piggybacking on myself here: didn't read far enough in the thread so I didn't
notice someone else had made the same analogy. It's a fairly obvious one,
so I'm not surprised.
It's interesting to note those trying so hard to defend someone
who willfully refused to do the job she was hired to do. As has
been pointed out, that's cause for firing anyplace. Not only that,
but she left her employer open to a lawsuit and, as I understand it,
stole a piece of property (the prescription) from the person
trying to have it filled. If an employee of yours did that,
and--at a minimum--wouldn't guarantee never to do it again,
wouldn't you fire them?
Best, Marc
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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16 Feb 2006 04:06:44 PM |
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Marc Satterwhite wrote:
Marc Satterwhite wrote:
mejercit@hotmail.com wrote:
J Young wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Here is an idea. If a job goes against your morals, you do not take
the job.
People who are morally opposed to murder do not become made men,
after all.
Michael
Here's an analogy:
Suppose you have a deeply held religious conviction that eating meat is
wrong. This is not an uncommon religious belief, especially in parts of
Asia.
You have every right not to eat meat. You have every right not
to bring meat into your house. You have every right not to take
a job that requires you to cook, serve, or handle meat.
You do not have a right to take a job at McDonald's and then
refuse to cook, serve, or handle meat. If you simply refuse
to have anything to do with meat, even if it's for
religious reasons, you must seek other employment.
A pharmacist similarly has no right to refuse to fill a legal
prescription, ESPECIALLY if the pharmacist is an employee,
and does not own the pharmacy (I would still argue that he
has a right to fill any legal prescription even if he does own the
pharmacy, but I'll grant you that's a more difficult argument).
Best, Marc
Piggybacking on myself here: didn't read far enough in the thread so I didn't
notice someone else had made the same analogy. It's a fairly obvious one,
so I'm not surprised.
It's interesting to note those trying so hard to defend someone
who willfully refused to do the job she was hired to do. As has
been pointed out, that's cause for firing anyplace. Not only that,
but she left her employer open to a lawsuit and, as I understand it,
stole a piece of property (the prescription) from the person
trying to have it filled. If an employee of yours did that,
and--at a minimum--wouldn't guarantee never to do it again,
wouldn't you fire them?
Best, Marc
Marc,
Because of all the discussions, I went back to the original source to
see what was actually reported to have happened.
Near the end of the year, Target added a new requirement to the
employment of its pharmacists. They had to sign an agreement that they
would fill all legal prescriptions or refer the patients or physicians
to Target pharmacies that would, including giving directions. This was
a condition of their employment, and all pharmacists had to sign it.
The pharmacist refused to fill or refer customers that wanted to fill
prescriptions for Plan B. The article did not indicate that she kept
the prescriptions. This is a tangent that cropped up during the
discussions.
Since she refused to sign the agreement, she was fired. The Target
that she worked at did not even stock Plan B, but she refused to give
out the required referrals.
By all indications, her religious beliefs had nothing to do with the
firing, only her refusal to sign a required agreement and comply with
company policy.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "Craig Orr" |
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28 Jan 2006 08:31:43 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Sergeant: Johnson, fire into that enemy emplacement while we try to
get to that cover over there!
Johnson: Sorry Sarge, I have a moral objection to that.
Sergeant: Then why did you join the f*cking army?
Johnson: For the training and the cool uniforms, Sarge.
How long do you think will the jury will deliberate in Johnson's Court
Martial?
--
Craig
"Here, Mr. Socrates, drink this hemlock tea.
It's an all-natural herbal supplement."
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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28 Jan 2006 10:31:29 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:31:43 -0500 in alt.atheism, Craig Orr (Craig
Orr <craigorr@erols.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
J Young wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Sergeant: Johnson, fire into that enemy emplacement while we try to
get to that cover over there!
Johnson: Sorry Sarge, I have a moral objection to that.
Sergeant: Then why did you join the f*cking army?
Johnson: For the training and the cool uniforms, Sarge.
How long do you think will the jury will deliberate in Johnson's Court
Martial?
Heh. I'm not saying that I disagree with you in wide principle but
there are no juries in courts martial, and military law differs
somewhat from civilian law, though that said I would *guess* that in
the US there are some rights one **cannot** sign away, even to the
army, given the nature of the US constitution. At least in principle.
Personally, I think the refusal to dispense certain prescribed drugs
would come down to - as a matter of law - the contract of employment
between the employee and the company, as supervened by State and
Federal legislation, the key question being (as I understand it at
least in the USA) is the pharmacist an "at will" employee?
If so, the company can terminate his/her employment for any reason,
though a good cite in this case might be for "[...] morally
reprehensible reasons".
Though that said, given the US is famed for taking law cases to the
extreme, perhaps one who was denied the morning after pill by a named
pharmacist might sue the chain and pharmacist in question for child
support should the pregnancy be established and come to term.
Tricky, but given that - from what I have seen - most "pro life"
attitudes are deeply concerned prior to birth, but don't give a *****
post birth, particularly if it comes to actually forking out some cash
to support the "life" they wish preserved.
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
#442. www.video2cd.co.uk. Your 8mm films on DVD.
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28 Jan 2006 12:48:39 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> posting the following on Sat, 28 Jan 2006
16:31:29 +0000 iin alt.atheism?
Heh. I'm not saying that I disagree with you in wide principle but
there are no juries in courts martial,
Where in the world did you get that idea?
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/l/aacmartial1.htm
During my service, I was selected to sit on the panel of a General
Court Martial.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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29 Jan 2006 12:31:10 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:48:39 GMT in alt.atheism, Douglas Berry
(Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>) said, directing
the reply to alt.atheism
What's so funny about peace, love and Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> posting the following on Sat, 28 Jan 2006
16:31:29 +0000 iin alt.atheism?
Heh. I'm not saying that I disagree with you in wide principle but
there are no juries in courts martial,
Where in the world did you get that idea?
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/l/aacmartial1.htm
During my service, I was selected to sit on the panel of a General
Court Martial.
I think (or thought!) that in the British Army there's a minimum of 3
officers who sit judgment and who conduct the trial.
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28 Jan 2006 06:54:37 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:31:43 -0500, Craig Orr <craigorr@erols.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
J Young wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Sergeant: Johnson, fire into that enemy emplacement while we try to
get to that cover over there!
Johnson: Sorry Sarge, I have a moral objection to that.
Sergeant: Then why did you join the f*cking army?
Johnson: For the training and the cool uniforms, Sarge.
How long do you think will the jury will deliberate in Johnson's Court
Martial?
Depends on how long it takes for them to stop laughing.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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28 Jan 2006 10:10:02 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <w7WdndC5abfbnUbeRVn-sg@giganews.com>
wrote:
Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy
Good
Pharmacist Heather Williams believes there's no middle ground when it comes
to
the so-called "morning-after" pill known as Plan B.
Then change professions.
Williams opposes use of that pill, or any other emergency contraception
taken
after unprotected sex, because they can prevent a fertilized human egg from
implanting in the uterus. "For me, life begins with two cells," Williams
said
Thursday.
So what?
As a part-time pharmacist at a Target store in St. Charles, Williams had
refused to fill such prescriptions without incident for the past five years.
But she also declined to refer physicians or patients to others who would
fill
such prescriptions.
"I just can't be a link in the chain at all," she said.
As of Jan. 1, that stance cost Williams her job.
Outstanding. I hope no one else hires her.
She and her lawyer, Ed Martin, filed a complaint this week against Target
with
the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. A lawsuit also is being
considered.
Great. More publicity and encouragement to get rid of such people.
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28 Jan 2006 06:53:12 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
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If a person isn't going to do the job s/he is hired for then they can
look for work elsewhere.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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28 Jan 2006 08:43:38 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/F66D4B9D4D4E342E8625710300039083?OpenDocument
Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy
Pharmacist Heather Williams believes there's no middle ground when it comes
to
the so-called "morning-after" pill known as Plan B.
Williams opposes use of that pill, or any other emergency contraception
taken
after unprotected sex, because they can prevent a fertilized human egg from
implanting in the uterus. "For me, life begins with two cells," Williams
said
Thursday.
As a part-time pharmacist at a Target store in St. Charles, Williams had
refused to fill such prescriptions without incident for the past five years.
But she also declined to refer physicians or patients to others who would
fill
such prescriptions.
"I just can't be a link in the chain at all," she said.
So get out of the chain...here, let us help you. You're fired.
As of Jan. 1, that stance cost Williams her job.
She and her lawyer, Ed Martin, filed a complaint this week against Target
with
the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. A lawsuit also is being
considered.
Target declined to provide comment Thursday. But Williams emphasized that
she
was blaming Planned Parenthood - not Target - for her predicament. She cites
Planned Parenthood's heightened national campaign to persuade major pharmacy
chains such as Target to agree to fill emergency contraception.
--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
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27 Jan 2006 11:48:59 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then she's
free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
‘Republican’, but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I’ll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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28 Jan 2006 06:55:40 AM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked;
in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then she's
free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
Problem with your crap is she already had the job she wanted.
Since there is no medical necessity for dispensing birth control pills she
was not violating any aspect of her profession.
If the setup were not Pro-Choice and a mandated medical prescription in
pregnancies determined not worthy of carrying the fetus to term were used
then filling these prescriptions would not betray the conscience of so many
people.
The story did not inform anyone of the circumstances involved in this
pregnancy.
---
I bought a Venus Fly Trap today. I was going to name it
'Republican', but the fly trap is beneficial to the
environment. I'll save that name - someday I might find
a plant that eats poor people and minorities.
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28 Jan 2006 03:50:11 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't apply to
issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech, assembly, and
to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally suppressed. Now, even the
freedom to allow ones morals be their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a living and
betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used heavy persuasion
on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then she's
free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
Problem with your crap is she already had the job she wanted.
The problem with your usual disconnect from reality is that the First
Amendment doesn't cover private enterprises. The pharmacist in question was
hired for one purpose: to dispense medicine as ordered by licensed MDs. If
she had a question about a particular prescription, she should have taken it
to the MD who wrote the Rx. The pharmacist isn't there to make his/her moral
judgements on any prescription.
Since there is no medical necessity for dispensing birth control pills she
was not violating any aspect of her profession.
You're an arrogant ***** to assume you know more than an MD (or a
pharmacist, for that matter).
If the setup were not Pro-Choice and a mandated medical prescription in
pregnancies determined not worthy of carrying the fetus to term were used
then filling these prescriptions would not betray the conscience of so many
people.
The story did not inform anyone of the circumstances involved in this
pregnancy.
It didn't have to - the pharmacist ignored her responsibilities, and she got
what she asked for. If I've got an Rx for an antibiotic, I'm not going to
take kindly to a pharmacist who decides s/he won't fill that because his/her
beliefs preclude it. That's the MD's order, and if the pharmacist won't fill
it, s/he can find some other way of making a living. (Just imagine one
refusing to refill YOUR scrips that you need to stay even nominally sane, and
maybe you'll see why your approach is not the right idea.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 2, Peoria 1 (January 27)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 28 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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28 Jan 2006 10:36:15 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:POJCf.1424$fZ2.44@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:rb1mt11o969396o36cvrg617o8n70ns61k@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't
apply to issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech,
assembly, and to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally
suppressed. Now, even the freedom to allow ones morals be their guide
to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a
living and betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used
heavy persuasion on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then she's
free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
<snip>
The story did not inform anyone of the circumstances involved in this
pregnancy.
It's not the pharmacist's business what those circumstances were--it's
between the customer and her doctor. The pharmacist gets the doctor's
note, she dispenses the pills, the customer pays, transaction ends: she's
paid to dispense pills, not dogma. If she wants to preach, let her get a
job in a church. Plenty of room there for controlling passive-aggressive
assholes.
With your logic, perhaps we should be monitoring everyone in retail.
Buying milk? Well, my kid's lactose-intolerant, so I can't sell it to
you.
Buying Coke? I drink Pepsi; you're ***** out of luck.
Chocolate makes my ***** fat. Can't sell it to you--it's for your own good.
My religion forbids me to drink alcohol--so I can't stock the cooler or
sell it.
This last one? It really happened. Mr. Religious wouldn't stock or sell
the stuff: I ended up doing his job AND mine. He's the one who got fired.
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Keep THOR in THURSDAY!
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28 Jan 2006 09:34:52 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:POJCf.1424$fZ2.44@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:rb1mt11o969396o36cvrg617o8n70ns61k@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't
apply to issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech,
assembly, and to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally
suppressed. Now, even the freedom to allow ones morals be their guide
to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a
living and betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used
heavy persuasion on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then she's
free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
Problem with your crap is she already had the job she wanted.
Since there is no medical necessity for dispensing birth control pills
she was not violating any aspect of her profession.
That is not the pharmacist's call. There may well be medical reasons a
woman should not become pregnant. My sister was prescribed birth control
as a teenager to help control her difficult periods. A medical decision
made by a doctor.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense,
has always been and always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot."
-- Eugene Gladstone O'Neill, American playwright (1888-1953)
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| User: "Johnny" |
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28 Jan 2006 09:50:37 AM |
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"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97594D2004B58255229@130.133.1.4...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:POJCf.1424$fZ2.44@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:rb1mt11o969396o36cvrg617o8n70ns61k@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't
apply to issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech,
assembly, and to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally
suppressed. Now, even the freedom to allow ones morals be their guide
to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a
living and betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used
heavy persuasion on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then she's
free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
Problem with your crap is she already had the job she wanted.
Since there is no medical necessity for dispensing birth control pills
she was not violating any aspect of her profession.
That is not the pharmacist's call.
It was her CHOICE.
Remember the word CHOICE?
There may well be medical reasons a
woman should not become pregnant. My sister was prescribed birth control
as a teenager to help control her difficult periods. A medical decision
made by a doctor.
I really do not care to hear about your personal family history at this time
because it is irrelevant to the matter at hand.
The choice agenda is so bad to so many people that we are required to repair
the damages done so that persons such as the lady who was fired may have
their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness made intact.
People are veruy angry at whores and whoremongers running the show here and
demanding subservience to them and then being fired after they won;t bow
down to their evil games.
Grow a brain and realize that representing the ***** too much will cause
much damage to the world.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense,
has always been and always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot."
-- Eugene Gladstone O'Neill, American playwright (1888-1953)
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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28 Jan 2006 04:14:17 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97594D2004B58255229@130.133.1.4...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:POJCf.1424$fZ2.44@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:rb1mt11o969396o36cvrg617o8n70ns61k@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't
apply to issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of speech,
assembly, and to a lesser extent the press, are all brutally
suppressed. Now, even the freedom to allow ones morals be their guide
to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a
living and betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA used
heavy persuasion on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then she's
free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
Problem with your crap is she already had the job she wanted.
Since there is no medical necessity for dispensing birth control pills
she was not violating any aspect of her profession.
That is not the pharmacist's call.
It was her CHOICE. Remember the word CHOICE?
Indeed. What you don't want anyone to notice is that she CHOSE to not perform
her job, and now she can deal with the logical consequences of her CHOICE.
There may well be medical reasons a
woman should not become pregnant. My sister was prescribed birth control
as a teenager to help control her difficult periods. A medical decision
made by a doctor.
I really do not care to hear about your personal family history at this time
because it is irrelevant to the matter at hand.
You actually don't want to hear about it because it refutes your delusional
*****. That much is painfully obvious.
The choice agenda is so bad to so many people that we are required to repair
the damages done so that persons such as the lady who was fired may have
their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness made intact.
She had that right, and threw it away by her less than thoughtful choice. End
of story.
People are veruy angry at whores and whoremongers running the show here and
demanding subservience to them and then being fired after they won;t bow
down to their evil games.
No one worries about the imaginary "comrades" you claim support your fact-free
view.
Grow a brain and realize that representing the ***** too much will cause
much damage to
your dream of making everyone else obey you. That's a much more accurate
opinion supported by the facts you've provided: your own whining.
Keep up the good work.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 2, Peoria 1 (January 27)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, January 28 vs. Chicago, 7:35
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy |
28 Jan 2006 09:58:18 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:LmMCf.10336$3m4.1600@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97594D2004B58255229@130.133.1.4...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:POJCf.1424$fZ2.44@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:rb1mt11o969396o36cvrg617o8n70ns61k@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't
apply to issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of
speech, assembly, and to a lesser extent the press, are all
brutally suppressed. Now, even the freedom to allow ones morals be
their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a
living and betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA
used heavy persuasion on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose
it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then
she's free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
Problem with your crap is she already had the job she wanted.
Since there is no medical necessity for dispensing birth control
pills she was not violating any aspect of her profession.
That is not the pharmacist's call.
It was her CHOICE.
Remember the word CHOICE?
There may well be medical reasons a
woman should not become pregnant. My sister was prescribed birth
control as a teenager to help control her difficult periods. A
medical decision made by a doctor.
I really do not care to hear about your personal family history at
this time because it is irrelevant to the matter at hand.
You mean you have no rational response.
The choice agenda is so bad to so many people that we are required to
repair the damages done so that persons such as the lady who was fired
may have their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
made intact.
They have every right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but
not at the expense of other's rights. Does a carpenter have a right to
not build anything but round houses because it offends him? (The Navajo
traditionally build round houses. It's a religious thing.) Must we pay
him for *not* doing the job he is hired to do?
People are veruy angry at whores and whoremongers running
the show here and demanding subservience to them and then being fired
after they won;t bow down to their evil games.
So every married couple who choses if and when they have children are
whores and whoremongers? Strange world between your ears, Skippy.
Grow a brain and realize that representing the ***** too much will
cause much damage to the world.
What *****?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed.
-- George Carlin, Napalm & Silly Putty (2001)
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| User: "Johnny" |
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28 Jan 2006 10:10:09 AM |
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"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97595119351A2255229@130.133.1.4...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:LmMCf.10336$3m4.1600@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97594D2004B58255229@130.133.1.4...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:POJCf.1424$fZ2.44@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:rb1mt11o969396o36cvrg617o8n70ns61k@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:25:33 -0500, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Why does Planned Parenthood act as if the First Amendment doesn't
apply to issues that are contrary to PPA's agenda? Freedom of
speech, assembly, and to a lesser extent the press, are all
brutally suppressed. Now, even the freedom to allow ones morals be
their guide to living is being attacked; in
effect forcing people to choose between their ability to earn a
living and betraying their own conscience. Make no mistake, PPA
used heavy persuasion on Target Stores to instill this policy.
Pharmacist refuses to do the job, company says do the job or lose
it.
Seems simple to me. If her morals are so important to her then
she's free to find a job that doesn't conflict with them.
Problem with your crap is she already had the job she wanted.
Since there is no medical necessity for dispensing birth control
pills she was not violating any aspect of her profession.
That is not the pharmacist's call.
It was her CHOICE.
Remember the word CHOICE?
There may well be medical reasons a
woman should not become pregnant. My sister was prescribed birth
control as a teenager to help control her difficult periods. A
medical decision made by a doctor.
I really do not care to hear about your personal family history at
this time because it is irrelevant to the matter at hand.
You mean you have no rational response.
My response was very rational.
Your personal history is IRRELEVANT to the matter at hand.
This case is NOT about you or your sister.
Do you understand yet?
The choice agenda is so bad to so many people that we are required to
repair the damages done so that persons such as the lady who was fired
may have their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
made intact.
They have every right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but
not at the expense of other's rights.
Flip the coin, *****.
Why did Pro-Choice practice their LLPOH at the EXPENSE of the pharmacist?
You looney bin *****.
Shut your hypocritical mouth.
Does a carpenter have a right to
not build anything but round houses because it offends him? (The Navajo
traditionally build round houses. It's a religious thing.) Must we pay
him for *not* doing the job he is hired to do?
Why did you hire him?
Seems to me your fault is that you do not screen your employees well enough.
Seems to me it is your ignorance that failed you.
LOL!
People are veruy angry at whores and whoremongers running
the show here and demanding subservience to them and then being fired
after they won;t bow down to their evil games.
So every married couple who choses if and when they have children are
whores and whoremongers?
Why did you ask that?
Is it because you think so?
Why did you fall off track so fast and lose sight of the case in question?
Strange world between your ears, Skippy.
Not here.
It is your mind that has lost track of the case in question already and is
thinking that unrelated cases have anything to do with this case.
Grow a brain and realize that representing the ***** too much will
cause much damage to the world.
What *****?
You do not understand.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
If this is the best God can do, I'm not impressed.
-- George Carlin, Napalm & Silly Putty (2001)
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28 Jan 2006 10:46:12 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:3FMCf.10342$3m4.2488@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
Does a carpenter have a right to
not build anything but round houses because it offends him? (The
Navajo traditionally build round houses. It's a religious thing.)
Must we pay him for *not* doing the job he is hired to do?
Why did you hire him?
Seems to me your fault is that you do not screen your employees well
enough. Seems to me it is your ignorance that failed you.
LOL!
So pharmacies should question their potential employees and *not* hire
Christians because they might not actually do the job? Is that *really*
your point?
I think it would be better if the potential pharmacist understood that
his role is to dispense medication prescribed by doctors, and leave the
counseling of the patients to the medical school graduates. If he didn't
feel he could in good conscience do this, he should find a job where his
values did not conflict with the requirements of the job.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and
to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and
his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Johnny" |
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28 Jan 2006 07:58:57 PM |
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"Enkidu" <jdwnx4702@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97595938B929255229@130.133.1.4...
"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:3FMCf.10342$3m4.2488@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
Does a carpenter have a right to
not build anything but round houses because it offends him? (The
Navajo traditionally build round houses. It's a religious thing.)
Must we pay him for *not* doing the job he is hired to do?
Why did you hire him?
Seems to me your fault is that you do not screen your employees well
enough. Seems to me it is your ignorance that failed you.
LOL!
So pharmacies should question their potential employees and *not* hire
Christians because they might not actually do the job? Is that *really*
your point?
Why shouldn't they?
They already are discriminating on the basis of religion without confessing
it.
I would put the pins on them.
I think it would be better if the potential pharmacist understood that
his role is to dispense medication prescribed by doctors, and leave the
counseling of the patients to the medical school graduates. If he didn't
feel he could in good conscience do this, he should find a job where his
values did not conflict with the requirements of the job.
So, let all pharmacists resign their jobs then.
*****!
Let them assemble in a Union then.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and
to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and
his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy |
28 Jan 2006 08:16:12 PM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in
news:HgVCf.1566$s9.539@bignews8.bellsouth.net:
I think it would be better if the potential pharmacist understood
that his role is to dispense medication prescribed by doctors, and
leave the counseling of the patients to the medical school graduates.
If he didn't feel he could in good conscience do this, he should
find a job where his values did not conflict with the requirements of
the job.
So, let all pharmacists resign their jobs then.
*****!
Let them assemble in a Union then.
Yep. Let those who won't dispense medications quit. I bet fewer than 35
nationwide would do so.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
"Civilisation is a race between education and catastrophe"
-- H.G. Wells
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