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"janet santana" |
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08 Jul 2004 04:47:45 PM |
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The Abortion Machine |
Turn on the abortion machine
what difference does it make?
Turn on the abortion machine
nine months is too long to wait
http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionPictures3.htm
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| User: "Dennis M. Hammes" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
12 Jul 2004 01:04:46 AM |
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Rob Evans wrote:
In message <40F13CDA.82314D40@arvig.net>, Dennis M. Hammes
<scrawlmark@arvig.net> writes
Rob, /nobody/ has the "Right" to inconvenience me for nine months.
Or nine minutes.
Wrong. The guvmint has the elected right (regardless of how ya voted)
to do just that. Others - maybe not. The question is what is an
appropriate response to being inconvenienced. That, to me anyway, is
what this discussion is all about.
Actually, it's about the soc.suck assertion that making a wish is to
be accounted as equal with voting.
The voter registration form in the U.S. is called a "DD Form 214."
If Counties want to register cannibal-wannabe Protestants as
somehow "equal" with that, I say let 'em; that way we know who and
what they are and where they live.
....
Morality is personal stuff, kid. It's founded in /aesthetics/.
Why an "aristocrat" is somebody who "survives his own taste."
And ethics is handled with an "equals" sign.
Why the other sorry, sad, sonofabitch doesn't survive /his/.
If you mean there is no universal moral code, then I agree with you. If
you think that that is reason enough not to bother with the evolution of
moral codes then you're just another dumb redneck.
Rob
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Rob Evans
While "there are roughly zones," the evolution of moral codes is as
personal as the moral aesthetic in the first place.
Ethics is universal by definition; thus the most immediate check
of a "law" is the ability to conjugate it as a regular verb. If you
can't, it ain't.
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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10 Jul 2004 05:09:51 PM |
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Rob Evans wrote:
In message <Sv2dnVgMpLnv2W3dRVn-hA@heartoftn.net>, Flower Power
<WomansChoice@thisNG.com> writes
"Rob Evans" <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:TuwAOpBSS67AFwDE@mla001.demon.co.uk...
In message <wfmdnV9I6dkJpHLdRVn-hw@heartoftn.net>, Flower Power
<Freedom@this-time.net> writes
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area.
$ Her welfare *IS* her life! Her life can be ruined by having an
unwanted
child as everyone knows.
No it is not. And even if it were, it's not an argument for murder. A
life MIGHT be ruined by an unwanted baby or it might be interrupted for
9 months followed by adoption. My life MIGHT be ruined by unwanted
venture capitalists but it doesn't give me the right to kill them.
If the venture capitalists are physically attacking you, it does.
It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
$ Why not abort when giving birth can DESTROY her life, maim her forever
and ruin her financially?
might be an inconvenience for 9 months - get a grip.
Obviously you have no clue about the basic biology of pregnancy, never
mind the financial realities.
Why do you call THAT a convenience?
No, I call it a ridiculous over-dramatisation.
Obviously you have no clue about the basic biology of pregnancy, never
mind the financial realities.
Why should
she take that chance to please people like you?
For the same reason that I can't shoot you for being irritating - we
elect people who make laws which roughly comply with an accepted code of
morality. You never get 100% consensus but we generally go with the
majority.
The main problem, of course, is deciding when
the foetus becomes a person with the human right to life. Currently,
that seems to based on viability which presents several problems such
as:
people on life support machines may not be viable but you don't "switch
them off" for convenience;
$ What has CONVENIENCE got to do with abortion or allowing a brain-dead
person to move on?
Nothing - that's the point. Nobody's suggesting (I hope) that a bwoman
has to have a baby regardless of risk but I am suggesting that you might
think twice about termination just because it's going to screw your
social calendar for a year.
medical techniques are improving to the point where increasingly
premature babies can be helped to a healthy future;
$ So?
So viability is one of the factors in current abortion law - do you know
ANYTHING about this?
Viability even in its most enhanced form does not cover the period where
most abortions occur.
brain activity indicating self-awareness is now believed to be present
before 20 weeks.
$ So?
Clue - if it thinks, it's a person. If it's a person, it's murder.
Incorrect. Not all forms of killing are murder.
All of these combine to pose a moral question about the automatic right
to abortion (particularly late termination) under all circumstances.
Rob
$ Whose "moral" questions? Yours? You have no right to try and force
"your
morals" on others.
Not mine - ours. It's everybody's moral question. As for forcing - have
you checked your front door? Anybody kicked it down? Of course not.
This is a discussion of morality in an open forum. Is this a problem
for you - do you believe in early termination of reason also?
Rob
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--sexkitten--If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come
from morons?
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| User: "Rob Evans" |
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11 Jul 2004 05:45:17 AM |
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In message <2lb7qfFajlriU1@uni-berlin.de>, --sexkitten--
<ladyhawk_two_nospam@hotmail.com> writes
Rob Evans wrote:
In message <Sv2dnVgMpLnv2W3dRVn-hA@heartoftn.net>, Flower Power
<WomansChoice@thisNG.com> writes
"Rob Evans" <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:TuwAOpBSS67AFwDE@mla001.demon.co.uk...
In message <wfmdnV9I6dkJpHLdRVn-hw@heartoftn.net>, Flower Power
<Freedom@this-time.net> writes
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area.
$ Her welfare *IS* her life! Her life can be ruined by having an
unwanted
child as everyone knows.
No it is not. And even if it were, it's not an argument for murder.
A life MIGHT be ruined by an unwanted baby or it might be interrupted
for 9 months followed by adoption. My life MIGHT be ruined by
unwanted venture capitalists but it doesn't give me the right to kill them.
If the venture capitalists are physically attacking you, it does.
It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
$ Why not abort when giving birth can DESTROY her life, maim her forever
and ruin her financially?
might be an inconvenience for 9 months - get a grip.
Obviously you have no clue about the basic biology of pregnancy, never
mind the financial realities.
Whereas you imply that the threat to the mother is extremely high and
there are significant financial implications. Please explain.
Why do you call THAT a convenience?
No, I call it a ridiculous over-dramatisation.
Obviously you have no clue about the basic biology of pregnancy, never
mind the financial realities.
Why should
she take that chance to please people like you?
For the same reason that I can't shoot you for being irritating -
we elect people who make laws which roughly comply with an accepted
code of morality. You never get 100% consensus but we generally go
with the majority.
The main problem, of course, is deciding when
the foetus becomes a person with the human right to life. Currently,
that seems to based on viability which presents several problems such
as:
people on life support machines may not be viable but you don't "switch
them off" for convenience;
$ What has CONVENIENCE got to do with abortion or allowing a brain-dead
person to move on?
Nothing - that's the point. Nobody's suggesting (I hope) that a
bwoman has to have a baby regardless of risk but I am suggesting that
you might think twice about termination just because it's going to
screw your social calendar for a year.
medical techniques are improving to the point where increasingly
premature babies can be helped to a healthy future;
$ So?
So viability is one of the factors in current abortion law - do you
know ANYTHING about this?
Viability even in its most enhanced form does not cover the period
where most abortions occur.
I haven't argued that all abortions are unjustifiable. I've merely
stated that there are moral issues to be addressed in late termination.
brain activity indicating self-awareness is now believed to be present
before 20 weeks.
$ So?
Clue - if it thinks, it's a person. If it's a person, it's murder.
Incorrect. Not all forms of killing are murder.
I haven't argued that all abortions are unjustifiable. I've merely
stated that there are moral issues to be addressed in late termination
and that for some terminations the question of murder can be debated.
Rob
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| User: "j r sherman" |
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10 Jul 2004 08:49:31 PM |
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In article <TuwAOpBSS67AFwDE@mla001.demon.co.uk>, Rob Evans says...
In message <wfmdnV9I6dkJpHLdRVn-hw@heartoftn.net>, Flower Power
<Freedom@this-time.net> writes
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style. The main problem, of course, is deciding when
the foetus becomes a person with the human right to life. Currently,
that seems to based on viability which presents several problems such
as:
people on life support machines may not be viable but you don't "switch
them off" for convenience;
well, you can with me, Mr. Rob. is you're not even aware that the A's or Niners
are on, what's the point of hanging around for that? self-shuffling of the
mortal coil should be the 11th commandment, especially if the only thing that
keeps ya around is the expensive machine that goes "ping?"
nah, you can unplug me at any time the brain waves show nothing.
and following that logic, we can turn off chuckles now.
so you see, there's an upside to this.
sorry, machine living also applies to us older folk too.
medical techniques are improving to the point where increasingly
premature babies can be helped to a healthy future;
brain activity indicating self-awareness is now believed to be present
before 20 weeks.
All of these combine to pose a moral question about the automatic right
to abortion (particularly late termination) under all circumstances.
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's gonna do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion, but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said for all of
us i suppose.
just my comments on the subject.
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| User: "Rob Evans" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 06:11:43 AM |
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In message <ccq6bb01q33@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's gonna do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion, but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said for all of
us i suppose.
just my comments on the subject.
I don't much disagree. The only real comment that I had to make was
that I can't see abortion on demand under all circumstances being
morally justifiable. It comes down to the question of when the "thing"
becomes a human. I don't know the answer but the law, at least, should
be framed to try to protect both persons when that condition is reached.
I am intrigued as to why independent viability is the main criterion
when we don't apply it to the born and I am interested in the criterion
of self-awareness and the point of its development.
Rob
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 11:54:24 AM |
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In article <ZXYSAPEvBS8AFwY4@mla001.demon.co.uk>,
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ccq6bb01q33@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's gonna
do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion, but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said for all
of
us i suppose.
just my comments on the subject.
I don't much disagree. The only real comment that I had to make was
that I can't see abortion on demand under all circumstances being
morally justifiable. It comes down to the question of when the "thing"
becomes a human. I don't know the answer but the law, at least, should
be framed to try to protect both persons when that condition is reached.
I am intrigued as to why independent viability is the main criterion
when we don't apply it to the born and I am interested in the criterion
of self-awareness and the point of its development.
In Canadian viability is implicit in the statutes.
Being human, born and alive implies that one is independently viable.
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| User: "Renay St. James" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 01:55:11 PM |
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"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-4E93B2.12551711072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <ZXYSAPEvBS8AFwY4@mla001.demon.co.uk>,
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ccq6bb01q33@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's
gonna
do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion,
but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said
for all
of
us i suppose.
just my comments on the subject.
I don't much disagree. The only real comment that I had to make was
that I can't see abortion on demand under all circumstances being
morally justifiable. It comes down to the question of when the "thing"
becomes a human. I don't know the answer but the law, at least, should
be framed to try to protect both persons when that condition is reached.
I am intrigued as to why independent viability is the main criterion
when we don't apply it to the born and I am interested in the criterion
of self-awareness and the point of its development.
In Canadian viability is implicit in the statutes.
Being human, born and alive implies that one is independently viable.
down here if you kill a pregnant woman you're charged with double murder.
Renay
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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11 Jul 2004 02:15:11 PM |
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In article <j2gIc.69644$XM6.43550@attbi_s53>,
"Renay St. James" <sophia@prettyprettyprincess.com> wrote:
"Bob's Boyfriend" <together@wyoming.com> wrote in message
news:together-4E93B2.12551711072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
In article <ZXYSAPEvBS8AFwY4@mla001.demon.co.uk>,
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ccq6bb01q33@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's
gonna
do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion,
but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said
for all
of
us i suppose.
just my comments on the subject.
I don't much disagree. The only real comment that I had to make was
that I can't see abortion on demand under all circumstances being
morally justifiable. It comes down to the question of when the "thing"
becomes a human. I don't know the answer but the law, at least, should
be framed to try to protect both persons when that condition is reached.
I am intrigued as to why independent viability is the main criterion
when we don't apply it to the born and I am interested in the criterion
of self-awareness and the point of its development.
In Canadian viability is implicit in the statutes.
Being human, born and alive implies that one is independently viable.
down here if you kill a pregnant woman you're charged with double murder.
Some laws need to be changed.
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| User: "Dennis M. Hammes" |
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12 Jul 2004 01:17:54 AM |
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Bob's Boyfriend wrote:
In article <ZXYSAPEvBS8AFwY4@mla001.demon.co.uk>,
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ccq6bb01q33@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's gonna
do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion, but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said for all
of
us i suppose.
just my comments on the subject.
I don't much disagree. The only real comment that I had to make was
that I can't see abortion on demand under all circumstances being
morally justifiable. It comes down to the question of when the "thing"
becomes a human. I don't know the answer but the law, at least, should
be framed to try to protect both persons when that condition is reached.
I am intrigued as to why independent viability is the main criterion
when we don't apply it to the born and I am interested in the criterion
of self-awareness and the point of its development.
In Canadian viability is implicit in the statutes.
Being human, born and alive implies that one is independently viable.
Well, if it's independently viable, just leave it on a park bench
and go home.
Of course, if it's not independently viable, you're gonna hafta
teach it to vote Labour before you leave it /anywhere/.
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The most essential gift for a good writer is
a built-in, shock-proof, ***** detector. -- Hemingway
http://scrawlmark.org
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| User: "Rob Evans" |
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11 Jul 2004 04:28:29 PM |
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In message
<together-4E93B2.12551711072004@nntp.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Bob's Boyfriend <together@wyoming.com> writes
In article <ZXYSAPEvBS8AFwY4@mla001.demon.co.uk>,
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ccq6bb01q33@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's gonna
do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion, but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said
for all
of
us i suppose.
just my comments on the subject.
I don't much disagree. The only real comment that I had to make was
that I can't see abortion on demand under all circumstances being
morally justifiable. It comes down to the question of when the "thing"
becomes a human. I don't know the answer but the law, at least, should
be framed to try to protect both persons when that condition is reached.
I am intrigued as to why independent viability is the main criterion
when we don't apply it to the born and I am interested in the criterion
of self-awareness and the point of its development.
In Canadian viability is implicit in the statutes.
Being human, born and alive implies that one is independently viable.
And before birth?
Rob
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| User: "Dennis M. Hammes" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
12 Jul 2004 01:14:34 AM |
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Rob Evans wrote:
In message <ccq6bb01q33@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's gonna do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion, but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said for all of
us i suppose.
just my comments on the subject.
I don't much disagree. The only real comment that I had to make was
that I can't see abortion on demand under all circumstances being
morally justifiable. It comes down to the question of when the "thing"
becomes a human.
Since the chuckles and Tommy, e.g., have not yet become human, the
condition can hardly accrue to a fetus.
I don't know the answer but the law, at least, should
be framed to try to protect both persons when that condition is reached.
I am intrigued as to why independent viability is the main criterion
when we don't apply it to the born and I am interested in the criterion
of self-awareness and the point of its development.
Since one can, if he cares to, observe self-awareness in a
grasshopper, it can hardly be exclusive of /any/ human
classification.
The soc.suck is that self-awareness is the /only/ requisite for
"humanity," "soul," yatta, and if you get sucked into that one, you
get sucked into it.
And while it's blatantly obvious that a newborn baby is blatantly
aware of its own belly, you've got some chore to demonstrate that
it's aware of damn-all else of itself or anything else.
Rob
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The most essential gift for a good writer is
a built-in, shock-proof, ***** detector. -- Hemingway
http://scrawlmark.org
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| User: "Dennis M. Hammes" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 08:54:48 AM |
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j r sherman wrote:
In article <TuwAOpBSS67AFwDE@mla001.demon.co.uk>, Rob Evans says...
In message <wfmdnV9I6dkJpHLdRVn-hw@heartoftn.net>, Flower Power
<Freedom@this-time.net> writes
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style. The main problem, of course, is deciding when
the foetus becomes a person with the human right to life. Currently,
that seems to based on viability which presents several problems such
as:
people on life support machines may not be viable but you don't "switch
them off" for convenience;
well, you can with me, Mr. Rob. is you're not even aware that the A's or Niners
are on, what's the point of hanging around for that? self-shuffling of the
mortal coil should be the 11th commandment, especially if the only thing that
keeps ya around is the expensive machine that goes "ping?"
J R!!! The boy who graduated at the bottom of his class from the
lousiest Third-World medical school on the planet has an /Equal Rat/
to exercise his profession and be /paid for it/, remember?
What kind of Value-Addled Saviour /are/ you to deny Dr. Achmed
Bububu the RIGHT to live off your life savings for watching a
drip-bag, anyway?
AND WHAT ABOUT OUR VERY OWN "ANGEL"?
Are you going to deny an /American/ the Right to /practice her
profession/?
She /went to school/ for it, you know, and /heard Somebody Say/.
nah, you can unplug me at any time the brain waves show nothing.
JESUS H. CHRIST, you've just authorised unplugging the chuckles, not
to mention several other abortions frequenting these varied and
entertaining froups.
"A's"? "Niners"?
/What about UseNet/?
There are more balls dropped on UseNet /every night/ than by the
National League's Green Bay Packers in their entire history!!!
Talk about your cost-effective entertainment...
and following that logic, we can turn off chuckles now.
(Goddammit, ya beat me. Didn't spot that...)
so you see, there's an upside to this.
No, no, no, it's a downside, as I have explained above. Whether
we're talking about cheap entertainment or cheap target practice.
sorry, machine living also applies to us older folk too.
Dam' straight. In fact, I've left instructions in my Living Will
that I am /not/ to be unplugged from my hat unless my brain-waves or
my beer have gone flat, or I'm found at a Marlins game (certain
proof of the former, anyway).
medical techniques are improving to the point where increasingly
premature babies can be helped to a healthy future;
brain activity indicating self-awareness is now believed to be present
before 20 weeks.
All of these combine to pose a moral question about the automatic right
to abortion (particularly late termination) under all circumstances.
i think it goes back to a woman having the right to choose what she's gonna do
with her own body. i know a hundred women who are way against abortion, but
don't feel they can speak for other individuals. this should be said for all of
us i suppose.
Well, it could be, I spoZe, unless you vote Democrat.
Or Republican.
Or Green.
Or Machine.
Or Queen.
just my comments on the subject.
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Zombie last night."
Roky Erikson
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The most essential gift for a good writer is
a built-in, shock-proof, ***** detector. -- Hemingway
http://scrawlmark.org
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Jul 2004 12:00:58 PM |
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Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
The main problem, of course, is deciding when
the foetus becomes a person with the human right to life.
There is no "right to life". People die every day that you could
save. If here was a right to life then do you think you'd be allowed
to spend your money on toys while people are dying?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "j r sherman" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
10 Jul 2004 08:55:17 PM |
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In article <ccp7c9$l3d$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!! i was wondering who it was that was responsible
for all the ills of our slaughter-house world, and it's ROB! so like if we kill
Rob, we shall have the golden age of human living, right?
i never knew the answer was so easy.
Rob, please end your life as soon as possible, for it is YOU who is responsible
for all the madness and injustice in the world.
and i'll bet you didn't even know it, huh?
paradise on earth is so near!!!
love and kisses,
j r "it's all Rob's fault" sherman
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11 Jul 2004 05:11:58 AM |
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In message <ccq6m501r9q@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
In article <ccp7c9$l3d$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
so it's ROB who's responsible!!! i was wondering who it was that was
responsible
for all the ills of our slaughter-house world, and it's ROB! so like if we kill
Rob, we shall have the golden age of human living, right?
i never knew the answer was so easy.
Rob, please end your life as soon as possible, for it is YOU who is responsible
for all the madness and injustice in the world.
and i'll bet you didn't even know it, huh?
paradise on earth is so near!!!
It's enough to make a fellow weep. Only a few weeks ago everybody was
fighting to be my friend and Renay had the hots for me. Okay jr - give
me a kiss and point me towards Golgotha.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
Poetry is the needle that pricks your finger.
Everything else is the haystack.
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| User: "Renay St. James" |
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11 Jul 2004 10:30:57 AM |
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"Rob Evans" <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:HF41EXBuJR8AFwrH@mla001.demon.co.uk...
In message <ccq6m501r9q@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
In article <ccp7c9$l3d$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
so it's ROB who's responsible!!! i was wondering who it was that was
responsible
for all the ills of our slaughter-house world, and it's ROB! so like if
we kill
Rob, we shall have the golden age of human living, right?
i never knew the answer was so easy.
Rob, please end your life as soon as possible, for it is YOU who is
responsible
for all the madness and injustice in the world.
and i'll bet you didn't even know it, huh?
paradise on earth is so near!!!
It's enough to make a fellow weep. Only a few weeks ago everybody was
fighting to be my friend and Renay had the hots for me. Okay jr - give
me a kiss and point me towards Golgotha.
if they don't stop picking on you the girls and I
are gonna put our teeth in, double up on the
Geritol, and whip some usenet *****, honeybunch!
Renay
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| User: "Horatio" |
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11 Jul 2004 03:56:52 PM |
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"Renay St. James" <sophia@prettyprettyprincess.com> wrote in message
news:R2dIc.34634$WX.19094@attbi_s51...
"Rob Evans" <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:HF41EXBuJR8AFwrH@mla001.demon.co.uk...
In message <ccq6m501r9q@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
In article <ccp7c9$l3d$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
so it's ROB who's responsible!!! i was wondering who it was that was
responsible
for all the ills of our slaughter-house world, and it's ROB! so like if
we kill
Rob, we shall have the golden age of human living, right?
i never knew the answer was so easy.
Rob, please end your life as soon as possible, for it is YOU who is
responsible
for all the madness and injustice in the world.
and i'll bet you didn't even know it, huh?
paradise on earth is so near!!!
It's enough to make a fellow weep. Only a few weeks ago everybody was
fighting to be my friend and Renay had the hots for me. Okay jr - give
me a kiss and point me towards Golgotha.
if they don't stop picking on you the girls and I
are gonna put our teeth in, double up on the
Geritol, and whip some usenet *****, honeybunch!
Renay
hmmm . . . ok, declare him your king and you can be Joan . . . er . . .
Renay of Arc.
-H
Happy to torch on demand.
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| User: "Dennis M. Hammes" |
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12 Jul 2004 12:47:09 AM |
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Horatio wrote:
"Renay St. James" <sophia@prettyprettyprincess.com> wrote in message
news:R2dIc.34634$WX.19094@attbi_s51...
"Rob Evans" <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:HF41EXBuJR8AFwrH@mla001.demon.co.uk...
In message <ccq6m501r9q@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
In article <ccp7c9$l3d$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
so it's ROB who's responsible!!! i was wondering who it was that was
responsible
for all the ills of our slaughter-house world, and it's ROB! so like if
we kill
Rob, we shall have the golden age of human living, right?
i never knew the answer was so easy.
Rob, please end your life as soon as possible, for it is YOU who is
responsible
for all the madness and injustice in the world.
and i'll bet you didn't even know it, huh?
paradise on earth is so near!!!
It's enough to make a fellow weep. Only a few weeks ago everybody was
fighting to be my friend and Renay had the hots for me. Okay jr - give
me a kiss and point me towards Golgotha.
if they don't stop picking on you the girls and I
are gonna put our teeth in, double up on the
Geritol, and whip some usenet *****, honeybunch!
Renay
hmmm . . . ok, declare him your king and you can be Joan . . . er . . .
Renay of Arc.
-H
Who dat? De one dat cosines de Edicts?
--
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~/:o)_|
The most essential gift for a good writer is
a built-in, shock-proof, ***** detector. -- Hemingway
http://scrawlmark.org
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| User: "Rob Evans" |
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11 Jul 2004 04:17:00 PM |
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In message <R2dIc.34634$WX.19094@attbi_s51>, Renay St. James
<sophia@prettyprettyprincess.com> writes
"Rob Evans" <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:HF41EXBuJR8AFwrH@mla001.demon.co.uk...
In message <ccq6m501r9q@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
In article <ccp7c9$l3d$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
so it's ROB who's responsible!!! i was wondering who it was that was
responsible
for all the ills of our slaughter-house world, and it's ROB! so like if
we kill
Rob, we shall have the golden age of human living, right?
i never knew the answer was so easy.
Rob, please end your life as soon as possible, for it is YOU who is
responsible
for all the madness and injustice in the world.
and i'll bet you didn't even know it, huh?
paradise on earth is so near!!!
It's enough to make a fellow weep. Only a few weeks ago everybody was
fighting to be my friend and Renay had the hots for me. Okay jr - give
me a kiss and point me towards Golgotha.
if they don't stop picking on you the girls and I
are gonna put our teeth in, double up on the
Geritol, and whip some usenet *****, honeybunch!
There is a God (sob!) and I get to keep my old job. Thank you.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
When I see a swine
I reach for 45-calibre pearls.
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| User: "j r sherman" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 10:48:01 AM |
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In article <HF41EXBuJR8AFwrH@mla001.demon.co.uk>, Rob Evans says...
In message <ccq6m501r9q@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
In article <ccp7c9$l3d$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
so it's ROB who's responsible!!! i was wondering who it was that was
responsible
for all the ills of our slaughter-house world, and it's ROB! so like if we kill
Rob, we shall have the golden age of human living, right?
i never knew the answer was so easy.
Rob, please end your life as soon as possible, for it is YOU who is responsible
for all the madness and injustice in the world.
and i'll bet you didn't even know it, huh?
paradise on earth is so near!!!
It's enough to make a fellow weep. Only a few weeks ago everybody was
fighting to be my friend and Renay had the hots for me. Okay jr - give
me a kiss and point me towards Golgotha.
Rob
come on Rob, it's all part of the savior game, ya know, you're up, you're down,
you ride into Jerusalem in style one day, you go out on a rail the next....trust
me, i know....
what i find amusing is the comical virulence of your somewhat humorous
detractors in this discussion. i don't see anywhere were you mentioned that
women don't have the right to choose to do what they wish to do with their own
bodies, but you had concerns about the whole process that you wished to discuss.
and at last look, because you dared express your concerns and opinions, they're
comparing you to Hitler, Bush and Oliver Stone. tisk-tisk.
if i might quote a mutual friend, as i so often do in these kinds of
discussions: "i thought the whole idea of feminism was that it allowed women to
do they wanted to do?"
alas, it's why i remain so firmly in the middle. the yahoos on both sides are
just so fucking boring!!!
anyway, Golgotha's not so bad! you can see Peter's house from there... :D
love and kisses,
j r "militantly centrist" sherman
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"I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a
Zombie last night."
Roky Erikson
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| User: "Rob Evans" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 04:25:13 PM |
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In message <ccrnfh0kf4@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
In article <HF41EXBuJR8AFwrH@mla001.demon.co.uk>, Rob Evans says...
what i find amusing is the comical virulence of your somewhat humorous
detractors in this discussion. i don't see anywhere were you mentioned that
women don't have the right to choose to do what they wish to do with their own
bodies, but you had concerns about the whole process that you wished to
discuss.
and at last look, because you dared express your concerns and opinions, they're
comparing you to Hitler, Bush and Oliver Stone. tisk-tisk.
It is pretty weird. I think they get so used to their own ng nutters
(the keep women nekkid and chained in the kitchen brigade) that if any
man questions aspects of abortion they don't bother with the fine print
but just scream chavinist (sic) oppressor.
if i might quote a mutual friend, as i so often do in these kinds of
discussions: "i thought the whole idea of feminism was that it allowed women to
do they wanted to do?"
alas, it's why i remain so firmly in the middle. the yahoos on both sides are
just so fucking boring!!!
But they can be unintentionally funny like our own sweet Chuckles who
started this whole thread. Notice how he then when deathly quiet when
the subject of morality was raised? Surprising for such a commited
Baptist Catholic.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
Poetry is the needle that pricks your finger.
Everything else is the haystack.
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| User: "Dennis M. Hammes" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
12 Jul 2004 12:50:35 AM |
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Rob Evans wrote:
In message <ccrnfh0kf4@drn.newsguy.com>, j r sherman
<jrst@earthlink.net> writes
In article <HF41EXBuJR8AFwrH@mla001.demon.co.uk>, Rob Evans says...
what i find amusing is the comical virulence of your somewhat humorous
detractors in this discussion. i don't see anywhere were you mentioned that
women don't have the right to choose to do what they wish to do with their own
bodies, but you had concerns about the whole process that you wished to
discuss.
and at last look, because you dared express your concerns and opinions, they're
comparing you to Hitler, Bush and Oliver Stone. tisk-tisk.
It is pretty weird. I think they get so used to their own ng nutters
(the keep women nekkid and chained in the kitchen brigade) that if any
man questions aspects of abortion they don't bother with the fine print
but just scream chavinist (sic) oppressor.
if i might quote a mutual friend, as i so often do in these kinds of
discussions: "i thought the whole idea of feminism was that it allowed women to
do they wanted to do?"
alas, it's why i remain so firmly in the middle. the yahoos on both sides are
just so fucking boring!!!
But they can be unintentionally funny like our own sweet Chuckles who
started this whole thread. Notice how he then when deathly quiet when
the subject of morality was raised? Surprising for such a commited
Baptist Catholic.
Rob
Not so surprising when you consider that he's a Reformed Baptist
Catholic who introduced ten-year-old Altar Girls into his
"services."
--
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~/:o)_|
The most essential gift for a good writer is
a built-in, shock-proof, ***** detector. -- Hemingway
http://scrawlmark.org
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 12:20:32 AM |
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j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!!
Learn to read, moron.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "j r sherman" |
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11 Jul 2004 01:26:22 AM |
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In article <ccqimv$fig$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!!
Learn to read, moron.
learn to pull your head out of your *****, more moronic. the mere fact of your
posting here has probably cost some lives somewhere. if you've used electricity
today your hands as bloody as anyone's. if you've used a car, bought something
at a store, lit a cigarette, drank a cup of coffee, pulled a sheet over yourself
or have done a thousand other things we westerners do, you're swimming in the
"evil" just as much as the rest of us. so PLEASE, pull those comical nails from
your wrists, ok? that job's been filled by a far smarter and more interesting
guy.
and i have bets down as to when you're gonna accuse me of being anti-choice.
bet ya voted Green, huh?
love and kisses,
j r sherman
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"I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a
Zombie last night."
Roky Erikson
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| User: "Horatio" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 01:53:05 AM |
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"j r sherman" <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ccqmie0gmd@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <ccqimv$fig$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much
greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!!
Learn to read, moron.
learn to pull your head out of your *****, more moronic. the mere fact of
your
posting here has probably cost some lives somewhere. if you've used
electricity
today your hands as bloody as anyone's. if you've used a car, bought
something
at a store, lit a cigarette, drank a cup of coffee, pulled a sheet over
yourself
or have done a thousand other things we westerners do, you're swimming in
the
"evil" just as much as the rest of us. so PLEASE, pull those comical nails
from
your wrists, ok? that job's been filled by a far smarter and more
interesting
guy.
oh, I don't know, j r, I kind of like the idea of blaming it all on Rob.
Hmmm . . . maybe if we nail him to a cross or something, we'll be free to
sin for a couple more millenia.
-H
and i have bets down as to when you're gonna accuse me of being
anti-choice.
bet ya voted Green, huh?
love and kisses,
j r sherman
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"I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a
Zombie last night."
Roky Erikson
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| User: "Dennis M. Hammes" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 06:52:32 AM |
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Horatio wrote:
"j r sherman" <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ccqmie0gmd@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <ccqimv$fig$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much
greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!!
Learn to read, moron.
learn to pull your head out of your *****, more moronic. the mere fact of
your
posting here has probably cost some lives somewhere. if you've used
electricity
today your hands as bloody as anyone's. if you've used a car, bought
something
at a store, lit a cigarette, drank a cup of coffee, pulled a sheet over
yourself
or have done a thousand other things we westerners do, you're swimming in
the
"evil" just as much as the rest of us. so PLEASE, pull those comical nails
from
your wrists, ok? that job's been filled by a far smarter and more
interesting
guy.
oh, I don't know, j r, I kind of like the idea of blaming it all on Rob.
Hmmm . . . maybe if we nail him to a cross or something, we'll be free to
sin for a couple more millenia.
-H
"-H" is for "Heathen"?
"-H" is for "Heretic"?
/j r/ is the Value-Added one, Boy.
Besides, I prefer to nail virgins for my sins.
And everybody else's.
Takes a lotta virgins, let me tell you.
and i have bets down as to when you're gonna accuse me of being
anti-choice.
bet ya voted Green, huh?
love and kisses,
j r sherman
------------------------------------------------------------------
"I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a
Zombie last night."
Roky Erikson
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-------(m+
~/:o)_|
The most essential gift for a good writer is
a built-in, shock-proof, ***** detector. -- Hemingway
http://scrawlmark.org
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| User: "j r sherman" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 03:01:18 AM |
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In article <lt5Ic.462$6q.378@news02.roc.ny>, Horatio says...
"j r sherman" <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ccqmie0gmd@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <ccqimv$fig$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much
greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!!
Learn to read, moron.
learn to pull your head out of your *****, more moronic. the mere fact of
your
posting here has probably cost some lives somewhere. if you've used
electricity
today your hands as bloody as anyone's. if you've used a car, bought
something
at a store, lit a cigarette, drank a cup of coffee, pulled a sheet over
yourself
or have done a thousand other things we westerners do, you're swimming in
the
"evil" just as much as the rest of us. so PLEASE, pull those comical nails
from
your wrists, ok? that job's been filled by a far smarter and more
interesting
guy.
oh, I don't know, j r, I kind of like the idea of blaming it all on Rob.
Hmmm . . . maybe if we nail him to a cross or something, we'll be free to
sin for a couple more millenia.
-H
our Rob, who art in heaven,
hallowed by thy name,
thy kingdom come, thy will be done,
on earth, as it is in England.
give us this day...etc., etc.
yeah, i can see this....
love and kisses,
j r sherman
------------------------------------------------------------------
"I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a
Zombie last night."
Roky Erikson
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| User: "Dennis M. Hammes" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 06:58:31 AM |
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j r sherman wrote:
In article <lt5Ic.462$6q.378@news02.roc.ny>, Horatio says...
"j r sherman" <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ccqmie0gmd@drn.newsguy.com...
In article <ccqimv$fig$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer says...
j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much
greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!!
Learn to read, moron.
learn to pull your head out of your *****, more moronic. the mere fact of
your
posting here has probably cost some lives somewhere. if you've used
electricity
today your hands as bloody as anyone's. if you've used a car, bought
something
at a store, lit a cigarette, drank a cup of coffee, pulled a sheet over
yourself
or have done a thousand other things we westerners do, you're swimming in
the
"evil" just as much as the rest of us. so PLEASE, pull those comical nails
from
your wrists, ok? that job's been filled by a far smarter and more
interesting
guy.
oh, I don't know, j r, I kind of like the idea of blaming it all on Rob.
Hmmm . . . maybe if we nail him to a cross or something, we'll be free to
sin for a couple more millenia.
-H
our Rob, who art in heaven,
hallowed by thy name,
thy kingdom come, thy will be done,
on earth, as it is in England.
give us this day...etc., etc.
Give us this day our Daily Dead
(hey, they're /all his fault/, remember?)
and forgive us our Press Passes
(several watts per post, even, but /somebody's/ gotta Cover the
event)
as we forgive those who press past against us
(save that there is no forgiveness for those who press past a
Princess, /ever/)
for thine is...
for life is...
for thine is...
This is the way the World Ends,
not with a bang but a simper.
/Simper Fi/.
yeah, i can see this....
love and kisses,
j r sherman
------------------------------------------------------------------
"I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a Zombie, I walked with a
Zombie last night."
Roky Erikson
------------------------------------------------------------------
--
-------(m+
~/:o)_|
The most essential gift for a good writer is
a built-in, shock-proof, ***** detector. -- Hemingway
http://scrawlmark.org
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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11 Jul 2004 01:02:16 PM |
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j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!!
Learn to read, moron.
learn to pull your head out of your *****, more moronic. the mere fact of your
posting here has probably cost some lives somewhere. if you've used electricity
***** you're a stupid *****.
1) I never claimed Rob was responsible. If you weren't stupid you'd
have figured that out.
2) I don't demand that anybody be forced to save lives. Not even
pregnant women.
3) Whining that people die because of "convenience or life-style" is
hypocritical when it's you letting people die because of
"convenience or life-style"
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Horatio" |
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| Title: Re: The Abortion Machine |
11 Jul 2004 04:17:37 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:ccrvb8$qhf$1@bolt.sonic.net...
j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
j r sherman <jrst@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ray Fischer says...
Rob Evans <rre@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Flower Power
## The life and welfare of the WOMAN should always be chosen over
the
unwanted fetus.
The life certainly but not, I think, the welfare which is a much
greyer
area. It raises the question of terminating life for an other's
convenience or life-style.
People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style.
so it's ROB who's responsible!!!
Learn to read, moron.
learn to pull your head out of your *****, more moronic. the mere fact of
your
posting here has probably cost some lives somewhere. if you've used
electricity
***** you're a stupid *****.
1) I never claimed Rob was responsible. If you weren't stupid you'd
have figured that out.
Please define what you mean by the following sentence:
--"People die as the result of YOUR convenience or life-style."
it reads like you are blaming an awful lot on Rob. If we should be blaming
someone else, let us know so we can let Rob down from the cross and martyr
the appropriate person.
-H
(Looks like we may owe Rob an apology after all)
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