Science > Abortion > **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual** CHRISTIANS.
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13 Jun 2004 07:34:27 AM |
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**Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual** CHRISTIANS. |
"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote:
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The only people the [lying, homophobic trolls] are fooling are
.themselves. And that isn't much of an accomplishment, even for
a "Christian" fundie.
PSEUDO-Christians RRR cultists, who constantly are giving
ACTUAL Christians a bad name. It's important to remember these
very significant facts:
(1) Let's assume that about 5% of the population is gay.
(2) Recent polls have shown that those Americans who
support same-sex marriage/civil unions is running just
barely under 50%. (Which may be a low figure, since CNN's
exit polls of the Wisconsin Primary, in which people from
all parties were able to vote, showed it to be *61%.* If 5%
of those voters were gay, that leaves 56% who were their
straight ALLIES.) But -- let's be sporting toward the bigots
and say that only 45% of Americans are straight allies of
the gays in this quest for EQUAL rights. 45%, plus the 5%
who are gay, makes 50%. That's 145,000,000 Americans.
(3) A recent Gallup Poll determined that 17% of Americans are
NOT Christians... and that leaves 83% who ARE.
(4) Doing the math, it's easy to see that TENS OF MILLIONS
of actual Christians in the USA are straight *allies* of the
gays. And that's because **most** ACTUAL Christians
are fair-minded, intelligent, and sensible people who want
NOTHING to do with the hateful bigotry of the RRR cult.
(Unfortunately, though, most of those keep a low profile
by simply ignoring the situation. And that permits the
squeaky-wheel bigots who CLAIM to be Christians (thus
giving Christianity a very bad name) -- to get all the media
attention.)
BOTTOM LINE to remember: ***Tens of MILLIONS*** of actual
Christians (as I know from being one myself) are straight ALLIES of
the gay community. And... many of the *gays* are sensible Christians,
TOO!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
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| User: "CB" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual** CHRISTIANS. |
13 Jun 2004 07:55:22 AM |
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While most Christians tolerate homosexuals, they do not support their push
for moral equivalency
While most Christians tolerate homosexuality (me included) militant
homosexuals do not tolerate those of us who know natural affection from
unnatural.
Kind of like Romans, Chapter 1, verse 21:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise,
they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God
into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Man is unique among Gods creations. Comparing man to lower animas to justify
lusts of the flesh is to deny man is unique.
--
CB
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
"GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!"
<xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:40cd48b9.159655406@netnews.mchsi.com...
"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
The only people the [lying, homophobic trolls] are fooling are
.themselves. And that isn't much of an accomplishment, even for
a "Christian" fundie.
PSEUDO-Christians RRR cultists, who constantly are giving
ACTUAL Christians a bad name. It's important to remember these
very significant facts:
(1) Let's assume that about 5% of the population is gay.
(2) Recent polls have shown that those Americans who
support same-sex marriage/civil unions is running just
barely under 50%. (Which may be a low figure, since CNN's
exit polls of the Wisconsin Primary, in which people from
all parties were able to vote, showed it to be *61%.* If 5%
of those voters were gay, that leaves 56% who were their
straight ALLIES.) But -- let's be sporting toward the bigots
and say that only 45% of Americans are straight allies of
the gays in this quest for EQUAL rights. 45%, plus the 5%
who are gay, makes 50%. That's 145,000,000 Americans.
(3) A recent Gallup Poll determined that 17% of Americans are
NOT Christians... and that leaves 83% who ARE.
(4) Doing the math, it's easy to see that TENS OF MILLIONS
of actual Christians in the USA are straight *allies* of the
gays. And that's because **most** ACTUAL Christians
are fair-minded, intelligent, and sensible people who want
NOTHING to do with the hateful bigotry of the RRR cult.
(Unfortunately, though, most of those keep a low profile
by simply ignoring the situation. And that permits the
squeaky-wheel bigots who CLAIM to be Christians (thus
giving Christianity a very bad name) -- to get all the media
attention.)
BOTTOM LINE to remember: ***Tens of MILLIONS*** of actual
Christians (as I know from being one myself) are straight ALLIES of
the gay community. And... many of the *gays* are sensible Christians,
TOO!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
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ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual** CHRISTIANS. |
14 Jun 2004 10:35:06 AM |
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"CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote in message
news:cahis6$qgo$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
While most Christians tolerate homosexuals, they do not support their push
for moral equivalency
The number of Christians who oppose the said moral equicvalency is dwindling
rapidly. Fortunately.
While most Christians tolerate homosexuality (me included) militant
homosexuals do not tolerate those of us who know natural affection from
unnatural.
No, they simply don't tolerate bigotry. And rightly so.
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Peacenik
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| User: "Dionisio" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual**CHRISTIANS. |
13 Jun 2004 05:43:14 PM |
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CB wrote:
Kind of like Romans, Chapter 1, verse 21:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise,
they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God
into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
<chuckle> So homosexuality is idol worship, eh? Funny how you omit the
part where God actively tweaks the sex drives of the heterosexuals too.
(Or is that "convenient"?) How do we know that the folks were straight?
Well, if they were gay, then the verse would read "men lusting after
women, and women after men." Wouldn't *that* be terrible.
Man is unique among Gods creations. Comparing man to lower animas to justify
lusts of the flesh is to deny man is unique.
Well, of course we're unique. Just like everything else.
http://www.despair.com/individuality.html
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The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the Creator of their faith and His strategies.
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| User: "Citizen" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual**CHRISTIANS. |
14 Jun 2004 03:12:32 PM |
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CB wrote:
While most Christians tolerate homosexuals, they do not support their push
for moral equivalency
While most Christians tolerate homosexuality (me included) militant
homosexuals do not tolerate those of us who know natural affection from
unnatural.
Kind of like Romans, Chapter 1, verse 21:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise,
they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God
into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Man is unique among Gods creations. Comparing man to lower animas to justify
lusts of the flesh is to deny man is unique.
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CB - the word unnatural is what a lot, myself included object to. You
deny the relevance of the natural world to human affairs after first
calling something that you personally cannot fully understand unnatural.
Morality is something people generallty define with their religious
beliefs, I personally have no taste for that word for that reason, it
has little or no basis on fact and is not dependable as a measure
because it changes. I would like to suggest though, that despite your
belief that homosexual sex cannot reach the equivalence of heterosexual
sex in terms of its morality, than you at least consider homosexual sex
between committed partners to be less immoral in your belief system than
other types - an attitude dismissing all homosexual sex as immoral
exascerbates the situation and makes people who are homosexual less
likely to repond to calls for normal regulation of sexual activity as is
expected from the rest of the population.
You can dispute the morality/immorality of homosexual sex between
committed partners with those who study your religion, I suggest not
discussing it with those who are of different religions and those who
consider religion to be mythology. It is like arguing in french with a
japanese speaker.
Citizen
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| User: "jacinthfish" |
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14 Jun 2004 08:23:07 AM |
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No Christian has any part with abomination.
Without the ick,
jacinthfish
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual** CHRISTIANS. |
13 Jun 2004 08:44:32 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:55:22 -0400,
"CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu2222@mchsi.com> ("GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!") wrote:
"Poster Boy" <PosterBoy@localhost.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
The only people the [lying, homophobic trolls] are fooling are
themselves. And that isn't much of an accomplishment, even for
a "Christian" fundie.
PSEUDO-Christians RRR cultists, who constantly are giving
ACTUAL Christians a bad name. It's important to remember these
very significant facts:
(1) Let's assume that about 5% of the population is gay.
(2) Recent polls have shown that those Americans who
support same-sex marriage/civil unions is running just
barely under 50%. (Which may be a low figure, since CNN's
exit polls of the Wisconsin Primary, in which people from
all parties were able to vote, showed it to be *61%.* If 5%
of those voters were gay, that leaves 56% who were their
straight ALLIES.) But -- let's be sporting toward the bigots
and say that only 45% of Americans are straight allies of
the gays in this quest for EQUAL rights. 45%, plus the 5%
who are gay, makes 50%. That's 145,000,000 Americans.
While most Christians tolerate homosexuals, they do not support
their push for moral equivalency.
If not, they're getting there FAST!
(3) A recent Gallup Poll determined that 17% of Americans are
NOT Christians... and that leaves 83% who ARE.
(4) Doing the math, it's easy to see that TENS OF MILLIONS
of actual Christians in the USA are straight *allies* of the
gays. And that's because **most** ACTUAL Christians
are fair-minded, intelligent, and sensible people who want
NOTHING to do with the hateful bigotry of the RRR cult.
(Unfortunately, though, most of those keep a low profile
by simply ignoring the situation. And that permits the
squeaky-wheel bigots who CLAIM to be Christians (thus
giving Christianity a very bad name) -- to get all the media
attention.)
BOTTOM LINE to remember: ***Tens of MILLIONS*** of actual
Christians (as I know from being one myself) are straight ALLIES of
the gay community. And... many of the *gays* are sensible Christians,
TOO!
While most Christians tolerate homosexuality (me included) militant
homosexuals do not tolerate those of us who know natural affection from
unnatural.
Kind of like Romans, Chapter 1, verse 21:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise,
they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God
into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Man is unique among Gods creations. Comparing man to lower animals
to justify lusts of the flesh is to deny man is unique.
IF the UFOs ever decide to land publicly, and their occupants
announce themselves to the world, I would LOVE to see it turn out
that their level of intelligence, compared to that of humans, is like
a comparison of that of humans to that of ants.
And If so, I hope that I'm still around to watch, since the
expressions of the faces of the fundies will be CLASSIC. A
show truly worth the price of admission!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(REAL name and e-mail address, lest any bigot wrongly
think I'm hiding behind an a alias. The "alias," above,
is designed to be a visible MESSAGE, each time I post.)
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
INSIGHT on our Warmonger-in-Thief ---
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html
AND...
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ALSO worth a look:
http://anon.newmediamill.speedera.net/anon.newmediamill/pledge_acc/index.html
And... here's what happens to people like you & me:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/21/antiwar.soldier.ap/index.html
However, the same rules don't apply to the "Elite:"
www.awolbush.com
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| User: "Death" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual** CHRISTIANS. |
13 Jun 2004 11:04:41 PM |
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Dishonest <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
IF the UFOs ever decide to land publicly,
you offer them a ride in your time machine.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual** CHRISTIANS. |
14 Jun 2004 12:42:21 AM |
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"Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
news:cr9zc.34185$Kd5.4057@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Dishonest <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
IF the UFOs ever decide to land publicly,
you offer them a ride in your time machine.
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Or take them straight to an abortion clinic for help and advice.......
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FP....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "C.Osbourne" |
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14 Jun 2004 05:16:17 PM |
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Oh, Please...
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual** CHRISTIANS. |
13 Jun 2004 10:58:48 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:55:22 -0400, "CB" <CB@prayforme.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id <cahis6$qgo$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>
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Man is unique among Gods creations.
Where is your proof of this? Please include proof any god exists.
Comparing man to lower animas to justify
lusts of the flesh is to deny man is unique.
Aside from what appears to be intellectual superiority why is man
unique? We appear to be just another species to me.
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| User: "RainLover" |
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14 Jun 2004 09:09:22 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:55:22 -0400, "CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote:
CB
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Cor 7:
9:But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn. (The Marriage contract of David and Jonathan)
Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's
clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.
And lest we forget, Dear CB... Eating Shellfish and wearing mixed fibers are
equally abominable things as 20:13 claims.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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14 Jun 2004 08:26:04 PM |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.bible,alt.religion.christian,alt.abortion,alt
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Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are
**Actual** CHRISTIANS.
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:55:22 -0400, "CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote:
CB
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a
woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
## So this god wanted them KILLED! How forgiving and loving of him/her/it.
Cor 7:
9:But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn. (The Marriage contract of David and Jonathan)
## Who cares who marries who, and why should we?
Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's
clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.
## Why would a god care?
And lest we forget, Dear CB... Eating Shellfish and wearing mixed fibers
are
equally abominable things as 20:13 claims.
## Yawn..... better to find another god of the thousands of them out
there.
FP....
"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive
and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes talking to people
and
guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-= Paul Provenza =-
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: **Tens of MILLIONS** of the Gays' Straight ALLIES -- are **Actual**CHRISTIANS. |
14 Jun 2004 08:58:39 PM |
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RainLover wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:55:22 -0400, "CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote:
CB
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Cor 7:
9:But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
marry than to burn. (The Marriage contract of David and Jonathan)
Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's
clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.
And lest we forget, Dear CB... Eating Shellfish and wearing mixed fibers are
equally abominable things as 20:13 claims.
Ok, so they've not got to stone homosexuals, but women who wear pants and
those who have mixed fibre clothing, heck, why don't they stone those who take
photos because using their logic the photographers are trying to steal souls!
Matty
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