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Has anyone bothered to check to see if there's a dead girl in the front
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/04/AR2006050401430.html
Police Fault Handling Of Kennedy Car Crash
Officers Suspected He Was Drunk
Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy crashed his car into a security barrier near the
Capitol early yesterday, and officers suspected that he was intoxicated, a
police union official said.
Kennedy (D-R.I.) issued a statement confirming that he had been in an
accident but noting that he had consumed no alcohol before the crash.
Kennedy, 38, was not injured, and no charges were filed.
"I will fully cooperate with the Capitol Police in whatever investigation
they choose to undertake," Kennedy's statement said.
U.S. Capitol Police released few details and did not even confirm that the
six-term congressman had been in the accident, which occurred at 2:50 a.m.
in the 100 block of C Street SE, near the House office buildings.
Within hours, however, the union representing Capitol police officers
provided its version of events and suggested that Kennedy, the son of Sen.
Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), had received special treatment.
Lou Cannon, president of the D.C. Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 1, said
officers at the scene thought that Kennedy was staggering and might have
been intoxicated. They called for supervisors over the radio, and
supervisors drove Kennedy home, he said.
Cannon said officers were upset that supervisors prevented them from
conducting a more thorough investigation, which might have included sobriety
tests. "The officers just want to be able to do their jobs," he said.
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Has anyone bothered to check to see if there's a dead girl in the front
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Why, have you been killing girls?
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Has anyone bothered to check to see if there's a dead girl in the front
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How many dead Iraqi girls and other victims died because Bush lied?
http://www.progressive.org/0801issue/nagy0901.html
The Secret Behind the Sanctions
How the U.S. Intentionally Destroyed Iraq's Water
Supply by Thomas J. Nagy
Over the last two years, I've discovered documents
of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond
a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention,
the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions
against Iraq to degrade thecountry's water supply
after the Gulf War. The United States knew the
cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would
pay, and it went ahead anyway.
The primary document, "Iraq Water Treatment
Vulnerabilities," is dated January 22, 1991. It
spells out how sanctions will prevent Iraq from
supplying clean water to its citizens. "Iraq
depends on importing specialized equipment and
some chemicals to purify its water supply, most
of which is heavily mineralized and frequently
brackish to saline," the document states. "With
no domestic sources of both water treatment
replacement parts and some essential chemicals,
Iraq will continue attempts to circumvent United
Nations Sanctions to import these vital
commodities. Failing to secure supplies will
result in a shortage of pure drinking water
for much of the population. This could lead to
increased incidences, if not epidemics, of
disease."
The document goes into great technical detail
about the sources and quality of Iraq's water
supply. The quality of untreated water "generally
is poor," and drinking such water "could result
in diarrhea," the document says. It notes that
Iraq's rivers "contain biological materials,
pollutants, and are laden with bacteria. Unless
the water is purified with chlorine, epidemics
of such diseases as cholera, hepatitis, and
typhoid could occur."
The document notes that the importation of
chlorine "has been embargoed" by sanctions.
"Recent reports indicate the chlorine supply
is critically low. "Food and medicine will
also be affected, the document states.
"Food processing, electronic, and, particularly,
pharmaceutical plants require extremely pure
water that is free from biological contaminants,"
it says.
The document addresses possible Iraqi counter-
measures to obtain drinkable water despite
sanctions. "Iraq conceivably could truck water
from the mountain reservoirs to urban areas.
But the capability to gain significant quantities
is extremely limited," the document states. "The
amount of pipe on hand and the lack of pumping
stations would limit laying pipelines to these
reservoirs. Moreover, without chlorine
purification, the water still would contain
biological pollutants. Some affluent Iraqis
could obtain their own minimally adequate
supply of good quality water from Northern
Iraqi sources. If boiled, the water could be
safely consumed. Poorer Iraqis and industries
requiring large quantities of pure water would
not be able to meet their needs."
The document also discounted the possibility of
Iraqis using rainwater.
"Precipitation occurs in Iraq during the winter
and spring, but it falls primarily in the
northern mountains," it says. "Sporadic rains,
sometimes heavy, fall over the lower plains.
But Iraq could not rely on rain to provide
adequate pure water. "As an alternative, "Iraq
could try convincing the United Nations or
individual countries to exempt water treatment
supplies from sanctions for humanitarian reasons,"
the document says. "It probably also is
attempting
to purchase supplies by using some sympathetic
countries as fronts. If such attempts fail,
Iraqi alternatives are not adequate for their
national requirements."
In cold language, the document spells out what is
in store: "Iraq will suffer increasing shortages
of purified water because of the lack of required
chemicals and desalination membranes. Incidences
of disease, including possible epidemics, will
become probable unless the population were
careful to boil water. "The document gives a
timetable for the destruction of Iraq's water
supplies. "Iraq's overall water treatment
capability will suffer a slow decline, rather
than a precipitous halt," it says. "Although
Iraq is already experiencing a loss of water
treatment capability, it probably will take
at least six months (to June 1991) before the
system is fully degraded."
This document, which was partially declassified
but unpublicized in 1995, can be found on the
Pentagon's web site at www.gulflink.osd.mil.
(I disclosed this document last fall. But the
news media showed little interest in it. The only
reporters I know of who wrote lengthy stories
on it were Felicity Arbuthnot in the Sunday
Herald of Scotland, who broke the story, and
Charlie Reese of the Orlando Sentinel, who did
a follow-up.)
Recently, I have come across other DIA documents
that confirm the Pentagon's monitoring of the
degradation of Iraq's water supply. These
documents have not been publicized until now.
The first one in this batch is called "Disease
Information," and is also dated January 22, 1991.
At the top, it says, "Subject: Effects of Bombing
on Disease Occurrence in Baghdad." The analysis is
blunt: "Increased incidence of diseases will be
attributable to degradation of normal preventive
medicine, waste disposal, water purification/
distribution, electricity, and decreased ability
to control disease outbreaks. Any urban area in
Iraq that has received infrastructure damage will
have similar problems."
The document proceeds to itemize the likely
outbreaks. It mentions "acute diarrhea" brought
on by bacteria such as E. coli, shigella, and
salmonella, or by protozoa such as giardia, which
will affect "particularly children," or by
rotavirus, which will also affect "particularly
children," a phrase it puts in parentheses. And
it cites the possibilities of typhoid and cholera
outbreaks. The document warns that the Iraqi
government may "blame the United States for
public health problems created by the military
conflict." The second DIA document, "Disease
Outbreaks in Iraq," is dated February 21, 1990,
but the year is clearly a typo and should be
1991.
It states: "Conditions are favorable for
communicable disease outbreaks, particularly in
major urban areas affected by coalition bombing."
It adds: "Infectious disease prevalence in major
Iraqi urban areas targeted by coalition bombing
(Baghdad, Basrah) undoubtedly has increased since
the beginning of Desert Storm. . ..
Current public health problems are attributable to
the reduction of normal preventive medicine, waste
disposal, water purification and distribution,
electricity, and the decreased ability to control
disease outbreaks."
This document lists the "most likely diseases
during next sixty-ninety days
(descending order): diarrheal diseases
(particularly children); acute respiratory
illnesses (colds and influenza); typhoid;
hepatitis A (particularly children); measles,
diphtheria, and pertussis (particularly
children); meningitis, including meningococcal
(particularly children); cholera (possible,
but less likely)."
Like the previous document, this one warns that
the Iraqi government might "propagandize
increases of endemic diseases. "The third
document
in this series, "Medical Problems in Iraq," is
dated March 15, 1991. It says: "Communicable
diseases in Baghdad are more widespread than
usually observed during this time of the year
and are linked to the poor sanitary conditions
(contaminated water supplies and improper sewage
disposal) resulting from the war. According to
a United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF)/World
Health Organization report, the quantity of
potable water is less than 5 percent of the
original supply, there are no operational
water and sewage treatment plants, and the
reported incidence of diarrhea is four times above
normal levels. Additionally, respiratory
infections are on the rise. Children particularly
have been affected by these diseases."
Perhaps to put a gloss on things, the document
states, "There are indications that the situation
is improving and that the population is coping
with the degraded conditions." But it adds:
"Conditions in Baghdad remain favorable for
communicable disease outbreaks."
The fourth document, "Status of Disease at Refugee
Camps," is dated May 1991. The summary says,
"Cholera and measles have emerged at refugee
camps. Further infectious diseases will spread
due to inadequate water treatment and poor
sanitation." The reason for this outbreak is
clearly stated again. "The main causes of
infectious diseases, particularly diarrhea,
dysentery, and upper respiratory problems,
are poor sanitation and unclean water. These
diseases primarily afflict the old and young
children."
The fifth document, "Health Conditions in Iraq,
June 1991," is still heavily censored. All I can
make out is that the DIA sent a source "to assess
health conditions and determine the most critical
medical needs of Iraq. Source observed that Iraqi
medical system was in considerable disarray,
medical facilities had been extensively looted,
and almost all medicines were in critically short
supply."
In one refugee camp, the document says, "at least
80 percent of the population" has diarrhea. At
this same camp, named Cukurca, "cholera,
hepatitis type B, and measles have broken out.
"The protein deficiency disease kwashiorkor
was observed in Iraq "for the first time,"
the document adds. "Gastroenteritis was killing
children. . . . In the south, 80 percent of
the deaths were children (with the exception
of Al Amarah, where 60 percent of deaths were
children)."
The final document is "Iraq: Assessment of Current
Health Threats and Capabilities," and it is dated
November 15, 1991. This one has a distinct
damage-control feel to it. Here is how it begins:
"Restoration of Iraq's public health services and
shortages of major medical materiel remain
dominant international concerns. Both issues
apparently are being exploited by Saddam Hussein
in an effort to keep public opinion firmly
against the U.S. and its Coalition allies and
to direct blame away from the Iraqi government."
It minimizes the extent of the damage. "Although
current countrywide infectious disease incidence
in Iraq is higher than it was before the Gulf
War, it is not at the catastrophic levels that
some groups predicted. The Iraqi regime will
continue to exploit disease incidence data for
its own political purposes." And it places the
blame squarely on Saddam Hussein. "Iraq's
medical supply shortages are the result of the
central government's stockpiling, selective
distribution, and exploitation of domestic and
international relief medical resources." It adds:
"Resumption of public health programs . . .
depends completely on the Iraqi government."
As these documents illustrate, the United States
knew sanctions had the capacity to devastate the
water treatment system of Iraq. It knew what
the consequences would be: increased outbreaks
of disease and high rates of child mortality. And
it was more concerned about the public relations
nightmare for Washington than the actual
nightmare that the sanctions created for
innocent Iraqis.
The Geneva Convention is absolutely clear. In a
1979 protocol relating to the "protection of
victims of international armed conflicts,"
Article 54, it states: "It is prohibited to
attack, destroy, remove, or render useless objects
indispensable to the survival of the civilian
population, such as foodstuffs, crops, livestock,
drinking water installations and supplies, and
irrigation works, for the specific purpose of
denying them for their sustenance value to the
civilian population or to the adverse Party,
whatever the motive, whether in order to starve
out civilians, to cause them to move away, or
for any other motive."
But that is precisely what the U.S. government
did, with malice aforethought. It "destroyed,
removed, or rendered useless" Iraq's "drinking
water installations and supplies." The sanctions,
imposed for a decade largely at the insistence of
the United States, constitute a violation of the
Geneva Convention. They amount to a systematic
effort to, in the DIA's own words, "fully
degrade" Iraq's water sources.
At a House hearing on June 7, Representative
Cynthia McKinney, Democrat of Georgia, referred
to the document "Iraq Water Treatment
Vulnerabilities" and said: "Attacking the Iraqi
public drinking water supply flagrantly targets
civilians and is a violation of the Geneva
Convention and of the fundamental laws of
civilized nations."
Over the last decade, Washington extended the toll
by continuing to withhold approval for Iraq to
import the few chemicals and items of equipment
it needed in order to clean up its water supply.
Last summer, Representative Tony Hall, Democrat of
Ohio, wrote to then-Secretary of State Madeleine
Albright "about the profound effects of the
increasing deterioration of Iraq's water supply
and sanitation systems on its children's health."
Hall wrote, "The prime killer of children under
five years of age--diarrheal diseases--has
reached epidemic proportions, and they now strike
four times more often than they did in 1990. . . .
Holds on contracts for the water and sanitation
sector are a prime reason for the increases in
sickness and death. Of the eighteen contracts,
all but one hold was placed by the U.S.
government. The contracts are for purification
chemicals, chlorinators, chemical dosing pumps,
water tankers, and other equipment. . . . I urge
you to weigh your decision against the disease
and death that are the unavoidable result of not
having safe drinking water and minimum levels
of sanitation. "For more than ten years, the
United States has deliberately pursued a policy of
destroying the water treatment system of Iraq,
knowing full well the cost in Iraqi lives. The
United Nations has estimated that more than
500,000 Iraqi children have died as a result of
sanctions, and that 5,000 Iraqi children continue
to die every month for this reason. No one can
say that the United States didn't know
what it was doing.
See for Yourself All the DIA documents mentioned
in this article were found at the Department of
Defense's Gulflink site.
To read or print documents:
1.go to www.gulflink.osd.mil
2.click on "Declassified Documents" on the left
side of the front page
3.the next page is entitled "Browse Recently
Declassified Documents"
4.click on "search" under "Declassifed Documents"
on the left side of that page
5.the next page is entitled "Search Recently
Declassified Documents"
6.enter search terms such as "disease information
effects of bombing"
7.click on the search button
8.the next page is entitled "Data Sources"
9.click on DIA
10.click on one of the titles
Its not the best-organized site on the Internet,
but I have found the folks at Gulflink to be
helpful and responsive.
Thomas J. Nagy
Thomas J. Nagy teaches at the School of Business
and Public Management at George Washington
University.
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Just when did the children of Cthulhu take
over our government anyway?
Cheerful Charlie
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05 May 2006 12:06:49 AM |
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Has anyone bothered to check to see if there's a dead girl in the front
seat?
Ted (hic) Kennedy got there before the police and put her in his car
and headed for Chappaquiddick.
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05 May 2006 01:21:06 AM |
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"cmdr buzz corey" <cmdr-buzz-corey@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Has anyone bothered to check to see if there's a dead girl in the front
seat?
Ted (hic) Kennedy got there before the police and put her in his car
and headed for Chappaquiddick.
Bush has been hiding dead soldiers pretty well and their caskets to the tune
of 25,000 American casulties and you are aghast at a girl who died in a car
accident 40 years ago. Funny.
Nice attempt at spin but no good.
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| User: "Another Drunk Kennedy Car Crash Coverup Kennedy DUI@ Congress.gov" |
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05 May 2006 07:34:27 AM |
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"TruthNow" <teehee@bush.net> wrote in message
news:m9C6g.73192$H71.57112@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
"cmdr buzz corey" <cmdr-buzz-corey@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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youngopinions@aol.com wrote:
Has anyone bothered to check to see if there's a dead girl in the front
seat?
Ted (hic) Kennedy got there before the police and put her in his car
and headed for Chappaquiddick.
Bush has been hiding dead soldiers pretty well and their caskets to the
tune of 25,000 American casulties and you are aghast at a girl who died in
a car accident 40 years ago. Funny.
Nice attempt at spin but no good.
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Too bad for your inability to read, the car crash happened yesterday, maggot
breath.No wodner you assholes are too stupid to read paper ballot
instructions and poke holes in them correctly.
Police say they were prevented from giving Kennedy a sobriety test
BY RICHARD SISK AND MICHAEL MCAULIFF
New York Daily News
WASHINGTON - Rep. Patrick Kennedy wrecked his car in an early morning
accident on Capitol Hill Thursday, and police say supervisors stopped them
from giving him a sobriety test.
Two police union officials, who were not at the scene, complained that the
Rhode Island congressman and son of Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., looked like
he'd been drinking after crashing into a barrier near the Capitol building
at 2:45 a.m.
"The driver exited the vehicle and he was observed to be staggering,"
Officer Greg Baird, the acting head of the Capitol police union, wrote in a
letter to his boss, according to the newspaper Roll Call.
Lou Cannon, president of the Washington chapter of the Fraternal Order of
Police, said Kennedy looked intoxicated.
"It's my understanding that he had an odor of alcohol about him and he was
unsteady on his feet," Cannon said.
Kennedy, who has a history of substance abuse and depression, admitted to
the car accident, but denied he had been drinking.
"I was involved in a traffic incident last night," said the 38-year-old. "I
consumed no alcohol prior to the incident. I will fully cooperate with the
Capitol Police in whatever investigation they choose to undertake."
Late Thursday night, Kennedy put out a second statement saying he had taken
sleep medication and a prescription anti-nausea drug that can cause
drowsiness.
Baird complained in his letter to acting Capitol police Chief Christopher
McGaffin that Kennedy and a pair of sergeants thwarted any proper
investigation.
When cops first approached, he "declared to them he was a Congressman and
was late to a vote," Baird's letter says. "The House had adjourned nearly
three hours before this incident."
It was unclear if Kennedy raised the voting issue intentionally to avoid
being detained and tested, because Capitol Hill lawmakers get a legal pass
to rush to votes.
Baird says the sergeants stopped the officers from doing a field sobriety
test, and after talking to the watch commander, "ordered all of the Patrol
Division Units to leave the scene and that they were taking over."
Kennedy was then given a ride home.
Baird's letter also said Kennedy narrowly missed a cop car before slamming
into the barrier with his lights off.
Capitol police would only say in a statement that they "are investigating a
traffic violation."
But the police union is demanding a full investigation.
"If the events unfolded as they have been reported to me, and I believe they
did, a complete and immediate investigation into them is required," Baird
wrote. He demanded to know why the responding officers were not allowed to
investigate Kennedy.
"This appears to be interference with their duties as U.S. Capitol Police
Officers and may have prevented the collection of evidence of such
violations," he wrote.
The early morning crash comes just a couple weeks after Kennedy wrecked
another car in Portsmouth, R.I., on April 15. The congressman, driving a
2003 Crown Victoria, reportedly collided with a Nissan Maxima outside a drug
store. No charges were filed.
Kennedy has grown up in the shadow of his famous uncles - President John F.
Kennedy and Sen. Robert Kennedy - and his father, who had his own car crash
that killed Mary Jo Kopechne in Chappaquiddick, Mass., in July 1969.
The younger scion of America's most storied and star-crossed political
dynasty has battled his own demons. He admitted in 2000 that he was a mental
health advocate because he had wrestled with depression since he was a
teenager - and that led him to abuse cocaine.
He told a crowd in Woonsocket, R.I, that he regularly talks to a
psychiatrist and takes anti-depressants. "I myself have suffered from
depression, I have been treated by psychiatrists," Kennedy said.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14506626.htm
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| User: "Geoff" |
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05 May 2006 08:12:55 AM |
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"Another Drunk Kennedy Car Crash Coverup" <Kennedy DUI@ Congress.gov> wrote
in message news:445b461c$0$14899$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
Bush has been hiding dead soldiers pretty well and their caskets to the
tune of 25,000 American casulties and you are aghast at a girl who died
in a car accident 40 years ago. Funny.
Nice attempt at spin but no good.
Too bad for your inability to read, the car crash happened yesterday,
maggot breath.No wodner you assholes are too stupid to read paper ballot
instructions and poke holes in them correctly.
The problem is not reading comprehension, but historical acumen. And
it is yours, not his. The allusion to a dead girl is to Mary Jo Kopechne
who died in an accident with Ted Kennedy nearly 40 years ago. It has
nothing to do with this accident.
If Rep. Kennedy was driving under the influence, he should have been
treated like any other citizen. But this kind of special treatment is not
reserved for Kennedys, democrats, or even politicians. People of wealth
and celebrity can expect it.
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| User: "Amanda Williams" |
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05 May 2006 06:54:29 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com> allegedly said in
news:N5qdnbutuuvB0sbZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@comcast.com:
"Another Drunk Kennedy Car Crash Coverup" <Kennedy DUI@ Congress.gov>
wrote in message
news:445b461c$0$14899$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
Bush has been hiding dead soldiers pretty well and their caskets to
the tune of 25,000 American casulties and you are aghast at a girl
who died in a car accident 40 years ago. Funny.
Nice attempt at spin but no good.
Too bad for your inability to read, the car crash happened yesterday,
maggot breath.No wodner you assholes are too stupid to read paper
ballot instructions and poke holes in them correctly.
The problem is not reading comprehension, but historical acumen. And
it is yours, not his. The allusion to a dead girl is to Mary Jo
Kopechne who died in an accident with Ted Kennedy nearly 40 years ago.
It has nothing to do with this accident.
If Rep. Kennedy was driving under the influence, he should have been
treated like any other citizen. But this kind of special treatment is
not reserved for Kennedys, democrats, or even politicians. People of
wealth and celebrity can expect it.
It's SOP in Washington for congressthingys.. if the guy had of been Joe
Blow Congressthingy from Armpit, Texas you wouldn't even have heard about
it...
It IS funny to watch the rightard shills screech and blow...
It was the same deal when Cynthia was viciously assualted by that jack-
booted thug last month...
:o)
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05 May 2006 08:06:35 PM |
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As viewed from alt.california, Amanda Williams wrote:
It was the same deal when Cynthia was viciously assualted by
that jack-booted thug last month...
LOL! Which of them was it, again, who took the punch?
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Jafo
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| User: "osprey" |
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05 May 2006 08:31:00 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
"Another Drunk Kennedy Car Crash Coverup" <Kennedy DUI@ Congress.gov> wrote
in message news:445b461c$0$14899$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
Bush has been hiding dead soldiers pretty well and their caskets to the
tune of 25,000 American casulties and you are aghast at a girl who died
in a car accident 40 years ago. Funny.
Nice attempt at spin but no good.
Too bad for your inability to read, the car crash happened yesterday,
maggot breath.No wodner you assholes are too stupid to read paper ballot
instructions and poke holes in them correctly.
The problem is not reading comprehension, but historical acumen. And
it is yours, not his. The allusion to a dead girl is to Mary Jo Kopechne
who died in an accident with Ted Kennedy nearly 40 years ago. It has
nothing to do with this accident.
If Rep. Kennedy was driving under the influence, he should have been
treated like any other citizen. But this kind of special treatment is not
reserved for Kennedys, democrats, or even politicians. People of wealth
and celebrity can expect it.
That's true, but why are you the only one that is actually
acknowledging that? All the other liberals so far that have responded
to youngs post are trying to divert attention to Laura Bush or George
Bush. None of them want to face the truth that one of their own could
have possibly received special treatment.
He should be treated like anyone else, you are absolutely right.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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05 May 2006 09:07:15 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Geoff wrote:
"Another Drunk Kennedy Car Crash Coverup" <Kennedy DUI@ Congress.gov>
wrote
in message news:445b461c$0$14899$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
Bush has been hiding dead soldiers pretty well and their caskets to
the
tune of 25,000 American casulties and you are aghast at a girl who
died
in a car accident 40 years ago. Funny.
Nice attempt at spin but no good.
Too bad for your inability to read, the car crash happened yesterday,
maggot breath.No wodner you assholes are too stupid to read paper
ballot
instructions and poke holes in them correctly.
The problem is not reading comprehension, but historical acumen. And
it is yours, not his. The allusion to a dead girl is to Mary Jo Kopechne
who died in an accident with Ted Kennedy nearly 40 years ago. It has
nothing to do with this accident.
If Rep. Kennedy was driving under the influence, he should have been
treated like any other citizen. But this kind of special treatment is not
reserved for Kennedys, democrats, or even politicians. People of wealth
and celebrity can expect it.
That's true, but why are you the only one that is actually
acknowledging that? All the other liberals so far that have responded
to youngs post are trying to divert attention to Laura Bush or George
Bush. None of them want to face the truth that one of their own could
have possibly received special treatment.
He should be treated like anyone else, you are absolutely right.
Because Young was trolling and was making a connection between
this and Chappaquiddick. His post did not warrant a dignifying response.
Thus, he did not get it.
Neither did the post to which I responded. I just had to point out to
that little ***** that he was wrong.
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05 May 2006 09:16:01 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Geoff wrote:
"Another Drunk Kennedy Car Crash Coverup" <Kennedy DUI@ Congress.gov>
wrote
in message news:445b461c$0$14899$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
Bush has been hiding dead soldiers pretty well and their caskets to
the
tune of 25,000 American casulties and you are aghast at a girl who
died
in a car accident 40 years ago. Funny.
Nice attempt at spin but no good.
Too bad for your inability to read, the car crash happened yesterday,
maggot breath.No wodner you assholes are too stupid to read paper
ballot
instructions and poke holes in them correctly.
The problem is not reading comprehension, but historical acumen. And
it is yours, not his. The allusion to a dead girl is to Mary Jo Kopechne
who died in an accident with Ted Kennedy nearly 40 years ago. It has
nothing to do with this accident.
If Rep. Kennedy was driving under the influence, he should have been
treated like any other citizen. But this kind of special treatment is not
reserved for Kennedys, democrats, or even politicians. People of wealth
and celebrity can expect it.
That's true, but why are you the only one that is actually
acknowledging that? All the other liberals so far that have responded
to youngs post are trying to divert attention to Laura Bush or George
Bush. None of them want to face the truth that one of their own could
have possibly received special treatment.
He should be treated like anyone else, you are absolutely right.
Because Young was trolling and was making a connection between
this and Chappaquiddick. His post did not warrant a dignifying response.
Thus, he did not get it.
Neither did the post to which I responded. I just had to point out to
that little ***** that he was wrong.
Fine, but lets get away from Chappaquiddick for a while.
Liberals are QUICK to point out that the past isn't important. Example:
We get into a discussion and if someone points out something Clinton
had done, some liberals are quick to point out that he is no longer
president. I am waiting for the next Democrat to become president and
for some of the liberals to point back at Bush, and then I will use
their words back on them.
But let's get to the issue. Kennedy, driving drunk and receiving
special treatment.
Right or wrong?
We all know it's wrong and it shouldn't matter who it is. Even if this
was one of the Bush daughters I would be just as appauled.
So when do these rich aristocrats stop getting all this special
treatment???
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07 May 2006 05:04:46 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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Fine, but lets get away from Chappaquiddick for a while.
Liberals are QUICK to point out that the past isn't important. Example:
We get into a discussion and if someone points out something Clinton
had done, some liberals are quick to point out that he is no longer
president. I am waiting for the next Democrat to become president and
for some of the liberals to point back at Bush, and then I will use
their words back on them.
Go for it.
But let's get to the issue. Kennedy, driving drunk and receiving
special treatment.
Right or wrong?
I'm not sure he got special treatment. If he did, I think my previous
post shows how I feel about that.
We all know it's wrong and it shouldn't matter who it is. Even if this
was one of the Bush daughters I would be just as appauled.
Jenna has gotten special treatment a few times. In her case, I wouldn't
mind it if she showed any kind of contrition.
So when do these rich aristocrats stop getting all this special
treatment???
It's a fact of life.
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07 May 2006 06:06:20 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1146838561.438278.158940@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Fine, but lets get away from Chappaquiddick for a while.
Liberals are QUICK to point out that the past isn't important. Example:
We get into a discussion and if someone points out something Clinton
had done, some liberals are quick to point out that he is no longer
president. I am waiting for the next Democrat to become president and
for some of the liberals to point back at Bush, and then I will use
their words back on them.
Go for it.
But let's get to the issue. Kennedy, driving drunk and receiving
special treatment.
Right or wrong?
I'm not sure he got special treatment. If he did, I think my previous
post shows how I feel about that.
It would have been easier for you to just answer the question instead
of trying to be difficult.
We all know it's wrong and it shouldn't matter who it is. Even if this
was one of the Bush daughters I would be just as appauled.
Jenna has gotten special treatment a few times.
And if she did, then it's wrong. Simple as that.
In her case, I wouldn't
mind it if she showed any kind of contrition.
So when do these rich aristocrats stop getting all this special
treatment???
It's a fact of life.
No, it doesn't have to be.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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09 May 2006 12:56:12 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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It would have been easier for you to just answer the question instead
of trying to be difficult.
No, it would have been easier for you. But then I didn't think you
would be so lazy as not to refer to previous posts.
We all know it's wrong and it shouldn't matter who it is. Even if this
was one of the Bush daughters I would be just as appauled.
Jenna has gotten special treatment a few times.
And if she did, then it's wrong. Simple as that.
In her case, I wouldn't
mind it if she showed any kind of contrition.
So when do these rich aristocrats stop getting all this special
treatment???
It's a fact of life.
No, it doesn't have to be.
Care to make a suggestion as how we can reverse 5000 years
of favorable treatment for the elites?
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| User: "osprey" |
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09 May 2006 02:04:43 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147043180.179012.76310@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It would have been easier for you to just answer the question instead
of trying to be difficult.
No, it would have been easier for you. But then I didn't think you
would be so lazy as not to refer to previous posts.
It's not a matter of being lazy as much as it is a matter of your
rudeness. Of course, I expect you do this because on a newsgroup it's
the only place you can actually get away with your attitude.
We all know it's wrong and it shouldn't matter who it is. Even if this
was one of the Bush daughters I would be just as appauled.
Jenna has gotten special treatment a few times.
And if she did, then it's wrong. Simple as that.
In her case, I wouldn't
mind it if she showed any kind of contrition.
So when do these rich aristocrats stop getting all this special
treatment???
It's a fact of life.
No, it doesn't have to be.
Care to make a suggestion as how we can reverse 5000 years
of favorable treatment for the elites?
Yes, by simply keeping the public informed and encouraging voting more
progressively. It's the only way that there will be change, is if the
voters are educated and more people were educated on the importance of
voting.
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become one?
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 07:58:55 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147158283.548065.173170@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147043180.179012.76310@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It would have been easier for you to just answer the question instead
of trying to be difficult.
No, it would have been easier for you. But then I didn't think you
would be so lazy as not to refer to previous posts.
It's not a matter of being lazy as much as it is a matter of your
rudeness. Of course, I expect you do this because on a newsgroup it's
the only place you can actually get away with your attitude.
How was I rude. I made a statement referring to a previous post. You claimed
that it would have been easier for me to just restate my position. I
corrected you: it would make it easier for you. Of course, all it takes is
for you, if you have such poor short-term memory, to go up two messages on
the thread to see my position.
We all know it's wrong and it shouldn't matter who it is. Even if
this
was one of the Bush daughters I would be just as appauled.
Jenna has gotten special treatment a few times.
And if she did, then it's wrong. Simple as that.
In her case, I wouldn't
mind it if she showed any kind of contrition.
So when do these rich aristocrats stop getting all this special
treatment???
It's a fact of life.
No, it doesn't have to be.
Care to make a suggestion as how we can reverse 5000 years
of favorable treatment for the elites?
Yes, by simply keeping the public informed and encouraging voting more
progressively. It's the only way that there will be change, is if the
voters are educated and more people were educated on the importance of
voting.
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty kids
like Jenna Bush?
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become one?
My volunteerism is not in politics. Not everyone is political. I coach high
school hockey. When did you coach high school hockey.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 08:04:13 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147158283.548065.173170@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147043180.179012.76310@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It would have been easier for you to just answer the question instead
of trying to be difficult.
No, it would have been easier for you. But then I didn't think you
would be so lazy as not to refer to previous posts.
It's not a matter of being lazy as much as it is a matter of your
rudeness. Of course, I expect you do this because on a newsgroup it's
the only place you can actually get away with your attitude.
How was I rude. I made a statement referring to a previous post. You claimed
that it would have been easier for me to just restate my position. I
corrected you: it would make it easier for you. Of course, all it takes is
for you, if you have such poor short-term memory, to go up two messages on
the thread to see my position.
We all know it's wrong and it shouldn't matter who it is. Even if
this
was one of the Bush daughters I would be just as appauled.
Jenna has gotten special treatment a few times.
And if she did, then it's wrong. Simple as that.
In her case, I wouldn't
mind it if she showed any kind of contrition.
So when do these rich aristocrats stop getting all this special
treatment???
It's a fact of life.
No, it doesn't have to be.
Care to make a suggestion as how we can reverse 5000 years
of favorable treatment for the elites?
Yes, by simply keeping the public informed and encouraging voting more
progressively. It's the only way that there will be change, is if the
voters are educated and more people were educated on the importance of
voting.
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble for
drinking?
Or is it just Republican kids?
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become one?
My volunteerism is not in politics. Not everyone is political. I coach high
school hockey. When did you coach high school hockey.
How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong doings
in society, when we allow rich people to get away with things????
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 08:27:35 AM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147179853.215403.55630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble for
drinking?
You've made an assumption.
Or is it just Republican kids?
Good! You realized your assumption.
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become one?
My volunteerism is not in politics. Not everyone is political. I coach
high
school hockey. When did you coach high school hockey.
How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong doings
in society, when we allow rich people to get away with things????
You asked me when I became a registrar. I told you that I do other volunteer
work I never once claimed that being a hockey coach has any moralistic
underpinnings. Playing organized sports can instill favorable qualities in
children, but I don't think it provides morality.
What makes you so self-centered to assume that your volunteerism is the
be-all-and-end-all? What makes you think that registering people to vote
will have any affect on special treatment for elites? That is so naive, I
don't know where to start.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 09:07:06 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147179853.215403.55630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble for
drinking?
You've made an assumption.
I asked you a question. Do you not know how to read?
Or is it just Republican kids?
Good! You realized your assumption.
Again, do you have a problem with questions? I asked you a question.
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become one?
My volunteerism is not in politics. Not everyone is political. I coach
high
school hockey. When did you coach high school hockey.
How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong doings
in society, when we allow rich people to get away with things????
You asked me when I became a registrar. I told you that I do other volunteer
work I never once claimed that being a hockey coach has any moralistic
underpinnings. Playing organized sports can instill favorable qualities in
children, but I don't think it provides morality.
What makes you so self-centered to assume that your volunteerism is the
be-all-and-end-all?
What makes you so self-centered to make such a stupid assumption? I
never said volunteerism is the be-all-and-end-all. You asked me a
solution and I gave you just one of many.
What makes you think that registering people to vote
will have any affect on special treatment for elites?
By educating people on the importance of voting and tuning people in to
listening to what the politicians say and how they act, people become
more involved and start demanding that their representatives take
action. We live in a country where people don't care. You stated that
giving rich people special attention is a fact of life. It isn't.
It's a condition in which we allowed it to become a norm in our life.
It isn't a fact, it's a behavior.
That is so naive, I
don't know where to start.
Well, basic reading lessons would be a good start. Might I suggest you
try your local community college?
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 03:59:43 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147183626.259550.19620@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147179853.215403.55630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty
kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble for
drinking?
You've made an assumption.
I asked you a question. Do you not know how to read?
OK, since you are too lazy to refer to my previous posts, I will reiterate
that I don't agree with special treatment for elites, political or
otherwise, conservative or liberal, rich or poor.
Or is it just Republican kids?
Good! You realized your assumption.
Again, do you have a problem with questions? I asked you a question.
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become
one?
My volunteerism is not in politics. Not everyone is political. I coach
high
school hockey. When did you coach high school hockey.
How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong doings
in society, when we allow rich people to get away with things????
You asked me when I became a registrar. I told you that I do other
volunteer
work I never once claimed that being a hockey coach has any moralistic
underpinnings. Playing organized sports can instill favorable qualities
in
children, but I don't think it provides morality.
What makes you so self-centered to assume that your volunteerism is the
be-all-and-end-all?
What makes you so self-centered to make such a stupid assumption? I
never said volunteerism is the be-all-and-end-all. You asked me a
solution and I gave you just one of many.
I quote: "How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong
doings in society." I never made that claim.
What makes you think that registering people to vote
will have any affect on special treatment for elites?
By educating people on the importance of voting and tuning people in to
listening to what the politicians say and how they act, people become
more involved and start demanding that their representatives take
action. We live in a country where people don't care. You stated that
giving rich people special attention is a fact of life. It isn't.
It's a condition in which we allowed it to become a norm in our life.
It isn't a fact, it's a behavior.
And it's been SOP for all of recorded history. We can complain and
perhaps get redress if we even find out about it in the first place. But
that won't stop it from happening again.
That is so naive, I
don't know where to start.
Well, basic reading lessons would be a good start. Might I suggest you
try your local community college?
I read just fine. How's your little project of getting voters registered
working in eliminating corruption?
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 05:57:21 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147183626.259550.19620@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147179853.215403.55630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty
kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble for
drinking?
You've made an assumption.
I asked you a question. Do you not know how to read?
OK, since you are too lazy to refer to my previous posts, I will reiterate
that I don't agree with special treatment for elites, political or
otherwise, conservative or liberal, rich or poor.
Gee, and to think, that's all you had to say in the first place when I
asked you. Instead of being an arrogant little pissant, all you had to
do was just answer. I was attempting at first, to be reasonable with
you.
Or is it just Republican kids?
Good! You realized your assumption.
Again, do you have a problem with questions? I asked you a question.
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become
one?
My volunteerism is not in politics. Not everyone is political. I coach
high
school hockey. When did you coach high school hockey.
How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong doings
in society, when we allow rich people to get away with things????
You asked me when I became a registrar. I told you that I do other
volunteer
work I never once claimed that being a hockey coach has any moralistic
underpinnings. Playing organized sports can instill favorable qualities
in
children, but I don't think it provides morality.
What makes you so self-centered to assume that your volunteerism is the
be-all-and-end-all?
What makes you so self-centered to make such a stupid assumption? I
never said volunteerism is the be-all-and-end-all. You asked me a
solution and I gave you just one of many.
I quote: "How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong
doings in society." I never made that claim.
Well, being that was what I was refering to and you threw in coaching
High School hockey...
What makes you think that registering people to vote
will have any affect on special treatment for elites?
By educating people on the importance of voting and tuning people in to
listening to what the politicians say and how they act, people become
more involved and start demanding that their representatives take
action. We live in a country where people don't care. You stated that
giving rich people special attention is a fact of life. It isn't.
It's a condition in which we allowed it to become a norm in our life.
It isn't a fact, it's a behavior.
And it's been SOP for all of recorded history. We can complain and
perhaps get redress if we even find out about it in the first place. But
that won't stop it from happening again.
True, but to just throw up our arms and say things that are not true
like, "thats a fact of life"..I would rather focus on what we can do to
fix it instead.
Or at least stop a lot of it.
That is so naive, I
don't know where to start.
Well, basic reading lessons would be a good start. Might I suggest you
try your local community college?
I read just fine. How's your little project of getting voters registered
working in eliminating corruption?
Hey, I am but one person and I can only do what I can do. I can't do
it alone. At least I am doing something though. How about you?
And if you read just fine, you should have been able to see that what
you thought were assumptions were nothing more than my asking you a
question.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
10 May 2006 04:51:28 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147215441.428544.175810@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147183626.259550.19620@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147179853.215403.55630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty
kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the
legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble
for
drinking?
You've made an assumption.
I asked you a question. Do you not know how to read?
OK, since you are too lazy to refer to my previous posts, I will
reiterate
that I don't agree with special treatment for elites, political or
otherwise, conservative or liberal, rich or poor.
Gee, and to think, that's all you had to say in the first place when I
asked you. Instead of being an arrogant little pissant, all you had to
do was just answer. I was attempting at first, to be reasonable with
you.
Don't worry. I won't pay attention to you anymore either. If you don't have
the courtesy to pay attention to my comments, I see no reason to bother with
yours.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
11 May 2006 01:00:11 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147215441.428544.175810@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147183626.259550.19620@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147179853.215403.55630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty
kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the
legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble
for
drinking?
You've made an assumption.
I asked you a question. Do you not know how to read?
OK, since you are too lazy to refer to my previous posts, I will
reiterate
that I don't agree with special treatment for elites, political or
otherwise, conservative or liberal, rich or poor.
Gee, and to think, that's all you had to say in the first place when I
asked you. Instead of being an arrogant little pissant, all you had to
do was just answer. I was attempting at first, to be reasonable with
you.
Don't worry. I won't pay attention to you anymore either.
O.k.
Oh, for the record. I wasn't lazy to read your comments. I asked you
again, because I wanted to verify and make sure I was understanding you
right. But you take it however you want, it's no big deal to me.
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 09:09:44 AM |
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On 9 May 2006 07:07:06 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147179853.215403.55630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble for
drinking?
You've made an assumption.
I asked you a question. Do you not know how to read?
Or is it just Republican kids?
Good! You realized your assumption.
Again, do you have a problem with questions? I asked you a question.
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become one?
My volunteerism is not in politics. Not everyone is political. I coach
high
school hockey. When did you coach high school hockey.
How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong doings
in society, when we allow rich people to get away with things????
You asked me when I became a registrar. I told you that I do other volunteer
work I never once claimed that being a hockey coach has any moralistic
underpinnings. Playing organized sports can instill favorable qualities in
children, but I don't think it provides morality.
What makes you so self-centered to assume that your volunteerism is the
be-all-and-end-all?
What makes you so self-centered to make such a stupid assumption? I
never said volunteerism is the be-all-and-end-all. You asked me a
solution and I gave you just one of many.
What makes you think that registering people to vote
will have any affect on special treatment for elites?
By educating people on the importance of voting and tuning people in to
listening to what the politicians say and how they act, people become
more involved and start demanding that their representatives take
action. We live in a country where people don't care. You stated that
giving rich people special attention is a fact of life. It isn't.
It's a condition in which we allowed it to become a norm in our life.
It isn't a fact, it's a behavior.
That is so naive, I
don't know where to start.
Well, basic reading lessons would be a good start. Might I suggest you
try your local community college?
Ohh, don't do that, Geoff. Osprey went to his community college and
look how he turned out. If you take his advice it'll only be steps
backward for you.
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I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Adam H" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 09:42:15 AM |
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On Tue, 09 May 2006 10:09:44 -0400, Adam H <adam@mailinator.com>
wrote:
On 9 May 2006 07:07:06 -0700, "osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1147179853.215403.55630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How the heck is that going to prevent favorable treatment of bratty kids
like Jenna Bush?
By keeping the public informed and putting pressure on the legislatures
to provide oversight.
Oh, and was Al Gore's daughter bratty when she got in her trouble for
drinking?
You've made an assumption.
I asked you a question. Do you not know how to read?
Or is it just Republican kids?
Good! You realized your assumption.
Again, do you have a problem with questions? I asked you a question.
If you are not lazy, get out there and start registering people to
vote. I became a registrar four years ago. When did you become one?
My volunteerism is not in politics. Not everyone is political. I coach
high
school hockey. When did you coach high school hockey.
How is coaching high school hockey informing people on the wrong doings
in society, when we allow rich people to get away with things????
You asked me when I became a registrar. I told you that I do other volunteer
work I never once claimed that being a hockey coach has any moralistic
underpinnings. Playing organized sports can instill favorable qualities in
children, but I don't think it provides morality.
What makes you so self-centered to assume that your volunteerism is the
be-all-and-end-all?
What makes you so self-centered to make such a stupid assumption? I
never said volunteerism is the be-all-and-end-all. You asked me a
solution and I gave you just one of many.
What makes you think that registering people to vote
will have any affect on special treatment for elites?
By educating people on the importance of voting and tuning people in to
listening to what the politicians say and how they act, people become
more involved and start demanding that their representatives take
action. We live in a country where people don't care. You stated that
giving rich people special attention is a fact of life. It isn't.
It's a condition in which we allowed it to become a norm in our life.
It isn't a fact, it's a behavior.
That is so naive, I
don't know where to start.
Well, basic reading lessons would be a good start. Might I suggest you
try your local community college?
Ohh, don't do that, Geoff. Osprey went to his community college and
look how he turned out. If you take his advice it'll only be steps
backward for you.
---
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
And, as you can see in his replies to my posts, he's still obsessed
with them. Shame his obsession doesn't take the form of, say, replies
that have an element of truth.
---
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 10:05:02 AM |
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This is an automated response generated by the user "osprey". Your
posting has been kicked back and rejected. In other words, you are
being ignored. Ray Fischer openly showed he disrespected women when he
made these comments towards a female user:
"And you should shut-up and attend to your RESPONSIBILITIES
around the home."
and
"Then why the hell aren't you taking care of him instead of wasting
your time blathering about things you don't understand?"
"Get back to work, woman. Make yourself useful."
You in fact claimed that he was not disrespecting women and his quotes
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 04:56:16 PM |
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In article <1147187102.828092.320750@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
This is an automated response generated by the user "osprey".
wow!! coward bobby is even lying in automated posts.
now that is true devotion to untruth.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
09 May 2006 09:14:50 AM |
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This is an automated response generated by the user "osprey". Your
posting has been kicked back and rejected. In other words, you are
being ignored. Ray Fischer openly showed he disrespected women when he
made these comments towards a female user:
"And you should shut-up and attend to your RESPONSIBILITIES
around the home."
and
"Then why the hell aren't you taking care of him instead of wasting
your time blathering about things you don't understand?"
"Get back to work, woman. Make yourself useful."
You in fact claimed that he was not disrespecting women and his quotes
were being taken out of context and you then later tried to justify his
statements claiming they are satire.
There is no reason anyone would make a statement like that towards any
woman, unless that person actually felt that way. You are just as
disrespectful as Ray Fischer and therefore been placed on an ignore
list by "osprey".
This is just to notify you that you should get a life and move on and
not worry about "osprey" any longer. "osprey" does not read your
postings and in fact does not see them any longer, so you can go and
get some rest and no longer worry about it. "osprey" doesn't respect
anyone who disrespects women as you do.
Also, any reader should be advised about Adam H.
Last year, another user had posted "osprey's" state e-mail address
without "osprey's" permission. This is an official government e-mail
address. "osprey" warned the other user that he could get in trouble
for doing so. The other user had tried to encourage other users in the
newsgroup to take the e-mail address and submit it to websites that
would generate spam e-mail to that address.
Adam H. did so and by doing so, his IsP was notified and Adam H. was
sternly warned that this practice was to stop immediately. U.S.
officials have been notified of Adam H. and have the e-mails on file,
including Adam H. IP address. His ISP has warned him that not only
would he be kicked off from his service, but if any legal action were
to take place against the ISP, Adam H. would be held accountable.
Adam H. tried to claim he did not do this; however, all the evidence
points to him. The IP was an identical match and his ISP confirmed it
was him. Since then, the spam stopped immediately and the website
owners were also warned about Adam H. and it was he that was submitting
the e-mail address.
Be warned. Adam H. will do illegal activities and he will resort to
very drastic measures if you do not agree with him.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Ted Kennedy's Son Involved in Car Crash; Officers Suspect He Was Drunk |
07 May 2006 07:12:48 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1146838561.438278.158940@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Fine, but lets get away from Chappaquiddick for a while.
Liberals are QUICK to point out that the past isn't important. Example:
We get into a discussion and if someone points out something Clinton
had done, some liberals are quick to point out that he is no longer
president. I am waiting for the next Democrat to become president and
for some of the liberals to point back at Bush, and then I will use
their words back on them.
Go for it.
But let's get to the issue. Kennedy, driving drunk and receiving
special treatment.
Right or wrong?
I'm not sure he got special treatment. If he did, I think my previous
post shows how I feel about that.
It would have been easier for you to just answer the question instead
of trying to be difficult.
99.903% on the irony meter.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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