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"J Young" |
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03 Oct 2005 12:30:43 PM |
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Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
July 1969, a young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne was a passenger in a
vehicle driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy on Chappaquiddick Island. She
died as a direct result of Sen. Kennedy's actions. Had this case been
properly investigated and prosecuted, Ted Kennedy would have been there
to greet Michael Skakel when he arrived to begin his prison sentence
for murdering a young girl. It's now 2005; when will this case be
re-opened and let justice be served?
http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
04 Oct 2005 03:02:03 PM |
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Uncle Buck wrote:
On 3 Oct 2005 19:37:17 -0700, "Tim Crowley" <timmyturmoil@gmail.com>
wrote:
Andrealphus wrote:
"Tim Crowley" <timmyturmoil@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128381310.698413.321650@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Andrealphus wrote:
"Tim Crowley" <timmyturmoil@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128379463.991417.78060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Andrealphus wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128360643.248814.48830@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
July 1969, a young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne was a passenger in a
vehicle driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy on Chappaquiddick Island. She
died as a direct result of Sen. Kennedy's actions. Had this case
been
properly investigated and prosecuted, Ted Kennedy would have been
there
to greet Michael Skakel when he arrived to begin his prison sentence
for murdering a young girl. It's now 2005; when will this case be
re-opened and let justice be served?
http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm
What in the hell has this to do with any of the newsgroups you posted
it
to?
that's for you to decide. you choose what you read.
Ummm.. no. Common courtesy says that we post topics relevant to the
newsgroups in which we are posting. This has no relevance to any of the
newsgroups he posted to.
It had revelance to the newsgroup I read it in.
*****.
Actually, so far that's all I have heard from you, *****. Now go
play netcop someplace else. i will and always have posted what I
wanted and read what I wanted, if you don't like it - I suggest you
toss your computer out the window.
But tossing _yours_ out the window (your computer I mean, you
PERVERT!!!) would be _so_ much more fun. ;-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
anytime you feel frogish, no name.
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
03 Oct 2005 09:33:14 PM |
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:38:24 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128360643.248814.48830@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
July 1969, a young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne was a passenger in a
vehicle driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy on Chappaquiddick Island. She
died as a direct result of Sen. Kennedy's actions. Had this case been
properly investigated and prosecuted, Ted Kennedy would have been there
to greet Michael Skakel when he arrived to begin his prison sentence
for murdering a young girl. It's now 2005; when will this case be
re-opened and let justice be served?
http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm
What in the hell has this to do with any of the newsgroups you posted it to?
He's hoping a 35+ year-old scandal will be as inflammatory to lib Dems
as mention of Shrub's present shrinking unpopularity is to neo-con
Repubs, and picked newsgroups he felt would be most likely to include
more liberals.
Frankly, I'm a lib (for the most part), and from what little I know of
the Ted Kennedy thing, I agree with him. But then I admit, I haven't
studied that incident much, so that's not a well-informed opinion. At
least I recognize such a thing when I have it. ;-)
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
Those first to step up and say,
"Now is not the time for placing blame"
...
...are quite often to blame....
_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
03 Oct 2005 10:30:31 PM |
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"Uncle Buck" <UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
news:haq3k1logg1ila4tm5r7gkm23msqjirdoj@4ax.com...
On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:38:24 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128360643.248814.48830@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
July 1969, a young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne was a passenger in a
vehicle driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy on Chappaquiddick Island. She
died as a direct result of Sen. Kennedy's actions. Had this case been
properly investigated and prosecuted, Ted Kennedy would have been there
to greet Michael Skakel when he arrived to begin his prison sentence
for murdering a young girl. It's now 2005; when will this case be
re-opened and let justice be served?
http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm
What in the hell has this to do with any of the newsgroups you posted it
to?
He's hoping a 35+ year-old scandal will be as inflammatory to lib Dems
as mention of Shrub's present shrinking unpopularity is to neo-con
Repubs, and picked newsgroups he felt would be most likely to include
more liberals.
Frankly, I'm a lib (for the most part), and from what little I know of
the Ted Kennedy thing, I agree with him. But then I admit, I haven't
studied that incident much, so that's not a well-informed opinion. At
least I recognize such a thing when I have it. ;-)
I don't know a whole lot about it either, except that, at the time, I felt
that it should have been investigated a bit further. There was some
controversy over who was driving, then that got settled, then there was some
controversy over who was drunk, and by how much, and that got overlooked
(Part of the reason that Kennedy didn't report it was because he needed time
to sober up, allegedly) Anyway, the whole thing was 35+ years ago and if
anyone can find enough evidence to convict him, then by all means go for it.
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| User: "The Secretary of HomIntern" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
04 Oct 2005 04:47:54 AM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to J Young/IBen Getiner:
July 1969, a young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne was a passenger in a
vehicle driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy on Chappaquiddick Island. She
died as a direct result of Sen. Kennedy's actions. Had this case been
properly investigated and prosecuted, Ted Kennedy would have been there
to greet Michael Skakel when he arrived to begin his prison sentence
for murdering a young girl. It's now 2005; when will this case be
re-opened and let justice be served?
Thirty-six years, and you just can't let it go...
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
05 Oct 2005 09:35:33 AM |
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The Secretary of HomIntern/Iben Getiner wrote:
Thirty-six years, and you just can't let it go...
Try using that same logic in soc.culture.jewish when discussing the
pursuit of Nazi war criminals.
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
05 Oct 2005 09:48:26 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
The Secretary of HomIntern/Iben Getiner wrote:
Thirty-six years, and you just can't let it go...
Try using that same logic in soc.culture.jewish when discussing the
pursuit of Nazi war criminals.
I believe Ted Kennedy paid, big time.
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
05 Oct 2005 05:15:27 PM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to J Young/Iben Getiner:
The Secretary of HomIntern wrote:
Thirty-six years, and you just can't let it go...
Try using that same logic in soc.culture.jewish when discussing the
pursuit of Nazi war criminals.
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind mass
murder.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
Killfiled by: directory; Anim8rfsk
"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
05 Oct 2005 05:27:37 PM |
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The Secretary of HomInt3rn <ý|<®åñ539ô9@\/\/0é|\/|.6®0> said:
I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to J Young/Iben Getiner:
The Secretary of HomIntern wrote:
Thirty-six years, and you just can't let it go...
Try using that same logic in soc.culture.jewish when discussing the
pursuit of Nazi war criminals.
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind mass
murder.
Ah, debate. J Young assigns a meaning to "Thirty-six years, and you
just can't let it go..." that is "Everything should be forgotten after
36 years" and attacks that, regardless of any consideration of the
importance of guilt being established. THe rule of law is unimportant
to J Young. Clearly, J Young has to assume T Kennedy's guilt, to make
this argument work.
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "J Young" |
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07 Oct 2005 03:26:08 PM |
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The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind mass
murder.
--
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You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed". To
this day, many law enforcement officials believe that a murder was
committed and later covered-up. Whether the victim was a single
Christian girl or a few thousand Jews is irrelevant. Murder is murder.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
07 Oct 2005 05:20:16 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind mass
murder.
--
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You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted = never
committed.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
07 Oct 2005 07:48:32 PM |
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind mass
murder.
--
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You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted = never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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07 Oct 2005 08:01:48 PM |
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:0o5ek1h7edrt78ec1575ustr3t2o6n9tlb@4ax.com...
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind
mass
murder.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted = never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
Since the only use of "convicted" occurs in a criminal court in the U.S.,
then the statement stands. Not convicted = never committed. The burden of
proof is entirely different in a criminal court than it is in a civil court.
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| User: "" |
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12 Oct 2005 02:51:36 AM |
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On 7-Oct-2005, "Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
Not convicted = never committed.
Er, actually "not convicted = not PROVEN committed"
Susan
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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08 Oct 2005 12:11:36 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:01:48 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:0o5ek1h7edrt78ec1575ustr3t2o6n9tlb@4ax.com...
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind
mass
murder.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted = never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
Since the only use of "convicted" occurs in a criminal court in the U.S.,
then the statement stands. Not convicted = never committed.
In legalese only. "Not convicted" = "Not convicted whether he
actually did it or not."
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
\~---0-0-0-O-o*O*o*O*o-O-0-0-0---~/
The final act of any free mind
is to believe its own lie.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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07 Oct 2005 10:27:02 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:01:48 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<0UE1f.11115$QE1.10016@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:0o5ek1h7edrt78ec1575ustr3t2o6n9tlb@4ax.com...
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind
mass
murder.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted = never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
Since the only use of "convicted" occurs in a criminal court in the U.S.,
then the statement stands. Not convicted = never committed. The burden of
proof is entirely different in a criminal court than it is in a civil court.
Committed does not mean convicted. Ever.
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07 Oct 2005 11:54:31 PM |
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:m3fek19s61mvgat17tmfk8rlb3nk99aqcf@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:01:48 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<0UE1f.11115$QE1.10016@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:0o5ek1h7edrt78ec1575ustr3t2o6n9tlb@4ax.com...
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind
mass
murder.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted =
never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
Since the only use of "convicted" occurs in a criminal court in the U.S.,
then the statement stands. Not convicted = never committed. The burden
of
proof is entirely different in a criminal court than it is in a civil
court.
Committed does not mean convicted. Ever.
Sorry, but in any country that says that you are innocent until proven
guilty, never convicted = never committed. Period.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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08 Oct 2005 08:26:40 AM |
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 04:54:31 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<biI1f.11210$QE1.97@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:m3fek19s61mvgat17tmfk8rlb3nk99aqcf@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:01:48 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<0UE1f.11115$QE1.10016@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:0o5ek1h7edrt78ec1575ustr3t2o6n9tlb@4ax.com...
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind
mass
murder.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted =
never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
Since the only use of "convicted" occurs in a criminal court in the U.S.,
then the statement stands. Not convicted = never committed. The burden
of
proof is entirely different in a criminal court than it is in a civil
court.
Committed does not mean convicted. Ever.
Sorry, but in any country that says that you are innocent until proven
guilty, never convicted = never committed. Period.
What a stupid claim.
--
"... There's glory for you."
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiles contemptuously. "Of course you don't--till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But glory doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--that's all."
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
08 Oct 2005 08:59:17 AM |
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:48ifk195kmu1c8n14tjp9vu2eevm68ekff@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 04:54:31 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<biI1f.11210$QE1.97@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:m3fek19s61mvgat17tmfk8rlb3nk99aqcf@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:01:48 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<0UE1f.11115$QE1.10016@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:0o5ek1h7edrt78ec1575ustr3t2o6n9tlb@4ax.com...
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never
mind
mass
murder.
--
___________________________________________________________________________
You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted =
never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
Since the only use of "convicted" occurs in a criminal court in the
U.S.,
then the statement stands. Not convicted = never committed. The burden
of
proof is entirely different in a criminal court than it is in a civil
court.
Committed does not mean convicted. Ever.
Sorry, but in any country that says that you are innocent until proven
guilty, never convicted = never committed. Period.
What a stupid claim.
What a stupid denial.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
08 Oct 2005 09:16:41 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:59:17 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<VgQ1f.10777$vw6.6021@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:48ifk195kmu1c8n14tjp9vu2eevm68ekff@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 04:54:31 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<biI1f.11210$QE1.97@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:m3fek19s61mvgat17tmfk8rlb3nk99aqcf@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:01:48 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never
mind
mass
murder.
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You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted =
never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
Since the only use of "convicted" occurs in a criminal court in the
U.S.,
then the statement stands. Not convicted = never committed. The burden
of
proof is entirely different in a criminal court than it is in a civil
court.
Committed does not mean convicted. Ever.
Sorry, but in any country that says that you are innocent until proven
guilty, never convicted = never committed. Period.
What a stupid claim.
What a stupid denial.
Feel free to redesign English for your own enjoyment. Don't expect
people to agree with you or undestand what you are saying.
--
"... There's glory for you."
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiles contemptuously. "Of course you don't--till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But glory doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--that's all."
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
08 Oct 2005 12:00:58 AM |
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David Jensen wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind mass
murder.
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You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted = never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
What is unfortunate is that due to improper handling of evidence and
the police screwing it up, a lot of the evidence was supressed during
the criminal trial; however, in a civil case the rules of evidence
change and a lot of the evidence that couldn't be used in the criminal
trial was used in the civil trial.
This is a good example of why we have so many rules in our court rooms.
Police negligence and mishandling of evidence can ruin a case.
"Never committed" comes across as an absolute statement.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
08 Oct 2005 12:05:25 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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David Jensen wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind
mass
murder.
--
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You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted =
never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
What is unfortunate is that due to improper handling of evidence and
the police screwing it up, a lot of the evidence was supressed during
the criminal trial; however, in a civil case the rules of evidence
change and a lot of the evidence that couldn't be used in the criminal
trial was used in the civil trial.
This is a good example of why we have so many rules in our court rooms.
Police negligence and mishandling of evidence can ruin a case.
Not to mention a warping of the Jury. Did you know that only three of the
entire 12 member jury graduated High School? Only one had any post primary
education whatsoever. Jury selection was a joke, and the defense knew it.
The jury was incapbable of understanding the DNA evidence, or its
significance, but they understood the race card all too well.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
08 Oct 2005 12:13:15 AM |
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Andrealphus wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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David Jensen wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:20:16 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL3@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in
<AwC1f.10461$vw6.5713@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128716768.206917.118550@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind
mass
murder.
--
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You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed".
Unless you can prove in a court of law otherwise, never convicted =
never
committed.
OJ Simpson was not convicted, but a civil suit showed that he was
responsible for the deaths of the two people who he was charged with
murder for.
What is unfortunate is that due to improper handling of evidence and
the police screwing it up, a lot of the evidence was supressed during
the criminal trial; however, in a civil case the rules of evidence
change and a lot of the evidence that couldn't be used in the criminal
trial was used in the civil trial.
This is a good example of why we have so many rules in our court rooms.
Police negligence and mishandling of evidence can ruin a case.
Not to mention a warping of the Jury. Did you know that only three of the
entire 12 member jury graduated High School? Only one had any post primary
education whatsoever. Jury selection was a joke, and the defense knew it.
The jury was incapbable of understanding the DNA evidence, or its
significance, but they understood the race card all too well.
An instructor of mine in college worked in California with the DA's
office and knows a lot more than you or I will ever know about the OJ
Simpson case. She told us somethings that was shocking and never
introduced into court.
Example: Evidence just thrown in the back of a police car and not
turned in for a long period of time.
Chain of evidence, not followed.
They had Ron's blood that was found on the "inside" of the handle on
OJ's Bronco.
The only way it could have gotten there was for it to have been on his
fingers and when he got in the Bronco, as he closed the door the blood
transferred to the inside of the handle.
The whole case was a disastor and a embarrassment to the California
DA's office.
You are right, from Jury selection to improper handling of evidence..OJ
walked.
And get this..he swore he would "find the killer". I don't think you
can find the killer on golf courses in Florida...oh wait...or was the
killer on the golf courses in Florida?
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
07 Oct 2005 06:19:05 PM |
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J Young wrote:
The Secretary of HomInt3rn/Iben Getiner wrote:
Doesn't apply, sorry. Ted Kennedy never committed murder, never mind mass
murder.
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You should have written "never convicted" not "never committed". To
this day, many law enforcement officials believe that a murder was
committed and later covered-up. Whether the victim was a single
Christian girl or a few thousand Jews is irrelevant. Murder is murder.
Well, as there's no statute of limitations on murder I suggest you get
those "many law enforcement officials" to prosecute and convict him.
Then try living in the 21st century with the rest of us, you loser
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy should be in prison |
05 Oct 2005 09:53:59 AM |
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Schizo-troll "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> aka "IBen Getiner"
<Lappcatt@AOL.com> wrote in message
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The Secretary of HomIntern/Iben Getiner wrote:
Thirty-six years, and you just can't let it go...
Try using that same logic in soc.culture.jewish when discussing the
pursuit of Nazi war criminals.
Wouldn't that be *your* job, IBenKnownToMakeInflammatoryTrolls ?
LC~ Sees that "J" is getting lazy, now that he's asking others to make his
trolls.
"Those filthy bastards killed Christ.Now they want to
destroy the entire middle east."~ Nym shifting troll "J Young", bigot of
Biblical proportions.
Message-ID: <5a858a1e.0403160718.2241d13a@posting.google.com>
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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05 Oct 2005 05:00:22 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> posting the following on 5 Oct 2005 07:35:33
-0700 iin alt.atheism?
The Secretary of HomIntern/Iben Getiner wrote:
Thirty-six years, and you just can't let it go...
Try using that same logic in soc.culture.jewish when discussing the
pursuit of Nazi war criminals.
Let's see.
Ted Kennedy: A single-car accident that led to one (1) death.
Nazi War Criminals: Perpetrated the systimatic extermination of at
least 10 million people in the death camps and elsewhere in the
Ostreich over a period of years. Experimented on humans, tortured,
raped and murdered helpless victims.
I have to ask, do you really believe in the depths of your sick little
mind that these two belong in the same arena? Or are you just that
much of a hater that it all blurs to you?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: George W. Bush should be in prison |
03 Oct 2005 11:02:10 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
July 1969, a young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne was a passenger in a
vehicle driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy on Chappaquiddick Island. She
died as a direct result of Sen. Kennedy's actions. Had this case been
George W. Bush lied to the US, lied to Congress, and lied to the world
in order to wage a war which has killed 100,000 people.
Not that you care. You're a fascist who supports killing people you
don't like.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "El Conquistador" |
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04 Oct 2005 09:20:20 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
July 1969, a young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne was a passenger in a
vehicle driven by Sen. Edward Kennedy on Chappaquiddick Island. She
died as a direct result of Sen. Kennedy's actions. Had this case been
George W. Bush lied to the US, lied to Congress, and lied to the world
in order to wage a war which has killed 100,000 people.
Not that you care. You're a fascist who supports killing people you
don't like.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Some day soon Dubya will face the Court of Justice in the Hague, Milosevic's
crimes were far lesser compared to the crimes of Bush and company. The only
problem is that Bush does not know how to play chess, and will be bored next
to such chess geniuses as Milosevic!
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: George W. Bush should be in prison |
04 Oct 2005 05:33:56 PM |
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:02:10 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
George W. Bush lied to the US, lied to Congress, and lied to the world
in order to wage a war which has killed 100,000 people.
Of course not. He consistently stated that he was performing in accordance with
in place Ununited Nations resolutions, and he named them. Everybody agreed.
Not that you care. You're a fascist who supports killing people you
don't like.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: George W. Bush should be in prison |
04 Oct 2005 06:46:00 PM |
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However, the technical glitch is that no treaty had been signed
therefore the war had not been concluded, but there was merely a
ceasefire. Since Saddam kept violating the terms of the ceasefire and
never negotiated a treaty, the United States and other nations had the
right to invade and enforce the ceasefire and/or conclude the war that
began in 1991.
'dem are da facts for better or for worse...
"Mimi Cohen" <imnot@cox.net> wrote in message
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: duke wrote:
: > On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 04:02:10 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
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: >>George W. Bush lied to the US, lied to Congress, and lied to the
world
: >>in order to wage a war which has killed 100,000 people.
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: > Of course not. He consistently stated that he was performing in
accordance with
: > in place Ununited Nations resolutions, and he named them.
Everybody agreed.
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: In what alternate universe did that take place? In the Gulf War (1991)
: Poppy Bush had a coalition of support from the UN, but no one other
than
: Tony Blair and ***** Cheney agrees with or supports the attrocity
taking
: place in Iraq today.
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| User: "The Secretary of HomInt3rn" |
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| Title: Re: George W. Bush should be in prison |
05 Oct 2005 02:58:43 AM |
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I was busily flonking away in alt.politics.homosexuality, when The Goddess
Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton:
However, the technical glitch is that no treaty had been signed
therefore the war had not been concluded, but there was merely a
ceasefire. Since Saddam kept violating the terms of the ceasefire and
never negotiated a treaty, the United States and other nations had the
right to invade and enforce the ceasefire and/or conclude the war that
began in 1991.
'dem are da facts for better or for worse...
Oh my fucking Goddess, I never knew you were such a right-wing k00k. By
"violating the terms of the ceasefire", I presume you refer to WMDs, of the
sort he hasn't had since 1991 or so?
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Hail Eris! "The personal _is_ political."
Bent Depraved N. Deviant *****-Smoker, Esq., Superfaggot
"Stupidity excuses nothing. It's only a reason...." -- Phxbrd
Economic Left/Right: -7.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38
"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
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