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User:	"J Young"
Date:	15 Feb 2006 12:27:05 AM
Object:	Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day

Further proof that virtue and decency is being embraced by a larger portion
of society's young, and growing stronger every day. Keep up the good work
kids!
http://www.christianpost.com/article/society/2257/section/teens.promote.purity.on.valentines.day/1.htm
Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day
Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2006 Posted: 12:08:23PM EST
Teens and youth will stand up for sexual purity today on Valentine's Day by
taking part in the third annual Day of Purity, organizing events to
encourage their churches, organizations or community to take part.
The national event, which will involve hundreds, was organized by the
Liberty Counsel, a conservative Christian legal firm based in Orlando, Fla.
Youths will participate in various outreach activities to spread the message
of abstinence before marriage
--
"Honesty, Integrity, Compassion, and Decency"
.

User: "Bonnie B"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	17 Feb 2006 02:20:04 AM

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 04:15:07 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Dutch"
<no@email.com>

"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:48:15 GMT,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

But when engaged-in by other people, it is absolutely NONE of
their damn business. At all. Whatsoever.

Would that be anything like when a man beats ups his wife or kids,
it's just
a family affair and nobody else's DAMN BUSINESS! That is how our society
used to think a few decades ago, some still do. How about if as a
50-year-
old man you manage to get a 10-year-old boy to meet you for sex? In
other words, simply blurting out unequivocally that something is nobody
else's business is non-responsive and pointless, it does not address the
issues. When and under what circumstances do people think that sex and
abortion are moral issues of concern to everyone?

So I repeat, what's your point?

Before I had the time to respond to you in this post, both "Bonnie B."
and "BOB" had already done so. Excellently!!

Mer�i beaucoup, cupcake <kiss noise>

Anything I could say would
be a redundancy of their responses.

So I encourage you to read their responses. I second them!!

Bonnie B's fallacy-laden effort fell far short,

Only to someone lacking a brain.
Sex is consensual.
Rape is not.
Only an idiot or serial rapist would claim otherwise.

I responded already.

If that's the best you can do, you need remediation in several areas.
And thank you for conceding the argument.

As for
BOB!, give me a break, that nimrod has nothing to contribute but mindless
verbal abuse. I killfiled him long ago.

Didja ever stop to ask yourself why BOB responds to you the way he
does?
Of course not -- you're a christstain, and you're blameless <guffaw>

And I am AMAZED that you could have made such INANE comparisons
in the first place! (And then people of your ilk wonder why SENSIBLE and
fair-minded egalitarians regard you to be complete loons!)

Inability to deal rationally with a word I said duly noted, sorry, I thought
you had something worthwhile to say.

He did. You simply ignored it, like a good littler christstain.
Thanks for conceding the argument.
Also, thanks for proving one of my old axioms -- anything that calls
the dogma of christ-stain-insanity -- ancient or modern -- into
question, **MUST** be wrong, a priori, according to the christstains
drooling in response.

In parting, I remind you of what you said, unequivocally, and categorically:

"But when engaged-in by other people, it is absolutely NONE of their damn
business. At all. Whatsoever."

How true Craig's words are.
No matter how much you fantasize, whack your tiny tool into oblivion,
or wish you were a deity, YOU do not and will NEVER control others'
sex lives
No matter how misogynistic you strive to be, you will NEVER have the
right to force a woman to be a human incubator.
So go ahead -- stew in your own juices, waffle in your wacky
wasteland, remain adrift in your own sea of bile and *****.
Humanity's better off without you anyway.
Your words mean nothing. LOL
Oh, and I fixed your projection for you. You're welcome.
.

User: "Dutch"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	17 Feb 2006 02:36:30 PM

"Bonnie B" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote in message
news:cb1bv1pglg897opobuba5el0i3bikn9e42@fe04.buzzardnews.com...

"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:48:15 GMT,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

But when engaged-in by other people, it is absolutely NONE of
their damn business. At all. Whatsoever.

Would that be anything like when a man beats ups his wife or kids,
it's just
a family affair and nobody else's DAMN BUSINESS! That is how our
society
used to think a few decades ago, some still do. How about if as a
50-year-
old man you manage to get a 10-year-old boy to meet you for sex? In
other words, simply blurting out unequivocally that something is nobody
else's business is non-responsive and pointless, it does not address
the
issues. When and under what circumstances do people think that sex and
abortion are moral issues of concern to everyone?

So I repeat, what's your point?

Before I had the time to respond to you in this post, both "Bonnie
B."
and "BOB" had already done so. Excellently!!

Mer�i beaucoup, cupcake <kiss noise>

What happened to "get a uterus and then you can have an opinion"? Shouldn't
that have been "get a uterus and then you can disagree with me"?

Anything I could say would
be a redundancy of their responses.

So I encourage you to read their responses. I second them!!

Bonnie B's fallacy-laden effort fell far short,

Only to someone lacking a brain.

There's that fallacy again. Seems you don't leave home without it...

Sex is consensual.
Rape is not.
Only an idiot or serial rapist would claim otherwise.

Irrelevant strawman and rhetorical, take your pick.

I responded already.

If that's the best you can do, you need remediation in several areas.
And thank you for conceding the argument.

As for
BOB!, give me a break, that nimrod has nothing to contribute but mindless
verbal abuse. I killfiled him long ago.

Didja ever stop to ask yourself why BOB responds to you the way he
does?
Of course not -- you're a christstain, and you're blameless <guffaw>

I don't care why. He has no arguments, so he's immaterial.

And I am AMAZED that you could have made such INANE comparisons
in the first place! (And then people of your ilk wonder why SENSIBLE
and
fair-minded egalitarians regard you to be complete loons!)

Inability to deal rationally with a word I said duly noted, sorry, I
thought
you had something worthwhile to say.

He did.

No he didn't.
You simply ignored it, like a good littler christstain.

Thanks for conceding the argument.
Also, thanks for proving one of my old axioms -- anything that calls
the dogma of christ-stain-insanity -- ancient or modern -- into
question, **MUST** be wrong, a priori, according to the christstains
drooling in response.

Strawman

In parting, I remind you of what you said, unequivocally, and
categorically:

"But when engaged-in by other people, it is absolutely NONE of their damn
business. At all. Whatsoever."

How true Craig's words are.

How false you mean.. The fact that something is engaged in by "other people"
is absolutely irrelevant to whether or not it is morally considerable, or
other people's business. It's all r-h-e-t-o-r-i-c. It's all you've got.
<snip more drivel>
.

User: "Craig Chilton"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	17 Feb 2006 05:06:46 PM

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:36:30 -0800,
"Dutch" [<Anonymous@COWARD>] wrote:

"Bonnie B" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote:

"Dutch" [<Anonymous@COWARD>] wrote:

"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

"Dutch" [<Anonymous@COWARD>] wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

But when engaged-in by other people, it is absolutely NONE of
their damn business. At all. Whatsoever.

Would that be anything like when a man beats ups his wife or kids,
it's just a family affair and nobody else's DAMN BUSINESS! That is
how our society used to think a few decades ago, some still do. How
about if as a 50-year-old man you manage to get a 10-year-old boy
to meet you for sex? In other words, simply blurting out unequivo-
cally that something is nobody else's business is non-responsive and
pointless, it does not address the issues. When and under what
circumstances do people think that sex and abortion are moral issues
of concern to everyone?

So I repeat, what's your point?

Before I had the time to respond to you in this post, both
"Bonnie B." and "BOB" had already done so. Excellently!!
Anything I could say would be a redundancy of their responses.
So I encourage you to read their responses. I second them!!

Mer�i beaucoup, cupcake <kiss noise>

Likewise, Bonnie!
"Dutch" -- Bonnie told you THIS:
"Only a fool (or sociopath) would compare sticking their
nose into others' consensual affairs with sticking their nose
into a non-consensual matter with which the non-consenting
party needs assistance.
"Sex is consensual, and when you're not involved, it's none
of your damn business. Rape is neither sex nor consensual.
Preventing such harm is everyone's business, so that it doesn't
happen to others."
Those points should be OBVIOUS to anyone having a modicum of
intelligence. Your failure to comprehend such basic facts and to take
them to heart just serves as proof positive of how DENSE you truly
are. But then, you fit the criteria for a lemming of the RRR Cult, so
that should be no surprise. They comprise our country's most
profound DOLTS. A mirror image of the equally-stupid, control-
freakish, hateful and bigoted segregationists who preceded them.

As for BOB!, give me a break, that nimrod has nothing to
contribute but mindless verbal abuse. I killfiled him long ago.

Cowardly OSTRICH that you are. (LOL!!!!)
Thus, he gets to make mincemeat of you in here with IMPUNITY,
and you can't even TRY to rebut him. How... er... "intelligent" on
your part. (ROTFL!!!!)
I remind you again: When casual sex is engaged-in by other
people, it is absolutely NONE of your damn business. Or that of
anyone else. At all. Whatsoever."

How true Craig's words are.

Thanks!

The fact that something is engaged in by "other people" is
absolutely irrelevant...

If you'd quit right there, you'd have been ahead.
But then you BLEW it. ---

... to whether or not it is morally considerable,

"Morally." (ROTFL!!!) There is nothing more LUDICROUS to watch
than an idiotic control-freak whiningly trying to impose his brand of
"morality" on other people. ESPECIALLY when in the process, he's
trying to do it with respect to matters that are not even SLIGHTLY
nor REMOTELY the **least iota** of his business whatsoever.
Know what that makes you?
A **laughingstock.**
Just like all of your other fellow buttinsky and bone-ignorant
RRR Cult losers.

No matter how much you fantasize, whack your tiny tool into
oblivion, or wish you were a deity, YOU do not and will NEVER
control others' sex lives. No matter how misogynistic you strive
to be, you will NEVER have the right to force a woman to be a
human incubator. So go ahead -- stew in your own juices, waffle
in your wacky wasteland, remain adrift in your own sea of bile
and *****.

Humanity's better off without you anyway.

Your words mean nothing. LOL

Ah. And how true YOUR words are, too, Bonnie! You have that
pathetic little weasel of an RRR Cult loser's number 100%.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
.

User: "Dutch"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	17 Feb 2006 08:52:51 PM

"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

As for BOB!, give me a break, that nimrod has nothing to
contribute but mindless verbal abuse. I killfiled him long ago.

Cowardly OSTRICH that you are. (LOL!!!!)

Do you repeatedly step in every pile of dogshit you encounter?

Thus, he gets to make mincemeat

I gave him plenty of opportunities to do so, he never even tried. Has he
changed his tack from uttering mindless verbal abuse to actually addressing
the issues? I sincerely doubt it.

I remind you again: When casual sex is engaged-in by other
people, it is absolutely NONE of your damn business. Or that of
anyone else. At all. Whatsoever."

That is an absurd, empty non-argument. Try this on for size. "When men beat
their wives or children or torture their pets it's a family affair and it is
absolutely none of anyone else's business." Making moral abominations into
privacy issues is one way to go, but it doesn't show much courage.

The fact that something is engaged in by "other people" is
absolutely irrelevant...

If you'd quit right there, you'd have been ahead.

It completely shatters your ludicrous attempt at a <sic> argument above, I'm
glad you can see it.

But then

Then you proceeded to completely ignore the fact that your <sic> argument
was blasted to pieces.
Congratulations.
.

User: "Craig Chilton"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	17 Feb 2006 10:23:18 PM

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:52:51 -0800,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote

"Dutch" [<Anonymous@COWARD>] wrote:

"Bonnie B" <bonnieb@fifismaxi.pad> wrote:

"Dutch" [<Anonymous@COWARD>] wrote:

As for BOB!, give me a break, that nimrod has nothing to
contribute but mindless verbal abuse. I killfiled him long ago.

Cowardly OSTRICH that you are. (LOL!!!!)

Do you repeatedly step in every pile of dogshit you encounter?

LOL!!! GOTCHA!!!!
The truth hurts, doesn't it? ROTFL!!!! What a *joke* you are!

Thus, he gets to make mincemeat of you in here with IMPUNITY,
and you can't even TRY to rebut him. How... er... "intelligent" on
your part. (ROTFL!!!!)

I gave him plenty of opportunities to do so, he never even tried.
Has he changed his tack from uttering mindless verbal abuse to actually
addressing the issues? I sincerely doubt it.

Considering your total inability to deal with relevant FACTS, he
couldn't possibly do any worse than you do. So -- he made dog meat
of you, and you bailed! A case of your not being able to take the
heat, so you got out of the kitchen. (Well, what the hell? If you can't
run with the big dogs, run with the head lice instead, right?)

I remind you again: When casual sex is engaged-in by other
people, it is absolutely NONE of your damn business. Or that of
anyone else. At all. Whatsoever."

That is an absurd, empty non-argument.

Bullcrap!! If you mind other people's business regarding their
personal and private affairs and decisions, you are a BUSYBODY,
plain and simple. And when you are *stupid* enough to whine about
it in public, *that* makes you a control-freak.
And control-freaks are the world's most MINDLESS people.
Laughingstocks extraordinaire!!

Try this on for size. "When men beat their wives or children or
torture their pets it's a family affair and it is absolutely none of
anyone else's business."

Get back to us if you EVER manage to grow enough of a brain
to discern between that which is harmful abuse, and that which is
consensual and harmless.
You can't tell the obvious difference between apples and oranges.

Making moral abominations into privacy issues is one way to go,
but it doesn't show much courage.

Probably not, if I were doing it. But YOU are the one making
*absurd* comparisons between harmful abuse (i.e., actual "moral
abominations") and harmless & enjoyable recreation. (Damn, but
you are *truly* a total LOON!!)

The fact that something is engaged in by "other people" is
absolutely irrelevant...

If you'd've quit right there, you'd've been ahead.

It completely shatters your ludicrous attempt at [an] argument
above, I'm glad you can see it.

[[[ LOL!!! That's it, folks! He's TOTALLY lost his mind!
If, in fact, he ever had one to begin with. ]]]

But thenyou BLEW it. ---

... to whether or not it is morally considerable,

"Morally." (ROTFL!!!) There is nothing more LUDICROUS to watch
than an idiotic control-freak whiningly trying to impose his brand of
"morality" on other people. ESPECIALLY when in the process, he's
trying to do it with respect to matters that are not even SLIGHTLY
nor REMOTELY the **least iota** of his business whatsoever.

Know what that makes you?

A **laughingstock.**

Just like all of your other fellow buttinsky and bone-ignorant
RRR Cult losers.

Ah. And how true YOUR words are, too, Bonnie! You have that
pathetic little weasel of an RRR Cult loser's number 100%.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
RRR Cultists' mindless and hateful **obsession** with
something so TRIVIAL as the way other people happen to
legally enjoy sex -- is *more* than enough clear and positive
PROOF that they are social retards. Losers. The figurative
equivalent of sewer rat turds floating in the punchbowl of
humanity.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
.

User: "Dutch"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	17 Feb 2006 11:23:29 PM

"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> fat dwarf blabbered

As for BOB!, give me a break, that nimrod has nothing to
contribute but mindless verbal abuse. I killfiled him long ago.

Cowardly OSTRICH that you are. (LOL!!!!)

Do you repeatedly step in every pile of dogshit you encounter?

LOL!!! GOTCHA!!!!

Huh? Non-sequitor. Do you or don't you? His spew is worth less than dogshit,
end of story.
Your, obviously are cut from the same cloth. You know you can't win with the
truth so you close your eyes and scream insults until your opponents get
bored and leave. Then you declare victory.
Only on usenet!

Thus, he gets to make mincemeat of you in here with IMPUNITY,
and you can't even TRY to rebut him. How... er... "intelligent" on
your part. (ROTFL!!!!)

I gave him plenty of opportunities to do so, he never even tried.
Has he changed his tack from uttering mindless verbal abuse to actually
addressing the issues? I sincerely doubt it.

Considering

Considering he made no attempt to argue the issues seriously, and showed no
inclination to do so, I killfiled him. You're headed the same way, which is
obviously what you want. You know intuitively that if you attempt to discuss
the issues you'll be up ***** creek.

I remind you again: When casual sex is engaged-in by other
people, it is absolutely NONE of your damn business. Or that of
anyone else. At all. Whatsoever."

That is an absurd, empty non-argument.

Bullcrap!!

No, FACT.

If you mind other people's business regarding their
personal and private affairs and decisions

Begging the question fallacy.

you are a BUSYBODY,
plain and simple. And when you are *stupid* enough to whine about
it in public, *that* makes you a control-freak.

And control-freaks are the world's most MINDLESS people.

Laughingstocks extraordinaire!!

Try to focus will you, for once?

Try this on for size. "When men beat their wives or children or
torture their pets it's a family affair and it is absolutely none of
anyone else's business."

Get back to us if you EVER manage to grow enough of a brain
to discern between that which is harmful abuse, and that which is
consensual and harmless.

Harmless to whom? Are you telling me that unplanned pregnancies and
abortions are harmless? You ARE living on another planet.

You can't tell the obvious difference between apples and oranges.

I can recognize when someone is trying to gloss over the wholesale taking of
human lives, so I am not blind to all obvious facts.

Making moral abominations into privacy issues is one way to go,
but it doesn't show much courage.

Probably not, if I were doing it.

You ARE doing it. You are making the issue *sex* per se, when that is NOT
the issue at all, the issue is irresponsible unprotected vaginal
intercourse, resulting in unplanned pregancy, leading to the taking of a
million human lives in the USA every year. It has NOTHING to do with
privacy.

But YOU are the one making
*absurd* comparisons between harmful abuse (i.e., actual "moral
abominations") and harmless & enjoyable recreation. (Damn, but
you are *truly* a total LOON!!)

Harmless recreation was never an issue raised by me, that's YOUR strawman. I
am referring to patently irresponsible and harmful behaviour.

The fact that something is engaged in by "other people" is
absolutely irrelevant...

If you'd've quit right there, you'd've been ahead.

It completely shatters your ludicrous attempt at [an] argument
above, I'm glad you can see it.

[[[ LOL!!! That's it, folks! He's TOTALLY lost his mind!
If, in fact, he ever had one to begin with. ]]]

Try reading for comprehension. You attempted to make this a privacy issue
because of the fact that unplanned pregnancies and abortions happen to
"other people" as if that matters. All irresponsible, illegal, and immoral
behaviour happens to or is commited by "other people", that makes NO
difference.
You pro-choice sucks are the biggest idiots I've encountered yet.
.

User: "Craig Chilton"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	18 Feb 2006 12:41:00 AM

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:23:29 -0800,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> fat dwarf blabbered

As for BOB!, give me a break, that nimrod has nothing to
contribute but mindless verbal abuse. I killfiled him long ago.

Cowardly OSTRICH that you are. (LOL!!!!)

Do you repeatedly step in every pile of dogshit you encounter?

LOL!!! GOTCHA!!!!

The truth hurts, doesn't it? ROTFL!!!! What a *joke* you are!

Your, obviously are cut from the same cloth.

Grammar your long suit, is it??

You know you can't win with the truth...

LOL!!! You wouldn't know the truth if it were a lion and it bit
you in the butt.

Thus, he gets to make mincemeat of you in here with IMPUNITY,
and you can't even TRY to rebut him. How... er... "intelligent" on
your part. (ROTFL!!!!)

I gave him plenty of opportunities to do so, he never even tried.
Has he changed his tack from uttering mindless verbal abuse to actually
addressing the issues? I sincerely doubt it.

Considering he made no attempt to argue the issues seriously...

If all he were to do would be to call you a moron, he'd probably
make more sense with that single sentence than everything you've
ever said in here, combined.

...and showed no inclination to do so...

He just *vivisected* your childish and fact-free arguments.
Forget grammar. LYING is your long suit.

I killfiled him. You're headed the same way, which is obviously what
you want.

CLUE: I couldn't care less if you're dumb enough to make an
asinine ostrich of yourself in that manner. Why not go on a hunger strike
at the same time? Then I can have TWO things to laugh at you about.
The only person killfiling hurts is the ostrich.
In some of these groups, we used to have an Anti-Choice loon who
called himself "Papa Jack" (GRHS). He killfiled me 3 or 4 years before
he passed away. And whenever he made a particularly foolish move
on the Anti-Choice front, I had a field day with him... and because I
was killfiled, and don't change my Username in here (except rarely, to
make a comment), I did it with impunity. He couldn't even TRY to make
a rebuttal.

You know intuitively that if you attempt to discuss the issues
you'll be up ***** creek.

REALLY??? (LOL!!!! Boy, is *this* guy ever an ignoramus!)
Okay. Try this: Provide so much as one solid FACT that justifies
your inane and hateful stance of seeking to have millions of women
FORCED into gestating to term against their will. FACT!!! *Not*
opinion.

I remind you again: When casual sex is engaged-in by other
people, it is absolutely NONE of your damn business. Or that of
anyone else. At all. Whatsoever."

That is an absurd, empty non-argument.

Bullcrap!!

No, FACT.

You wouldn't know a fact if it were an abyss and you fell into it.

If you mind other people's business regarding their
personal and private affairs and decisions, you are a BUSYBODY,
plain and simple. And when you are *stupid* enough to whine
about it in public, *that* makes you a control-freak.

And control-freaks are the world's most MINDLESS people.

Laughingstocks extraordinaire!!

Try to focus will you, for once?

ROTFL!!!! [[[ READERS: If this is the best thing he can do
by way of a "rebuttal," he needs top re-take
kindergarten! ]]]

Try this on for size. "When men beat their wives or children or
torture their pets it's a family affair and it is absolutely none of
anyone else's business."

Get back to us if you EVER manage to grow enough of a brain
to discern between that which is harmful abuse, and that which is
consensual and harmless.

Harmless to whom? Are you telling me that unplanned pregnancies
and abortions are harmless?

No and yes. Unplanned pregnancies are not harmless, since they have
the potential of derailing important future plans and aspirations of the
girl or woman forever if she doesn't choose to have it undone/reversed
via the remedy of abortion. Or even if she has the abortion, there's
still the matter of the inconvenience, the discomfort, and the fee.
Abortion, however, being nothing more than a valuable and beneficial
REMEDY **is** harmless. Per the CDC's statistics, carrying-to-term
as a TEN TIMES HIGHER mortality rate.
And just to further reveal to the readers the level of ignorance and
hypocrisy of Anti-Choicers like you, there's THIS:
More than a QUADRILLION reproductive-process entities are termin-
ated DAILY, worldwide... by MEN? Yep. The elective abortion of that
many Stage One entities of the reproductive process. Gametes. ALL
of which... JUST like the Stage 2, 3, and 4 entities (zygotes, embryoes,
and fetuses)... are human, *potential* people, unique, and *alive*.
(LOL!!! So much for that lying garbage spewed by Anti-Choicers that
"life begins at fertilization." They need to have a look at a sperm.
DEAD sperm don't have tails that wriggle!)

You can't tell the obvious difference between apples and oranges.

I can recognize when someone is trying to gloss over the wholesale
taking of human lives, so I am not blind to all obvious facts.

The ONLY human lives that have *any* intrinsic value are PEOPLE.
And personhood, per both the Bible, and our laws, BEFIND at BIRTH.

Making moral abominations into privacy issues is one way to go,
but it doesn't show much courage.

Probably not, if I were doing it.

You ARE doing it. You are making the issue *sex* per se, when that
is NOT the issue at all...

Bullcrap!! Try reading the subject header, loon. That's ALL that
this thread is about. YOU are the one who wandered down an OFF-topic
rabbit path and started WHINING about the NON-issue of abortion.

...the issue is irresponsible unprotected vaginal intercourse,...

For YOU, maybe. NO big deal!!

... resulting in unplanned pregancy...

Which is CURABLE. *Again* -- NO big deal!! Like taking an aspirin,
applying a Band-Aid, or having a broken arm set.

...leading to the taking of a million human lives in the USA
every year. ...

Which are the EQUIVALENT, from that standpoint of their worthless-
ness when UNwanted, as the **quadrillion** such "lives" taken by the
elective abortions MEN perform worldwide, DAILY.

It has NOTHING to do with privacy.

It has EVERYTHING to do with privacy, buttinskyish and control-
freakish loon. NONE of your business whatsoever. At all. N-O-N-E.
You are brainless!!

But YOU are the one making *absurd* comparisons between
harmful abuse (i.e., actual "moral abominations") and harmless
& enjoyable recreation. (Damn, but you are *truly* a total LOON!!)

I am referring to patently irresponsible and harmful behaviour.

And totally FAILING in your LAME attempt.

The fact that something is engaged in by "other people" is
absolutely irrelevant...

If you'd've quit right there, you'd've been ahead.

It completely shatters your ludicrous attempt at [an] argument
above, I'm glad you can see it.

[[[ LOL!!! That's it, folks! He's TOTALLY lost his mind!
If, in fact, he ever had one to begin with. ]]]

Try reading for comprehension. You attempted to make this a
privacy issue because of the fact that unplanned pregnancies and
abortions happen to "other people" as if that matters.

I "attempted" nothing. Consensual and legal sex, *and* abortion,
ARE the personal and private matters of those involved. And NO one
else!!

All irresponsible, illegal, and immoral behaviour...

Such as your mindless, hateful, and bigoted control-freakism?
You are a COMPLETE jerk. Thanks for continuing to PROVE it
to society. It helps to raise their awareness of RRR Cult lemmings
as the detrimental *sociopaths* that they truly are.
-- Craig Chilton

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
.

User: "Dutch"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	18 Feb 2006 01:16:51 AM

"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> blabbered meaninglessly

The only person killfiling hurts is the ostrich.

When I step around a steaming pile of ***** it keeps my shoe clean.

In some of these groups, we used to have an Anti-Choice
He couldn't even TRY to make
a rebuttal.

There is no point attempting to rebut a raving lunatic. It's a waste of
time.

You know intuitively that if you attempt to discuss the issues
you'll be up ***** creek.

REALLY???

Really. It's the only logical explanation for your tirades.

Okay. Try this: Provide so much as one solid FACT that justifies
your inane and hateful stance of seeking to have millions of women
FORCED into gestating to term against their will. FACT!!! *Not*
opinion.

OK, if I were going to make such an argument I would start by pointing out
the FACT that millions of abortions equals millions of human lives snuffed
out without ever getting a chance to see the light of day.
[..]

Get back to us if you EVER manage to grow enough of a brain
to discern between that which is harmful abuse, and that which is
consensual and harmless.

Harmless to whom? Are you telling me that unplanned pregnancies
and abortions are harmless?

No and yes

Brilliant, so irresponsible sex is NOT "harmless".

What about the destruction of a human life?

Abortion, however, being nothing more than a valuable and beneficial
REMEDY **is** harmless. Per the CDC's statistics, carrying-to-term
as a TEN TIMES HIGHER mortality rate.

Not counting the life that is destroyed.

And just to further reveal to the readers the level of ignorance and
hypocrisy of Anti-Choicers like you, there's THIS:

More than a QUADRILLION reproductive-process entities are termin-
ated DAILY, worldwide... by MEN? \

Sperm are not human lives. "reproductive-process entities"?!? What a fucking
dipshit you are.

You can't tell the obvious difference between apples and oranges.

I can recognize when someone is trying to gloss over the wholesale
taking of human lives, so I am not blind to all obvious facts.

The ONLY human lives that have *any* intrinsic value are PEOPLE.

Says who?

And personhood, per both the Bible, and our laws, BEFIND at BIRTH.

Laws value fetuses equal to human beings. An assault on woman resulting in a
miscarriage is homicide.

Making moral abominations into privacy issues is one way to go,
but it doesn't show much courage.

Probably not, if I were doing it.

You ARE doing it. You are making the issue *sex* per se, when that
is NOT the issue at all...

Bullcrap!!

No, fact.

...the issue is irresponsible unprotected vaginal intercourse,...

For YOU, maybe. NO big deal!!

... resulting in unplanned pregancy...

Which is CURABLE. *Again* -- NO big deal!! Like taking an aspirin,
applying a Band-Aid, or having a broken arm set.

Scumbag, putrid festering boil of a human being. YOU should have been
aborted.

...leading to the taking of a million human lives in the USA
every year. ...

Which are the EQUIVALENT, from that standpoint of their worthless-
ness when UNwanted, as the **quadrillion** such "lives" taken by the
elective abortions MEN perform worldwide, DAILY.

<snip> I can't stand the stench.
.

User: "Craig Chilton"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	18 Feb 2006 02:01:53 AM

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:16:51 -0800,
"Dutch" <Anonymous@COWARD.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

When I step around a steaming pile of ***** it keeps my shoe clean.

How do you manage that, since you ARE that steaming pile of *****?
As a mindless, hateful, and control-freakish busybody, you obviously
have NO redeeming social significance.

In some of these groups, we used to have an Anti-Choice loon who
called himself "Papa Jack" (GRHS). He killfiled me 3 or 4 years before
he passed away. And whenever he made a particularly foolish move
on the Anti-Choice front, I had a field day with him... and because I
was killfiled, and don't change my Username in here (except rarely, to
make a comment), I did it with impunity. He couldn't even TRY to make
a rebuttal.

There is no point attempting to rebut a raving lunatic. It's a waste of
time.

And yet I keep doing it to you anyway. What the hell? It's FUN
keeping you active at making a total ***** of yourself in public. Helps
society to grow in its awareness of just how dumb and sociopathic you
hateful Anti-Choicers are. Contributes to the hastening of the day when
society will reach critical mass in that regard and REJECT your loathsome
agenda against personal liberties. Sending Anti-Choice into EXTINCTION,
where it belongs, where it can join the agenda of the EQUALLY-stupid
segregationists.
WORKS for me!! Keep it up!!
(It's as I enjoy telling readers every now and then -- "HOW *dumb*
are the RRR Cultists? They are SO dumb, one can keep encouraging
them to keep posting their hate-swill... and they are so dumb, they
can't even figure out that this is a key strategy of ours for the ultimate
*destruction* of their agendas. Even when we TELL them so! (And
*that* is REALLY dumb!! Just keep 'em posting their abject stupidity, so
that the public gets constant reminders of just how sociopathic the RRR
Cultists really are!")
[ ... ]

OK, if I were going to make such an argument I would start by
pointing out the FACT that millions of abortions equals millions of
human lives snuffed out without ever getting a chance to see the
light of day.

And the FACT is that the same is done to a QUADRILLION times over,
electively, by *men* -- DAILY -- worldwide. Every one of those gametes
ALSO is human, a *potential* person, unique, and ALIVE. (Thus --
literally "human lives." And you hypocritical loony tunes look the other
way and whistle a tune while that's happening. What a bunch of dumb
clucks!! ESPECIALLY since ALL of those entities... the ones you defend
and the ones you hypocritically don't... are WORTHLESS, since they are
unwanted, by hosts who want nothing to do with them. So your "fact"
is NOT relevant, and therefore does NOT justify imposing a 9-month-long
form of forcible rape upon ANY woman.)
[ ... ]

Get back to us if you EVER manage to grow enough of a brain
to discern between that which is harmful abuse, and that which is
consensual and harmless.

Harmless to whom? Are you telling me that unplanned pregnancies
and abortions are harmless?

No and yes.

Brilliant, so irresponsible sex is NOT "harmless".

No. I said that **unplanned pregnancies** are not harmless, for the
reason stated below (Can't you even READ, you moron???), and for that
reason ONLY. "Irresponsibility" is IRRELEVANT. Since only those involved
have any right to consider whether or not it was. That's NONE of your
business, nor is it anyone else's.
Were you born with a Busybody Gene? Or just a severe shortage of
neurons? Or both? Because Busybodyism is pretty much the DUMBEST
thing anyone can possibly involve himself in. (Talk about having NO life!)

<IDIOCY-flush>

Abortion, however, being nothing more than a valuable and beneficial
REMEDY **is** harmless. Per the CDC's statistics, carrying-to-term
as a TEN TIMES HIGHER mortality rate.

<IDIOCY-flush>

Sperm are not human lives.

They contain DNA that is *human*. And they ARE alive. But just like
the worthless (due to being UNwanted) z/e/fs that you WHINE about,
they are NOT people. NO reproductive-process entities are EVER
regarded or defended as people, anywhere in the Bible. The ONLY time
that a fetus is defended therein, it is as PROPERTY. In a passage that
**condones slavery**.

"reproductive-process entities"?!?

Yes, moron. Find a dictionary. EDUCATE yourself!

What a fucking dipshit...

Ah. Looking in mirrors again?

You can't tell the obvious difference between apples and oranges.

I can recognize when someone is trying to gloss over the wholesale
taking of human lives, so I am not blind to all obvious facts.

The ONLY human lives that have *any* intrinsic value are PEOPLE.

Says who?

Try the Bible, if that has any meaning for you. PERSONHOOD begins at
*birth*. As is made quite clear in the passages dealing with:
-- BIRTHrights
-- BIRTH order
-- First-BORNS
-- Ex. 21:20-25 (to which I referred above.)

And personhood, per both the Bible, and our laws, BEFIND at BIRTH.

Laws value fetuses equal to human beings. An assault on woman
resulting in a miscarriage is homicide.

Only in a few jurisdictions. And then ONLY because the assumption
is made that she would have produced a person, had she not been
attacked.
However, if a woman chooses to get an abortion, then there is NO
homicide. Which proves that the law does NOT give special status to
mere embryos or fetuses.

Making moral abominations into privacy issues is one way to go,
but it doesn't show much courage.

Probably not, if I were doing it.

You ARE doing it. You are making the issue *sex* per se, when that
is NOT the issue at all...

Bullcrap!!

No, fact.

Nope. PURE bullcrap, in its smelliest form.

...the issue is irresponsible unprotected vaginal intercourse,...

For YOU, maybe. NO big deal!!

... resulting in unplanned pregancy...

Which is CURABLE. *Again* -- NO big deal!! Like taking an aspirin,
applying a Band-Aid, or having a broken arm set.

S cumbag, putrid festering boil of a human being. YOU should have been
aborted.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Tough luck for you and your *mindless* and loath-
some collection of sociopaths that I wasn't I don't just post here in
Usenet against your stupidity. I publish books and literature against it.
And do guest appearances on radio and TV. And in public debates, I make
dog meat out of pathetic little morons like you.
And I'll KEEP doing all of that until your loathsome agendas joins that
of the segregationists, in extinction.

...leading to the taking of a million human lives in the USA
every year. ...

Which are the EQUIVALENT, from that standpoint of their worthless-
ness when UNwanted, as the **quadrillion** such "lives" taken by the
elective abortions MEN perform worldwide, DAILY.

It has NOTHING to do with privacy.

It has EVERYTHING to do with privacy, buttinskyish and control-
freakish loon. NONE of your business whatsoever. At all. N-O-N-E.
You are brainless!!

But YOU are the one making *absurd* comparisons between
harmful abuse (i.e., actual "moral abominations") and harmless
& enjoyable recreation. (Damn, but you are *truly* a total LOON!!)

I am referring to patently irresponsible and harmful behaviour.

And totally FAILING in your LAME attempt.

The fact that something is engaged in by "other people" is
absolutely irrelevant...

If you'd've quit right there, you'd've been ahead.

It completely shatters your ludicrous attempt at [an] argument
above, I'm glad you can see it.

[[[ LOL!!! That's it, folks! He's TOTALLY lost his mind!
If, in fact, he ever had one to begin with. ]]]

Try reading for comprehension. You attempted to make this a
privacy issue because of the fact that unplanned pregnancies and
abortions happen to "other people" as if that matters.

I "attempted" nothing. Consensual and legal sex, *and* abortion,
ARE the personal and private matters of those involved. And NO one
else!!

All irresponsible, illegal, and immoral behaviour...

Such as your mindless, hateful, and bigoted control-freakism?

You are a COMPLETE jerk. Thanks for continuing to PROVE it
to society. It helps to raise their awareness of RRR Cult lemmings
as the detrimental *sociopaths* that they truly are.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (oz/e/offs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
.

User: "Dutch"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	18 Feb 2006 02:38:03 AM

"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> spewed

The only person killfiling hurts is the ostrich.

When I step around a steaming pile of ***** it keeps my shoe clean.

How do you manage that,

Easy, <plonk> It's the recommended way to deal with trolls and idiots on
usenet.

There is no point attempting to rebut a raving lunatic. It's a waste
of
time.

And yet I keep

Getting me to respond to you anyway, but not for long. I know futility when
I see it.
[..]

OK, if I were going to make such an argument I would start by
pointing out the FACT that millions of abortions equals millions of
human lives snuffed out without ever getting a chance to see the
light of day.

And the FACT is that the same is done to a QUADRILLION times over,
electively, by *men*

That is a LIE. A male sperm is not a human life.

[ ... ]

Get back to us if you EVER manage to grow enough of a brain
to discern between that which is harmful abuse, and that which is
consensual and harmless.

Harmless to whom? Are you telling me that unplanned pregnancies
and abortions are harmless?

No and yes.

Brilliant, so irresponsible sex is NOT "harmless".

No. I said that **unplanned pregnancies** are not harmless

That's what this discussion is all about MORON. Have you forgotten that
"casual sex" was always your strawman?

Sperm are not human lives.

They contain DNA that is *human*. And they ARE alive.

They are not a human life <period>
<snip *****>
[..]

Laws value fetuses equal to human beings. An assault on woman
resulting in a miscarriage is homicide.

Only in a few jurisdictions.

Another lie.

And then ONLY because the assumption
is made that she would have produced a person, had she not been
attacked.

Pretty good assumption.

However, if a woman chooses to get an abortion, then there is NO
homicide. Which proves that the law does NOT give special status to
mere embryos or fetuses.

No it does not. That status is already given by the existence of the
homicide statute. The abortion right only gives her special dominion over
that life, it does not erase the status it otherwise holds.
You choose to lie about what a fetus is for some twisted suckholing personal
reason, that's your choice.
.

User: "Craig Chilton"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	18 Feb 2006 03:30:15 AM

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:38:03 -0800,
Bigoted Loser, "Dutch" <Anonymous@COWARD.com> spewed:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

Bigoted Loser, "Dutch" <Anonymous@COWARD.com> spewed:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

Bigoted Loser, "Dutch" <Anonymous@COWARD.com> spewed:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

[[[ READERS: Many of the parts of this in which I absolutely
**proved** this bigoted loser wrong were dishonestly
*deleted* by him in his response -- even though they were
still relevant to the discussion. ALL of that material has
been *restored* in THIS post... and continues to INDICT
his idiotic... er... "arguments." ]]]

The only person killfiling hurts is the ostrich.

When I step around a steaming pile of ***** it keeps my shoe clean.

How do you manage that, since you ARE that steaming pile of *****?
As a mindless, hateful, and control-freakish busybody, you obviously
have NO redeeming social significance.

Easy, <plonk> It's the recommended way to deal with trolls and idiots
on Usenet.

LOL!!!! Sure it is. If you listen to the *idiots* who tell you that.
Feel free to do that to me whenever you want. Then I'll REALLY have
a field day with your posts. I'll be making dog meat of you with total
impunity, and you won't even see yourself being ground into mincemeat.
Works for me!! LOL!!!!

There is no point attempting to rebut a raving lunatic. It's a waste
of time.

And yet I keep doing it to you anyway. What the hell? It's FUN
keeping you active at making a total ***** of yourself in public. Helps
society to grow in its awareness of just how dumb and sociopathic you
hateful Anti-Choicers are. Contributes to the hastening of the day when
society will reach critical mass in that regard and REJECT your loathsome
agenda against personal liberties. Sending Anti-Choice into EXTINCTION,
where it belongs, where it can join the agenda of the EQUALLY-stupid
segregationists.

WORKS for me!! Keep it up!!

(It's as I enjoy telling readers every now and then -- "HOW *dumb*
are the RRR Cultists? They are SO dumb, one can keep encouraging
them to keep posting their hate-swill... and they are so dumb, they
can't even figure out that this is a key strategy of ours for the ultimate
*destruction* of their agendas. Even when we TELL them so! (And
*that* is REALLY dumb!! Just keep 'em posting their abject stupidity, so
that the public gets constant reminders of just how sociopathic the RRR
Cultists really are!")

Getting me to respond to you anyway, but not for long. I know futility
when I see it.

That just *may* be the SMARTEST thing you've ever said. But I really
don't think you're that intelligent. As I pointed out in the <<restored>>
paragraphs above. Anti-Choice/RRR Cult loons are FAR from being the
brightest candles in the lamp shop. You haven't produced so much as even
ONE single relevant FACT in all of these *inane* posts of yours. What a
laughingstock.
[ .. ]

OK, if I were going to make such an argument I would start by
pointing out the FACT that millions of abortions equals millions of
human lives snuffed out without ever getting a chance to see the
light of day.

And the FACT is that the same is done to a QUADRILLION times over,
electively, by *men*-- DAILY -- worldwide. Every one of those gametes
ALSO is human, a *potential* person, unique, and ALIVE. (Thus --
literally "human lives." And you hypocritical loony tunes look the other
way and whistle a tune while that's happening. What a bunch of dumb
clucks!! ESPECIALLY since ALL of those entities... the ones you defend
and the ones you hypocritically don't... are WORTHLESS, since they are
unwanted, by hosts who want nothing to do with them. So your "fact"
is NOT relevant, and therefore does NOT justify imposing a 9-month-long
form of forcible rape upon ANY woman.)

That is a LIE. A male sperm is not a human life.

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dumb, dumber, and 'dumberer'!"
He says this AFTER I've pointed out to him that all organic matter is
either alive or it is dead. And that human sperm contain DNA that is
human... so they ARE human. And that since they wriggle, and actively
penetrate ova, they are ALIVE.
Human life.
Q.E.D.
(LOL!!!!! What a tool!)
As I told you before... Stage One entities of the human reproductive
process are -- JUST like the *other* three stages -- human, *potential*
people, unique, and alive. And ALL of those are **worthless** when
they are UNwanted. And are not even **remotely** PEOPLE.
[ ... ]

Get back to us if you EVER manage to grow enough of a brain
to discern between that which is harmful abuse, and that which is
consensual and harmless.

Harmless to whom? Are you telling me that unplanned pregnancies
and abortions are harmless?

No and yes.

Brilliant, so irresponsible sex is NOT "harmless".

No. I said that **unplanned pregnancies** are not harmless,...

That's what this discussion is all about MORON.

YOU are the moron. Look at the subject header. The ONLY one
making a big deal over abortion in a thread having to do only with
SEX is idiotic *you*.
Abortion is merely a REMEDY.
A harmless, and highly-VALUABLE and BENEFICIAL *remedy*.
Therefore, as much a NON-issue as you are a complete loon.

... for the reason stated below (Can't you even READ, you moron???),
and for that reason ONLY. "Irresponsibility" is IRRELEVANT. Since only
those involved have any right to consider whether or not it was. That's
NONE of your business, nor is it anyone else's.

Were you born with a Busybody Gene? Or just a severe shortage of
neurons? Or both? Because Busybodyism is pretty much the DUMBEST
thing anyone can possibly involve himself in. (Talk about having NO life!)

Unplanned pregnancies are not harmless, since they have
the potential of derailing important future plans and aspirations of the
girl or woman forever if she doesn't choose to have it undone/reversed
via the remedy of abortion. Or even if she has the abortion, there's
still the matter of the inconvenience, the discomfort, and the fee.
Abortion, however, being nothing more than a valuable and beneficial
REMEDY **is** harmless. Per the CDC's statistics, carrying-to-term
as a TEN TIMES HIGHER mortality rate.

And just to further reveal to the readers the level of ignorance and
hypocrisy of Anti-Choicers like you, there's THIS:

More than a QUADRILLION reproductive-process entities are termin-
ated DAILY, worldwide... by MEN?

Sperm are not human lives.

They contain DNA that is *human*. And they ARE alive...

They are not a human life <period>

IGNORANCE-S-U.
ROTFL!!!!!! (**What** a mindless tool.)

...But just like the worthless (due to being UNwanted) z/e/fs that
you WHINE about, they are NOT people. NO reproductive-process
entities are EVER regarded or defended as people, anywhere in the
Bible. The ONLY time that a fetus is defended therein, it is as
PROPERTY. In a passage that **condones slavery**.

"reproductive-process entities"?!?

Yes, moron. Find a dictionary. EDUCATE yourself!

What a fucking dipshit...

Ah. Looking in mirrors again?

You can't tell the obvious difference between apples and oranges.

I can recognize when someone is trying to gloss over the wholesale
taking of human lives, so I am not blind to all obvious facts.

The ONLY human lives that have *any* intrinsic value are PEOPLE.

Says who?

Try the Bible, if that has any meaning for you. PERSONHOOD begins at
*birth*. As is made quite clear in the passages dealing with:

-- BIRTHrights
-- BIRTH order
-- First-BORNS
-- Ex. 21:20-25 (to which I referred above.)

And personhood, per both the Bible, and our laws, BEGIN at BIRTH.

Laws value fetuses equal to human beings. An assault on woman
resulting in a miscarriage is homicide.

Only in a few jurisdictions.

Another lie.

Wrong. Truth. (But THANKS for this further demonstration of
your abject ignorance. MORE nails into the coffin lid of your loath-
some agenda against women.)

And then ONLY because the assumption is made that she
would have produced a person, had she not been attacked.

Pretty good assumption.

Not really. What if she happened to get attacked by the assailant as
she was on her way to the abortion clinic. That's possible. And she might
not tell that to the authorities SO that the criminal could get a heavier
penalty.

However, if a woman chooses to get an abortion, then there is NO
homicide. Which proves that the law does NOT give special status to
mere embryos or fetuses.

Wrong again. The fetus is WORTHLESS in the eyes of the law
UNLESS it is injured in the course of an attack upon the woman.
And then, ONLY if such a law happens to exist in that jurisdiction.
[ ... ]

...the issue is irresponsible unprotected vaginal intercourse,...

For YOU, maybe. NO big deal!!

... resulting in unplanned pregancy...

Which is CURABLE. *Again* -- NO big deal!! Like taking an aspirin,
applying a Band-Aid, or having a broken arm set.

S cumbag, putrid festering boil of a human being. YOU should have
been aborted.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! Tough luck for you and your *mindless* and loath-
some collection of sociopaths that I wasn't I don't just post here in
Usenet against your stupidity. I publish books and literature against it.
And do guest appearances on radio and TV. And in public debates, I make
dog meat out of pathetic little morons like you.

And I'll KEEP doing all of that until your loathsome agendas joins that
of the segregationists, in extinction.

...leading to the taking of a million human lives in the USA
every year. ...

Which are the EQUIVALENT, from that standpoint of their worthless-
ness when UNwanted, as the **quadrillion** such "lives" taken by the
elective abortions MEN perform worldwide, DAILY.

It has NOTHING to do with privacy.

It has EVERYTHING to do with privacy, buttinskyish and control-
freakish loon. NONE of your business whatsoever. At all. N-O-N-E.
You are brainless!!

But YOU are the one making *absurd* comparisons between
harmful abuse (i.e., actual "moral abominations") and harmless
& enjoyable recreation. (Damn, but you are *truly* a total LOON!!)

I am referring to patently irresponsible and harmful behaviour.

And totally FAILING in your LAME attempt.

The fact that something is engaged in by "other people" is
absolutely irrelevant...

If you'd've quit right there, you'd've been ahead.

It completely shatters your ludicrous attempt at [an] argument
above, I'm glad you can see it.

[[[ LOL!!! That's it, folks! He's TOTALLY lost his mind!
If, in fact, he ever had one to begin with. ]]]

Try reading for comprehension. You attempted to make this a
privacy issue because of the fact that unplanned pregnancies and
abortions happen to "other people" as if that matters.

I "attempted" nothing. Consensual and legal sex, *and* abortion,
ARE the personal and private matters of those involved. And NO one
else!!

All irresponsible, illegal, and immoral behaviour...

Such as your mindless, hateful, and bigoted control-freakism?

You are a COMPLETE jerk. Thanks for continuing to PROVE it
to society. It helps to raise their awareness of RRR Cult lemmings
as the detrimental *sociopaths* that they truly are.

-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The RIGHT of Access to Safe and Legal Abortion
(Anti-Choicer) "Sneechres" wrote, while cowering behind her alias:
"So where in the constitution is abortion, Ray? The closest
thing a far as I could tell is the tenth amendment."
(Pro-Choicer) Ray Fischer (NOT hiding behind an alias), responded:
"4th amendment:
'The right of the people to be secure in their PERSONS, houses,
papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and
seizures, shall not be violated.'
"Thus pregnant women have the right to be free from government
intrusion into their bodies.
"5th amendment:
'No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property,
without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken
for public use, without just compensation.'
"Thus the government may not deprive a pregnant woman of her
liberty, or may it take the use of her body without compensation.
"9th Amendment:
'The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall
not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the
people.'
"Thus the people retain the right to decide how their bodies may
be used.
"13th Amendment:
'Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude ... shall exist within
the United States.'
"Thus a pregnant woman may not be forced to serve the needs
of a fetus.
"14th Amendment:
'...nor shall any state deprive any person of life, LIBERTY, or
property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person
within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'
"Thus no STATE may deprive a pregnant woman of her liberty,
nor treat her any differently than any other person.
"You lose."
-- Feb. 19, 2002
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
.

User: "Dutch"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	18 Feb 2006 04:40:36 AM

"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> blustered and scrawled

Easy, <plonk> It's the recommended way to deal with trolls and idiots
on Usenet.

LOL!!!! Sure it is.

Yes, I know.

Feel free to do that to me whenever you want.

Don't worry, I don't require your permission.

Getting me to respond to you anyway, but not for long. I know
futility
when I see it.

That just *may* be the SMARTEST thing you've ever said.

Not likely, but it makes sense from my perspective. You offer nothing of
value.

all organic matter is
either alive or it is dead. And that human sperm contain DNA that is
human... so they ARE human. And that since they wriggle, and actively
penetrate ova, they are ALIVE.

Human life.

Q.E.D.

Nope, human cells do not "a human life" make. Are you this dumb, or just a
compulsive liar?

No. I said that **unplanned pregnancies** are not harmless,...

That's what this discussion is all about MORON.

Abortion is merely a REMEDY.

A harmless, and highly-VALUABLE and BENEFICIAL *remedy*.

Therefore, as much a NON-issue

Murder would be a remedy for your useless existence, that doesn't make it
right.
[..]

Pretty good assumption.

Not really. What if she happened to get attacked by the assailant as
she was on her way to the abortion clinic. That's possible. And she
might
not tell that to the authorities SO that the criminal could get a heavier
penalty.

Of course if she had been listening to liars like you that might come
naturally.

However, if a woman chooses to get an abortion, then there is NO
homicide. Which proves that the law does NOT give special status to
mere embryos or fetuses.

Wrong again. The fetus is WORTHLESS in the eyes of the law
UNLESS it is injured in the course of an attack upon the woman.

The law has no need to place a value on a fetus if it is not attacked. A
person is WORTHLESS in the eyes of the law unless injured by an attack on
them.

And then, ONLY if such a law happens to exist in that jurisdiction.

Well, DUH!
Your disrespect for human life combined with your disrespect for the truth
places you beneath contempt.
.

User: "Craig Chilton"
Title: Re: Teens Promote Purity on Valentine's Day	18 Feb 2006 10:06:40 AM

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 02:40:36 -0800,
"Dutch" <Anonymous@COWARD> ...
...did nothing but spew the same repetitive LIES about
the harmless and beneficial REMEDY of abortion. Again.
Thus making a total FOOL of himself. Again.
<ignorant hate-swill flushed>
<previous post restored> ---
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:38:03 -0800,
Bigoted Loser, "Dutch" <Anonymous@COWARD.com> spewed: