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Science > Abortion |
| User: |
"Papa Jack" |
| Date: |
26 Apr 2004 05:37:45 AM |
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Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
On April 26, 2004, the NY Daily News posted an article by
James Gordon Meek titled: "Teresa: Abortion Ends a Life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/187471p-162349c.html
______________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice but believes abortion
is 'stopping the process of life,' it was reported yesterday.
"'I don't view abortion as just a nothing," said Heinz Kerry in
an interview with Newsweek, in which she took a side in the
long-festering debate over when life begins.
[...]
"'My belief - and I maybe am very wrong - is that women, gen-
erally speaking, do not want to have abortions,' Heinz Kerry
said. 'With the exception of people who are mindless - and
there will always be mindless people of both sexes - most
women wouldn't want to,' she added.
[...]
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
I can't help but wonder if one of Kerry's speechwriters didn't
think this one up -- given Kerry's penchant for trying to take
BOTH sides on so many issues.
This way Kerry can take the hard-line approach in favor of
"abortion rights," while his wife throws the Pro-Lifers a bone.
Maybe I'm just a cynical old man, but everything Kerry does
makes me more suspicious.
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
26 Apr 2004 09:39:43 AM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404260237.b8d2e25@posting.google.com...
On April 26, 2004, the NY Daily News posted an article by
James Gordon Meek titled: "Teresa: Abortion Ends a Life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/187471p-162349c.html
______________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice but believes abortion
is 'stopping the process of life,' it was reported yesterday.
"'I don't view abortion as just a nothing," said Heinz Kerry in
an interview with Newsweek, in which she took a side in the
long-festering debate over when life begins.
[...]
"'My belief - and I maybe am very wrong - is that women, gen-
erally speaking, do not want to have abortions,' Heinz Kerry
said. 'With the exception of people who are mindless - and
there will always be mindless people of both sexes - most
women wouldn't want to,' she added.
[...]
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
I can't help but wonder if one of Kerry's speechwriters didn't
think this one up -- given Kerry's penchant for trying to take
BOTH sides on so many issues.
Of course you "can't help but wonder". You're a cynical old man.
This way Kerry can take the hard-line approach in favor of
"abortion rights," while his wife throws the Pro-Lifers a bone.
I don't see the controversy. Do you think women _want_ to have abortions?
Maybe I'm just a cynical old man, but everything Kerry does
makes me more suspicious.
You mispelled "senile".
LC
"Wisdom doesn't automatically come with old age. Nothing does - except
wrinkles. It's true, some wines improve with age. But only if the grapes
were good in the first place."~Abigail Van Buren
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
26 Apr 2004 04:12:47 PM |
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"Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com> wrote in message
news:<Pa9jc.13364$e4.9432@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
On April 26, 2004, the NY Daily News posted an article by
James Gordon Meek titled: "Teresa: Abortion Ends a Life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/187471p-162349c.html
______________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice but believes abortion
is 'stopping the process of life,' it was reported yesterday.
"'I don't view abortion as just a nothing," said Heinz Kerry in
an interview with Newsweek, in which she took a side in the
long-festering debate over when life begins.
[...]
"'My belief - and I maybe am very wrong - is that women, gen-
erally speaking, do not want to have abortions,' Heinz Kerry
said. 'With the exception of people who are mindless - and
there will always be mindless people of both sexes - most
women wouldn't want to,' she added.
[...]
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
I can't help but wonder if one of Kerry's speechwriters didn't
think this one up -- given Kerry's penchant for trying to take
BOTH sides on so many issues.
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Loose Cannon
Of course you "can't help but wonder". You're a cynical old man.
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Papa Jack agreed:
And, when I quit wondering, I'll be a dead old man. 8^)
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Papa Jack cited:
This way Kerry can take the hard-line approach in favor of
"abortion rights," while his wife throws the Pro-Lifers a bone.
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Loose Cannon
I don't see the controversy. Do you think women _want_ to
have abortions?
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Papa Jack stated:
I'm referring to the part which says:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice
but believes abortion is 'stopping the
process of life,' it was reported yesterday."
Consider the logic:
Abortion stops the process of life.
We are discussing the abortions of humans.
Abortions stop the process of human life.
Ergo: Abortions kill human beings.
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Papa Jack cited:
Maybe I'm just a cynical old man, but everything Kerry does
makes me more suspicious.
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Loose Cannon
You mispelled "senile".
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Papa Jack smiled:
Now you sound like my wife. 8^)
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
27 Apr 2004 09:44:14 AM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404261312.7874a2f4@posting.google.com...
"Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com> wrote in message
news:<Pa9jc.13364$e4.9432@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
==========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On April 26, 2004, the NY Daily News posted an article by
James Gordon Meek titled: "Teresa: Abortion Ends a Life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/187471p-162349c.html
______________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice but believes abortion
is 'stopping the process of life,' it was reported yesterday.
"'I don't view abortion as just a nothing," said Heinz Kerry in
an interview with Newsweek, in which she took a side in the
long-festering debate over when life begins.
[...]
"'My belief - and I maybe am very wrong - is that women, gen-
erally speaking, do not want to have abortions,' Heinz Kerry
said. 'With the exception of people who are mindless - and
there will always be mindless people of both sexes - most
women wouldn't want to,' she added.
[...]
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
I can't help but wonder if one of Kerry's speechwriters didn't
think this one up -- given Kerry's penchant for trying to take
BOTH sides on so many issues.
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Loose Cannon
Of course you "can't help but wonder". You're a cynical old man.
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Papa Jack agreed:
And, when I quit wondering, I'll be a dead old man. 8^)
Use it, or lose it...
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Papa Jack cited:
This way Kerry can take the hard-line approach in favor of
"abortion rights," while his wife throws the Pro-Lifers a bone.
==========================================================================
Loose Cannon
I don't see the controversy. Do you think women _want_ to
have abortions?
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Papa Jack stated:
I'm referring to the part which says:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice
but believes abortion is 'stopping the
process of life,' it was reported yesterday."
Consider the logic:
Abortion stops the process of life.
We are discussing the abortions of humans.
Abortions stop the process of human life.
Ergo: Abortions kill human beings.
But not a "person".
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Papa Jack cited:
Maybe I'm just a cynical old man, but everything Kerry does
makes me more suspicious.
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Loose Cannon
You mispelled "senile".
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Papa Jack smiled:
Now you sound like my wife. 8^)
<Mama Jack's voice> Jack! Get off the damn computer and mow the lawn! Take
out the garbage! Dump the kitty litter! Do something, dammit!
LC~blissfully married
"Ultimately, the only power to which man should aspire is that which he
exercises over himself."~Elie Wiesel
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
27 Apr 2004 06:55:18 PM |
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"Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com> wrote in message
news:2lujc.11559$eZ5.6175@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404261312.7874a2f4@posting.google.com...
Papa Jack cited:
This way Kerry can take the hard-line approach in favor of
"abortion rights," while his wife throws the Pro-Lifers a bone.
Like the way Dubya takes the hard line in favor of "banning abortion", while
Laura throws the pro-choicers a bone? She has stated she opposes
overturning Roe v. Wade on more than one occasion, and BTW Barbara Bush is
pro-choice too.
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
28 Apr 2004 10:54:31 AM |
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"Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com> wrote in message
news:<2lujc.11559$eZ5.6175@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
==========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On April 26, 2004, the NY Daily News posted an article by
James Gordon Meek titled: "Teresa: Abortion Ends a Life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/187471p-162349c.html
_________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice but believes abortion
is 'stopping the process of life,' it was reported yesterday.
"'I don't view abortion as just a nothing," said Heinz Kerry in
an interview with Newsweek, in which she took a side in the
long-festering debate over when life begins.
[...]
"'My belief - and I maybe am very wrong - is that women, gen-
erally speaking, do not want to have abortions,' Heinz Kerry
said. 'With the exception of people who are mindless - and
there will always be mindless people of both sexes - most
women wouldn't want to,' she added.
[...]
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
I can't help but wonder if one of Kerry's speechwriters didn't
think this one up -- given Kerry's penchant for trying to take
BOTH sides on so many issues.
==========================================================================
[snip]
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Papa Jack stated:
I'm referring to the part which says:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice
but believes abortion is 'stopping the
process of life,' it was reported yesterday."
Consider the logic:
Abortion stops the process of life.
We are discussing the abortions of humans.
Abortions stop the process of human life.
Ergo: Abortions kill human beings.
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Loose Cannon
But not a "person".
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Papa Jack replied:
So what? The word "person" is a very poor one to use in
these discussions becase it can mean a corporation -- but
excludes minors or mentally incapacitated individuals.
The Findlaw legal dictionary tells us:
http://dictionary.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/results.pl?co=dictionary.lp.findlaw.com&topic=e4/e4b1efffd2c970a94531d44ee63d3d3b
"natural person"
: a human being as distinguished from a person
(as a corporation) created by operation of law
But then go to:
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p034.htm
"PERSON"
Corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships,
societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals.
1 USC (note: this term, when used in the legal context, can
be confusing since whether it refersto entities other than
natural persons is often dependent on context and official
interpretation. e.g. Are corporations entitled, under limited
circumstances, entitled to appointment of counsel in federal
court? The clear wording of 1 USC seems to include them but
the courts, using their semantic expertise, have denied this.)
Or, even:
http://floridalegalanswers.com/dic/p.html
"Person" :
An entity with legal rights and existence including the ability
to sue and be sued, to sign contracts, to receive gifts, to
appear in court either by themselves or by lawyer and, generally,
other powers incidental to the full expression of the entity in
law. Individuals are "persons" in law UNLESS THEY ARE MINORS OR
UNDER SOME KIND OF OTHER INCAPACITY such as a court finding of
mental incapacity. Many laws give certain powers to "persons"
which, in almost all instances, includes business organizations
that have been formally registered such as partnerships, corpor-
ations or associations.
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Papa Jack cited:
Maybe I'm just a cynical old man, but everything Kerry does
makes me more suspicious.
==========================================================================
Loose Cannon wrote:
You mispelled "senile".
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Papa Jack smiled:
Now you sound like my wife. 8^)
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Loose Cannon wrote:
<Mama Jack's voice> Jack! Get off the damn computer and mow
the lawn! Take out the garbage! Dump the kitty litter! Do
something, dammit!
LC~blissfully married
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Papa Jack laughed:
Well, you're partly correct. She does fuss about how much
time I "waste" on the computer. We have no cats. My grandson
takes out the garbage and mows the lawn.
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Loose Cannon wrote:
LC~blissfully married
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Papa Jack bragged:
I was lucky enough to find a beautiful and intelligent
woman to marry me 47 years ago. She's earned the right
to fuss at me all she wants.
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
26 Apr 2004 06:18:02 PM |
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In article <6f9e1b49.0404261312.7874a2f4@posting.google.com>,
(Papa Jack) wrote:
"Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com> wrote in message
news:<Pa9jc.13364$e4.9432@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Papa Jack" < > wrote:
==========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On April 26, 2004, the NY Daily News posted an article by
James Gordon Meek titled: "Teresa: Abortion Ends a Life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/187471p-162349c.html
______________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice but believes abortion
is 'stopping the process of life,' it was reported yesterday.
"'I don't view abortion as just a nothing," said Heinz Kerry in
an interview with Newsweek, in which she took a side in the
long-festering debate over when life begins.
[...]
"'My belief - and I maybe am very wrong - is that women, gen-
erally speaking, do not want to have abortions,' Heinz Kerry
said. 'With the exception of people who are mindless - and
there will always be mindless people of both sexes - most
women wouldn't want to,' she added.
[...]
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
I can't help but wonder if one of Kerry's speechwriters didn't
think this one up -- given Kerry's penchant for trying to take
BOTH sides on so many issues.
==========================================================================
Loose Cannon
Of course you "can't help but wonder". You're a cynical old man.
==========================================================================
Papa Jack agreed:
And, when I quit wondering, I'll be a dead old man. 8^)
==========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
This way Kerry can take the hard-line approach in favor of
"abortion rights," while his wife throws the Pro-Lifers a bone.
==========================================================================
Loose Cannon
I don't see the controversy. Do you think women _want_ to
have abortions?
==========================================================================
Papa Jack stated:
I'm referring to the part which says:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice
but believes abortion is 'stopping the
process of life,' it was reported yesterday."
Consider the logic:
Abortion stops the process of life.
We are discussing the abortions of humans.
Abortions stop the process of human life.
Ergo: Abortions kill human beings.
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
26 Apr 2004 06:39:08 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-20DC7D.19180226042004@news-60.giganews.com...
In article <6f9e1b49.0404261312.7874a2f4@posting.google.com>,
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
"Loose Cannon" <looseain't@this.com> wrote in message
news:<Pa9jc.13364$e4.9432@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
==========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
On April 26, 2004, the NY Daily News posted an article by
James Gordon Meek titled: "Teresa: Abortion Ends a Life."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/187471p-162349c.html
______________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice but believes abortion
is 'stopping the process of life,' it was reported yesterday.
"'I don't view abortion as just a nothing," said Heinz Kerry in
an interview with Newsweek, in which she took a side in the
long-festering debate over when life begins.
[...]
"'My belief - and I maybe am very wrong - is that women, gen-
erally speaking, do not want to have abortions,' Heinz Kerry
said. 'With the exception of people who are mindless - and
there will always be mindless people of both sexes - most
women wouldn't want to,' she added.
[...]
______________________________________________________________________
Papa Jack comments:
I can't help but wonder if one of Kerry's speechwriters didn't
think this one up -- given Kerry's penchant for trying to take
BOTH sides on so many issues.
==========================================================================
Loose Cannon
Of course you "can't help but wonder". You're a cynical old man.
==========================================================================
Papa Jack agreed:
And, when I quit wondering, I'll be a dead old man. 8^)
==========================================================================
Papa Jack cited:
This way Kerry can take the hard-line approach in favor of
"abortion rights," while his wife throws the Pro-Lifers a bone.
==========================================================================
Loose Cannon
I don't see the controversy. Do you think women _want_ to
have abortions?
==========================================================================
Papa Jack stated:
I'm referring to the part which says:
"Teresa Heinz Kerry says she's pro-choice
but believes abortion is 'stopping the
process of life,' it was reported yesterday."
Consider the logic:
Abortion stops the process of life.
We are discussing the abortions of humans.
Abortions stop the process of human life.
Ergo: Abortions kill human beings.
Abortions end pregnancies.
They kill
What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life,
Well, at least that is a plus for her. Shame you want to remain a
pro-killer
but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
Abortion is a God-given right?
Care to show us where it is a God-given right
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| User: "Stephanie" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
29 Apr 2004 02:40:25 PM |
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Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children created
by Him. Where is that in scripture?
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| User: "MyTwoAngels" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
29 Apr 2004 03:02:04 PM |
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On 29 Apr 2004 12:40:25 -0700, (Stephanie)
wrote:
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children...
This is completely irrevelant where it concerns abortion.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
29 Apr 2004 08:46:41 PM |
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Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children created
by Him.
See the hatred and lies typical of the anti-abortion fanatic. She
cannot defend her immoral ideology and so she has to demonize people
by claiming that they murder children.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Stephanie" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
30 Apr 2004 02:09:22 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sb60$i18$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children created
by Him.
See the hatred and lies typical of the anti-abortion fanatic. She
cannot defend her immoral ideology and so she has to demonize people
by claiming that they murder children.
Whereas you just call us liars.
Can you explain how my response to "Why is it you are trying to deny
people a God-given right", was a lie?
Oh, and what exactly makes me immoral? Is it that I want to help womem
and the unborn by ending unwanted pregnancies and protecting unborn
humans, or is it simply because I don't agree with you so I MUST be
immoral by default?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
01 May 2004 12:17:03 AM |
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Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sb60$i18$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children created
by Him.
See the hatred and lies typical of the anti-abortion fanatic. She
cannot defend her immoral ideology and so she has to demonize people
by claiming that they murder children.
Whereas you just call us liars.
And telling the truth about you is much worse than you calling people
murderers.
Can you explain how my response to "Why is it you are trying to deny
people a God-given right", was a lie?
You don't know?!?
1) Abortion isn't murder
2) There is no right to commit murder
3) There isn't even a right to kill
4) Nobody needs to hear your blasphemous god fantasies.
Oh, and what exactly makes me immoral?
Hatred and dishonesty. And hypocrisy.
Is it that I want to help womem
and the unborn
You're lying again. You want to control people. If you wanted to
help them then you'd be helping them instead of demanding their
servitude and calling them murderers.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Stephanie" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
02 May 2004 01:20:42 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6vbsf$1n7$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sb60$i18$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children created
by Him.
See the hatred and lies typical of the anti-abortion fanatic. She
cannot defend her immoral ideology and so she has to demonize people
by claiming that they murder children.
Whereas you just call us liars.
And telling the truth about you is much worse than you calling people
murderers.
Can you explain how my response to "Why is it you are trying to deny
people a God-given right", was a lie?
You don't know?!?
1) Abortion isn't murder
2) There is no right to commit murder
3) There isn't even a right to kill
4) Nobody needs to hear your blasphemous god fantasies.
You didn't answer the question. Why does anyone thik abortion is a God
given right, as mentioned above and why does my asking her to back
that up make me a liar?
Oh, and what exactly makes me immoral?
Hatred and dishonesty. And hypocrisy.
Is it that I want to help womem
and the unborn
You're lying again. You want to control people. If you wanted to
help them then you'd be helping them instead of demanding their
servitude and calling them murderers.
You're very confused.
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
02 May 2004 04:22:41 PM |
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(Stephanie) writes:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6vbsf$1n7$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie < > wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sb60$i18$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie < > wrote:
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children created
by Him.
See the hatred and lies typical of the anti-abortion fanatic. She
cannot defend her immoral ideology and so she has to demonize people
by claiming that they murder children.
Whereas you just call us liars.
And telling the truth about you is much worse than you calling people
murderers.
Can you explain how my response to "Why is it you are trying to deny
people a God-given right", was a lie?
You don't know?!?
1) Abortion isn't murder
2) There is no right to commit murder
3) There isn't even a right to kill
4) Nobody needs to hear your blasphemous god fantasies.
You didn't answer the question. Why does anyone thik abortion is a God
given right, as mentioned above and why does my asking her to back
that up make me a liar?
It's a woman's right to make her own choices, and that's all that matters.
You don't have a say in what she decides -- and neither does anyone else, if
she doesn't want them to. Whine all you want to, lttle girl -- because that's
the reality of the situation.
Oh, and what exactly makes me immoral?
Hatred and dishonesty. And hypocrisy.
Is it that I want to help womem
and the unborn
You're lying again. You want to control people. If you wanted to
help them then you'd be helping them instead of demanding their
servitude and calling them murderers.
You're very confused.
You're very stupid *and* disingenuous, from the looks of things -- after all,
you were the one that denied that human eggs and sperm were human until they
joined. I guess the eighth-grade biology class didn't take, did it?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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02 May 2004 02:49:36 PM |
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Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6vbsf$1n7$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sb60$i18$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children created
by Him.
See the hatred and lies typical of the anti-abortion fanatic. She
cannot defend her immoral ideology and so she has to demonize people
by claiming that they murder children.
Whereas you just call us liars.
And telling the truth about you is much worse than you calling people
murderers.
Can you explain how my response to "Why is it you are trying to deny
people a God-given right", was a lie?
You don't know?!?
1) Abortion isn't murder
2) There is no right to commit murder
3) There isn't even a right to kill
4) Nobody needs to hear your blasphemous god fantasies.
You didn't answer the question.
Yes, I did.
Why does anyone thik abortion is a God
given right,
Because women aren't slaves.
as mentioned above and why does my asking her to back
that up make me a liar?
You're a liar because you call people murderers.
Oh, and what exactly makes me immoral?
Hatred and dishonesty. And hypocrisy.
Is it that I want to help womem
and the unborn
You're lying again. You want to control people. If you wanted to
help them then you'd be helping them instead of demanding their
servitude and calling them murderers.
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman wanting an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead you lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing people to
do as you demand.
Here is a story about someone who walked the walk. Learn from it.
MISSION OF MERCY
WOMAN REJECTS SILICON VALLEY TO HELP NEEDY ROMANIAN CHILDREN
Published: Thursday, July 3, 1997
On the streets of Bucharest, hordes of abandoned, starving kids call
her "Mommie Angie."
Friends say she's a "Romanian Mother Teresa."
Angie Thomson, 34, simply smiles and tries to put into words what life
means to her since she traded the fast track of a Silicon Valley
computer firm for the sewers of Bucharest.
For five years, the Scotts Valley woman has been trying to keep 250
Romanian children alive. It's worth the constant fundraising and
sleepless nights, said the former field test manager for Digital
Equipment Corp. in Palo Alto.
"To know you've taken children who'd literally be dead in a few hours,
and brought them back to life -- there's nothing like it," Thomson said.
It all began during a restructuring of her company in 1992. Thomson
was offered a transfer to the East Coast branch or a buyout package.
She wanted a vacation, so she took the buyout, figuring she'd kick
back for a while before taking one of the attractive offers she'd
lined up in the valley.
She flew to Belgium where her parents, Lyle, 65, and Dorene, 63,
were stationed as missionaries with the Assembly of God church.
They've since retired and are helping out in the Scotts Valley office
their daughter has set up for her non-denominational organization,
the Childrens Relief Network.
As a child, moving with her father's assignments, Thomson saw a lot
of poverty, but she could scarcely believe what friends told her
about the children of Bucharest -- living in the sewers for warmth
during the nation's six months of freezing weather, selling themselves
as prostitutes for food and sniffing glue to dull the pangs of hunger
and cold. So when the friends took a relief transport to Romania,
Thomson went along.
"It was true," she said. "I climbed in the sewer holes and saw 13
kids huddled together. They crawled back out with me, hanging
onto my legs, begging me for a place to go."
At first she worked through another charitable organization, seeking
funding from friends, churches and service organizations, mainly
in affluent Santa Clara County.
Soon, feeding and clothing the youngsters wasn't enough. She shuddered
to think what they did at night to keep warm when there wasn't room in
the sewers.
With the help of Cristian Soimaru, a member of the Romanian parliament
she met in the Silicon Valley, Thomson was introduced to the mayor of
Bucharest. He gave her an old building, which she opened as a shelter
for boys in February 1994. A second building allowed her to add a girl's
shelter, bringing to 50 the number of youngsters Thomson was housing.
In January, she launched a rescue center, also in Bucharest, where 200
children are fed each day for 33 cents each.
Thomson doesn't run an adoption agency. Her goal is to help children
survive in a nation that is economically devastated and dependent on
outside help to aid its youngsters. Her organization offers training
for the kids and helps the older ones get jobs.
Two years ago, Thomson filed incorporation papers with California, took
a deep breath and went out on her own. The head of the charity she
first worked with is on her board of directors, as is Soimaru.
Many non-profit organizations start out like Thomson's, with one or
two persons, and grow from there, according to Gisela Bushey,
director of development for Catholic Charities of Santa Clara County.
"But it takes a determined person with the ability to connect with
people," Bushey said.
In less than three years, Thomson had taken on three projects with a
joint annual budget close to $300,000. Because she's on the road so
much supporting what she has established, Thomson opened the Scotts
Valley office, hiring two full-time staffers. Her overhead, including
travel funds and salaries for the local and Romanian staffs, takes
about 10 percent of the non-profit corporation's money.
"My buyout money is long gone," she said. "and I sometimes miss the
stability of a paycheck. I couldn't do it without the people here
at home and prayer. There have been so many miracles like the high
school kid in Santa Cruz who gave me $300 he'd saved for college."
Some of Thomson's children have special needs, such as brothers Vali,
4, and Romi, 5, who were burned severely when fire roared through the
tunnel under train tracks where their mother abandoned them. Thomson
is waiting for approval from San Jose's Valley Medical Center to treat
deep burn scars that prevent the brothers from using all their limbs.
If that comes through, she'll have to raise plane fare to bring the
boys to Silicon Valley; she has official custody of them, so she can
take them out of Romania.
"It's an absolutely consuming burden," Thomson said. "I have no personal
life. It has been a sacrifice, definitely. But all you have to do is see
their faces. I'd rather trade my life to save 30 to 40 children."
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED
Tax-deductible donations can be made to the Childrens Relief Network,
4113 Scotts Valley Drive, Suite 208, Scotts Valley, Calif. 95066.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Stephanie" |
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03 May 2004 08:20:52 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6vbsf$1n7$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sb60$i18$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
Abortions end pregnancies. What Mrs. Heinz-Kerry or you think about
abortion is irrelevant. She can believe in the sanctity of human
life, but respect the fact that God gave us the ability to make
such decisions for ourselves.
Why is it you are trying to deny people a God-given right?
I didn't realize God gave us the right to murder the children created
by Him.
See the hatred and lies typical of the anti-abortion fanatic. She
cannot defend her immoral ideology and so she has to demonize people
by claiming that they murder children.
Whereas you just call us liars.
And telling the truth about you is much worse than you calling people
murderers.
Can you explain how my response to "Why is it you are trying to deny
people a God-given right", was a lie?
You don't know?!?
1) Abortion isn't murder
2) There is no right to commit murder
3) There isn't even a right to kill
4) Nobody needs to hear your blasphemous god fantasies.
You didn't answer the question.
Yes, I did.
Why does anyone thik abortion is a God
given right,
Because women aren't slaves.
as mentioned above and why does my asking her to back
that up make me a liar?
You're a liar because you call people murderers.
Oh, and what exactly makes me immoral?
Hatred and dishonesty. And hypocrisy.
Is it that I want to help womem
and the unborn
You're lying again. You want to control people. If you wanted to
help them then you'd be helping them instead of demanding their
servitude and calling them murderers.
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman wanting an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead you lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing people to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up. In other
words, you are lying! I do not sit on my ***** "screeching". Actually, I
give much of my time and money to many causes, but you naturally
assume I don't. One place where I volunteers makes it a priority to
help all mothers, yes, even the ones who kept their babies by choice.
We provide them emotional support as well as financial support. We
provide them cloths, food, baby items, and many other necessities. We
even help women who have already had abortions through the healing
process. But you don't care. You just want to demonize us. We do not
want to control women, we want to help them. Get that through your big
fat head! You do not know me so don't presume to know what I do with
my time and money. But you'll probably just call me a liar again, so
I'll stop wasting my time with this post.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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06 May 2004 12:17:46 PM |
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"Stephanie" <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote in message
news:45702f5e.0405030520.58a1c8e2@posting.google.com...
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing people to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up. In other
words, you are lying! I do not sit on my ***** "screeching". Actually, I
give much of my time and money to many causes,
By choice.
but you naturally
assume I don't. One place where I volunteers
You volunteer. It's a choice. How about we make it mandatory? You have to
take on at least one of the babies you "save" and raise it to adulthood.
Don't want to? Too bad. Why should you get to decide? At least you didn't
have to take on any of the physical risks of pregnancy and childbirth.
makes it a priority to
help all mothers, yes, even the ones who kept their babies by choice.
We provide them emotional support as well as financial support. We
provide them cloths, food, baby items, and many other necessities.
Taking care of a baby is pretty cheap. What do you do when the kid is
three, five, ten, fifteen?
We do not
want to control women, we want to help them.
If that were true, you would help women who choose abortion financially and
emotionally. Help pay for the abortion. Drive them to the clinic. Be
supportive when it's performed. Only supporting women who make the
decisions *you* want them to make is the definition of control.
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| User: "MyTwoAngels" |
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03 May 2004 08:23:42 AM |
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On 3 May 2004 06:20:52 -0700, (Stephanie) wrote:
[...]
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up. In other
words, you are lying! I do not sit on my ***** "screeching". Actually, I
give much of my time and money to many causes, but you naturally
assume I don't.
You do what's convenient for you, which is fine, because we all do to
some extent. But don't demand others to make large sacrifices they are
not prepared to make, like forcing women to have abortions or give
birth.
[...]
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
04 May 2004 01:45:56 AM |
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Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman wanting an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead you lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing people to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
Your priorities are obvious.
You argue that women should be forced to do as you say. You don't ask
for help in saving lives. You don't argue why saving lives is
important.
I do not sit on my ***** "screeching".
Of course you do. You call people murderers.
Actually, I
give much of my time and money to many causes, but you naturally
assume I don't.
You don't do anywhere near as much as you demand of others.
One place where I volunteers
"Volunteer"? You mean you allow yourself CHOICE while demanding that
other people's chocies be taken away?
makes it a priority to
help all mothers, yes, even the ones who kept their babies by choice.
"Help", as in used clothes and help getting government assistance?
Pah! That's piddling compared to years and thousands of dollars
needed to care for a child.
We provide them emotional support as well as financial support.
Yeah, calling people murderers is real good "emotional support".
And you spending other people's money doubtless makes you feel really
good about how much you are helping.
We
provide them cloths, food, baby items, and many other necessities.
How about that $100,000 she'll need to raise her child?
We
even help women who have already had abortions through the healing
process. But you don't care. You just want to demonize us.
I don't need to de4monize you.
I just need to tell the truth about you.
You are a hypocrite.
You just want to demonize us. We do not
want to control women, we want to help them.
Liar. All of your arguments have been about controlling women.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Stephanie" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
04 May 2004 09:13:54 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman wanting an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead you lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing people to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
And I do spend my time and money helping and saving children. You have
no right to say otherwise, as you have no knowledge of my life.
Your priorities are obvious.
Because I spend 10 or 15 minutes a day on google, you presume to know
what my life's priorities are?!
And what do you do with you time to help mothers? The majority of the
mothers I work with WANTED their children, CHOOSE to get pregnant, and
CHOOSE to keep their babies. I help them because they need and deserve
help, not because of some controlling nature or as my good deed for
the day.
We provide them emotional support as well as financial support.
You think that is what we would do? These women are hurting and they
come to us for support, support that we willingly provide. I do not
hate women who have had abortions.
We
provide them cloths, food, baby items, and many other necessities.
How about that $100,000 she'll need to raise her child?
Do you propose we support all the nation's children?
We
even help women who have already had abortions through the healing
process. But you don't care. You just want to demonize us.
I don't need to de4monize you.
I just need to tell the truth about you.
What you THINK is the truth is nothing more than what you want people
to think. You want people to think we are evil and have ulterior
motives so we will not continue to gain recognition and support.
You are a hypocrite.
You just want to demonize us. We do not
want to control women, we want to help them.
Liar. All of your arguments have been about controlling women.
Lies.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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06 May 2004 12:19:52 PM |
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"Stephanie" <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote in message
news:45702f5e.0405040613.104b7872@posting.google.com...
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie:
We
provide them cloths, food, baby items, and many other necessities.
How about that $100,000 she'll need to raise her child?
Do you propose we support all the nation's children?
Just the ones you save. If you talk a woman out of having an abortion, you
make sure she has all the money and help she needs to raise that child - not
just the baby.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
04 May 2004 09:38:37 PM |
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Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman wanting an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead you lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing people to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
And I do spend my time and money helping and saving children.
Not enough.
Not nearly as much as you demand of others.
You have
no right to say otherwise, as you have no knowledge of my life.
Good to see you come over to the pro-choice side at last.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
04 May 2004 10:01:57 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79k3c$vaa$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman wanting
an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead you
lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred
because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing people
to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
And I do spend my time and money helping and saving children.
Not enough.
You don't decide that. And if you are going to deman others to do more, and
they are unable, then you will be required to help.
Such as donating your own money if needed
Not nearly as much as you demand of others.
Read your demands above
You have
no right to say otherwise, as you have no knowledge of my life.
Good to see you come over to the pro-choice side at last.
When are you? You don't support a persons right to choose to disagree with
abortion
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
04 May 2004 11:01:34 PM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79k3c$vaa$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman wanting
an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead you
lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred
because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing people
to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
And I do spend my time and money helping and saving children.
Not enough.
You don't decide that.
Why not?
And if you are going to deman others to do more,
I'm using HER demands on her, moron.
Not nearly as much as you demand of others.
Read your demands above
Pull your head out of your *****, moron.
You have
no right to say otherwise, as you have no knowledge of my life.
Good to see you come over to the pro-choice side at last.
When are you? You don't support a persons right to choose to disagree with
Liar.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
04 May 2004 11:15:01 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79out$7vf$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79k3c$vaa$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman
wanting
an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead
you
lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred
because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to
be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing
people
to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
And I do spend my time and money helping and saving children.
Not enough.
You don't decide that.
Why not?
Because you don't
And if you are going to deman others to do more,
I'm using HER demands on her, moron.
No you are not, you are demanding something of her
Not nearly as much as you demand of others.
Read your demands above
Pull your head out of your *****, moron.
This is typical for you when you can't explain yourself
You have
no right to say otherwise, as you have no knowledge of my life.
Good to see you come over to the pro-choice side at last.
When are you? You don't support a persons right to choose to disagree
with
Liar.
Not at all, your post prove it. You can't accept someone elses opinion if
they don't agree with you with out calling them a liar or attacking them.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
04 May 2004 11:26:30 PM |
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In article <3vydnU4DsYGK9wXdRVn-ig@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79out$7vf$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79k3c$vaa$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman
wanting
an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead
you
lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred
because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to
be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing
people
to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
And I do spend my time and money helping and saving children.
Not enough.
You don't decide that.
Why not?
Because you don't
Typical Heishman logic. In other words, because he wants that to be
true, and that is good enough for him.
And if you are going to deman others to do more,
I'm using HER demands on her, moron.
No you are not, you are demanding something of her
In other words, because he wants that to be true, and that is good
enough for him.
Not nearly as much as you demand of others.
Read your demands above
Pull your head out of your *****, moron.
This is typical for you when you can't explain yourself
LOL!!! Considering his last two "answers" is this funny or what?
You have
no right to say otherwise, as you have no knowledge of my life.
Good to see you come over to the pro-choice side at last.
When are you? You don't support a persons right to choose to disagree
with
Liar.
Not at all, your post prove it. You can't accept someone elses opinion if
they don't agree with you with out calling them a liar or attacking them.
Ironic, isn't it?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
05 May 2004 11:08:04 AM |
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Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79out$7vf$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79k3c$vaa$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman
wanting
an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead
you
lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred
because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you to
be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing
people
to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
And I do spend my time and money helping and saving children.
Not enough.
You don't decide that.
Why not?
Because you don't
How old are you? 6?
If she gets to decide such things for others then why not me as well?
And if you are going to deman others to do more,
I'm using HER demands on her, moron.
No you are not,
Liar.
Not nearly as much as you demand of others.
Read your demands above
Pull your head out of your *****, moron.
This is typical for you when you can't explain yourself
I just did, *****. Apparently you're too stupid to realize it.
You have
no right to say otherwise, as you have no knowledge of my life.
Good to see you come over to the pro-choice side at last.
When are you? You don't support a persons right to choose to disagree
with
Liar.
Not at all, your post prove it.
Your post proves that you're a liar and a coward.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
05 May 2004 12:31:24 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7b3h3$r0m$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79out$7vf$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79k3c$vaa$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman
wanting
an
abortion and pay her to give birth instead.
Simple, effective, and legal. But you don't do that. Instead
you
lie
about people and call them murderers because they won't do as
you
demand. You'd rather sit on your lying ***** and screech hatred
because
actually saving a life is just too damn much trouble for you
to
be
bothered. And because all you really care about is forcing
people
to
do as you demand.
You assume things about me without any proof to back them up.
No, I don't. You spend time and money posting here. Time and
money
that could be used to save the lives of children.
And I do spend my time and money helping and saving children.
Not enough.
You don't decide that.
Why not?
Because you don't
How old are you? 6?
That would be your IQ
If she gets to decide such things for others then why not me as well?
You don't dictate to others what they should be doing
And if you are going to deman others to do more,
I'm using HER demands on her, moron.
No you are not,
Liar.
Oh no...not liar again..ROFL It gets old Ray, very old..when all you can do
in your replies is call people liars
Not nearly as much as you demand of others.
Read your demands above
Pull your head out of your *****, moron.
This is typical for you when you can't explain yourself
I just did, *****. Apparently you're too stupid to realize it.
No, you are just to stupid to realize you can be read like a book.
You have
no right to say otherwise, as you have no knowledge of my life.
Good to see you come over to the pro-choice side at last.
When are you? You don't support a persons right to choose to disagree
with
Liar.
Not at all, your post prove it.
Your post proves that you're a liar and a coward.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Teresa Kerry on Abortion |
05 May 2004 08:47:58 PM |
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In article <e5ednU9L151CuQTdRVn-gQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c7b3h3$r0m$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79out$7vf$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:c79k3c$vaa$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c77e73$fcd$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c73jcf$lm1$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Stephanie <havefaith@timahoe.net> wrote:
You're very confused.
No, I am not.
Do you want to prevent abortions? Here's how: Find a woman
wanting
an
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