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"Papa Jack" |
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28 Apr 2004 05:34:44 PM |
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Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric |
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/Politics/Terrorists.Cheer.Kerrys.Rhetoric-670185.shtml
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Excerpts:
"Exploiting the liberties of free societies, terrorists are using
the mass media to sow divisions among and within the democracies,
terrorism experts report....
"Playing directly into the terrorists' hands is Bush's increasingly
shrill challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.). Democracies long
have been vulnerable to manipulation by hostile foreign powers....
"Even now, external enemies are attacking the political fortress of
the United States and its democratic allies through propaganda by
word and deed. In his taped statement aired on the Wahhabi satel-
lite TV network Al-Jazeera on April 15, Osama bin Laden not only
sought to divide Europe from the United States by offering a
"truce" with European countries that pull out of the coalition in
Iraq, the al-Qaeda leader also explicitly feasted on the feeding
frenzy among bickering American politicians about whether President
Bush was to blame for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"Good propagandists will turn their enemies' words against them,
and the best will sow suspicion and division among them. This is
happening now in the United States, where the terrorist enemy and
its allies are using the rhetoric of the current presidential cam-
paign in their jihad against the nation. Previous cautions against
rash campaign words that provide aid and comfort to the enemy were
thrown out the window long ago. Kerry steadily has become more and
more shrill in his denunciations of the president as a leader, a
man and a politician. Straying from legitimate policy differences
with Bush or a healthy national debate about how best to fight
the terrorist enemy, the Democratic nominee in waiting has yanked
off the safety and fired full auto at the president.
"Al-Jazeera and other anti-U.S. propaganda outlets have been quick
to magnify whatever Kerry says in an attempt to show what a fail-
ure the United States has become under the Bush presidency. Kerry's
increasingly strident and careless statements on the campaign trail
reverberate abroad. His foul-mouthed interview with Rolling Stone
became part of an Al-Jazeera feature on March 16. Although Kerry
voted to let the Iraq war go forward, the Wahhabi-owned TV network
noted, ‘He has suggested Bush's handling of the campaign is 'f-ed
up.'
[...]
"Such words, one of Kerry's former Senate colleagues says, grind
down the image of the United States abroad and damage Washington's
efforts to maintain allies and supporters in the Arabic-speaking
world. With near-daily doses of extreme and careless quotations
from the anti-Bush camp, Arab audiences are led to believe the
worst about U.S. intentions and policies in the war on terrorism.
Rather than helping the war effort with positive alternatives to
counterterrorist policies they consider flawed, Kerry and other
politicians are fanning the flames of hostility in the Islamic
world.
[...]
"The Kerry campaign, meanwhile, is reported to have e-mailed mes-
sages to foreign media outlets, pledging to "repair the damage"
that President Bush allegedly has inflicted on the world. The
Tehran Times, an English-language newspaper in the Iranian capi-
tal, reported Feb. 8 that unnamed Kerry staffers sent an e-mail
to the Tehran-based Mehr News Agency apologizing for the conduct
of the United States in the war on terrorism and saying Kerry is
the man to make things new again. ‘Disappointment with current
U.S. leadership is widespread, extending not just to the corri-
dors of power and politics but to the man and woman on the street
as well,' the message said. ‘We also remain convinced that John
Kerry has the best chance of beating the incumbent in November
and putting America on a new course that will lead to a safer,
more secure and more stable world.'
[...]
"Former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) observed in a recent Washing-
ton Post commentary: ‘Instead of trying to chart a path of pro-
gress, many of the president's critics have devoted themselves
to fomenting public despair over a war, which they keep repeating,
should never have been fought. At the same time critics of the
Bush administration insist it should have done more to combat
al-Qaeda in Afghanistan before Sept 11.' Thompson added, ‘They
miss the more profound lesson that national tragedy should have
instilled: that the only deterrent to terrorism is strength and
that weakness - real and perceived - is an incitement to further
attacks.'
[...]
"As in Vietnam, the Kerry camp seems not to care. The very day
bin Laden's tape was broadcast, Kerry stood in East Rutherford,
N.J., accusing the president of manipulating the war for personal
political gain. ‘Everything he did in Iraq, he's going to try to
persuade people it has to do with terror even though everybody
here knows that it has nothing whatsoever to do with al-Qaeda and
everything to do with an agenda that they had preset, determined,'
Kerry said.
[...]
"That component of strategy is nothing new. The North Vietnamese
regime relied heavily on American antiwar protesters to undermine
the national will and defeat the U.S. military through political
means, in ways that Hanoi could not win on the battlefield....
[...]
"Part of al-Qaeda's ‘counterpropaganda strategy,' according to the
Army report, is to ‘turn people's eyes toward their leaders to put
enemy [U.S. and coalition partners] on defensive, and take the
initiative to affect public opinion.
"...George Washington devoted much of his Farewell Address to the
need to defend the country against foreign subversion designed
to corrupt the national identity. He recognized the difficult
situation that ‘real patriots' who resist foreign intrigues ‘are
liable to become suspected and odious,' while those espousing
‘pretended patriotism' - what he called ‘tools and dupes' of
foreign interests - ‘usurp[ed] the applause and confidence of
the people to surrender their interests.'"
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Papa Jack comments:
Today, we saw Sen. Frank Lautenberg call Vice President Cheney a
"chicken hawk" because he didn't join the military during the Viet
Nam war. I couldn't help but wonder what this poor excuse for a
senator thought of Clinton's draft dodging record.
I keep seeing a mental picture of Osama bin Laden sitting in his
cave near a fire -- with several associates. As they take turns
reading the latest news from the American Democrat Party "tools
and dupes," they laugh loud and long.
"Amazing! Just like in Viet Nam. I told you they were weak,"
laughs Osama, with an evil grin on his face.
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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29 Apr 2004 01:23:20 PM |
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"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
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29 Apr 2004 08:56:36 PM |
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M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped below
50%.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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30 Apr 2004 12:55:41 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sboj$ih3$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped below
50%.
Note: No sources
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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30 Apr 2004 08:16:49 PM |
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"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote in message
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rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
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M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped below
50%.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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30 Apr 2004 01:01:56 AM |
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In article <8912d58d.0404292155.18f80cdf@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c6sboj$ih3$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped below
50%.
Note: No sources
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/29/iraq.poll/index.html
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| User: "Osprey" |
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30 Apr 2004 08:19:25 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:290420042301567128%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <8912d58d.0404292155.18f80cdf@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c6sboj$ih3$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more
for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped below
50%.
Note: No sources
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/29/iraq.poll/index.html
Note: the source above says nothing about less than 50% of Americans think
Bush is doing a good job
If you want to make the biggest mistake we could possibly make, then you go
right ahead and support pulling out.
Your hero...Kerry...even supports staying in.
By the way, did you ever recognize George Bush Sr. as a hero? He served,
and was shot down.
Kerry needed to put a scratch on his finger and yell ouch to get a purple
heart.
Oh wait, Kerry didn't know the difference between a ribbon or a medal
wait...no..Kerry said he didn't throw away any medals...
no..wait...1971..Kerry said he threw maybe 8 or 9 medals...
No wait...tomorrow he will change his mind
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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30 Apr 2004 10:19:29 AM |
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In article <jqmdnUCywefJzw_dRVn-hA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:290420042301567128%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <8912d58d.0404292155.18f80cdf@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c6sboj$ih3$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more
for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped below
50%.
Note: No sources
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/29/iraq.poll/index.html
Note: the source above says nothing about less than 50% of Americans think
Bush is doing a good job
If you want to make the biggest mistake we could possibly make, then you go
right ahead and support pulling out.
You are a parrot. You just repeat what you hear.
Your hero...Kerry...even supports staying in.
So you support Kerry's position on Iraq?
By the way, did you ever recognize George Bush Sr. as a hero? He served,
and was shot down.
Glad you asked. He was a coward.
http://www.awolbush.com/ghwb.html
Now go ahead. Tell us all how you know better than Mierzejewski.
Kerry needed to put a scratch on his finger and yell ouch to get a purple
heart.
That is so fucking stupid it deserves no comment.
Oh wait, Kerry didn't know the difference between a ribbon or a medal
How pathetic the guard has to lie about a war hero.
wait...
Nah. To is drivel...
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| User: "Osprey" |
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30 Apr 2004 02:02:31 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:300420040819290608%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <jqmdnUCywefJzw_dRVn-hA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:290420042301567128%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <8912d58d.0404292155.18f80cdf@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c6sboj$ih3$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done
more
for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush
is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis
think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped
below
50%.
Note: No sources
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/29/iraq.poll/index.html
Note: the source above says nothing about less than 50% of Americans
think
Bush is doing a good job
If you want to make the biggest mistake we could possibly make, then you
go
right ahead and support pulling out.
You are a parrot. You just repeat what you hear.
Oh, so we are not allowed to have our own opinions without you calling
names.
Your hero...Kerry...even supports staying in.
So you support Kerry's position on Iraq?
Not all of his position, I support his opinion that we got to stay in there
though and finish.
By the way, did you ever recognize George Bush Sr. as a hero? He
served,
and was shot down.
Glad you asked. He was a coward.
http://www.awolbush.com/ghwb.html
Now go ahead. Tell us all how you know better than Mierzejewski.
As I thought, you allowed your prejudiced and biased nature to intefere.
Kerry needed to put a scratch on his finger and yell ouch to get a
purple
heart.
That is so fucking stupid it deserves no comment.
Because you have none
Oh wait, Kerry didn't know the difference between a ribbon or a medal
How pathetic the guard has to lie about a war hero.
Once again, when you know you are wrong, you resort to personal attacks
wait...
Nah. To is drivel...
And off you go
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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30 Apr 2004 09:11:06 PM |
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In article <ne6dnTctNLVfPw_dRVn-uw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:300420040819290608%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <jqmdnUCywefJzw_dRVn-hA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:290420042301567128%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...
In article <8912d58d.0404292155.18f80cdf@posting.google.com>, osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<c6sboj$ih3$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done
more
for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush
is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis
think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped
below
50%.
Note: No sources
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/29/iraq.poll/index.html
Note: the source above says nothing about less than 50% of Americans
think
Bush is doing a good job
If you want to make the biggest mistake we could possibly make, then you
go
right ahead and support pulling out.
You are a parrot. You just repeat what you hear.
Oh, so we are not allowed to have our own opinions without you calling
names.
You have your own opinions? Right...
Your hero...Kerry...even supports staying in.
So you support Kerry's position on Iraq?
Not all of his position, I support his opinion that we got to stay in there
though and finish.
Not his position, just his opinion. I see.
By the way, did you ever recognize George Bush Sr. as a hero? He
served,
and was shot down.
Glad you asked. He was a coward.
http://www.awolbush.com/ghwb.html
Now go ahead. Tell us all how you know better than Mierzejewski.
As I thought, you allowed your prejudiced and biased nature to intefere.
Since when is the truth "prejudice" or "bias?"
Kerry needed to put a scratch on his finger and yell ouch to get a
purple
heart.
That is so fucking stupid it deserves no comment.
Because you have none
No - because it is fucking stupid.
Oh wait, Kerry didn't know the difference between a ribbon or a medal
How pathetic the guard has to lie about a war hero.
Once again, when you know you are wrong, you resort to personal attacks
Calling someone a hero is hardly a personal attack.
wait...
Nah. To is drivel...
And off you go
You bet...
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30 Apr 2004 01:22:31 AM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sboj$ih3$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped below
50%.
Note: No sources
Well, well. ***** Heishman is paying attention after all. And
***** Heishman is whining about source when he so often omits or
lies about his sources.
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Despite concerns about their own safety, the majority
of Iraqis say they want the U.S. and British troops now in Iraq to
leave within the next few months, according to a nationwide poll
of people in Iraq.
"There's a sense of disillusionment," Gallup's director of
international polling, Richard Burkholder, said Thursday. "They
had higher expectations of us. If we can sweep their army aside in
a matter of weeks, why can't we stabilize their country? We're a
victim of their high expectations."
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "osprey" |
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30 Apr 2004 05:54:23 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6srb6$7pl$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sboj$ih3$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
M is for Malapert <minxs@sonic.net> wrote:
"Papa Jack" <papajack@stic.net> wrote in message
news:6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
But they want Bush to win. His failed Mideast policy has done more for
terrorists than anything in the last 50 years.
Latest polls show that less than 50% of Americans think that Bush is
doing a good job in Iraq. Interestingly, the number of Iraqis think
that the US should stay and provide security has also dropped below
50%.
Note: No sources
Well, well. ***** Heishman is paying attention after all. And
***** Heishman is whining about source when he so often omits or
lies about his sources.
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Despite concerns about their own safety, the majority
of Iraqis say they want the U.S. and British troops now in Iraq to
leave within the next few months, according to a nationwide poll
of people in Iraq.
"There's a sense of disillusionment," Gallup's director of
international polling, Richard Burkholder, said Thursday. "They
had higher expectations of us. If we can sweep their army aside in
a matter of weeks, why can't we stabilize their country? We're a
victim of their high expectations."
Note: Nothing in there about 50% of Americans or more don't think Bush
is doing a good job in Iraq.
Meanwhile, polls still show more Americans think Bush can handle the
war against Terrorism than Kerry.
The above poll...I suppose Fischer thinks we should pull out.
That would be the worst thing we could do right now and even Democrats
agree with that. Including Kerry.
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28 Apr 2004 09:37:17 PM |
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(Papa Jack) wrote in message news:<6f9e1b49.0404281434.44524156@posting.google.com>...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/Politics/Terrorists.Cheer.Kerrys.Rhetoric-670185.shtml
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Excerpts:
"Exploiting the liberties of free societies, terrorists are using
the mass media to sow divisions among and within the democracies,
terrorism experts report....
"Playing directly into the terrorists' hands is Bush's increasingly
shrill challenger, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.). Democracies long
have been vulnerable to manipulation by hostile foreign powers....
"Even now, external enemies are attacking the political fortress of
the United States and its democratic allies through propaganda by
word and deed. In his taped statement aired on the Wahhabi satel-
lite TV network Al-Jazeera on April 15, Osama bin Laden not only
sought to divide Europe from the United States by offering a
"truce" with European countries that pull out of the coalition in
Iraq, the al-Qaeda leader also explicitly feasted on the feeding
frenzy among bickering American politicians about whether President
Bush was to blame for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
"Good propagandists will turn their enemies' words against them,
and the best will sow suspicion and division among them. This is
happening now in the United States, where the terrorist enemy and
its allies are using the rhetoric of the current presidential cam-
paign in their jihad against the nation. Previous cautions against
rash campaign words that provide aid and comfort to the enemy were
thrown out the window long ago. Kerry steadily has become more and
more shrill in his denunciations of the president as a leader, a
man and a politician. Straying from legitimate policy differences
with Bush or a healthy national debate about how best to fight
the terrorist enemy, the Democratic nominee in waiting has yanked
off the safety and fired full auto at the president.
"Al-Jazeera and other anti-U.S. propaganda outlets have been quick
to magnify whatever Kerry says in an attempt to show what a fail-
ure the United States has become under the Bush presidency. Kerry's
increasingly strident and careless statements on the campaign trail
reverberate abroad. His foul-mouthed interview with Rolling Stone
became part of an Al-Jazeera feature on March 16. Although Kerry
voted to let the Iraq war go forward, the Wahhabi-owned TV network
noted, ?He has suggested Bush's handling of the campaign is 'f-ed
up.'
[...]
"Such words, one of Kerry's former Senate colleagues says, grind
down the image of the United States abroad and damage Washington's
efforts to maintain allies and supporters in the Arabic-speaking
world. With near-daily doses of extreme and careless quotations
from the anti-Bush camp, Arab audiences are led to believe the
worst about U.S. intentions and policies in the war on terrorism.
Rather than helping the war effort with positive alternatives to
counterterrorist policies they consider flawed, Kerry and other
politicians are fanning the flames of hostility in the Islamic
world.
[...]
"The Kerry campaign, meanwhile, is reported to have e-mailed mes-
sages to foreign media outlets, pledging to "repair the damage"
that President Bush allegedly has inflicted on the world. The
Tehran Times, an English-language newspaper in the Iranian capi-
tal, reported Feb. 8 that unnamed Kerry staffers sent an e-mail
to the Tehran-based Mehr News Agency apologizing for the conduct
of the United States in the war on terrorism and saying Kerry is
the man to make things new again. ?Disappointment with current
U.S. leadership is widespread, extending not just to the corri-
dors of power and politics but to the man and woman on the street
as well,' the message said. ?We also remain convinced that John
Kerry has the best chance of beating the incumbent in November
and putting America on a new course that will lead to a safer,
more secure and more stable world.'
[...]
"Former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) observed in a recent Washing-
ton Post commentary: ?Instead of trying to chart a path of pro-
gress, many of the president's critics have devoted themselves
to fomenting public despair over a war, which they keep repeating,
should never have been fought. At the same time critics of the
Bush administration insist it should have done more to combat
al-Qaeda in Afghanistan before Sept 11.' Thompson added, ?They
miss the more profound lesson that national tragedy should have
instilled: that the only deterrent to terrorism is strength and
that weakness - real and perceived - is an incitement to further
attacks.'
[...]
"As in Vietnam, the Kerry camp seems not to care. The very day
bin Laden's tape was broadcast, Kerry stood in East Rutherford,
N.J., accusing the president of manipulating the war for personal
political gain. ?Everything he did in Iraq, he's going to try to
persuade people it has to do with terror even though everybody
here knows that it has nothing whatsoever to do with al-Qaeda and
everything to do with an agenda that they had preset, determined,'
Kerry said.
[...]
"That component of strategy is nothing new. The North Vietnamese
regime relied heavily on American antiwar protesters to undermine
the national will and defeat the U.S. military through political
means, in ways that Hanoi could not win on the battlefield....
[...]
"Part of al-Qaeda's ?counterpropaganda strategy,' according to the
Army report, is to ?turn people's eyes toward their leaders to put
enemy [U.S. and coalition partners] on defensive, and take the
initiative to affect public opinion.
"...George Washington devoted much of his Farewell Address to the
need to defend the country against foreign subversion designed
to corrupt the national identity. He recognized the difficult
situation that ?real patriots'
Real patriots, I guess, are those who blindly follow their leaders
without questioning them? Or simply quash any type of political
debate?
who resist foreign intrigues ?are
liable to become suspected and odious,' while those espousing
?pretended patriotism' - what he called ?tools and dupes' of
foreign interests - ?usurp[ed] the applause and confidence of
the people to surrender their interests.'"
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Papa Jack comments:
Today, we saw Sen. Frank Lautenberg call Vice President Cheney a
"chicken hawk" because he didn't join the military during the Viet
Nam war. I couldn't help but wonder what this poor excuse for a
senator thought of Clinton's draft dodging record.
I keep seeing a mental picture of Osama bin Laden sitting in his
cave near a fire -- with several associates. As they take turns
reading the latest news from the American Democrat Party "tools
and dupes," they laugh loud and long.
"Amazing! Just like in Viet Nam. I told you they were weak,"
laughs Osama, with an evil grin on his face.
By any chance do you live in Montana? In a shack? With a typewriter?
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29 Apr 2004 02:25:18 PM |
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(Papa Jack) wrote...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
Where in that article did Mr. Waller quote a terrorist "cheering"
Kerry's rhetoric? Answer: nowhere. Conclusion: Mr. Waller made up
his poorly reasoned, slimy smear screed out of whole cloth.
Like I said earlier, that sort of crap plays well with the wingnuts,
but it won't make much of an impression on any rational person.
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29 Apr 2004 11:17:14 PM |
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(Spartakus) wrote in
news:6ed74dfa.0404291125.66eeda9d@posting.google.com:
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote...
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
Where in that article did Mr. Waller quote a terrorist "cheering"
Kerry's rhetoric? Answer: nowhere. Conclusion: Mr. Waller made up
his poorly reasoned, slimy smear screed out of whole cloth.
Like I said earlier, that sort of crap plays well with the wingnuts,
but it won't make much of an impression on any rational person.
which is why pj posted it hear, just to appeal to the crazies.
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| User: "Greg Bernath" |
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30 Apr 2004 08:57:25 PM |
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(Papa Jack) wrote:
Today, we saw Sen. Frank Lautenberg call Vice President Cheney a
"chicken hawk" because he didn't join the military during the Viet
Nam war. I couldn't help but wonder what this poor excuse for a
senator thought of Clinton's draft dodging record.
As Clinton
A. Wasn't a hawk, and
B. Made himself elgible for the draft,
he can't be called chickenhawk or draft dodger.
And Cheney is still a chickenhawk, and is a large portion of the
Republican party.
I keep seeing a mental picture of Osama bin Laden sitting in his
cave near a fire -- with several associates. As they take turns
reading the latest news from the American Democrat Party "tools
and dupes," they laugh loud and long.
While back in the real world, Al Qaeda has endorsed George Bush.
"The statement said it supported President Bush in his re-election
campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the
Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a
leader 'more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force
rather than with wisdom.'"
"In comments addressed to Bush, the group said:"
"'Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the
Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to
the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization.'"
"'Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected.'"
"Amazing! Just like in Viet Nam. I told you they were weak,"
laughs Osama, with an evil grin on his face.
Terrorists love Bush and hate Kerry. Therefore, anyone who supports
for Bush is playing 'useful idiot' for the terrorists.
Papa Jack, why are you helping the terrorists win?
Greg Bernath
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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28 Apr 2004 07:00:50 PM |
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On 28 Apr 2004 15:34:44 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/Politics/Terrorists.Cheer.Kerrys.Rhetoric-670185.shtml
____________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[Excerpts deleted]
Papa Jack comments:
Today, we saw Sen. Frank Lautenberg call Vice President Cheney a
"chicken hawk" because he didn't join the military during the Viet
Nam war. I couldn't help but wonder what this poor excuse for a
senator thought of Clinton's draft dodging record.
I keep seeing a mental picture of Osama bin Laden sitting in his
cave near a fire -- with several associates. As they take turns
reading the latest news from the American Democrat Party "tools
and dupes," they laugh loud and long.
"Amazing! Just like in Viet Nam. I told you they were weak,"
laughs Osama, with an evil grin on his face.
At least he hasn't called Democrats "terrorists." Yet
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
We are the CroMagnon of the future
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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29 Apr 2004 09:34:51 AM |
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Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<p7h090dhdrh7k2orl2tlv55tr44cg7g1dq@4ax.com>...
papajack@stic.net (Papa Jack) wrote:
============================================================================
On April 28, 2004, Insight Magazine posted an article by
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/Politics/Terrorists.Cheer.Kerrys.Rhetoric-670185.shtml
____________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[Excerpts deleted]
Papa Jack comments:
Today, we saw Sen. Frank Lautenberg call Vice President Cheney a
"chicken hawk" because he didn't join the military during the Viet
Nam war. I couldn't help but wonder what this poor excuse for a
senator thought of Clinton's draft dodging record.
I keep seeing a mental picture of Osama bin Laden sitting in his
cave near a fire -- with several associates. As they take turns
reading the latest news from the American Democrat Party "tools
and dupes," they laugh loud and long.
"Amazing! Just like in Viet Nam. I told you they were weak,"
laughs Osama, with an evil grin on his face.
============================================================================
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
At least he hasn't called Democrats "terrorists." Yet
============================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric |
30 Apr 2004 12:32:31 AM |
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In article <6f9e1b49.0404290634.1058d0e1@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
Papa Jack replied:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? "Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching about how the pro-choice use
"euphemisms."
You have GOT to be the biggest HYPOCRITE I have ever encountered. That
God you are a pro-life hypocrite!
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric |
01 May 2004 05:27:41 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message > news:<290420042232311261%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...
In article <6f9e1b49.0404290634.1058d0e1@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? "Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching about
how the pro-choice use "euphemisms."
You have GOT to be the biggest HYPOCRITE I have
ever encountered. That God you are a pro-life
hypocrite!
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
"Dim Dems?" "Tools and Dupes?" "Useful idiots?"
None of those are euphemisms, David. You might
consider them dysphemisms, but I prefer to consider
them to be brilliant descriptions of the sort of
radical liberals who always seem to find fault with
their own country when crisises arise.
However, as noted above, George Washington gets
credit for "Tools and Dupes." I think Lenin came
up with "Useful Idiots" (title of Mona Charon's
latest book). But, I'll take credit for "Dim Dems." 8^)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric |
01 May 2004 05:34:02 PM |
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In article <6f9e1b49.0405011427.1755b2ae@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message >
news:<290420042232311261%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...
In article <6f9e1b49.0404290634.1058d0e1@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? "Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching about
how the pro-choice use "euphemisms."
You have GOT to be the biggest HYPOCRITE I have
ever encountered. That God you are a pro-life
hypocrite!
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
"Dim Dems?" "Tools and Dupes?" "Useful idiots?"
None of those are euphemisms, David.
Where did I say they were? That isn't the point.
You might
consider them dysphemisms, but I prefer to consider
them to be brilliant descriptions of the sort of
radical liberals who always seem to find fault with
their own country when crisises arise.
What fault is that?
However, as noted above, George Washington gets
credit for "Tools and Dupes." I think Lenin came
up with "Useful Idiots" (title of Mona Charon's
latest book). But, I'll take credit for "Dim Dems." 8^)
So? How does that make it acceptable?
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric |
02 May 2004 10:24:19 PM |
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"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:<010520041534024897%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message >
news:<290420042232311261%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...
In article <6f9e1b49.0404290634.1058d0e1@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? "Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching about
how the pro-choice use "euphemisms."
You have GOT to be the biggest HYPOCRITE I have
ever encountered. That God you are a pro-life
hypocrite!
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
"Dim Dems?" "Tools and Dupes?" "Useful idiots?"
None of those are euphemisms, David.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Where did I say they were? That isn't the point.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
It sure seems like the point when you write:
"Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching
about how the pro-choice use 'euphemisms.'"
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
...You might consider them dysphemisms, but I prefer
to consider them to be brilliant descriptions of the
sort of radical liberals who always seem to find fault
with their own country when crisises arise.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
What fault is that?
========================================================================
Papa Jack remarked:
You probably think it's your country's fault --
isn't everything?
Who was it who said:
"Ask not what your country can do for you,
but ask what you can do for your country."
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
However, as noted above, George Washington gets
credit for "Tools and Dupes." I think Lenin came
up with "Useful Idiots" (title of Mona Charon's
latest book). But, I'll take credit for "Dim Dems." 8^)
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
So? How does that make it acceptable?
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Well, yes it does. Can you tell me any valid reson
why liberals shouldn't be called "Tools and Dupes,"
"Useful Idiots," or "Dim Dems?"
But, if you still don't like it, you are welcome to
compalin to Washington and Lenin. Maybe they'll pay
more attention to your gripe than I will. 8^)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric |
02 May 2004 10:38:00 PM |
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In article <6f9e1b49.0405021924.42965b2c@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:<010520041534024897%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message >
news:<290420042232311261%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...
In article <6f9e1b49.0404290634.1058d0e1@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? "Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching about
how the pro-choice use "euphemisms."
You have GOT to be the biggest HYPOCRITE I have
ever encountered. That God you are a pro-life
hypocrite!
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
"Dim Dems?" "Tools and Dupes?" "Useful idiots?"
None of those are euphemisms, David.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Where did I say they were? That isn't the point.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
It sure seems like the point when you write:
"Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching
about how the pro-choice use 'euphemisms.'"
Then you missed it. What a shock! The point was a euphemism is the
substitution of one expression for another expression for rhetorical
reasons. You do the same, except far more often and to a larger
degree, all of the time. It is called "hypocrisy."
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
...You might consider them dysphemisms, but I prefer
to consider them to be brilliant descriptions of the
sort of radical liberals who always seem to find fault
with their own country when crisises arise.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
What fault is that?
========================================================================
Papa Jack remarked:
You probably think it's your country's fault --
isn't everything?
Not at all. I think it is my fault. Just as it is all Americans fault
when we allow our leaders to become reckless and get out of control.
We need to take responsibility for these mistakes, admit we should have
put our foot down in 2000, and right or wrongs.
Who was it who said:
"Ask not what your country can do for you,
but ask what you can do for your country."
A Democrat, of course, JFK. Isn't it strange how the majority of the
memorable quotes come from liberals?
Of course, conservatives like Limbaugh hate to admit that. See:
http://mccarthy.vg/articles/04/01/21/1911231.shtml
Limbaugh gets caught in more lies.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
However, as noted above, George Washington gets
credit for "Tools and Dupes." I think Lenin came
up with "Useful Idiots" (title of Mona Charon's
latest book). But, I'll take credit for "Dim Dems." 8^)
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
So? How does that make it acceptable?
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Well, yes it does. Can you tell me any valid reson
why liberals shouldn't be called "Tools and Dupes,"
"Useful Idiots," or "Dim Dems?"
Because they aren't? Now to get back to the issue, how does your
distortion of what others said make any difference?
But, if you still don't like it, you are welcome to
compalin to Washington and Lenin. Maybe they'll pay
more attention to your gripe than I will.
That's OK. They didn't say it the way you hope to present it. Which
we have all come to expect from you.
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| User: "Papa Jack" |
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03 May 2004 01:25:34 PM |
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"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:<020520042038008953%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...In
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:
In article <6f9e1b49.0404290634.1058d0e1@posting.google.com>,
Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? "Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching about
how the pro-choice use "euphemisms."
You have GOT to be the biggest HYPOCRITE I have
ever encountered. That God you are a pro-life
hypocrite!
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
"Dim Dems?" "Tools and Dupes?" "Useful idiots?"
None of those are euphemisms, David.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Where did I say they were? That isn't the point.
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
It sure seems like the point when you write:
"Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching
about how the pro-choice use 'euphemisms.'"
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Then you missed it. What a shock!...
========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
I missed it???? Your point was about as clear as tomato juice.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
...The point was a [sic] euphemism is the substitution of one
expression for another expression for rhetorical reasons. ...
========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Nope. According to Merriam Webster an euphemism is:
http://www.merriamwebster.com/
"the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive
expression for one that may offend or suggest
something unpleasant"
Notice, the definition specifies "AGREEABLE" or
"INOFFNESIVE" expressions in lieu of something
unpleasant. You know, like substituting "choice"
for "abortion."
I don't see anything at all in the definition about your
"rhetorical reasons. "
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
...You do the same, except far more often and to a larger
degree, all of the time. It is called "hypocrisy."
========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Hmmm. Let's go back to Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy 
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what
one does not; especially : the false assumption of
an appearance of virtue or religion
If I call you a "Useful Idiot" or a "Dim Dem," do you
consider THAT hypocrisy? Why? If I really do believe
you are a "Useful Idiot" or a "Dim Dem," then how
is that hypocrisy?
If I call abortion clinics "chop shops," is that hypocrisy?
Why?
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
...You might consider them dysphemisms, but I prefer
to consider them to be brilliant descriptions of the
sort of radical liberals who always seem to find fault
with their own country when crises arise.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
What fault is that?
========================================================================
Papa Jack remarked:
You probably think it's your country's fault -- isn't
everything?
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Not at all. I think it is my fault. Just as it is all
Americans fault when we allow our leaders to become reck-
less and get out of control....
========================================================================
Papa Jack asked:
What are you saying, David? It seems POSSIBLE you're
trying to flame President Bush again, but you're certainly
not being very clear.
First, you don't explain how the President became "reckless
and got out of control."
Second, you don't explain why ALL AMERICANS are at
fault for whatever it was you considered "reckless and out
of control."
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
...We need to take responsibility for these mistakes, admit we
should have put our foot down in 2000, and right or [sic] wrongs.
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
What should we have done in 2000? Why?
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Who was it who said:
"Ask not what your country can do for you,
but ask what you can do for your country."
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
A Democrat, of course, JFK. Isn't it strange how the majority of
the memorable quotes come from liberals?
========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Hardly. But, that's not the point. JFK certainly wasn't the type to
constantly blame America for all the world's problem. Instead, he
believed we were the solution -- by encouraging democracy and
capitalism in others.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Of course, conservatives like Limbaugh hate to admit that. See:
http://mccarthy.vg/articles/04/01/21/1911231.shtml
Limbaugh gets caught in more lies.
========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
Now you sound like Ray. I happened to hear the incident on
Rush Limbaugh's show which you refer to. Rush made the
same mistake I would have made. I remembered the part
where JFK stated:
"Ask not what your country can do for you,
but ask what you can do for your country."
But, I didn't remember JFK followed that with:
"My fellow citizens of the world:
ask not what America will do for you,
but what together we can do for the
freedom of man."
Rush's staff told him he was wrong right after he said it,
and he promptly admitted his mistake on the air.
Now, that's what you and Ray call a "LIE."
There is a big difference between a mistake or a difference
of opinion and "LIE."
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
However, as noted above, George Washington gets
credit for "Tools and Dupes." I think Lenin came
up with "Useful Idiots" (title of Mona Charon's
latest book). But, I'll take credit for "Dim Dems." 8^)
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David Barnes wrote:
So? How does that make it acceptable?
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Papa Jack replied:
Well, yes it does. Can you tell me any valid reason
why liberals shouldn't be called "Tools and Dupes,"
"Useful Idiots," or "Dim Dems?"
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David Barnes wrote:
Because they aren't?...
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Papa Jack commented:
But, there are whole shelves full of books at the library
saying you're wrong, David.
For example, read Richard Smith's "Patriarch," Mona Charen‘s
"Useful Idiots," Edward Lazarus "Closed Chambers," Ann
Coulter's "Treason" and "Slander," Sean Hannity‘s "Deliver
Us from Evil," Robert Bork's "Slouching Towards Gomorrah,"
or Bernard Goldberg's "Bias." There are many others who docu-
ment the liberals passion for blaming America for all sorts of
evils, but these are a good start.
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David Barnes wrote:
...Now to get back to the issue, how does your distortion
of what others said make any difference?
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Papa Jack commented:
What distortion? Since when is THAT the issue? Look
at the subject line: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
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Papa Jack wrote:
But, if you still don't like it, you are welcome to complain
to Washington and Lenin. Maybe they'll pay more attention
to your gripe than I will.
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David Barnes wrote:
That's OK. They didn't say it the way you hope to present it....
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Papa Jack laughed:
You just made a bald assertion without any attempt to provide
either proof or logic. You are claiming:
* George Washington didn't warn of "tools and dupes" in his
Farewell Address.
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer
Kerry's Rhetoric."
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/Politics/Terrorists.Cheer.Kerrys.Rhetoric-670185.shtml
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* Lenin didn't call Western liberals "useful idiots."
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David Barnes wrote:
...Which we have all come to expect from you.
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Papa Jack commented:
What's that? That I substantiate my facts and give logical
explanations for my personal opinions? 8^)
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric |
04 May 2004 02:09:51 AM |
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In article <6f9e1b49.0405031025.275425be@posting.google.com>, Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:<020520042038008953%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...In
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:
Papa Jack <papajack@stic.net> wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:
In article <6f9e1b49.0404290634.1058d0e1@posting.google.com>,
Papa Jack
<papajack@stic.net> wrote:
[snip]
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Papa Jack wrote:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
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David Barnes wrote:
Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? "Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching about
how the pro-choice use "euphemisms."
You have GOT to be the biggest HYPOCRITE I have
ever encountered. That God you are a pro-life
hypocrite!
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Papa Jack wrote:
"Dim Dems?" "Tools and Dupes?" "Useful idiots?"
None of those are euphemisms, David.
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David Barnes wrote:
Where did I say they were? That isn't the point.
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Papa Jack wrote:
It sure seems like the point when you write:
"Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching
about how the pro-choice use 'euphemisms.'"
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David Barnes wrote:
Then you missed it. What a shock!...
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Papa Jack commented:
I missed it???? Your point was about as clear as tomato juice.
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David Barnes wrote:
...The point was a [sic] euphemism is the substitution of one
expression for another expression for rhetorical reasons. ...
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Papa Jack commented:
Nope. According to Merriam Webster an euphemism is:
http://www.merriamwebster.com/
"the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive
expression for one that may offend or suggest
something unpleasant"
Notice, the definition specifies "AGREEABLE" or
"INOFFNESIVE" expressions in lieu of something
unpleasant. You know, like substituting "choice"
for "abortion."
I don't see anything at all in the definition about your
"rhetorical reasons. "
I know the definition, as you well know from past discussions, and mine
was correct, if more general. The point was you use these words in the
same manner.
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David Barnes wrote:
...You do the same, except far more often and to a larger
degree, all of the time. It is called "hypocrisy."
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Papa Jack commented:
Hmmm. Let's go back to Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: hy·poc·ri·sy 
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what
one does not; especially : the false assumption of
an appearance of virtue or religion
If I call you a "Useful Idiot" or a "Dim Dem," do you
consider THAT hypocrisy? Why? If I really do believe
you are a "Useful Idiot" or a "Dim Dem," then how
is that hypocrisy?
If I call abortion clinics "chop shops," is that hypocrisy?
Why?
The hypocrisy comes from criticizing others for using euphemisms when
you use dysphemisms.
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Papa Jack wrote:
...You might consider them dysphemisms, but I prefer
to consider them to be brilliant descriptions of the
sort of radical liberals who always seem to find fault
with their own country when crises arise.
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David Barnes wrote:
What fault is that?
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Papa Jack remarked:
You probably think it's your country's fault -- isn't
everything?
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David Barnes wrote:
Not at all. I think it is my fault. Just as it is all
Americans fault when we allow our leaders to become reck-
less and get out of control....
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Papa Jack asked:
What are you saying, David? It seems POSSIBLE you're
trying to flame President Bush again, but you're certainly
not being very clear.
Yes - I blame Bush.
First, you don't explain how the President became "reckless
and got out of control."
He is getting Americans killed for reasons that are not what he
represents. He is allowing others to run this country when it is his
responsibility.
Second, you don't explain why ALL AMERICANS are at
fault for whatever it was you considered "reckless and out
of control."
We live in a democracy. When an American president becomes reckless,
out of control, and in violation of the Constitution, it is the duty of
every American to stand up and demand his impeachment.
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David Barnes wrote:
...We need to take responsibility for these mistakes, admit we
should have put our foot down in 2000, and right or [sic] wrongs.
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Papa Jack replied:
What should we have done in 2000? Why?
We should have demanded the will of the people be represented.
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Papa Jack wrote:
Who was it who said:
"Ask not what your country can do for you,
but ask what you can do for your country."
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David Barnes wrote:
A Democrat, of course, JFK. Isn't it strange how the majority of
the memorable quotes come from liberals?
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Papa Jack commented:
Hardly. But, that's not the point. JFK certainly wasn't the type to
constantly blame America for all the world's problem. Instead, he
believed we were the solution -- by encouraging democracy and
capitalism in others.
Don't you agree that it is Kerry, and not Bush, who personifies the
ideals JFK spoke of?
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David Barnes wrote:
Of course, conservatives like Limbaugh hate to admit that. See:
http://mccarthy.vg/articles/04/01/21/1911231.shtml
Limbaugh gets caught in more lies.
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Papa Jack commented:
Now you sound like Ray.
Thank you.
I happened to hear the incident on
Rush Limbaugh's show which you refer to. Rush made the
same mistake I would have made. I remembered the part
where JFK stated:
"Ask not what your country can do for you,
but ask what you can do for your country."
But, I didn't remember JFK followed that with:
"My fellow citizens of the world:
ask not what America will do for you,
but what together we can do for the
freedom of man."
Rush's staff told him he was wrong right after he said it,
and he promptly admitted his mistake on the air.
Now, that's what you and Ray call a "LIE."
There is a big difference between a mistake or a difference
of opinion and "LIE."
So why did he admit his mistake when called on it? Difference of
opinion does not equal mistake.
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Papa Jack replied:
However, as noted above, George Washington gets
credit for "Tools and Dupes." I think Lenin came
up with "Useful Idiots" (title of Mona Charon's
latest book). But, I'll take credit for "Dim Dems." 8^)
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
So? How does that make it acceptable?
========================================================================
Papa Jack replied:
Well, yes it does. Can you tell me any valid reason
why liberals shouldn't be called "Tools and Dupes,"
"Useful Idiots," or "Dim Dems?"
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Because they aren't?...
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Papa Jack commented:
But, there are whole shelves full of books at the library
saying you're wrong, David.
Hardly, but even if it were true it means nothing. Do we now judge
wisdom and truth by the pound?
For example, read Richard Smith's "Patriarch," Mona Charen‘s
"Useful Idiots," Edward Lazarus "Closed Chambers," Ann
Coulter's "Treason" and "Slander," Sean Hannity‘s "Deliver
Us from Evil," Robert Bork's "Slouching Towards Gomorrah,"
or Bernard Goldberg's "Bias." There are many others who docu-
ment the liberals passion for blaming America for all sorts of
evils, but these are a good start.
And it is WELL KNOWN and more importantly, WELL DOCUMENTED that these
writers are lying Republican hacks. What next? Mein Kampf?
Coulter's, Hannity's, and Goldberg's books alone contain literally
hundreds, perhaps thousands, of out and out lies.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
...Now to get back to the issue, how does your distortion
of what others said make any difference?
========================================================================
Papa Jack commented:
What distortion? Since when is THAT the issue? Look
at the subject line: "Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric."
What about it? Will we see "Kerry fathered an alien baby" next?
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
But, if you still don't like it, you are welcome to complain
to Washington and Lenin. Maybe they'll pay more attention
to your gripe than I will.
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
That's OK. They didn't say it the way you hope to present it....
========================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
You just made a bald assertion without any attempt to provide
either proof or logic. You are claiming:
* George Washington didn't warn of "tools and dupes" in his
Farewell Address.
J. Michael Waller titled: "Terrorists Cheer
Kerry's Rhetoric."
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/Politics/Terrorists.Cheer.Kerrys.Rhetoric-670185.shtml
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
* Lenin didn't call Western liberals "useful idiots."
You didn't read what I said.
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David Barnes wrote:
...Which we have all come to expect from you.
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Papa Jack commented:
What's that? That I substantiate my facts and give logical
explanations for my personal opinions? 8^)
Hate, distortion, and lies, you mean.
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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| Title: Re: Terrorists Cheer Kerry's Rhetoric |
03 May 2004 07:04:03 PM |
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On 3 May 2004 11:25:34 -0700, (Papa Jack) wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:<020520042038008953%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...In
Papa Jack < > wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:
Papa Jack < > wrote:
"David Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:
In article <6f9e1b49.0404290634.1058d0e1@posting.google.com>,
Papa Jack
< > wrote:
[snip]
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
Not yet. But, some of the Dim Dems are clearly the sort of
"tools and dupes" George Washington warned of in his Farewell
Address. I think Lenin called them "useful idiots."
========================================================================
David Barnes wrote:
Dim Dems? Tools and Dupes? "Useful idiots?
You are the same ***** who was bitching about
how the pro-choice use "euphemisms."
You have GOT to be the biggest HYPOCRITE I have
ever encountered. That God you are a pro-life
hypocrite!
========================================================================
Papa Jack wrote:
"Dim Dems?" "Tools and Dupes?&q | | | | | | | | | |
