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"Michael Calwell" |
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15 Mar 2005 01:51:03 AM |
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Thank you America! |
Letter from the UK
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Finally, finally, at long long last, the abortion issue is on the
national agenda in the run up to our national elections. This is the
first time in many, many years. For far too long, this slaughter has
been surrounded by a conspiracy of silence, an ineffable horror that
dared not speak its name.
I do not believe that this would have happened if abortion had not been
such a major issue in the recent US election. And it is thanks to all
you pro-lifers out there who have worked so hard, and who have given us
in the UK the confidence and courage to keep pushing forward.
We have our own John Kerry. His name is Tony Blair. This man regularly
attends Catholic Mass with his wife who is Catholic, and yet defended
abortion himself in public. Finally he is to be discredited and exposed
for the hypocrite he is.
We are getting there, slowly but surely. Let us never forget that
abortion is a global holocaust and our fight is a united one.
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| User: "Adrian Miles-Davros" |
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| Title: Re: Thank you America! |
15 Mar 2005 05:40:11 PM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Letter from the UK
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How dare you try to make yourself be seen as representative of the UK? The
letter is from you, one sad individual speaking to a group of ill educated
right wing christian morons who wish to see society taken back to a new dark
age of superstition and myth.
Finally, finally, at long long last, the abortion issue is on the >
national agenda in the run up to our national elections.
I think you are going to be very disappointed. There are far more important
issues to be raised in this forthcoming election, than something, which as a
civilised country we do not have an issue with.
This is the > first time in many, many years. For far too long, this
slaughter has > been surrounded by a conspiracy of silence, an ineffable
horror that > dared not speak its name.>
The only "ineffable horror" in attempting to raise any debate in the UK
around this issue, is that people like you want to see the removal of a
basic freedom of choice.
I do not believe that this would have happened if abortion had not been >
such a major issue in the recent US election.
It hasn't happened yet, and hopefully apart from idiots like you, it will
not be an issue here.
And it is thanks to all > you pro-lifers out there who have worked so hard,
and who have given us > in the UK the confidence and courage to keep
pushing forward.>
Hopefully the UK will continue to grow as a secular society however should
you manage to move from the margins of debate, you will be challenged at
every turn by those of us who believe in choice and freedom to choose.
We also have people across the Atlantic who we can look to for inspiration
in fighting your attempts to remove freedom, and we will adopt those methods
to ensure that you are thwarted in every possible way.
http://www.maggotpunks.com/mnp.htm
We have our own John Kerry. His name is Tony Blair. This man regularly >
attends Catholic Mass with his wife who is Catholic, and yet defended >
abortion himself in public. Finally he is to be discredited and exposed
for the hypocrite he is.>
Whilst I certainly am not a fan of Tony Blair, his statement today on the
issue of abortion was/is quite unequivocal, and all three major parties
agree that it is an issue of personal conscience and not an election issue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4349581.stm
"All three main parties say the issue is one for each MP's conscience,
rather than one where there is a party-wide policy. Mr Howard stressed his
views were his personal views. "
We are getting there, slowly but surely. Let us never forget that >
abortion is a global holocaust and our fight is a united one.
In your dreams!
AMD
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| User: "Michael Calwell" |
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| Title: Re: Thank you America! |
16 Mar 2005 05:48:48 AM |
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Adrian Miles-Davros wrote:
"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:423693ea$0$8759$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
Letter from the UK
============
How dare you try to make yourself be seen as representative of the UK? The
letter is from you, one sad individual speaking to a group of ill educated
right wing christian morons who wish to see society taken back to a new dark
age of superstition and myth.
How DARE I do what? I am not a representative of the UK, I am writing
from the UK. Calm down.
Finally, finally, at long long last, the abortion issue is on the >
national agenda in the run up to our national elections.
I think you are going to be very disappointed. There are far more important
issues to be raised in this forthcoming election, than something, which as a
civilised country we do not have an issue with.
No, in fact an increasing number of people do question whether or not we
can consider ourselves a civilised country as long as we persist in the
barbaric practice of abortion, especially elective abortion.
This is the > first time in many, many years. For far too long, this
slaughter has > been surrounded by a conspiracy of silence, an ineffable
horror that > dared not speak its name.>
The only "ineffable horror" in attempting to raise any debate in the UK
around this issue, is that people like you want to see the removal of a
basic freedom of choice.
What, like freedom to choose to drive through town centres at seventy
miles an hour or fire shotguns into schoolrooms? Be more specific.
I do not believe that this would have happened if abortion had not been >
such a major issue in the recent US election.
It hasn't happened yet, and hopefully apart from idiots like you, it will
not be an issue here.
It's hardly going to go away.
And it is thanks to all > you pro-lifers out there who have worked so hard,
and who have given us > in the UK the confidence and courage to keep
pushing forward.>
Hopefully the UK will continue to grow as a secular society however should
you manage to move from the margins of debate, you will be challenged at
every turn by those of us who believe in choice and freedom to choose.
The UK is sinking into a pit of nihilism and self destruction, in no
small part due to the triumph of hopeless ideologies. And again, what
choices?
We also have people across the Atlantic who we can look to for inspiration
in fighting your attempts to remove freedom, and we will adopt those methods
to ensure that you are thwarted in every possible way.
http://www.maggotpunks.com/mnp.htm
Great!!!
We have our own John Kerry. His name is Tony Blair. This man regularly >
attends Catholic Mass with his wife who is Catholic, and yet defended >
abortion himself in public. Finally he is to be discredited and exposed
for the hypocrite he is.>
Whilst I certainly am not a fan of Tony Blair, his statement today on the
issue of abortion was/is quite unequivocal, and all three major parties
agree that it is an issue of personal conscience and not an election issue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4349581.stm
Well, they do for now, but things can and do change.
"All three main parties say the issue is one for each MP's conscience,
rather than one where there is a party-wide policy. Mr Howard stressed his
views were his personal views. "
We are getting there, slowly but surely. Let us never forget that >
abortion is a global holocaust and our fight is a united one.
In your dreams!
AMD
In my reality!!
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| User: "Adrian Miles-Davros" |
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| Title: Re: Thank you America! |
17 Mar 2005 01:01:32 PM |
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"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Adrian Miles-Davros wrote:
"Michael Calwell" <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:423693ea$0$8759$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
First of all Michael, I do apologise, that was a total accident in posting a
reply directly to you instead of the group.
Letter from the UK
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How dare you try to make yourself be seen as representative of the UK?
The >> letter is from you, one sad individual speaking to a
group of >>>>> ill educated right wing christian morons who wish to
see society taken >>>>> back to a new dark >> age of superstition and
myth.
How DARE I do what? I am not a representative of the UK, I am writing
from the UK. Calm down.
Then why did you not address it as " A letter from MC in the UK"?
Finally, finally, at long long last, the abortion issue is on the >
national agenda in the run up to our national elections.
I think you are going to be very disappointed. There are far more >
important >> issues to be raised in this forthcoming election, than
something, which as a civilised country we do not have an issue with.
No, in fact an increasing number of people do question whether or not >
we > can consider ourselves a civilised country as long as we persist
in > the > barbaric practice of abortion, especially elective
abortion.>
Only those who are too ill educated to examine the issues
dispassionately and thus lack the objectivity to make an informed
decision.
This is the > first time in many, many years. For far too long, this
slaughter has > been surrounded by a conspiracy of silence, an >
ineffable >> horror that > dared not speak its name.>
The only "ineffable horror" in attempting to raise any debate in the
UK >> around this issue, is that people like you want to see the
removal > of a >> basic freedom of choice.
What, like freedom to choose to drive through town centres at seventy
miles an hour or fire shotguns into schoolrooms? Be more specific.
You are fully aware of the freedom of choice I am referring to, please
don't make yourself look a bigger ***** than you are with these >
fatuous > points.
I do not believe that this would have happened if abortion had not > been >
such a major issue in the recent US election.
It hasn't happened yet, and hopefully apart from idiots like you, it >
will >> not be an issue here.
It's hardly going to go away.
It went away quickly enough when the Chancellor started talking today >
LOL!
And it is thanks to all > you pro-lifers out there who have worked so >
hard, >> and who have given us > in the UK the confidence and courage >
to keep >> pushing forward.>
Hopefully the UK will continue to grow as a secular society however >>
should >> you manage to move from the margins of debate, you will be >>
challenged at >> every turn by those of us who believe in choice and >
freedom to choose.
The UK is sinking into a pit of nihilism and self destruction, in no >
small part due to the triumph of hopeless ideologies.
ROFLOL! And what hopeless ideologies would those be?
And again, what > choices?>
In this specific instance the choice of a woman to determine whether or
not she should allow a group of cells to develop into a child, or
are we not talking about the same subject.
We also have people across the Atlantic who we can look to for >
inspiration in fighting your attempts to remove freedom, and we will>>
adopt those methods to ensure that you are thwarted in every possible >
way.
http://www.maggotpunks.com/mnp.htm
Great!!!
I'm glad you think so.
We have our own John Kerry. His name is Tony Blair. This man >
regularly >attends Catholic Mass with his wife who is Catholic, and
yet > defended > abortion himself in public. Finally he is to be
discredited
and exposed >>>for the hypocrite he is.>
Whilst I certainly am not a fan of Tony Blair, his statement today on > the
issue of abortion was/is quite unequivocal, and all three > major >
parties >> agree that it is an issue of personal conscience and not an
election issue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4349581.stm
Well, they do for now, but things can and do change.
Not while there are enough rational people here who do not want to see a >
return to superstition and myth.
"All three main parties say the issue is one for each MP's conscience, >
rather than one where there is a party-wide policy. Mr Howard stressed > his
views were his personal views. "
We are getting there, slowly but surely. Let us never forget that >
abortion is a global holocaust and our fight is a united one.
In your dreams!
AMD
In my reality!!
Two Exclamation marks, here, three on a previous line, a sure sign of a >
warped mind.
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| User: "The Chastening of Lesbos" |
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16 Mar 2005 02:07:59 PM |
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In article <1110930003.5849.0@lotis.uk.clara.net>, "Adrian Miles-Davros"
<am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.maggotpunks.com/mnp.htm
Wow, you guys are badass! I was just thinking the other day, "What we
desparately need is more *manifestos*, especially on a medium with as
much percieved value as the World Wide Web!" First I checked out your
riotously hilarious and scathingly satirical Photoshop fakes...
http://www.maggotpunks.com/phun/DDD/007.jpg
Ha! Religion will be upended by execrable Photoshop work! (tip: try using
a clipping mask with a feathered brush. This would be inexcusable if it
came from MacPaint.)
http://www.maggotpunks.com/phun/DDD/030.jpg
Winning hearts and minds. Pro-choicers' complete absence of pragmatism
floors me.
http://www.maggotpunks.com/MTP/as.htm
Hmmm. I wondered if Annie Sprinkles might the porn star/performance
artist. I should have known better, because that would at least be
*interesting*.
Age: 21
Sex: Never with a animal, or Christian, (which one would be more
despicable?)
I'm sure this has been the cause of many a man's crisis of faith.
Ambitions: Have an affair with many well known televangelists,
expose them, and use this publicity to bring the Christian
religion to its demise.
Contradictions aside, it's a moot point because you're no Jessica Hahn,
toots. (Faced with a choice of yanking my crank to a Jessica Hahn movie or
an Annie Sprinkes movie, I'd choose Jessica *any day of the week*,
although Annie's collaboration with the Hafler Trio quite frankly put
Jessica's to shame.)
At the bottom of each page is "Love us or hate us, if you have to e-mail
us click here." Please, please, please email us and pay attention to us
PLEASE!
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| User: "Pat Winstanley" |
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| Title: Re: Thank you America! |
15 Mar 2005 05:20:28 AM |
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In article <423693ea$0$8759$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>,
michael.calwell@btopenworld.com says...
Finally, finally, at long long last, the abortion issue is on the
national agenda in the run up to our national elections. This is the
first time in many, many years. For far too long, this slaughter has
been surrounded by a conspiracy of silence, an ineffable horror that
dared not speak its name.
Oddly enough abortion has been 'on the agenda' at the last few general
elections.
Your memory is clearly faulty! :-)
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| User: "The Chastening of Lesbos" |
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15 Mar 2005 10:19:52 PM |
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In article <423693ea$0$8759$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, Michael Calwell
<michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote:
I do not believe that this would have happened if abortion had not been
such a major issue in the recent US election.
Actually, it was pretty much a silent, unspoken issue during the
election; only after the election did it really became an "issue", when
the Democrats were banging their heads trying to figure out how their sure
thing got away-- how they managed to fail to unseat an incumbent whose
approval ratings were at epoch lows. "Let's see, there's this huge public
unrest about Iraq, so how do we capitalize on this? I know, let's run the
most arch-pro-choice presidental candidate in history!"
It wasn't an issue because everybody knew where the candidates stood
anyway, and there weren't any abortion-related hot-plate issues spitting
grittle at the time (Stem-cell research was '00) However, even Democrats
(*especially* Democrats) were shaking their heads at Kerry's obfuscatory-
and ultimately insulting- answer to a question posed him during a debate
concerning federal funding of abortion... if he'd said "Screw you, I'll
force you to pay for abortions whether you like it or not!", it would have
at least been possible to admire his honesty. (Also, note how he
stealthily references his stint in Vietnam in response to a question about
abortion.)
(http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/08/debate.transcript3/index.html)
GIBSON: Going to go to the final two questions now, and the
first one will be for Sen. Kerry. And this comes from Sarah
Degenhart.
QUESTIONER: Sen. Kerry, suppose you are speaking with a voter
who believed abortion is murder and the voter asked for
reassurance that his or her tax dollars would not go to support
abortion, what would you say to that person?
KERRY: I would say to that person exactly what I will say to
you right now.
First of all, I cannot tell you how deeply I respect the
belief about life and when it begins. I'm a Catholic, raised a
Catholic. I was an altar boy. Religion has been a huge part of
my life. It helped lead me through a war, leads me today.
But I can't take what is an article of faith for me and
legislate it for someone who doesn't share that article of
faith, whether they be agnostic, atheist, Jew, Protestant,
whatever. I can't do that.
But I can counsel people. I can talk reasonably about life and
about responsibility. I can talk to people, as my wife Teresa
does, about making other choices, and about abstinence, and
about all these other things that we ought to do as a
responsible society.
But as a president, I have to represent all the people in the
nation. And I have to make that judgment.
Now, I believe that you can take that position and not be pro-
abortion, but you have to afford people their constitutional
rights. And that means being smart about allowing people to be
fully educated, to know what their options are in life, and
making certain that you don't deny a poor person the right to be
able to have whatever the Constitution affords them if they
can't afford it otherwise.
That's why I think it's important. That's why I think it's
important for the United States, for instance, not to have this
rigid ideological restriction on helping families around the
world to be able to make a smart decision about family planning.
You'll help prevent AIDS.
You'll help prevent unwanted children, unwanted pregnancies.
You'll actually do a better job, I think, of passing on the
moral responsibility that is expressed in your question. And I
truly respect it.
GIBSON: Mr. President, minute and a half.
BUSH: I'm trying to decipher that.
The questioner- independent of what she thought of the content of his
response- was a tad more charitable than W. concerning the form of his
response.
(http://www.studlife.com/news/2004/10/11/News/Some-Town.Hall.Questioners.Still.Undecided.In.Contest-748781.shtml)
University City resident Sarah Degenhart felt that Senator
Kerry answered her question well and said what she expected to
hear. She posed a question relating to abortion, asking Kerry
what he would say to a voter who believes abortion is murder and
doesn't want his or her tax dollars used to support abortion.
While she's leaning more towards President Bush, she appreciated
Kerry's effort and the fact that he addressed the question
completely.
"I'm pleased with how Kerry answered the question. He was
complete and tried to explain himself," Degenhart said. "I came
away with a greater sense of Kerry's skill as a politician."
Diplomatic to a fault. Still, I doubt this lost Kerry the election.
(Actually, I think the person who came out on top of all of this was
Sarah-- a fair number of people on the blogosphere found her quite
bewitching.)
Here is a prophetic article by Carol Crossed, written before the election.
http://www.populist.com/04.14.crossed.html
"Columnist Mark Shields put it this way: 'What has to worry
Democrats, who for the first time in nearly 17 months see George
Bush's politically vulnerable, is that their potential nominee
will -- by compulsive constituency coddling of the variety shown
at NARAL -- forfeit any chance of winning in November 2004.'"
This article is fairly prosaic, but Google "Carol Crossed" for perhaps
some of the most eloquent words ever written on the subject of abortion.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Thank you America! |
15 Mar 2005 10:43:42 AM |
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Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Letter from the UK
============
Finally, finally, at long long last, the abortion issue is on the
national agenda in the run up to our national elections. This is the
first time in many, many years. For far too long, this slaughter has
been surrounded by a conspiracy of silence, an ineffable horror that
dared not speak its name.
Anti-abortion lunacy.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!" |
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15 Mar 2005 11:21:09 AM |
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:43:42 GMT,
Ray Fischer.< rfischer@bolt.sonic.net>wrote:
Michael Calwell <michael.calwell@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Letter from the UK
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Finally, finally, at long long last, the abortion issue is on the
national agenda in the run up to our national elections.
As it has been several times before, as Pat Winstanley (in YOUR
country) pointed out. And you moronic looks keep right on getting
your ***** handed to you by the more fair-minded and sensible elec-
torate. (LOL!!!!)
Anti-abortion lunacy.
Indeed. Anti-Choicers, wherever they may happen to live, are
LONG on hateful and irrational bigotry, and very SHORT on intelli-
gence and common sense.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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