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User: "Gactimus"
Date: 13 Aug 2004 01:25:51 PM
Object: The atheist sloth ethic
The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]
In Europe, nothing happens in August. It is not, of course, that everyone is
on holiday. Many readers of this column will be among the unhappy few who are
still slogging in to work. But notice the half-empty commuter train, the
uncannily smooth flow of traffic at rush hour.
Notice, too, that virtually no serious decision can be taken in the office
throughout this month, because there is always at least one key executive on
holiday. London in August is lethargic. On close inspection, a large
proportion of the people in the city are, in fact, foreign tourists.
The impact of high summer on other European cities is even more dramatic.
From Bastille Day, Paris is a Parisian-free zone. With the beginning of the
Edinburgh Festival, most residents take to the hills, leaving their city to
be occupied by a ragtag army of amateur actors.
Yet the same cannot be said of New York. Having just returned from what
apparently remains the terrorists' favourite target, I can confirm that,
despite the sweltering heat and multiplying mosquitoes, it is still business
as usual in Manhattan. Only a select few of its inhabitants take themselves
off to Martha's Vineyard; even among the super-rich, there is a preference
for the Hamptons, which are within easier striking distance of their beloved
workplaces.
Everyone knows that Americans have much shorter holidays than Europeans.
While German, Italian and French workers enjoy, on average, more than 40 days
of holiday a year, the average American has to make do with just two weeks.
But this is only part of a growing transatlantic disparity in patterns of
work.
There are, for example, many more Europeans out of work than Americans; over
the past decade, US unemployment has averaged 4.6 per cent, compared with 9.2
per cent for the EU. Another difference is in labour participation. Between
1973 and 1998, the percentage of the American population in employment rose
from 41 to 49 per cent. But in Germany and France, the equivalent percentage
fell to, respectively, 44 and 39 per cent.
Then there is the familiar European penchant for strikes. Between 1992 and
2001, the Spanish economy lost, on average, 271 days per thousand employees
as a result of industrial action. For Denmark, Italy, Finland, Ireland and
France, the figures lay between 80 and 120. The figure for America was just
50.
Nor should we forget our friend the "sickie". It was reported in this
newspaper yesterday that Royal Mail employees - one in every 17 of whom calls
in sick on an average day - are to be offered a novel incentive to turn up
for work.
From now on, those Stakhanovite types who turn up to all their shifts for six
months will be entered in a draw to win a new Ford Focus. In America, they
have a rather different approach. Workers who consistently miss work because
they are feeling under the weather are given the chance to miss it on a
permanent basis - by being fired.
Of course, people who go on strike or absent themselves because of illness
usually return to work at some point. But that is not true of people who
retire. Here, too, Europeans are working less than Americans. By 2050,
according to UN population projections, the proportion of the European
population aged 65 or over will rise from 16 to 28 per cent. America is
ageing, too, but nothing like as fast.
But perhaps the most striking of all the differences between American and
European working patterns, however, relates to working hours. In 1999,
according to figures from the OECD, the average American in employment worked
just under 2,000 hours a year (1,976). The average German worked 1,535 - 22
per cent less.
According to a recent American study, the average Frenchman works a
staggering 32 per cent less. The journalist Madeleine Bunting has recently
lamented that British workers are being pushed towards the American model,
but the British worker is still working 12 per cent less than his American
counterpart.
This gap between American and European working hours is of surprisingly
recent origin; 25 years ago, it didn't exist. Between 1979 and 1999, the
average US working year lengthened by 50 hours, nearly four per cent. But the
average German working year shrank by 12 per cent. The same was true
elsewhere in Europe.
How are we to explain this divergence? The obvious answer is European
legislation such as the French 35-hour week or the recent British reduction
of the hours worked by junior doctors. Another theory points to differences
in marginal rates of taxation. But I cannot resist suggesting another
possible explanation - one that owes a debt to Weber's famous essay The
Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, which he wrote almost
exactly a century ago.
Weber believed he had identified a link between the rise of Protestantism and
the development of what he called "the spirit of capitalism". I would like to
propose a modern version of Weber's theory, namely "The Atheist Sloth Ethic
and the Spirit of Collectivism".
The most remarkable thing about the transatlantic divergence in working
patterns is that it has coincided almost exactly with a comparable divergence
in religiosity. According to a 1999 Gallup survey of religious attitudes, 48
per cent of people living in western Europe almost never go to church; the
figure for eastern Europe is just a little lower at 44 per cent.
In the Netherlands, Britain, Germany, Sweden and Denmark, less than one in 10
of the population now attends church at least once a month. Only in Catholic
Italy and Ireland do more than a third of the population worship on a monthly
basis or more often.
By contrast, more than twice as many North Americans as Europeans attend
religious services once a week or more. And scarcely any Americans could be
characterised as atheists, compared with 15 per cent of Europeans.
The claim that Britons are the most Americanised of Europeans does not stand
up well in this regard. When it comes to religion, the British are west
Europeans, not eastern Americans. Fewer than a third of Britons surveyed in a
recent BBC poll agreed with the statement "My God is the only true god",
compared with half of Americans. Fewer than a fifth of Britons say they would
be willing to die for their beliefs, compared with 71 per cent of Americans.
I do not say that this is the sole explanation for the fact that London today
is lethargic while New York toils away as usual. But there is surely
something more than coincidental about the simultaneous rise of unbelief in
Europe and the decline of Weber's work ethic.
If I weren't on holiday, I'd write a book about it.
.

User: "Steve"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 13 Aug 2004 06:10:28 PM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:l0f583pwk7qq.dlg@alaska.local...
: The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
: By Niall Ferguson
: [Filed: 07/08/2004]
:
:
: In Europe, nothing happens in August. It is not, of course, that everyone
is
: on holiday. Many readers of this column will be among the unhappy few who
are
: still slogging in to work. But notice the half-empty commuter train, the
: uncannily smooth flow of traffic at rush hour.
:
: Notice, too, that virtually no serious decision can be taken in the office
: throughout this month, because there is always at least one key executive
on
: holiday. London in August is lethargic. On close inspection, a large
: proportion of the people in the city are, in fact, foreign tourists.
:
: The impact of high summer on other European cities is even more dramatic.
: From Bastille Day, Paris is a Parisian-free zone. With the beginning of
the
: Edinburgh Festival, most residents take to the hills, leaving their city
to
: be occupied by a ragtag army of amateur actors.
:
: Yet the same cannot be said of New York. Having just returned from what
: apparently remains the terrorists' favourite target, I can confirm that,
: despite the sweltering heat and multiplying mosquitoes, it is still
business
: as usual in Manhattan. Only a select few of its inhabitants take
themselves
: off to Martha's Vineyard; even among the super-rich, there is a preference
: for the Hamptons, which are within easier striking distance of their
beloved
: workplaces.
:
: Everyone knows that Americans have much shorter holidays than Europeans.
: While German, Italian and French workers enjoy, on average, more than 40
days
: of holiday a year, the average American has to make do with just two
weeks.
: But this is only part of a growing transatlantic disparity in patterns of
: work.
:
: There are, for example, many more Europeans out of work than Americans;
over
: the past decade, US unemployment has averaged 4.6 per cent, compared with
9.2
: per cent for the EU. Another difference is in labour participation.
Between
: 1973 and 1998, the percentage of the American population in employment
rose
: from 41 to 49 per cent. But in Germany and France, the equivalent
percentage
: fell to, respectively, 44 and 39 per cent.
:
: Then there is the familiar European penchant for strikes. Between 1992 and
: 2001, the Spanish economy lost, on average, 271 days per thousand
employees
: as a result of industrial action. For Denmark, Italy, Finland, Ireland and
: France, the figures lay between 80 and 120. The figure for America was
just
: 50.
:
: Nor should we forget our friend the "sickie". It was reported in this
: newspaper yesterday that Royal Mail employees - one in every 17 of whom
calls
: in sick on an average day - are to be offered a novel incentive to turn up
: for work.
:
: From now on, those Stakhanovite types who turn up to all their shifts for
six
: months will be entered in a draw to win a new Ford Focus. In America, they
: have a rather different approach. Workers who consistently miss work
because
: they are feeling under the weather are given the chance to miss it on a
: permanent basis - by being fired.
:
: Of course, people who go on strike or absent themselves because of illness
: usually return to work at some point. But that is not true of people who
: retire. Here, too, Europeans are working less than Americans. By 2050,
: according to UN population projections, the proportion of the European
: population aged 65 or over will rise from 16 to 28 per cent. America is
: ageing, too, but nothing like as fast.
:
: But perhaps the most striking of all the differences between American and
: European working patterns, however, relates to working hours. In 1999,
: according to figures from the OECD, the average American in employment
worked
: just under 2,000 hours a year (1,976). The average German worked 1,535 -
22
: per cent less.
:
: According to a recent American study, the average Frenchman works a
: staggering 32 per cent less. The journalist Madeleine Bunting has recently
: lamented that British workers are being pushed towards the American model,
: but the British worker is still working 12 per cent less than his American
: counterpart.
:
: This gap between American and European working hours is of surprisingly
: recent origin; 25 years ago, it didn't exist. Between 1979 and 1999, the
: average US working year lengthened by 50 hours, nearly four per cent. But
the
: average German working year shrank by 12 per cent. The same was true
: elsewhere in Europe.
:
: How are we to explain this divergence? The obvious answer is European
: legislation such as the French 35-hour week or the recent British
reduction
: of the hours worked by junior doctors. Another theory points to
differences
: in marginal rates of taxation. But I cannot resist suggesting another
: possible explanation - one that owes a debt to Weber's famous essay The
: Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, which he wrote almost
: exactly a century ago.
:
: Weber believed he had identified a link between the rise of Protestantism
and
: the development of what he called "the spirit of capitalism". I would like
to
: propose a modern version of Weber's theory, namely "The Atheist Sloth
Ethic
: and the Spirit of Collectivism".
:
: The most remarkable thing about the transatlantic divergence in working
: patterns is that it has coincided almost exactly with a comparable
divergence
: in religiosity. According to a 1999 Gallup survey of religious attitudes,
48
: per cent of people living in western Europe almost never go to church; the
: figure for eastern Europe is just a little lower at 44 per cent.
:
: In the Netherlands, Britain, Germany, Sweden and Denmark, less than one in
10
: of the population now attends church at least once a month. Only in
Catholic
: Italy and Ireland do more than a third of the population worship on a
monthly
: basis or more often.
:
: By contrast, more than twice as many North Americans as Europeans attend
: religious services once a week or more. And scarcely any Americans could
be
: characterised as atheists, compared with 15 per cent of Europeans.
:
: The claim that Britons are the most Americanised of Europeans does not
stand
: up well in this regard. When it comes to religion, the British are west
: Europeans, not eastern Americans. Fewer than a third of Britons surveyed
in a
: recent BBC poll agreed with the statement "My God is the only true god",
: compared with half of Americans. Fewer than a fifth of Britons say they
would
: be willing to die for their beliefs, compared with 71 per cent of
Americans.
:
: I do not say that this is the sole explanation for the fact that London
today
: is lethargic while New York toils away as usual. But there is surely
: something more than coincidental about the simultaneous rise of unbelief
in
: Europe and the decline of Weber's work ethic.
:
: If I weren't on holiday, I'd write a book about it.
I would hardly call Australia a "fundy" country and it appears to me we are
far more secular that the US.
So i wounder what is going on here please see quote.
"Australia has the second longest working hours in the developed world, only
shorter than the working hours of South Koreans. On top of this, Australia
has the fastest growing working hours in the OECD. [ACTU 2002]"
bbbzzzzzzzzzzzztttttttt - guess the religousity theory has one great big
hole in it.
Steve
.

User: "kathryn"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 13 Aug 2004 04:46:33 PM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:l0f583pwk7qq.dlg@alaska.local...

The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]


In Europe, nothing happens in August. It is not, of course, that everyone

is

on holiday. Many readers of this column will be among the unhappy few who

are

still slogging in to work. But notice the half-empty commuter train, the
uncannily smooth flow of traffic at rush hour.

in religiosity. According to a 1999 Gallup survey of religious

attitudes, 48

per cent of people living in western Europe almost never go to church; the
figure for eastern Europe is just a little lower at 44 per cent.

Hmmm might have something to do with most people taking their summer
holidays in August when the children are off school, although having just
come back from London where I can confirm that depsite the soaring
temperatures the underground was still packed solid at the appropriate rush
hour I can only assume you're talking *****.
.

User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 13 Aug 2004 09:18:44 PM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]

The fool justifies his enslavement.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "David K. Lewis"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 13 Aug 2004 02:04:03 PM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:


Weber believed he had identified a link between the rise of Protestantism and
the development of what he called "the spirit of capitalism". I would like to
propose a modern version of Weber's theory, namely "The Atheist Sloth Ethic
and the Spirit of Collectivism".

You can believe what you like, but you haven't shown causality,
so its really moot. If I notice that when the airplane
"turbulance" light comes on its followed shortly by turbulance,
I would be wrong to draw the conclusion that the light caused
the turbulance.
Noticing 2 sets of statistics that seem to rise of fall together
or rise when the other falls isn't enough, you have to show
causality. For all you know, they are unrealted or in fact
the opposite of your theory may be true (more stress or pressure
causes more to turn to religion for relief).
The point is, noticing that 2 sets of statistices seem directly
or inversly related is one thing, showing causalith is another
(turbulance). But you may be right, religions (even if all of
them are untrue) have loooong been a tool for motivating the
masses....
As always any opinions I may have written above are mine and mine alone.
Dave.
.

User: "maff"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 14 Aug 2004 12:46:16 PM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<l0f583pwk7qq.dlg@alaska.local>...

The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]

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User: "Jane Lumley"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 17 Aug 2004 11:17:43 AM
In article <18510aff.0408140946.65e183a0@posting.google.com>, maff
<maff91@yahoo.com> writes

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<l0f583pwk7qq.dlg@alaska.local

...
The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]

Ferguson is a PROFESSIONAL troll - he gets paid to say Outrageous
Things. He's hoping that doing so will get him invited to Prince
Charles's dinner parties. Don't feed the trolls, amateur or pro.
--
Jane Lumley
.


User: "Ian Braidwood"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 14 Aug 2004 03:20:22 AM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<l0f583pwk7qq.dlg@alaska.local>...

The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]
<SNIP!>

Love the punchline, you had me going.
From a very hot and hectic London,
(-: Ian :-)
.

User: "commutator"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 13 Aug 2004 06:23:31 PM
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<l0f583pwk7qq.dlg@alaska.local>...

The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]

This post is some good, long reaching. Not only do you ignore the
difference in cause and correlation but you ignore the host of other
socio-economic factors that exist. Here's an alternative argument,
the west likes money more and businesses are more free to pursue it
(greedier). Or another, Europeans realize that slaving away at work
is a crappy way to spend the one life they get. When you've actually
researched your argument come back and re-post, until than see ya....


In Europe, nothing happens in August. It is not, of course, that everyone is
on holiday. Many readers of this column will be among the unhappy few who are
still slogging in to work. But notice the half-empty commuter train, the
uncannily smooth flow of traffic at rush hour.

Notice, too, that virtually no serious decision can be taken in the office
throughout this month, because there is always at least one key executive on
holiday. London in August is lethargic. On close inspection, a large
proportion of the people in the city are, in fact, foreign tourists.

The impact of high summer on other European cities is even more dramatic.
From Bastille Day, Paris is a Parisian-free zone. With the beginning of the
Edinburgh Festival, most residents take to the hills, leaving their city to
be occupied by a ragtag army of amateur actors.

Yet the same cannot be said of New York. Having just returned from what
apparently remains the terrorists' favourite target, I can confirm that,
despite the sweltering heat and multiplying mosquitoes, it is still business
as usual in Manhattan. Only a select few of its inhabitants take themselves
off to Martha's Vineyard; even among the super-rich, there is a preference
for the Hamptons, which are within easier striking distance of their beloved
workplaces.

Everyone knows that Americans have much shorter holidays than Europeans.
While German, Italian and French workers enjoy, on average, more than 40 days
of holiday a year, the average American has to make do with just two weeks.
But this is only part of a growing transatlantic disparity in patterns of
work.

There are, for example, many more Europeans out of work than Americans; over
the past decade, US unemployment has averaged 4.6 per cent, compared with 9.2
per cent for the EU. Another difference is in labour participation. Between
1973 and 1998, the percentage of the American population in employment rose
from 41 to 49 per cent. But in Germany and France, the equivalent percentage
fell to, respectively, 44 and 39 per cent.

Then there is the familiar European penchant for strikes. Between 1992 and
2001, the Spanish economy lost, on average, 271 days per thousand employees
as a result of industrial action. For Denmark, Italy, Finland, Ireland and
France, the figures lay between 80 and 120. The figure for America was just
50.

Nor should we forget our friend the "sickie". It was reported in this
newspaper yesterday that Royal Mail employees - one in every 17 of whom calls
in sick on an average day - are to be offered a novel incentive to turn up
for work.

From now on, those Stakhanovite types who turn up to all their shifts for six
months will be entered in a draw to win a new Ford Focus. In America, they
have a rather different approach. Workers who consistently miss work because
they are feeling under the weather are given the chance to miss it on a
permanent basis - by being fired.

Of course, people who go on strike or absent themselves because of illness
usually return to work at some point. But that is not true of people who
retire. Here, too, Europeans are working less than Americans. By 2050,
according to UN population projections, the proportion of the European
population aged 65 or over will rise from 16 to 28 per cent. America is
ageing, too, but nothing like as fast.

But perhaps the most striking of all the differences between American and
European working patterns, however, relates to working hours. In 1999,
according to figures from the OECD, the average American in employment worked
just under 2,000 hours a year (1,976). The average German worked 1,535 - 22
per cent less.

According to a recent American study, the average Frenchman works a
staggering 32 per cent less. The journalist Madeleine Bunting has recently
lamented that British workers are being pushed towards the American model,
but the British worker is still working 12 per cent less than his American
counterpart.

This gap between American and European working hours is of surprisingly
recent origin; 25 years ago, it didn't exist. Between 1979 and 1999, the
average US working year lengthened by 50 hours, nearly four per cent. But the
average German working year shrank by 12 per cent. The same was true
elsewhere in Europe.

How are we to explain this divergence? The obvious answer is European
legislation such as the French 35-hour week or the recent British reduction
of the hours worked by junior doctors. Another theory points to differences
in marginal rates of taxation. But I cannot resist suggesting another
possible explanation - one that owes a debt to Weber's famous essay The
Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, which he wrote almost
exactly a century ago.

Weber believed he had identified a link between the rise of Protestantism and
the development of what he called "the spirit of capitalism". I would like to
propose a modern version of Weber's theory, namely "The Atheist Sloth Ethic
and the Spirit of Collectivism".

The most remarkable thing about the transatlantic divergence in working
patterns is that it has coincided almost exactly with a comparable divergence
in religiosity. According to a 1999 Gallup survey of religious attitudes, 48
per cent of people living in western Europe almost never go to church; the
figure for eastern Europe is just a little lower at 44 per cent.

In the Netherlands, Britain, Germany, Sweden and Denmark, less than one in 10
of the population now attends church at least once a month. Only in Catholic
Italy and Ireland do more than a third of the population worship on a monthly
basis or more often.

By contrast, more than twice as many North Americans as Europeans attend
religious services once a week or more. And scarcely any Americans could be
characterised as atheists, compared with 15 per cent of Europeans.

The claim that Britons are the most Americanised of Europeans does not stand
up well in this regard. When it comes to religion, the British are west
Europeans, not eastern Americans. Fewer than a third of Britons surveyed in a
recent BBC poll agreed with the statement "My God is the only true god",
compared with half of Americans. Fewer than a fifth of Britons say they would
be willing to die for their beliefs, compared with 71 per cent of Americans.

I do not say that this is the sole explanation for the fact that London today
is lethargic while New York toils away as usual. But there is surely
something more than coincidental about the simultaneous rise of unbelief in
Europe and the decline of Weber's work ethic.

If I weren't on holiday, I'd write a book about it.

.

User: "Sean C"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 13 Aug 2004 04:07:22 PM
In article <l0f583pwk7qq.dlg@alaska.local>, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
wrote:

The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]
Weber believed he had identified a link between the rise of Protestantism and
the development of what he called "the spirit of capitalism". I would like to
propose a modern version of Weber's theory, namely "The Atheist Sloth Ethic
and the Spirit of Collectivism".

I think it's the "I Refuse to be a Fucking Slave Ethic," vs "My
Preacher and Fox News Tell Me that Dem Unions and Such Er a Buncha
Commies Ethic" we have going in the US.
Sean C
.
User: "bulba"

Title: Re: The atheist sloth ethic 16 Aug 2004 04:54:19 AM
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:07:22 -0400, Sean C
<redhawk@burnspammersalive.hvc.rr.com> wrote:

The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work
By Niall Ferguson
[Filed: 07/08/2004]


Weber believed he had identified a link between the rise of Protestantism and
the development of what he called "the spirit of capitalism". I would like to
propose a modern version of Weber's theory, namely "The Atheist Sloth Ethic
and the Spirit of Collectivism".


I think it's the "I Refuse to be a Fucking Slave Ethic," vs "My
Preacher and Fox News Tell Me that Dem Unions and Such Er a Buncha
Commies Ethic" we have going in the US.

More like the govts tax so much in Europe that it makes no
sense to work above some minimum no of hrs.
Of course, we work so we could live and not live so we
could work: but this is how people get their goals
in life realized and stats are clear and whether
it is atheism or whatever else behind it isn't really
important.
--
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
.



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