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"Buford T. Justice" |
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21 Mar 2005 03:41:13 AM |
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Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
Listen to her...
http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
OR
http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
Then ask yourself, "Would I want to live like this?"
Anyone who thinks they would want to survive like that should be put to
death prior to getting to Terry Schiavo's condition. These yuppies that
thinks she needs to live are completely without sense. They subtract from
the sum of human intelligence.
I feel sorry she is being starved to death. Give her an injection that will
quickly, quietly, & painlessly end her suffering.
I cannot imagine what her parents are going through, but, it is her husband
that has the right to decide her fate.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
21 Mar 2005 09:58:53 PM |
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I realize it's a difficult issue in general. It doesn't bother me a
whole lot that
someone wants to keep her alive, particularly if she is not in pain.
Some people have been in comas for a long time and recovered, doctors
and so on have also been wrong in many cases. It's impossible to say.
The issue that her husband is guardian; Yes, that's a technical legal
issue. There's no guarantee that a legal guardian will look after your
best interests. There actually may be no cut and dried solution that
would be the right thing to do in every case. I think the democrats may
also be playing into the hand of the right to whatever extent this
could be used as a political issue if they try to say they should let
her die. For me, the war, economy, and other things that the right is
doing concerns me a great deal more than gay marriage, removing god
from school prayer (I dissagree with that one), this woman, or abortion
rights, particularly the first three.
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| User: "Harvey" |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
22 Mar 2005 07:05:33 PM |
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<surfunbear@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1111463933.853492.126770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I realize it's a difficult issue in general. It doesn't bother me a
whole lot that
someone wants to keep her alive, particularly if she is not in pain.
Some people have been in comas for a long time and recovered, doctors
and so on have also been wrong in many cases. It's impossible to say.
The issue that her husband is guardian; Yes, that's a technical legal
issue. There's no guarantee that a legal guardian will look after your
best interests. There actually may be no cut and dried solution that
would be the right thing to do in every case. I think the democrats
may
also be playing into the hand of the right to whatever extent this
could be used as a political issue if they try to say they should let
her die. For me, the war, economy, and other things that the right is
doing concerns me a great deal more than gay marriage, removing god
from school prayer (I dissagree with that one), this woman, or
abortion
rights, particularly the first three.
Naw, you don't want to be doing that... putting time into issues like
peace and war, economic prosperity, crap like that. What a stupid
notion.
You can't prioritize worth a damn, sonny. You need to be out there,
fighting the good fight on the great issues of our time, like whether
"under God" is in the Pledge of Allegiance. Now quit being a moron, and
wasting your time on this other piddling *****.
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| User: "Pieter" |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
21 Mar 2005 04:47:20 AM |
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"Buford T. Justice" wrote:
Listen to her...
http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
OR
http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
Then ask yourself, "Would I want to live like this?"
Anyone who thinks they would want to survive like that should be put to
death prior to getting to Terry Schiavo's condition. These yuppies that
thinks she needs to live are completely without sense. They subtract from
the sum of human intelligence.
I feel sorry she is being starved to death. Give her an injection that will
quickly, quietly, & painlessly end her suffering.
I cannot imagine what her parents are going through, but, it is her husband
that has the right to decide her fate.
I agree.
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| User: "Sport Pilot" |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
21 Mar 2005 01:52:07 PM |
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Buford T. Justice wrote:
Listen to her...
http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
OR
http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
Then ask yourself, "Would I want to live like this?"
Anyone who thinks they would want to survive like that should be put
to
death prior to getting to Terry Schiavo's condition. These yuppies
that
thinks she needs to live are completely without sense. They subtract
from
the sum of human intelligence.
I feel sorry she is being starved to death. Give her an injection
that will
quickly, quietly, & painlessly end her suffering.
I cannot imagine what her parents are going through, but, it is her
husband
that has the right to decide her fate.
Then why not let her eat liquids? Did you know she can drink, yet they
won't let her. Did you know she has asked nurses to help her?
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
21 Mar 2005 02:40:57 PM |
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"Sport Pilot" <hppilot001@cs.com> wrote in
news:1111434727.690695.257540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Buford T. Justice wrote:
Listen to her...
http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123
E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
OR
http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14
F856.mp3
Then ask yourself, "Would I want to live like this?"
Anyone who thinks they would want to survive like that should be put
to death prior to getting to Terry Schiavo's condition. These yuppies
that thinks she needs to live are completely without sense. They
subtract from the sum of human intelligence.
I feel sorry she is being starved to death. Give her an injection
that will quickly, quietly, & painlessly end her suffering.
I cannot imagine what her parents are going through, but, it is her
husband that has the right to decide her fate.
Then why not let her eat liquids? Did you know she can drink, yet they
won't let her.
OK then let them put water and food on her bedstand. She can help herself
whenever she wants to drink or eat.
Did you know she has asked nurses to help her?
Where is your evidence of this outlandish statement.
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| User: "Julian D." |
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21 Mar 2005 06:05:16 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:40:57 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Sport Pilot" <hppilot001@cs.com> wrote in
news:1111434727.690695.257540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Buford T. Justice wrote:
Listen to her...
http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123
E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
OR
http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14
F856.mp3
Then ask yourself, "Would I want to live like this?"
Anyone who thinks they would want to survive like that should be put
to death prior to getting to Terry Schiavo's condition. These yuppies
that thinks she needs to live are completely without sense. They
subtract from the sum of human intelligence.
I feel sorry she is being starved to death. Give her an injection
that will quickly, quietly, & painlessly end her suffering.
I cannot imagine what her parents are going through, but, it is her
husband that has the right to decide her fate.
Then why not let her eat liquids? Did you know she can drink, yet they
won't let her.
OK then let them put water and food on her bedstand. She can help herself
whenever she wants to drink or eat.
Severly mental retarded people could not feed themselves either with
food and water within reach.
Did you know she has asked nurses to help her?
Where is your evidence of this outlandish statement.
JD
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| User: "BOB" |
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21 Mar 2005 07:23:15 PM |
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Julian D. <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in
news:39ou31hm1n504hd3l33h1rejua5mushtne@4ax.com:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:40:57 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Sport Pilot" <hppilot001@cs.com> wrote in
news:1111434727.690695.257540@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Buford T. Justice wrote:
Listen to her...
http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-1
23 E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
OR
http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC
14 F856.mp3
Then ask yourself, "Would I want to live like this?"
Anyone who thinks they would want to survive like that should be put
to death prior to getting to Terry Schiavo's condition. These
yuppies that thinks she needs to live are completely without sense.
They subtract from the sum of human intelligence.
I feel sorry she is being starved to death. Give her an injection
that will quickly, quietly, & painlessly end her suffering.
I cannot imagine what her parents are going through, but, it is her
husband that has the right to decide her fate.
Then why not let her eat liquids? Did you know she can drink, yet
they won't let her.
OK then let them put water and food on her bedstand. She can help
herself whenever she wants to drink or eat.
Severly mental retarded people could not feed themselves either with
food and water within reach.
But just above, you said "she can drink, yet they won't let her". Were
you lying or just full of bs?
Did you know she has asked nurses to help her?
Where is your evidence of this outlandish statement.
We notice that you provided no evidence for your statement. More bs?
JD
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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21 Mar 2005 02:17:26 PM |
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Sport Pilot wrote:
Buford T. Justice wrote:
Listen to her...
http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
OR
http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
Then ask yourself, "Would I want to live like this?"
Anyone who thinks they would want to survive like that should be put
to
death prior to getting to Terry Schiavo's condition. These yuppies
that
thinks she needs to live are completely without sense. They subtract
from
the sum of human intelligence.
I feel sorry she is being starved to death. Give her an injection
that will
quickly, quietly, & painlessly end her suffering.
I cannot imagine what her parents are going through, but, it is her
husband
that has the right to decide her fate.
Then why not let her eat liquids? Did you know she can drink, yet they
won't let her.
She can't swallow voluntarily.
Did you know she has asked nurses to help her?
Now THAT is a load of crap.
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| User: "Shadow Walker" |
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22 Mar 2005 10:59:21 AM |
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Sport Pilot wrote:
Buford T. Justice wrote:
Listen to her...
http://www.soulsurvivors.net/Public/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
OR
http://www.frc.org/DL/20-MAR-05__EF05C38_0003AAE3-2D4F-123E-84811014AC14F856.mp3
Then ask yourself, "Would I want to live like this?"
Anyone who thinks they would want to survive like that should be put
to
death prior to getting to Terry Schiavo's condition. These yuppies
that
thinks she needs to live are completely without sense. They subtract
from
the sum of human intelligence.
I feel sorry she is being starved to death. Give her an injection
that will
quickly, quietly, & painlessly end her suffering.
I cannot imagine what her parents are going through, but, it is her
husband
that has the right to decide her fate.
Then why not let her eat liquids? Did you know she can drink, yet they
won't let her. Did you know she has asked nurses to help her?
She has asked Nurses to Help Her ?
My God, the Reich will lie about ANYTHING,
to get their way!
The Party of Family Values, my _ASS_!
What Family, the Gambino Family ?
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| User: "OrangeSFO" |
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26 Mar 2005 02:37:28 AM |
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I can't believe Republicans are coming to the aid of a woman who lies
around on her back all day. Usually they look on them as if they are
societal parasites. This is a breakthrough!
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| User: "Miss Anne Thrope" |
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21 Mar 2005 08:35:25 AM |
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My Father "lived" like that for 14 months. After suffering a stroke in
the late eighties, I authorized that my Dad be put on a feeding tube,
because his throat muscles were incapable of swallowing food or liquids.
I didn't know anything about the legal ramifications of the feeding
tube, I only knew his doctor said it was necessary at the time. Within
a few weeks, it was painfully obvious that Dad wasn't going to recover
enough to ever go home again. The nurses eventually ended up tying his
hands to his bed rails, because he had pulled his own feeding tube out a
couple of times, out of frustration. Every day after work I would go
visit my Father, and every day he would beg me to suffocate him with his
pillow. Everyday I would tell him that I just couldn't do that, because
I loved him too much, and that I was fairly sure I would be charged with
murder. He would then spend the rest of our visit crying. This
horrible scenario played itself out daily. Mercifully, he passed away
from pneumonia, 14 months later. It could have gone on for decades,
thanks to that tube. Now, when I look back at it, I should have honored
his wishes. He was my Dad, and I let him down when he needed me the
most.
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| User: "Retard N. Whitehouse" |
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21 Mar 2005 03:27:47 PM |
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She is already dead. Has been for 15 years. It just proves the point that
Repugs are mindless drones.
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| User: "" |
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21 Mar 2005 05:27:23 AM |
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This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think of
a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent life
forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say, in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
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| User: "Fred Fazemeier" |
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22 Mar 2005 03:27:08 AM |
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<eric@elcmedia.com> wrote in message
news:1111404443.481505.107260@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think of
a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent life
forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say, in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Agreed. The good thing about their attempts to legislate morality is their
inability to prosecute you if you are successful in your suicide attempt.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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21 Mar 2005 12:01:52 PM |
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On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think of
a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent life
forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say, in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Harvey" |
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21 Mar 2005 05:10:27 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think
of
a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent life
forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in
DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say, in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Damn, usually you make some sense. You don't here. I don't see how a
conservative can look at this situation and not think Congress is off
it's nut. It's tossing hundreds of years of precedent re: spousal vs.
parental say in family issues; it's leaping into a courtlike process of
case review, a place where it has very limited (if any) business at all;
it goes counter to the notion of local control... from a conservative
stance this is toxic as hell.
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "BOB" |
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21 Mar 2005 05:25:11 PM |
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"Harvey" <researchermd@netscape.net> wrote in news:Qa-dnUyJ8PL-yaLfRVn-
vg@comcast.com:
"Captain Compassion" < > wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think
of a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent
life forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in
DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say, in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Damn, usually you make some sense. You don't here. I don't see how a
conservative can look at this situation and not think Congress is off
it's nut. It's tossing hundreds of years of precedent re: spousal vs.
parental say in family issues; it's leaping into a courtlike process of
case review, a place where it has very limited (if any) business at all;
it goes counter to the notion of local control... from a conservative
stance this is toxic as hell.
It's all about serving their religious kook masters.
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind
of trick to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." --
Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
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| User: "Julian D." |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
21 Mar 2005 06:04:42 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:25:11 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Harvey" <researchermd@netscape.net> wrote in news:Qa-dnUyJ8PL-yaLfRVn-
vg@comcast.com:
"Captain Compassion" < > wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think
of a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent
life forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in
DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say, in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Damn, usually you make some sense. You don't here. I don't see how a
conservative can look at this situation and not think Congress is off
it's nut. It's tossing hundreds of years of precedent re: spousal vs.
parental say in family issues; it's leaping into a courtlike process of
case review, a place where it has very limited (if any) business at all;
it goes counter to the notion of local control... from a conservative
stance this is toxic as hell.
It's all about serving their religious kook masters.
America is a religous God-fearing nation. The Democrats lost the
election because they pandered to God hating kook fringe. That
offended all decent Real Americans.
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind
of trick to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." --
Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
JD
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| User: "BOB" |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
21 Mar 2005 07:20:34 PM |
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Julian D. <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in
news:m6ou311rook2adbtcm2t51tuosjj1s221l@4ax.com:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:25:11 GMT, BOB <sd@sd.net> wrote:
"Harvey" <researchermd@netscape.net> wrote in news:Qa-dnUyJ8PL-yaLfRVn-
vg@comcast.com:
"Captain Compassion" < > wrote in message
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On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think
of a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent
life forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we
encourage suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot
conservatives in DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they
wouldn't be supporting government control of our families and lives
based on their own views of morality. I've actually heard these
people say, in response to science, "But that's not what the Bible
says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the
power under civil law to decide life and death issues without the
input of *all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death
without Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Damn, usually you make some sense. You don't here. I don't see how a
conservative can look at this situation and not think Congress is off
it's nut. It's tossing hundreds of years of precedent re: spousal vs.
parental say in family issues; it's leaping into a courtlike process
of case review, a place where it has very limited (if any) business
at all; it goes counter to the notion of local control... from a
conservative stance this is toxic as hell.
It's all about serving their religious kook masters.
America is a religous God-fearing nation.
Why do you feel you have to fear your mythical god? Are you sane?
The Democrats lost the
election because they pandered to God hating kook fringe.
The Democrats lost the election becaus 50 % of the American people bought
into the lies from the opposition.
That
offended all decent Real Americans.
Obviously, that leaves you out.
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- "America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind
of trick to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." --
Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
JD
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21 Mar 2005 08:39:26 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:10:27 -0500, "Harvey"
<researchermd@netscape.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think
of
a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent life
forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in
DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say, in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Damn, usually you make some sense. You don't here. I don't see how a
conservative can look at this situation and not think Congress is off
it's nut. It's tossing hundreds of years of precedent re: spousal vs.
parental say in family issues; it's leaping into a courtlike process of
case review, a place where it has very limited (if any) business at all;
it goes counter to the notion of local control... from a conservative
stance this is toxic as hell.
One some things the Captain ain't all that conservative. The state
should not have the right to enforce euthanasia on non compos mentis
patients on mere hearsay evidence.
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Harvey" |
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22 Mar 2005 05:13:15 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:10:27 -0500, "Harvey"
<researchermd@netscape.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think
of
a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent
life
forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we
encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in
DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they
wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say,
in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the
power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Damn, usually you make some sense. You don't here. I don't see how a
conservative can look at this situation and not think Congress is off
it's nut. It's tossing hundreds of years of precedent re: spousal vs.
parental say in family issues; it's leaping into a courtlike process
of
case review, a place where it has very limited (if any) business at
all;
it goes counter to the notion of local control... from a conservative
stance this is toxic as hell.
One some things the Captain ain't all that conservative. The state
should not have the right to enforce euthanasia on non compos mentis
patients on mere hearsay evidence.
I understand the moral position. And if an organized process was
underway to "rid society of mindless eaters" or something I'd be
concerned. But if you allow *this* congress to behave this way, then
there's nothing to stop some other, very different, future congress from
capriciously stuffing some stupid lefty moral position into every corner
of the social fabric, up to and including what you feed your children,
how respectful your tone of voice is in addressing your dog, etc.
I don't think you want that.
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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22 Mar 2005 09:37:57 PM |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:13:15 -0500, "Harvey"
<researchermd@netscape.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:lv0v315njlhf8lbrl3knskf5ofn7insaad@4ax.com...
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:10:27 -0500, "Harvey"
<researchermd@netscape.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't think
of
a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent
life
forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we
encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives in
DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they
wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people say,
in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the
power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Damn, usually you make some sense. You don't here. I don't see how a
conservative can look at this situation and not think Congress is off
it's nut. It's tossing hundreds of years of precedent re: spousal vs.
parental say in family issues; it's leaping into a courtlike process
of
case review, a place where it has very limited (if any) business at
all;
it goes counter to the notion of local control... from a conservative
stance this is toxic as hell.
One some things the Captain ain't all that conservative. The state
should not have the right to enforce euthanasia on non compos mentis
patients on mere hearsay evidence.
I understand the moral position. And if an organized process was
underway to "rid society of mindless eaters" or something I'd be
concerned. But if you allow *this* congress to behave this way, then
there's nothing to stop some other, very different, future congress from
capriciously stuffing some stupid lefty moral position into every corner
of the social fabric, up to and including what you feed your children,
how respectful your tone of voice is in addressing your dog, etc.
I don't think you want that.
Even mass murderers get a final appeal from state to federal court.
Some even go to the US supreme court. All that was demanded by
congress in this one case was this same right be afforded this poor
lady. Seems that federal court will allow the tubes to be pulled. In
the end she will be just as dead as them. Only it will be slower.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Harvey" |
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23 Mar 2005 05:58:52 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:13:15 -0500, "Harvey"
<researchermd@netscape.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:10:27 -0500, "Harvey"
<researchermd@netscape.net> wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
This should raise another issue, and that is suicide. I can't
think
of
a sane reason why suicide should be illegal. We, as intelligent
life
forms, should be able to end our own lives in peace and without
suffering if we, as individuals, choose to. I don't need
government
approval and neither does anybody else. Instead, though, we
encourage
suffering. When I get to choose between some idiot conservatives
in
DC
and God....guess which I'll pick?
There are really no Republicans left, actually. What was once
the
Republican Party is now the Evangelist Party, otherwise they
wouldn't
be supporting government control of our families and lives based
on
their own views of morality. I've actually heard these people
say,
in
response to science, "But that's not what the Bible says..."
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about
the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the
power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input
of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death
without
Terri's consent.
Even the most evil mass murderer is allowed to face his accusers
in
court. This is a Fifth Amendment issue.
Damn, usually you make some sense. You don't here. I don't see how a
conservative can look at this situation and not think Congress is
off
it's nut. It's tossing hundreds of years of precedent re: spousal
vs.
parental say in family issues; it's leaping into a courtlike process
of
case review, a place where it has very limited (if any) business at
all;
it goes counter to the notion of local control... from a
conservative
stance this is toxic as hell.
One some things the Captain ain't all that conservative. The state
should not have the right to enforce euthanasia on non compos mentis
patients on mere hearsay evidence.
I understand the moral position. And if an organized process was
underway to "rid society of mindless eaters" or something I'd be
concerned. But if you allow *this* congress to behave this way, then
there's nothing to stop some other, very different, future congress
from
capriciously stuffing some stupid lefty moral position into every
corner
of the social fabric, up to and including what you feed your children,
how respectful your tone of voice is in addressing your dog, etc.
I don't think you want that.
Even mass murderers get a final appeal from state to federal court.
Some even go to the US supreme court. All that was demanded by
congress in this one case was this same right be afforded this poor
lady. Seems that federal court will allow the tubes to be pulled. In
the end she will be just as dead as them. Only it will be slower.
I suspect the people who are making the most noise on this issue have
*never* dealt with it before. Those of us who have realize it isn't a
black and white issue, and there isn't a "correct" answer. In the end
you have to have a certain amount of trust that family will look after
their own... that they are the best arbiters of this sort of process.
Ideally family comes together when something like this happens and reach
a decision in concert. That didn't happen here, obviously. In the past,
when there is disagreement, the spouse's judgement in the issue has been
considered to be paramount. Presumably the spouse has a better grasp of
what that person would have wanted. This is logical when you think about
it. This is the person who the patient has lived with, raised children
with, eaten dinner with every night the past few years, etc. The parents
of the patient are involved, certainly, but usually are not nearly as
closely involved in that person's recent life. They are not the best
judge.
I'm saying this as a general rule of thumb. Clearly there are
exceptions. But laws, if they're made at all, need to go with what makes
sense most of the time.
This can be changed. But if you're going to change it, you're saying at
least a few things:
1) A spouse is not to be trusted to look after a sick person's best
interests
2) We need more laws
3) One branch of government isn't enough to handle individual cases
before the law
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because
it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it
takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of
trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain
Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "ngocchung" |
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23 Mar 2005 09:35:18 PM |
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So I know now why the guy shot and killed the Judge in Georgia last week.
Cheers./.
"T" <e@wh.gov> wrote in message
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"Ronald 224" <rond@rbellsouth.net> wrote in
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"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ca957d377146be198c3bd@news.uni-berlin.de...
In article <v59u31hpc7flif2381eeloceac1sh8tfiq@4ax.com>,
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net says...
I don't know how they would get her consent since she is a
vegetable. I guess she could make a moaning rap video.
Because she can't give her consent the default shouldn't be death.
From all that has been written it seems clear she gave her consent
(stated a wish not to be kept alive in this state) prior to becoming
incable of communicating.
In what way is that not consent?
There is only her husband's claim. Since when is hersay evidence
acceptable in court.
The court that decided this issue relied upon and found credible the
testimony of witnesses other than Mr. Schiavo or the Schindlers.
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| User: "Buford T. Justice" |
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21 Mar 2005 12:12:59 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
I don't know how they would get her consent since she is a vegetable. I
guess she could make a moaning rap video.
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| User: "The Real Diddy Pop" |
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21 Mar 2005 12:23:00 PM |
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Nah, not rap, Bob Dylan.
Buford T. Justice wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about
the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the
power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input
of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
I don't know how they would get her consent since she is a vegetable.
I
guess she could make a moaning rap video.
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| User: "Buford T. Justice" |
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21 Mar 2005 12:29:10 PM |
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Or even "The Macarena".
"The Real Diddy Pop" <whodey1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111429380.902637.242130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Nah, not rap, Bob Dylan.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
21 Mar 2005 01:48:11 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:12:59 -0600, "Buford T. Justice" <???@msn.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:6c2u31h1ag9d2fsdmkq04i3t2cbv92jqaf@4ax.com...
On 21 Mar 2005 03:27:23 -0800, wrote:
Pay attention pin head. It ain't a religious issue. Forget about the
husband and the parents. Does the government or courts have the power
under civil law to decide life and death issues without the input of
*all* parties concerned? The court is forcing Terri's death without
Terri's consent.
I don't know how they would get her consent since she is a vegetable. I
guess she could make a moaning rap video.
Because she can't give her consent the default shouldn't be death.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Terry Schiavo... LET HER DIE! |
21 Mar 2005 04:15:20 PM |
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In article <v59u31hpc7flif2381eeloceac1sh8tfiq@4ax.com>,
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net says...
I don't know how they would get her consent since she is a vegetable. I
guess she could make a moaning rap video.
Because she can't give her consent the default shouldn't be death.
From all that has been written it seems clear she gave her consent
(stated a wish not to be kept alive in this state) prior to becoming
incable of communicating.
In what way is that not consent?
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| User: "Ronald 224" |
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23 Mar 2005 08:04:18 PM |
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"Pat Winstanley" <boredofspam2004@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ca957d377146be198c3bd@news.uni-berlin.de...
In article <v59u31hpc7flif2381eeloceac1sh8tfiq@4ax.com>,
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net says...
I don't know how they would get her consent since she is a vegetable. I
guess she could make a moaning rap video.
Because she can't give her consent the default shouldn't be death.
From all that has been written it seems clear she gave her consent
(stated a wish not to be kept alive in this state) prior to becoming
incable of communicating.
In what way is that not consent?
There is only her husband's claim. Since when is hersay evidence
acceptable in court.
It's also true that her husband is living with another woman and
has fathered two children with her. So, it can hardly be said that
he has been faithful to his _wife_ terri. Consequently, how can
he have her best interest in mind?
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