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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:48:15 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

But when engaged-in by other people, it is absolutely NONE of
their damn business. At all. Whatsoever.

Would that be anything like when a man beats ups his wife or kids, it's
just
a family affair and nobody else's DAMN BUSINESS!

No, only a fool (or sociopath) would compare sticking their nose into
others' consensual affairs with sticking their nose into a
non-consensual matter with which the non-consenting p[arty needs
assistance.
Sex is consensual, and when you're not involved, it's none of your
damn business.

Poisoning of the well aside, "consent" was not a condition stipulated in
his
assertion.

The original assertion said "sex," which is, by definition,
consensual.

Others' sex lives are still none of your damn business. NEXT!

Rape is neither sex nor consensual. Preventing such harm is everyone's
business, so that it doesn't happen to others.
I would think that as a christstain, you would know what your cult's
Grimoire of Death and Incest has to say about helping those in need.
Perhaps you should review Matthew 25: 31-46.

You have me at a disadvantage, have we met before?

*****, I hope not. Your screen name is enough to make me uitspuwen, as
Mom's family would say.
Hope you enjoyed today's assigned reading from your cult's Grimoire of
Death and Incest, too.

That is how our society
used to think a few decades ago, some still do. How about if as a
50-year-old man you manage to get a 10-year-old boy to meet you for sex?
In
other words, simply blurting out unequivocally that something is nobody
else's business is non-responsive and pointless, it does not address the
issues.

The issue seems to be that you refuse to grasp the concept of informed
consent, as well as age appropriateness.

Wherever did you get that idea?

Your refusal to grasp the concept of informed consent, as well as age
appropriateness, was the first clue.
That was all I needed, really.

Sex (which is consensual) between people who aren't you is none of
your damn business.
Coercing as minor into sexual activity (rape, by definition) is
everyone's business, for the aforementioned reasoning.
A ten year old can not legally (and I would wager psychologically too)
give consent to have sex with an adult.
Strange how you christstains can't conceive of consensual vs.
non-consensual. Even stranger is how you christstains think that every
act involving the male sex organ is sex.

When and under what circumstances do people think that sex and
abortion are moral issues of concern to everyone?

Others' sex acts (consensual, by definition) not involving you are
none of your damn business.

Sex is not consensual by definition.

The ***** it's not! (Note pun)
People consent to sex every day. Yea, verily - every time _sex_ is
had, it's consensual. The two (or more) parties involved consent to
have sex. That means they agree that everyone's willing to give it a
go.

When someone does not consent to sex, it's called rape.

That means that someone said no, but the other(s) involved did not pay
attention and coerced or forced the person saying no.

That's why there's two different words --

sex (spelled s-e-x) and rape (spelled r-a-p-e).

It's an advanced concept. But necessary and germane to the discussion.

I would also put forth that a woman's decision to have a medical
procedure such as abortion is also none of your damn business, even if
you did donate a sperm sample. It's her body, not yours. I'd even bet
money that you are neither the owner nor an operator of a uterus. So
you don't get a say in what a woman does with her body.

This is an absurd comment.

Only a brainless dolt would say that.

And it's still the woman's body, not yours.

what she does with it. Unless, of course, you're raping her, in which
case that would be bad and wrong.

After having this debate for how many years, we
are still no further than the blindly inane argument that an abortion is
simply a woman having medical procedure on "her own body".

Well, it is -- up to a point.

Then the fetus can be viable outside the
womb, at which point, IMO, most people would agree that it's a baby,

and ya might as well just have it, since it's that far along.

A newly fertilized ovum is not a baby. It's a bunch of cells, with as
much sentience as your discarded toenail clippings.

Then again, this bleeding heart liberal doesn't know any woman who's
ever had an abortion, and all my other bleeding heart liberal women
friends who've had babies never considered an abortion, not even the
single mother of two who was raped.

However, if my sister were raped and got pregnant, and if she wanted
an abortion, I'd drive her to the clinic and hold her hand during the
procedure.

What you and your christstain/republiCUNT (butt-) buddies want is to
remove women's choices arbitrarily.

So, I'll make you a deal -- when men start having the babies, then you
all can have a say about what happens to your own bodies.

Of course, if that ever happened, abortion would become the eighth
holy sacrament in the Catholic church, possibly a rite of passage for
every non-Catholic male.

Does anyone
actually believe that repeating this often often enough will make it
adequate?

Grow a uterus and get pregnant, bunky, then you get to have an
opinion. Until then, HAND.

Of course, anyone with a brain and an 8th grade education knows that

To avoid further embarrassment to yourself I suggest you read the
following:
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/poiswell.html

No fallacy involved, except your own.
Anyone with a brain and an eighth grade education knows

that after the
first six or eight weeks of pregnancy, it's pretty much too late for
an elective abortion.
It's called biology class. Too bad you skipped it.

<snip word salad>

after the first six or eight weeks of pregnancy, it's pretty much too
late for an elective abortion,

Why is too late after six to eight weeks? It's not illegal.

It's also not illegal to take people's money for speculative purposes
on the stock market.

Go take a biology class, and you will learn the answers you seek.

but somehow, in your christstain zeal,
you will trumpet forth the lie that all pro-choice people are
"pro-abortion," and want every woman to have an abort6ion.

For some reason you feel it necessary to promote the misconception that
everyone who questions pro-choice advocates must be a christian.

I did not say that. Read it again.
FREE CLUE: find the word "christian" in what I wrote.

Do you
think that strengthens your position?

I've never met an atheist, agnostic, Buddhist, Shinto, Wiccan,
neo-Pagan, Asatru, secular humanist, or Mithraite who have ever put
forth the lie that all pro-choice people are "pro-abortion" and want
every woman to have an abortion.

The only people who do that are republiCUNTS and/or christstains, such
as yourself.

Go figure -- a cult that preaches to its followers that ramming their
sick religious crap down others' throats under penalty of eternal
damnation (and the threat of imminent death, historically speaking)
demanding that others behave as they preach (not necessarily as they
do).

So I repeat, what's your point?

That sex between people who aren't you is none of your damn business.

You already conceded several instances where that is not the case,

You are terribly confused, as I have done no such thing.
Sex is consensual.
Rape is neither consensual nor sex.
Only an idiot or a serial rapist would maintain otherwise.

so I
repeat, what's your point?

That sex between people who are not you is none of your damn business.
Do try to keep up.

Do try to keep up.

Please upgrade your arguments.

Right after you grasp them and admit defeat by a superior intellect
who just decimated your crap.