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Terri Schiavo 'should matter to us,'
By Pastor William E. Rice
Her name is Sharon. You don't know her, but God does. She matters to =
God, she matters to me, and how she is treated should matter to you. She =
will never engage in stimulating conversation or ponder political =
debates. She will never read a book or write a paragraph. She will never =
marry or raise children or even earn her own keep. But she matters.=20
Sharon is my handicapped sister, she is mentally impaired, severely so, =
and has been from birth. My brother and I watched our parents care for =
her and somehow we learned an intuitive almost unspoken lesson. Her life =
is valuable, as valuable as that of her two brothers, both active in =
ministry. Whatever difference exists between her IQ and mine, imagine =
the gap between mine and God's! Yet he loved me and valued me so much =
that He would send the jewel of heaven to buy me back. He made me and =
redeemed me and that is the heart of our conviction about human =
life-everyone matters to God. Which brings us to Terri Schiavo.=20
The facts of the case are well known and few have done as admirable a =
job of reporting them as has the Florida Baptist Witness. It is a matter =
of record that the judge in the case, Judge Greer, is an inactive member =
of Calvary Baptist Church, where I have pastored for 5 months. Though I =
have been Calvary's pastor for only a short time I have loved this =
church for nearly 30 years, since I spent my teenage years growing in =
this community of faith. Some have wondered about the commitment of our =
church to the Sanctity of Human Life. There is no need to wonder. Our =
convictions have been clear and consistent. In this cultural =
battleground our church arrived early, has fought hard and stayed =
faithful. For over 30 years Calvary has sounded a clear trumpet about =
the sanctity of human life. Our beloved former pastor Dr. Bill Anderson =
was an early champion in the cause and his frequent prophetic appeals to =
oppose abortion and stand for life will never be forgotten by those of =
us fortunate enough to have grown under his pastoral care. Our church =
was instrumental in the founding of the Bay Area Crisis Pregnancy Center =
that for over 20 years has served to help women in difficult =
circumstances choose life.=20
Like many of you we have tried to articulate and uphold an ethic of life =
consistent with a Christian worldview. We have tried to speak the truth =
in love to a culture bent of selfishness and hedonistic pursuits. Like =
our Florida Baptist family, and our larger Southern Baptist family, we =
have taken our stand for life. That stand articulated in many ways, one =
of which is our enthusiastic support of this publication, has become one =
of the reasons that Judge Greer has disassociated himself from Calvary =
and has publicly criticized us in the St. Petersburg Times.=20
Like evangelicals across the world we are horrified at the thought that =
a handicapped woman could be in effect starved to death before a =
watching world. Like many pastors I am not an expert in the law. I =
cannot debate the variances of custody rights, or even debate the =
medical analysis of a Persistent Vegetative State versus a Minimally =
Conscious State. But I know right from wrong. I know what God thinks =
about human life. I know there is only one way to describe the prospect =
of starving a woman to death because she cannot feed herself. It is =
wrong.=20
Clearly this is a tortuous case. But it is precisely such moments when =
morality and truth must serve as our guide. Terri Schaivo is not on life =
support. She is not dying. Good evidence exists to suggest that she is =
responsive. All she receives is food and water, the same as you and me. =
Are we to conclude that she is less than human because she cannot feed =
herself? Can a month old child feed himself? Is an elderly patient =
stricken with some debilitating disease and not unable to feed themself =
suddenly less human? Do we now use an IQ test to determine if someone =
possesses the right to live? Isn't that God's choice? Only God can give =
life, and only He should take it away.=20
Tread carefully if you think this is simply about a dying woman being =
allowed to die peacefully. Remember when were told that Roe versus Wade =
was simply about helping women who had been raped or whose lives were =
imminently threatened? Today few abortions fall into that category, but =
millions of human lives have been sacrificed upon the altars of =
selfishness. And the slide down the slippery slope continues.=20
This case seems complex but it is as simple as four words: Thou shalt =
not kill. If you need a compass for this complex case, you'll find it =
there. If I were the nurse in that hospice center and the directive were =
given to me to discontinue feeding a living human being and watch as =
they starved to death, I couldn't do it. I'd rather get fired, resign, =
or do something else. This isn't about letting someone die; this is =
about causing someone's death. There is a huge difference.=20
Her name is Terri. She can open her eyes. She watches a balloon as it =
crosses the room. She listens to music. She responds to her mother's =
loving attention. She has something very precious, she has life, =
something only God can give. Her name is Terri and she matters to God. =
She should matter to us.=20
--=20
=20
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell =
because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins =
and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and =
take away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.ArmyofGod.com
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Terri Schiavo=20
=91should matter to us,=92

By Pastor William E. Rice
Her name is Sharon. You don=92t know her, =
but God does.=20
She matters to God, she matters to me, and how she is treated should =
matter to=20
you. She will never engage in stimulating conversation or ponder =
political=20
debates. She will never read a book or write a paragraph. She will never =
marry=20
or raise children or even earn her own keep. But she matters. =

Sharon is my handicapped sister, she is =
mentally=20
impaired, severely so, and has been from birth. My brother and I watched =
our=20
parents care for her and somehow we learned an intuitive almost unspoken =
lesson.=20
Her life is valuable, as valuable as that of her two brothers, both =
active in=20
ministry. Whatever difference exists between her IQ and mine, imagine =
the gap=20
between mine and God=92s! Yet he loved me and valued me so much that He =
would send=20
the jewel of heaven to buy me back. He made me and redeemed me and that =
is the=20
heart of our conviction about human life=97everyone matters to God. =
Which brings=20
us to Terri Schiavo. 
The facts of the case are well known and few =
have done=20
as admirable a job of reporting them as has the Florida Baptist Witness. =
It is a=20
matter of record that the judge in the case, Judge Greer, is an inactive =
member=20
of Calvary Baptist Church, where I have pastored for 5 months. Though I =
have=20
been Calvary=92s pastor for only a short time I have loved this church =
for nearly=20
30 years, since I spent my teenage years growing in this community of =
faith.=20
Some have wondered about the commitment of our church to the Sanctity of =
Human=20
Life. There is no need to wonder. Our convictions have been clear and=20
consistent. In this cultural battleground our church arrived early, has =
fought=20
hard and stayed faithful. For over 30 years Calvary has sounded a clear =
trumpet=20
about the sanctity of human life. Our beloved former pastor Dr. Bill =
Anderson=20
was an early champion in the cause and his frequent prophetic appeals to =
oppose=20
abortion and stand for life will never be forgotten by those of us =
fortunate=20
enough to have grown under his pastoral care. Our church was =
instrumental in the=20
founding of the Bay Area Crisis Pregnancy Center that for over 20 years =
has=20
served to help women in difficult circumstances choose life. =

Like many of you we have tried to articulate =
and=20
uphold an ethic of life consistent with a Christian worldview. We have =
tried to=20
speak the truth in love to a culture bent of selfishness and hedonistic=20
pursuits. Like our Florida Baptist family, and our larger Southern =
Baptist=20
family, we have taken our stand for life. That stand articulated in many =
ways,=20
one of which is our enthusiastic support of this publication, has become =
one of=20
the reasons that Judge Greer has disassociated himself from Calvary and =
has=20
publicly criticized us in the St. Petersburg Times. 
Like evangelicals across the world we are =
horrified at=20
the thought that a handicapped woman could be in effect starved to death =
before=20
a watching world. Like many pastors I am not an expert in the law. I =
cannot=20
debate the variances of custody rights, or even debate the medical =
analysis of a=20
Persistent Vegetative State versus a Minimally Conscious State. But I =
know right=20
from wrong. I know what God thinks about human life. I know there is =
only one=20
way to describe the prospect of starving a woman to death because she =
cannot=20
feed herself. It is wrong. 
Clearly this is a tortuous case. But it is =
precisely=20
such moments when morality and truth must serve as our guide. Terri =
Schaivo is=20
not on life support. She is not dying. Good evidence exists to suggest =
that she=20
is responsive. All she receives is food and water, the same as you and =
me. Are=20
we to conclude that she is less than human because she cannot feed =
herself? Can=20
a month old child feed himself? Is an elderly patient stricken with some =
debilitating disease and not unable to feed themself suddenly less =
human? Do we=20
now use an IQ test to determine if someone possesses the right to live? =
Isn=92t=20
that God=92s choice? Only God can give life, and only He should take it =
away.=20

Tread carefully if you think this is simply =
about a=20
dying woman being allowed to die peacefully. Remember when were told =
that Roe=20
versus Wade was simply about helping women who had been raped or whose =
lives=20
were imminently threatened? Today few abortions fall into that category, =
but=20
millions of human lives have been sacrificed upon the altars of =
selfishness. And=20
the slide down the slippery slope continues. 
This case seems complex but it is as simple =
as four=20
words: Thou shalt not kill. If you need a compass for this complex case, =
you=92ll=20
find it there. If I were the nurse in that hospice center and the =
directive were=20
given to me to discontinue feeding a living human being and watch as =
they=20
starved to death, I couldn=92t do it. I=92d rather get fired, resign, or =
do=20
something else. This isn=92t about letting someone die; this is about =
causing=20
someone=92s death. There is a huge difference. 
Her name is Terri. She can open her eyes. =
She watches=20
a balloon as it crosses the room. She listens to music. She responds to =
her=20
mother=92s loving attention. She has something very precious, she has =
life,=20
something only God can give. Her name is Terri and she matters to God. =
She=20
should matter to us. </DIV>
<DIV> --   SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear =
Jesus, I am a=20
sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you =
died on=20
the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask =
you now to=20
come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. <A=20
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User: "Mitchell Holman"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	30 Mar 2005 06:26:23 AM

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in
news:aHq2e.89781$755.19210@lakeread05:

Terri Schiavo 'should matter to us,'

By Pastor William E. Rice

This case seems complex but it is as simple as four words:
Thou shalt not kill. If you need a compass for this complex
case, you'll find it there. If I were the nurse in that
hospice center and the directive were given to me to discontinue
feeding a living human being and watch as they starved to death,
I couldn't do it. I'd rather get fired, resign, or do something
else. This isn't about letting someone die; this is
about causing someone's death. There is a huge difference.

So what you are saying is that even if someone
signs a physicians directive saying they DON'T want
to be kept alive you would disobey it. Where does your
religion say that life should be forced on people who
clearly don't want it?
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	30 Mar 2005 07:05:05 AM

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:26:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xns962941AECD78ta2eene2@216.196.97.131> wrote:

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in
news:aHq2e.89781$755.19210@lakeread05:

That is one of the advantages of his religion - it can support
anything with the proper 'interpretation' and out of context
quotations.
Ain 't god wonderful? Or perhaps I should say 'useful'.
As far as the Spitzer is concerned:
http://www.usd.edu/dmhi/gr/Army_God.html
.

User: "Mitchell Holman"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	30 Mar 2005 07:30:37 AM

Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:1g8l41h0r3u2lo8pokbjdcddr01vu4op51@4ax.com:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:26:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xns962941AECD78ta2eene2@216.196.97.131> wrote:

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in
news:aHq2e.89781$755.19210@lakeread05:

That is one of the advantages of his religion - it can support
anything with the proper 'interpretation' and out of context
quotations.

As long as he is demanding that we enforce
the Ten Commandments, should he insist that we
enforce them all?
Mitchell Holman
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day
shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD .
Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."
Exodus 35:2.
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	30 Mar 2005 08:28:38 AM

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:30:37 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xns96294C92935A3ta2eene2@216.196.97.131> wrote:

Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:1g8l41h0r3u2lo8pokbjdcddr01vu4op51@4ax.com:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:26:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xns962941AECD78ta2eene2@216.196.97.131> wrote:

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in
news:aHq2e.89781$755.19210@lakeread05:

That is one of the advantages of his religion - it can support
anything with the proper 'interpretation' and out of context
quotations.

As long as he is demanding that we enforce
the Ten Commandments, should he insist that we
enforce them all?

Irrelevant. He has no basis for demanding enforcement of even one of
them. They are not law.
.

User: "Rightard Whitey"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	30 Mar 2005 09:03:08 AM

Attila wrote:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:30:37 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xns96294C92935A3ta2eene2@216.196.97.131> wrote:

Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:1g8l41h0r3u2lo8pokbjdcddr01vu4op51@4ax.com:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:26:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eneNo*Email@comcast.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<Xns962941AECD78ta2eene2@216.196.97.131> wrote:

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in
news:aHq2e.89781$755.19210@lakeread05:

That is one of the advantages of his religion - it can support
anything with the proper 'interpretation' and out of context
quotations.

As long as he is demanding that we enforce
the Ten Commandments, should he insist that we
enforce them all?

Irrelevant. He has no basis for demanding enforcement of even one of
them. They are not law.

The irony of this case is the Republicans would have heart failure if
the Medicaid budget was increased so that every person in a persistent
vegetative state was kept alive until they naturally expired. Orthodox
Jews and Islamic people believe medical procedures such as feeding tubes
are interfering with the natural process of death.
I could sum up this case in nine words. The Schindlers fought the law
and the law won. The Ten Commandments have no bearing on this case at
all because US laws are derived from the US Constitution and English
Common Law.
.

User: "gaffo"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	31 Mar 2005 10:04:44 PM

Rightard Whitey wrote:

The Ten Commandments have no bearing on this case at
all because US laws are derived from the US Constitution and English
Common Law.

And Jury Powers - derived originally from Dane Law, via Britain.
.

User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	01 Apr 2005 06:34:27 AM

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If only you left abortion out of it, I wouldn't have been able to agree =
with you more.
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message =
news:aHq2e.89781$755.19210@lakeread05...
Terri Schiavo 'should matter to us,'
By Pastor William E. Rice
Her name is Sharon. You don't know her, but God does. She matters to =
God, she matters to me, and how she is treated should matter to you. She =
will never engage in stimulating conversation or ponder political =
debates. She will never read a book or write a paragraph. She will never =
marry or raise children or even earn her own keep. But she matters.=20
Sharon is my handicapped sister, she is mentally impaired, severely =
so, and has been from birth. My brother and I watched our parents care =
for her and somehow we learned an intuitive almost unspoken lesson. Her =
life is valuable, as valuable as that of her two brothers, both active =
in ministry. Whatever difference exists between her IQ and mine, imagine =
the gap between mine and God's! Yet he loved me and valued me so much =
that He would send the jewel of heaven to buy me back. He made me and =
redeemed me and that is the heart of our conviction about human =
life-everyone matters to God. Which brings us to Terri Schiavo.=20
The facts of the case are well known and few have done as admirable a =
job of reporting them as has the Florida Baptist Witness. It is a matter =
of record that the judge in the case, Judge Greer, is an inactive member =
of Calvary Baptist Church, where I have pastored for 5 months. Though I =
have been Calvary's pastor for only a short time I have loved this =
church for nearly 30 years, since I spent my teenage years growing in =
this community of faith. Some have wondered about the commitment of our =
church to the Sanctity of Human Life. There is no need to wonder. Our =
convictions have been clear and consistent. In this cultural =
battleground our church arrived early, has fought hard and stayed =
faithful. For over 30 years Calvary has sounded a clear trumpet about =
the sanctity of human life. Our beloved former pastor Dr. Bill Anderson =
was an early champion in the cause and his frequent prophetic appeals to =
oppose abortion and stand for life will never be forgotten by those of =
us fortunate enough to have grown under his pastoral care. Our church =
was instrumental in the founding of the Bay Area Crisis Pregnancy Center =
that for over 20 years has served to help women in difficult =
circumstances choose life.=20
Like many of you we have tried to articulate and uphold an ethic of =
life consistent with a Christian worldview. We have tried to speak the =
truth in love to a culture bent of selfishness and hedonistic pursuits. =
Like our Florida Baptist family, and our larger Southern Baptist family, =
we have taken our stand for life. That stand articulated in many ways, =
one of which is our enthusiastic support of this publication, has become =
one of the reasons that Judge Greer has disassociated himself from =
Calvary and has publicly criticized us in the St. Petersburg Times.=20
Like evangelicals across the world we are horrified at the thought =
that a handicapped woman could be in effect starved to death before a =
watching world. Like many pastors I am not an expert in the law. I =
cannot debate the variances of custody rights, or even debate the =
medical analysis of a Persistent Vegetative State versus a Minimally =
Conscious State. But I know right from wrong. I know what God thinks =
about human life. I know there is only one way to describe the prospect =
of starving a woman to death because she cannot feed herself. It is =
wrong.=20
Clearly this is a tortuous case. But it is precisely such moments when =
morality and truth must serve as our guide. Terri Schaivo is not on life =
support. She is not dying. Good evidence exists to suggest that she is =
responsive. All she receives is food and water, the same as you and me. =
Are we to conclude that she is less than human because she cannot feed =
herself? Can a month old child feed himself? Is an elderly patient =
stricken with some debilitating disease and not unable to feed themself =
suddenly less human? Do we now use an IQ test to determine if someone =
possesses the right to live? Isn't that God's choice? Only God can give =
life, and only He should take it away.=20
Tread carefully if you think this is simply about a dying woman being =
allowed to die peacefully. Remember when were told that Roe versus Wade =
was simply about helping women who had been raped or whose lives were =
imminently threatened? Today few abortions fall into that category, but =
millions of human lives have been sacrificed upon the altars of =
selfishness. And the slide down the slippery slope continues.=20
This case seems complex but it is as simple as four words: Thou shalt =
not kill. If you need a compass for this complex case, you'll find it =
there. If I were the nurse in that hospice center and the directive were =
given to me to discontinue feeding a living human being and watch as =
they starved to death, I couldn't do it. I'd rather get fired, resign, =
or do something else. This isn't about letting someone die; this is =
about causing someone's death. There is a huge difference.=20
Her name is Terri. She can open her eyes. She watches a balloon as it =
crosses the room. She listens to music. She responds to her mother's =
loving attention. She has something very precious, she has life, =
something only God can give. Her name is Terri and she matters to God. =
She should matter to us.=20
--=20
=20
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal =
hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my =
sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my =
heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. =
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Terri=20
Schiavo =91should matter to us,=92

By Pastor William E. Rice
Her name is Sharon. You don=92t know her, =
but God=20
does. She matters to God, she matters to me, and how she is treated =
should=20
matter to you. She will never engage in stimulating conversation or =
ponder=20
political debates. She will never read a book or write a paragraph. =
She will=20
never marry or raise children or even earn her own keep. But she =
matters.=20

Sharon is my handicapped sister, she is =
mentally=20
impaired, severely so, and has been from birth. My brother and I =
watched our=20
parents care for her and somehow we learned an intuitive almost =
unspoken=20
lesson. Her life is valuable, as valuable as that of her two brothers, =
both=20
active in ministry. Whatever difference exists between her IQ and =
mine,=20
imagine the gap between mine and God=92s! Yet he loved me and valued =
me so much=20
that He would send the jewel of heaven to buy me back. He made me and =
redeemed=20
me and that is the heart of our conviction about human life=97everyone =
matters=20
to God. Which brings us to Terri Schiavo. 
The facts of the case are well known and =
few have=20
done as admirable a job of reporting them as has the Florida Baptist =
Witness.=20
It is a matter of record that the judge in the case, Judge Greer, is =
an=20
inactive member of Calvary Baptist Church, where I have pastored for 5 =
months.=20
Though I have been Calvary=92s pastor for only a short time I have =
loved this=20
church for nearly 30 years, since I spent my teenage years growing in =
this=20
community of faith. Some have wondered about the commitment of our =
church to=20
the Sanctity of Human Life. There is no need to wonder. Our =
convictions have=20
been clear and consistent. In this cultural battleground our church =
arrived=20
early, has fought hard and stayed faithful. For over 30 years Calvary =
has=20
sounded a clear trumpet about the sanctity of human life. Our beloved =
former=20
pastor Dr. Bill Anderson was an early champion in the cause and his =
frequent=20
prophetic appeals to oppose abortion and stand for life will never be=20
forgotten by those of us fortunate enough to have grown under his =
pastoral=20
care. Our church was instrumental in the founding of the Bay Area =
Crisis=20
Pregnancy Center that for over 20 years has served to help women in =
difficult=20
circumstances choose life. 
Like many of you we have tried to =
articulate and=20
uphold an ethic of life consistent with a Christian worldview. We have =
tried=20
to speak the truth in love to a culture bent of selfishness and =
hedonistic=20
pursuits. Like our Florida Baptist family, and our larger Southern =
Baptist=20
family, we have taken our stand for life. That stand articulated in =
many ways,=20
one of which is our enthusiastic support of this publication, has =
become one=20
of the reasons that Judge Greer has disassociated himself from Calvary =
and has=20
publicly criticized us in the St. Petersburg Times. 
Like evangelicals across the world we are =
horrified=20
at the thought that a handicapped woman could be in effect starved to =
death=20
before a watching world. Like many pastors I am not an expert in the =
law. I=20
cannot debate the variances of custody rights, or even debate the =
medical=20
analysis of a Persistent Vegetative State versus a Minimally Conscious =
State.=20
But I know right from wrong. I know what God thinks about human life. =
I know=20
there is only one way to describe the prospect of starving a woman to =
death=20
because she cannot feed herself. It is wrong. 
Clearly this is a tortuous case. But it is =
precisely=20
such moments when morality and truth must serve as our guide. Terri =
Schaivo is=20
not on life support. She is not dying. Good evidence exists to suggest =
that=20
she is responsive. All she receives is food and water, the same as you =
and me.=20
Are we to conclude that she is less than human because she cannot feed =
herself? Can a month old child feed himself? Is an elderly patient =
stricken=20
with some debilitating disease and not unable to feed themself =
suddenly less=20
human? Do we now use an IQ test to determine if someone possesses the =
right to=20
live? Isn=92t that God=92s choice? Only God can give life, and only He =
should take=20
it away. 
Tread carefully if you think this is =
simply about a=20
dying woman being allowed to die peacefully. Remember when were told =
that Roe=20
versus Wade was simply about helping women who had been raped or whose =
lives=20
were imminently threatened? Today few abortions fall into that =
category, but=20
millions of human lives have been sacrificed upon the altars of =
selfishness.=20
And the slide down the slippery slope continues. 
This case seems complex but it is as =
simple as four=20
words: Thou shalt not kill. If you need a compass for this complex =
case,=20
you=92ll find it there. If I were the nurse in that hospice center and =
the=20
directive were given to me to discontinue feeding a living human being =
and=20
watch as they starved to death, I couldn=92t do it. I=92d rather get =
fired,=20
resign, or do something else. This isn=92t about letting someone die; =
this is=20
about causing someone=92s death. There is a huge difference. =

Her name is Terri. She can open her eyes. =
She=20
watches a balloon as it crosses the room. She listens to music. She =
responds=20
to her mother=92s loving attention. She has something very precious, =
she has=20
life, something only God can give. Her name is Terri and she matters =
to God.=20
She should matter to us. </DIV>
<DIV> --   SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear =
Jesus, I am a=20
sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you =
died on=20
the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask =
you now=20
to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. =
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User: "basilod"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	30 Mar 2005 01:09:54 AM

Why do conservatives/believers of all shades so ardently defend Terri's
right to "live" (in this case to live means: forceful continuation of
metabolism - no more, no less)? - There seems to be one feature in common
between Terri and all the defenders of her right to "live": they are all
severely mentally impaired. With Terri this is the result of unfortunate
physical malfunction and of subsequent trauma to the brain, with all of the
conservative/believers it is the result of conscious ideological choice.
Conservatives are just too scared to adjust their mental braces - they are
afraid that once adjusted, those new braces will never fit their narrow
minds. They are too afraid to adjust their rigid multi-centuries-old values
to the ever-faster changing realities of today's dynamic world
Human life cannot be reduced to metabolism alone (even if a "living" object
is able to "watch a balloon"!). Such a state can be acceptable in a
new-born baby as a short transient stage, but if it is the end state,
sustaining it is totally senseless.
Also, think wider, think economically: If we create a precedent of
artificially sustaining indefinitely vegetative states, tomorrow the
Medicaid, Medicare and all the insurances will crash under the weight of the
costs of such a humanitarian but senseless sustaining of mere metabolism in
millions of patients.
_______________________________________________________
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:aHq2e.89781$755.19210@lakeread05...
Terri Schiavo 'should matter to us,'
Her name is Terri. She can open her eyes. She watches a balloon as it
crosses the room. She listens to music. She responds to her mother's loving
attention. She has something very precious, she has life, something only God
can give. Her name is Terri and she matters to God. She should matter to us.
--
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell
because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and
to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take
away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.ArmyofGod.com
.

User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 11:12:42 AM

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$ alone...
I am very sorrowful.
"basilod" <basilod@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:6hs2e.633$44.454@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...

Why do conservatives/believers of all shades so ardently defend Terri's
right to "live" (in this case to live means: forceful continuation of
metabolism - no more, no less)? - There seems to be one feature in common
between Terri and all the defenders of her right to "live": they are all
severely mentally impaired. With Terri this is the result of unfortunate
physical malfunction and of subsequent trauma to the brain, with all of
the conservative/believers it is the result of conscious ideological
choice. Conservatives are just too scared to adjust their mental braces -
they are afraid that once adjusted, those new braces will never fit their
narrow minds. They are too afraid to adjust their rigid
multi-centuries-old values to the ever-faster changing realities of
today's dynamic world

Human life cannot be reduced to metabolism alone (even if a "living"
object is able to "watch a balloon"!). Such a state can be acceptable in
a new-born baby as a short transient stage, but if it is the end state,
sustaining it is totally senseless.

Also, think wider, think economically: If we create a precedent of
artificially sustaining indefinitely vegetative states, tomorrow the
Medicaid, Medicare and all the insurances will crash under the weight of
the costs of such a humanitarian but senseless sustaining of mere
metabolism in millions of patients.
_______________________________________________________

"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:aHq2e.89781$755.19210@lakeread05...
Terri Schiavo 'should matter to us,'
Her name is Terri. She can open her eyes. She watches a balloon as it
crosses the room. She listens to music. She responds to her mother's
loving attention. She has something very precious, she has life, something
only God can give. Her name is Terri and she matters to God. She should
matter to us.

--

SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell
because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins
and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and
take away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.ArmyofGod.com

User: "Lovin Spoonful invalid@invalid"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 04:30:13 PM

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$

alone...

I am very sorrowful.

=====================
You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around. Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?
LS
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 06:22:55 PM

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$

alone...

I am very sorrowful.

=====================
You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others?
Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 10:13:37 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$
alone... I am very sorrowful.

You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It's all about money in your little matchbox world - after all, you demand
others pay you to prove your own idiotic assertions. Perhaps if you hadn't
decided to refuse to work these last dozen years, you'd actually be able to
pay attention.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the death
of others? Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

Or what? You'll waste another 250+-line post with the longest line being "GOD
DAMN! !!!LOL!!!" repeated ad nauseam?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Utah 4, Houston 3 (SO) (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 19 at Chicago, 7:05 (Game 1)
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 10:31:41 PM

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szksm1nwja6.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$
alone... I am very sorrowful.

You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It's all about money in your little matchbox world - after all, you demand
others pay you to prove your own idiotic assertions. Perhaps if you
hadn't
decided to refuse to work these last dozen years, you'd actually be able
to
pay attention.

I do not pay attention to the type of people that lied to and about me in
1993.
And, I did not refuse to work.
Maybe if you would pay attention and stop being so prejudiced you would be
able to stand and tell the truth.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death
of others? Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

Or what? You'll waste another 250+-line post with the longest line being
"GOD
DAMN! !!!LOL!!!" repeated ad nauseam?

You care?
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 11:40:35 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szksm1nwja6.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$
alone... I am very sorrowful.

You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

I do not pay attention to the type of people that lied to and about me in
1993. And, I did not refuse to work.

You'd better hope no one Googles that claim.

Maybe if you would pay attention and stop being so prejudiced you would be
able to stand and tell the truth.

I tell the truth more in one day than you have since 1991. That's a pretty
good bet.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others? Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll
freak.

Or what? You'll waste another 250+-line post with the longest line being
"*****! !!!LOL!!!" repeated ad nauseam?

You care?

I'm just putting up my opinions of your incoherent charade. Don't like it?
Have your keeper teach you how to filter it out.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Utah 4, Houston 3 (SO) (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 19 at Chicago, 7:05 (Game 1)
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	19 Apr 2005 12:29:41 AM

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szk8y3fv0os.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szksm1nwja6.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$
alone... I am very sorrowful.

You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It's all about money in your little matchbox world - after all, you
demand
others pay you to prove your own idiotic assertions. Perhaps if you
hadn't
decided to refuse to work these last dozen years, you'd actually be able
to
pay attention.

I do not pay attention to the type of people that lied to and about me in
1993. And, I did not refuse to work.

You'd better hope no one Googles that claim.

What is different about it than anything I said before?

Maybe if you would pay attention and stop being so prejudiced you would be
able to stand and tell the truth.

I tell the truth more in one day than you have since 1991.

Can anyone who is for something that he himself does not practice be so
truthful?

That's a pretty
good bet.

You wanna bet?

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the
money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others? Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll
freak.

Or what? You'll waste another 250+-line post with the longest line
being
"*****! !!!LOL!!!" repeated ad nauseam?

You care?

I'm just putting up my opinions of your incoherent charade. Don't like
it?
Have your keeper teach you how to filter it out.

And, who would my keeper be?

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Utah 4, Houston 3 (SO) (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 19 at Chicago, 7:05 (Game 1)

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	19 Apr 2005 01:53:59 AM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szk8y3fv0os.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szksm1nwja6.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$
alone... I am very sorrowful.

You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It's all about money in your little matchbox world - after all, you
demand others pay you to prove your own idiotic assertions. Perhaps if
you hadn't decided to refuse to work these last dozen years, you'd
actually be able to pay attention.

I do not pay attention to the type of people that lied to and about me in
1993. And, I did not refuse to work.

You'd better hope no one Googles that claim.

What is different about it than anything I said before?

Your own admission that you refused to work, because of the corrupt officials
running this country/state/whatever political subdivision you're whining
about.

Maybe if you would pay attention and stop being so prejudiced you would be
able to stand and tell the truth.

I tell the truth more in one day than you have since 1991.

Can anyone who is for something that he himself does not practice be so
truthful?

I'll never be pregnant, but I support a woman's right to make her own choice.

That's a pretty good bet.

You wanna bet?

I don't make bets with documented liars *or* the insane. You're right out.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the
money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others? Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll
freak.

Or what? You'll waste another 250+-line post with the longest line being
"*****! !!!LOL!!!" repeated ad nauseam?

You care?

I'm just putting up my opinions of your incoherent charade. Don't like it?
Have your keeper teach you how to filter it out.

And, who would my keeper be?

Damn if I know - I'm 900 miles away from you, remember?
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Utah 4, Houston 3 (SO) (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 19 at Chicago, 7:05 (Game 1)
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	19 Apr 2005 02:45:07 AM

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szk64yjtfy0.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szk8y3fv0os.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szksm1nwja6.fsf@eris.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in
message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$
alone... I am very sorrowful.

You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to
go
around.

It's all about money?

It's all about money in your little matchbox world - after all, you
demand others pay you to prove your own idiotic assertions. Perhaps
if
you hadn't decided to refuse to work these last dozen years, you'd
actually be able to pay attention.

I do not pay attention to the type of people that lied to and about me
in
1993. And, I did not refuse to work.

You'd better hope no one Googles that claim.

What is different about it than anything I said before?

Your own admission that you refused to work, because of the corrupt
officials
running this country/state/whatever political subdivision you're whining
about.

Was that 1993?
Was that before I was failed so miserably?

Maybe if you would pay attention and stop being so prejudiced you would
be
able to stand and tell the truth.

I tell the truth more in one day than you have since 1991.

Can anyone who is for something that he himself does not practice be so
truthful?

I'll never be pregnant, but I support a woman's right to make her own
choice.

That's a pretty good bet.

You wanna bet?

I don't make bets with documented liars *or* the insane. You're right
out.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the
money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from
the
death of others? Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and
roll
freak.

Or what? You'll waste another 250+-line post with the longest line
being
"*****! !!!LOL!!!" repeated ad nauseam?

You care?

I'm just putting up my opinions of your incoherent charade. Don't like
it?
Have your keeper teach you how to filter it out.

And, who would my keeper be?

Damn if I know - I'm 900 miles away from you, remember?

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Utah 4, Houston 3 (SO) (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 19 at Chicago, 7:05 (Game 1)

User: "Lovin Spoonful invalid@invalid"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 06:41:31 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$

alone...

I am very sorrowful.

=====================
You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It all about money that's LIMITED. What don't you understand about that?

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others?

A human vegetable is DEAD.

Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

Idiot! You'd put a brain-dead human vegetable before a person who needed a
transplant to live..... you're sick! In fact I think you're little more
than a common troll.
LS
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 10:15:57 PM

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> writes:

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
news:qfX8e.96075$vK6.77534@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
news:426428a9$0$79455$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...

"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:1167mh2bfsbe400@corp.supernews.com...

Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$

alone...

I am very sorrowful.

=====================
You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It all about money that's LIMITED. What don't you understand about that?

You might as well ask what he _does_ understand. It's a lot shorter list.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others?

A human vegetable is DEAD.

Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

Idiot! You'd put a brain-dead human vegetable before a person who needed a
transplant to live..... you're sick! In fact I think you're little more
than a common troll.

He'd have to be nominally sane to do that...his history indicates that he's
Just Plain Nuts, in my opinion. (If he thinks I'm practicing medicine without
a license this time, he can always call 713 308-8000.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Utah 4, Houston 3 (SO) (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 19 at Chicago, 7:05 (Game 1)
.

User: "Lovin Spoonful invalid@invalid"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	19 Apr 2005 10:02:35 AM

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> writes:

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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Idiot! You'd put a brain-dead human vegetable before a person who needed

transplant to live..... you're sick! In fact I think you're little more
than a common troll.

He'd have to be nominally sane to do that...his history indicates that

he's

Just Plain Nuts, in my opinion. (If he thinks I'm practicing medicine

without

a license this time, he can always call 713 308-8000.)

I agree. Johnny sounds like a raving loon with serious control issues. He
seems to have a problem understanding that there is a limited amount of cash
out there for health care. If he feels there should be more available he
should fight to change the laws.
LS
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User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	19 Apr 2005 11:14:09 AM

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> writes:

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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Idiot! You'd put a brain-dead human vegetable before a person who needed a
transplant to live..... you're sick! In fact I think you're little more
than a common troll.

That would be logical - the fly in the ointment is, South Carolina's elected
officials already have plans for the money they can get their hands on, and
Johnny's not invited to the conference. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Utah 4, Houston 3 (SO) (April 17)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 19 at Chicago, 7:05 (Game 1)
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 06:52:08 PM

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$

alone...

I am very sorrowful.

=====================
You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It all about money that's LIMITED.

If the money is limited then why pay for abortions?

What don't you understand about that?

I understand much, and probably much more than you.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others?

A human vegetable is DEAD.

Was it you?

Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

Idiot!

Me, an idiot?
Grow up and look in the mirror, acid head.

You'd put a brain-dead human vegetable before a person who needed a
transplant to live

Life is the commandment.
Why do you like to pick and choose so much?

..... you're sick!

Not in fact.
Your mental state is to be documented in psychology books in the near future
as something a neurotic disorder called something such as a fear of those
weaker than themselves.

In fact I think you're little more
than a common troll.

Your mother taught you about trolls?

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 10:22:53 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
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"Lovin' Spoonful" <invalid@invalid> wrote in message
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Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$

alone...

I am very sorrowful.

You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It all about money that's LIMITED.

If the money is limited then why pay for abortions?

That's up to the person who makes the choice - it's their judgement, not yours.

What don't you understand about that?

I understand much, and probably much more than you.

!!!LOL!!! (No, I'm not paying you royalties for using it.)

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the money
where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others?

A human vegetable is DEAD.

Was it you?

No, but unfortunately, it wasn't you.

Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

Idiot!

Me, an idiot?

It's a promotion for you, son.

Grow up and look in the mirror, acid head.

LSD-25 would make you saner, judging from your recent meltdowns.

You'd put a brain-dead human vegetable before a person who needed a
transplant to live

Life is the commandment. Why do you like to pick and choose so much?

It's okay for YOU, but no one else is allowed to pick and choose?

..... you're sick!

Not in fact.

It's just a coincidence that your entire Usenet output strongly supports that
opinion.

Your mental state is to be documented in psychology books in the near future
as something a neurotic disorder called something such as a fear of those
weaker than themselves.

Why would s/he be afraid of YOU?

In fact I think you're little more than a common troll.

Your mother taught you about trolls?

Your poor mother deserves a better life than what she's saddled with now,
having to put up with you - especially since she's no younger than her early
to mid 60s by now...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Utah 4, Houston 3 (SO) (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Tuesday, April 19 at Chicago, 7:05 (Game 1)
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User: "Lovin Spoonful invalid@invalid"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 07:26:58 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$

alone...

I am very sorrowful.

=====================
You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to go
around.

It's all about money?

It all about money that's LIMITED.

If the money is limited then why pay for abortions?

Are YOU paying for someone's abortions? if a woman has the money to pay for
an abortion that's her business. Keeping a human vegetable alive costs
untold millions over their lifetime and we all have to pay.

What don't you understand about that?

I understand much, and probably much more than you.

I doubt it by what you write here.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the

money

where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from the
death of others?

A human vegetable is DEAD.

Was it you?

Was it YOU?

Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

Idiot!

Me, an idiot?
Grow up and look in the mirror, acid head.

What the hell is an acid head?

You'd put a brain-dead human vegetable before a person who needed a
transplant to live

Life is the commandment.
Why do you like to pick and choose so much?

Why do you?

..... you're sick!

Not in fact.
Your mental state is to be documented in psychology books in the near

future

as something a neurotic disorder called something such as a fear of those
weaker than themselves.

Get real bible-thumper!

In fact I think you're little more
than a common troll.

Your mother taught you about trolls?

Did yours?
LS
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	18 Apr 2005 09:29:48 PM

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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in
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Sad, that people can actually now measure life on the bases of $$$$

alone...

I am very sorrowful.

=====================
You don't seem to understand that there is only so many dollars to
go
around.

It's all about money?

It all about money that's LIMITED.

If the money is limited then why pay for abortions?

Are YOU paying for someone's abortions?

Why are you DODGING now?
I asked you a direct question.
If money is LIMITED then why pay for abortion ON DEMAND?

if a woman has the money to pay for
an abortion that's her business.

Not the question, dumbass.

Keeping a human vegetable alive costs
untold millions over their lifetime and we all have to pay.

Untold millions?
Is that how insurance companies set rates now?

What don't you understand about that?

I understand much, and probably much more than you.

I doubt it by what you write here.

Nah. You probbaly are quite certain that I am telling the truth.
Most of you Pro-Choicers rely on so many lies, there is nothing you can tell
me to make me be on your side.

Why deny someone without insurance a transplant yet keep a human
vegetable alive for many, many years? Isn't it better to use the

money

where it would do the most good?

Sacrifice, as in abortion ON DEMAND, so that others may PROFIT from
the
death of others?

A human vegetable is DEAD.

Was it you?

Was it YOU?

It wasn't me.
Was it you?
Now, if you tel me what you want in that situation it is still an unmerited
claim by someone other than the person who was put to death.
How many more people do you want to put to death in the name of $$$$?

Get out, Woodstock, hippie, sex, drugs, rock and roll freak.

Idiot!

Me, an idiot?
Grow up and look in the mirror, acid head.

What the hell is an acid head?

Like you don't know?

You'd put a brain-dead human vegetable before a person who needed a
transplant to live

Life is the commandment.
Why do you like to pick and choose so much?

Why do you?

How am I picking?
Your nickname seems to be a misnomer.
Why don't you change it to something that reflects your character more
accurately, like "I like abortion on demand and pulling tubes on the
defenseless to save $$$$".

..... you're sick!

Not in fact.
Your mental state is to be documented in psychology books in the near

future

as a neurotic disorder called something such as a fear of those
weaker than themselves.

Get real bible-thumper!

Where did I mention the Bible, wimpboy?
You got nothing better than that in your arsenal of excuses and insults and
money-loving dictums?

In fact I think you're little more
than a common troll.

Your mother taught you about trolls?

Did yours?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who taught you about living humans in utero and about pulling feeding tubes
from defenseless already born humans?
And, BTW, you;re the stupid troll who waits under the bridge for someone to
pull the tube on via abortion on euthanasia.
Good thing I am not some goat.
But, think about the fairy tale how the Billy Goat's Gruff kicked your troll
*****.
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User: "Lovin Spoonful invalid@invalid"
Title: Re: Terri Schiavo should matter to us	19 Apr 2005 09:52:03 AM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote in message
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But, think about the fairy tale how the Billy Goat's Gruff kicked your

troll

*****.

You're obviously a raving loon who wants to force women back to the back
alleys for illegal abortions and possible death for themselves. You
couldn't care less about the welfare of women and born children if you
tried. This is all a control and punish-the-women issue with you - nothing
more. You're a sadist and a misogynist.
LS
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