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User: "Gactimus"
Date: 04 Sep 2004 06:25:24 PM
Object: The Bush Bounce
Already two polls are out showing the President with an eleven point lead
over John Kerry. However in one poll, the entire sample consisted of likely
voters who had not yet seen the President's acceptance speech. In the other
poll, the sample taken after the President's speech showed a 16 point lead.
So, as you can see, the President has beaten all expectations. So much for
that 50-50 electorate. Tomorrow or Monday should be the big news - Gallup
begins its daily tracking until Election Day. If it confirms that the
President has a double-digit lead, then you can expect the left to lose any
remaining grip on reality.
Why? Because if the President is ahead by 11-16 points, then he is leading
in every single battleground state and is probably ahead in California as
well. (It would be impossible for the President to enjoy such a national
lead without also leading in California.) Kerry would probably fire his
entire staff, since only they make mistakes, not him. While things may
tighten a bit heading into the debate season, expectations will be even
higher on Kerry to close the gap. The Massachusetts liberal has a habit of
failing to meet them.
.

User: "Roy Blankenship"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 12:08:50 AM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:m7gamhlg23ht.dlg@alaska.local...

Already two polls are out showing the President with an eleven point lead
over John Kerry. However in one poll, the entire sample consisted of

likely

voters who had not yet seen the President's acceptance speech. In the

other

poll, the sample taken after the President's speech showed a 16 point

lead.

So, as you can see, the President has beaten all expectations. So much for
that 50-50 electorate. Tomorrow or Monday should be the big news - Gallup
begins its daily tracking until Election Day. If it confirms that the
President has a double-digit lead, then you can expect the left to lose

any

remaining grip on reality.

Why? Because if the President is ahead by 11-16 points, then he is leading
in every single battleground state and is probably ahead in California as
well. (It would be impossible for the President to enjoy such a national
lead without also leading in California.) Kerry would probably fire his
entire staff, since only they make mistakes, not him. While things may
tighten a bit heading into the debate season, expectations will be even
higher on Kerry to close the gap. The Massachusetts liberal has a habit of
failing to meet them.

Where do you get this *****? Who feeds it to you? You can't be making it
up. You start WAY too many threads, then on most, you disappear after you
have started your little lie. Are you a paid shill? Or just an ***** who
likes to spread half-truths?
.

User: "Osprey"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 04 Sep 2004 06:38:43 PM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:m7gamhlg23ht.dlg@alaska.local...

Already two polls are out showing the President with an eleven point lead
over John Kerry. However in one poll, the entire sample consisted of
likely
voters who had not yet seen the President's acceptance speech. In the
other
poll, the sample taken after the President's speech showed a 16 point
lead.
So, as you can see, the President has beaten all expectations. So much for
that 50-50 electorate. Tomorrow or Monday should be the big news - Gallup
begins its daily tracking until Election Day. If it confirms that the
President has a double-digit lead, then you can expect the left to lose
any
remaining grip on reality.

Why? Because if the President is ahead by 11-16 points, then he is leading
in every single battleground state and is probably ahead in California as
well. (It would be impossible for the President to enjoy such a national
lead without also leading in California.) Kerry would probably fire his
entire staff, since only they make mistakes, not him. While things may
tighten a bit heading into the debate season, expectations will be even
higher on Kerry to close the gap. The Massachusetts liberal has a habit of
failing to meet them.

What a lot of these liberals are doing is living day by day with the polls,
not remembing history or studying it for that matter.
Not too long ago, liberal democrats proudly predicted Walter Mondale to win,
after all...he was leading by double digits and guess what happened?
.
User: "somewriter"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 04 Sep 2004 07:56:28 PM
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:38:43 -0400, "Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
[...]

What a lot of these liberals are doing is living day by day with the polls,

As a moderate, my main concern is ensuring, somehow, that my vote is
counted.
.


User: "Shawn Hearn"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 09:39:56 AM
In article <m7gamhlg23ht.dlg@alaska.local>, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net>
wrote:

Already two polls are out showing the President with an eleven point lead
over John Kerry. However in one poll, the entire sample consisted of likely
voters who had not yet seen the President's acceptance speech. In the other
poll, the sample taken after the President's speech showed a 16 point lead.
So, as you can see, the President has beaten all expectations. So much for
that 50-50 electorate. Tomorrow or Monday should be the big news - Gallup
begins its daily tracking until Election Day. If it confirms that the
President has a double-digit lead, then you can expect the left to lose any
remaining grip on reality.

Why? Because if the President is ahead by 11-16 points, then he is leading
in every single battleground state and is probably ahead in California as
well. (It would be impossible for the President to enjoy such a national
lead without also leading in California.) Kerry would probably fire his
entire staff, since only they make mistakes, not him. While things may
tighten a bit heading into the debate season, expectations will be even
higher on Kerry to close the gap. The Massachusetts liberal has a habit of
failing to meet them.

No a surprise. This happens after most political conventions.
.

User: "Billy"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 04 Sep 2004 09:01:15 PM
Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.
We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set to
raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for 2004.
Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians, but because
of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.
Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the White House.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002026208_medicare04.html
.
User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 09:29:48 AM
"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:Lru_c.7662$w%6.4309@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set to
raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for 2004.
Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians, but because
of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.

Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the White House.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002026208_medicare04.html

Maybe if you didn't have ambulance chasers like John Edwards bringing
bogus lawsuits to doctors you wouldn't have this problem.
.
User: "Billy"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 12:44:54 PM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:xH1QMT1kEHA.1116@prospero.stardock.local...

"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:Lru_c.7662$w%6.4309@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set

to

raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for

2004.

Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians, but

because

of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.

Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the White

House.



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002026208_medicare04.html


Maybe if you didn't have ambulance chasers like John Edwards bringing
bogus lawsuits to doctors you wouldn't have this problem.

Do you think that all the false claims and fraud committed against the
programs might also contribute to this cost? Or the cost of purchasing
the over-priced supplies and equipment, not to mention the salaries of
overpaid administrative and management personnel?
How about your Swiftie buddy, John O'Neill? What type of work does he
do?
.
User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 02:29:40 PM
"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:xH1QMT1kEHA.1116@prospero.stardock.local...

"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:Lru_c.7662$w%6.4309@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set
to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for
2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.

Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the White
House.


Maybe if you didn't have ambulance chasers like John Edwards bringing
bogus lawsuits to doctors you wouldn't have this problem.


Do you think that all the false claims and fraud committed against the
programs might also contribute to this cost? Or the cost of purchasing
the over-priced supplies and equipment, not to mention the salaries of
overpaid administrative and management personnel?

High costs due to having to pay settlements to ambulance chasers like John
Edwards.
.
User: "Billy"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 03:01:35 PM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:xH1QMT1kEHA.1116@prospero.stardock.local...

"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:Lru_c.7662$w%6.4309@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are

set

to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise

for

2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now

blocked.

Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as

we

enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.

Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the White
House.


Maybe if you didn't have ambulance chasers like John Edwards

bringing

bogus lawsuits to doctors you wouldn't have this problem.


Do you think that all the false claims and fraud committed against

the

programs might also contribute to this cost? Or the cost of

purchasing

the over-priced supplies and equipment, not to mention the salaries

of

overpaid administrative and management personnel?


High costs due to having to pay settlements to ambulance chasers like

John

Edwards.

That certainly answered the questions I raised, NOT.
You never did answer another posters question, are you a paid shill or
just a fanatic?
Why did you snip the part about O'Neill?
Is it ok to be a trial lawyer if you are a Republican?
O'Neill claimed to have donated more to the Dems than Reps, but no
records could back up that claim. He lies almost as much as you do.
.
User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 03:11:07 PM
"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:xH1QMT1kEHA.1116@prospero.stardock.local...

"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:Lru_c.7662$w%6.4309@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set
to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise
for 2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to
physicians, but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is
now blocked. Many senior advocates are upset because this news was
released as we enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other
hot news.

Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the White
House.


Maybe if you didn't have ambulance chasers like John Edwards
bringing bogus lawsuits to doctors you wouldn't have this problem.


Do you think that all the false claims and fraud committed against
the programs might also contribute to this cost? Or the cost of
purchasing the over-priced supplies and equipment, not to mention the
salaries of overpaid administrative and management personnel?


High costs due to having to pay settlements to ambulance chasers like
John Edwards.


That certainly answered the questions I raised, NOT.
You never did answer another posters question, are you a paid shill or
just a fanatic?
Why did you snip the part about O'Neill?

O'Neill has nothing to do with medicare premiums.

Is it ok to be a trial lawyer if you are a Republican?

Edwards is a shady personal injury lawyer. O'Neill has nothing to do with
the medical industry.

O'Neill claimed to have donated more to the Dems than Reps, but no
records could back up that claim. He lies almost as much as you do.

What the hell does O'Neill have to do with John Edwards or medicare
premiums?!?
.
User: "Billy"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 04:27:22 PM
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:YEaTw63kEHA.444@prospero.stardock.local...

"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:qgI_c.8139$w%6.7771@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:xH1QMT1kEHA.1116@prospero.stardock.local...

"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:Lru_c.7662$w%6.4309@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are

set

to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5%

raise

for 2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to
physicians, but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul,

this is

now blocked. Many senior advocates are upset because this news

was

released as we enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with

other

hot news.

Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the

White

House.


Maybe if you didn't have ambulance chasers like John Edwards
bringing bogus lawsuits to doctors you wouldn't have this

problem.


Do you think that all the false claims and fraud committed

against

the programs might also contribute to this cost? Or the cost of
purchasing the over-priced supplies and equipment, not to mention

the

salaries of overpaid administrative and management personnel?


High costs due to having to pay settlements to ambulance chasers

like

John Edwards.


That certainly answered the questions I raised, NOT.
You never did answer another posters question, are you a paid shill

or

just a fanatic?
Why did you snip the part about O'Neill?


O'Neill has nothing to do with medicare premiums.

Is it ok to be a trial lawyer if you are a Republican?


Edwards is a shady personal injury lawyer. O'Neill has nothing to do

with

the medical industry.

Prove Edwards is shady. O'Neill stated he would have voted for Edwards
because he has a very good reputation amongst lawyers.
Would you prefer that there is no means of redress against those few
doctors who truely are inept?

O'Neill claimed to have donated more to the Dems than Reps, but no
records could back up that claim. He lies almost as much as you do.


What the hell does O'Neill have to do with John Edwards or medicare
premiums?!?

Perhaps nothing, but one can no longer access their web site. Or perhaps
just none that have cookies from sites that prove that O'Neill is full
of crap (just as you are). I would be curious to see what type of lawyer
he is, other than an opportunist that tried to start a political career
by deriding Kerry. The Republicans used him and spit him out, because
they knew he was an idiot. Now he is of slight value again.
Again why did you snip this line?
You never did answer another posters question, are you a paid shill or
just a fanatic?
.

User: "Billy"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 04:29:36 PM
This one was also not answered.

2) Zell Miller -- esteemed Democrat Senator representing the

great

state of Georgia


His speech last night sounded like one of your posts, Gacky. One

of

the ones we thoroughly debunked about 1100 posts upthread.


You're delusional again.


To call Zell Miller an esteemed Senator is a great stretch. He is no
longer a Democrat,


Sure he is. Why wouldn't he be? Because he's nonpartisan during a time

of

war?

he is an opportunist,


An opportunist? That's a riot considering he's retiring from public

office

after his term is over.

Hmm, and who do you think controls Congress? So if you were a Rep. or
Dem. who has seen the light, you might make some pretty good money as a
lobbyist, especially since you were a former Senator and have a lot of
new friends. Principles gone for a paycheck, sad, but not the first time
this has happened.
If the party was radically changing and he was upset about it, why did
we not hear his voice of reasoning earlier?
Oh wait we did, when he was giving such high praise of Kerry 4 years
ago, or was that when he delivered the key speech for Clintons platform?
Opportunist, that will receive a minor stipend and then be thrown out
with the rest of the trash. The Rep. surely won't trust him for long.
.




User: "BOB"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 01:02:49 PM
"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in news:qgI_c.8139$w%6.7771
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:


"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:xH1QMT1kEHA.1116@prospero.stardock.local...

"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:Lru_c.7662$w%6.4309@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set
to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for
2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.

Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the White
House.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002026208_medicare04.html


Maybe if you didn't have ambulance chasers like John Edwards bringing
bogus lawsuits to doctors you wouldn't have this problem.


Do you think that all the false claims and fraud committed against the
programs might also contribute to this cost? Or the cost of purchasing
the over-priced supplies and equipment, not to mention the salaries of
overpaid administrative and management personnel?

How about your Swiftie buddy, John O'Neill? What type of work does he
do?

Most certainly something in the fiction or fantasy business.


.


User: ""

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 10:36:15 PM
This isn't about lawsuits. Nor is it about
your doctor.
This is about absolving companies from
producing defective and dangerous goods.
The government wants to cap the size
of settlements. This might be $200,000.
Lets say you are injured or killed by a defective
product. Jurys will NOT be able to award ANY
settlement larger than $200,000.
Think about it, your wife, husband or child is
seriously injured (loses a limb or is killed)
as the result of a defective product
(or the negligence of a property owner)
does $200,000 really seem like a fair settlement??
This is also about the investment loses suffered
by the insurance companies.
These are the same loses YOU suffered
when the dot.com's went dot.bust!
How has your 401(k) faired??
At least the insurers get to increase their
premiums to make up the difference.
Gactimus wrote:

"Billy" <Noone@home.spamnet> wrote in
news:Lru_c.7662$w%6.4309@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:


Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set to
raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for 2004.
Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians, but because
of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.

Grandma and Grandpa may now very well kick Bush out of the White House.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2002026208_medicare04.html


Maybe if you didn't have ambulance chasers like John Edwards bringing
bogus lawsuits to doctors you wouldn't have this problem.

.
User: "Gactimus"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 06 Sep 2004 05:04:45 PM
"q@q.com" <q@q.com> wrote in news:413BDB05.50202@q.com:

This isn't about lawsuits. Nor is it about
your doctor.
This is about absolving companies from
producing defective and dangerous goods.
The government wants to cap the size
of settlements. This might be $200,000.

Lets say you are injured or killed by a defective
product. Jurys will NOT be able to award ANY
settlement larger than $200,000.
Think about it, your wife, husband or child is
seriously injured (loses a limb or is killed)
as the result of a defective product
(or the negligence of a property owner)
does $200,000 really seem like a fair settlement??


This is also about the investment loses suffered
by the insurance companies.
These are the same loses YOU suffered
when the dot.com's went dot.bust!
How has your 401(k) faired??
At least the insurers get to increase their
premiums to make up the difference.

Maybe the lawyers should have thought about that before suing for exhorbant
amounts of money. Thanks to them, now we all have to pay.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 07 Sep 2004 09:26:56 AM
Lawyers may sue for $X.
But that does NOT mean the settlement is $X.
Maybe corporate execs should think about the consequences
of selling defective products.
Thanks to corporate execs, we all have to pay!!
Gactimus wrote:

"q@q.com" <q@q.com> wrote in news:413BDB05.50202@q.com:


This isn't about lawsuits. Nor is it about
your doctor.
This is about absolving companies from
producing defective and dangerous goods.
The government wants to cap the size
of settlements. This might be $200,000.

Lets say you are injured or killed by a defective
product. Jurys will NOT be able to award ANY
settlement larger than $200,000.
Think about it, your wife, husband or child is
seriously injured (loses a limb or is killed)
as the result of a defective product
(or the negligence of a property owner)
does $200,000 really seem like a fair settlement??


This is also about the investment loses suffered
by the insurance companies.
These are the same loses YOU suffered
when the dot.com's went dot.bust!
How has your 401(k) faired??
At least the insurers get to increase their
premiums to make up the difference.


Maybe the lawyers should have thought about that before suing for exhorbant
amounts of money. Thanks to them, now we all have to pay.

.


User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 06 Sep 2004 01:55:46 AM
<
> wrote:

This isn't about lawsuits. Nor is it about
your doctor.
This is about absolving companies from
producing defective and dangerous goods.
The government wants to cap the size
of settlements. This might be $200,000.

Lets say you are injured or killed by a defective
product. Jurys will NOT be able to award ANY
settlement larger than $200,000.
Think about it, your wife, husband or child is
seriously injured (loses a limb or is killed)
as the result of a defective product
(or the negligence of a property owner)
does $200,000 really seem like a fair settlement??

Lessee, if the primary wage earner is permanently disabled, then
that's, say, 20 years of lost income. $80,000 per year means,
a couple million dollars with inflation.
But if the republicans say that $200,000 is enough then the kids
will have to do without a college education and the family will have
to live in poverty.
All because some corporate execs decided that profits were more
important than people.
It's the republican way.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.



User: "Diogenes"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 04 Sep 2004 09:30:14 PM
Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set to
raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for
2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.

That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase (to $78). That's way
less than anyone else's increase in Medical Insurance. The only place it's "a
big deal" is in the media and AARP.
.
User: "Billy"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 04 Sep 2004 09:45:06 PM
"Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr> wrote in message
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Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set

to

raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for
2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.


That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase (to $78).

That's way

less than anyone else's increase in Medical Insurance. The only place

it's "a

big deal" is in the media and AARP.

To you or I it may seem to be inexpensive. Don't forget that is only 1/4
of the payment, our tax dollars pay the other 3/4. The seniors also need
to make their co-payments and up to the annual limits. On a lot of their
incomes, it is expensive.
.
User: "relic"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 04 Sep 2004 09:53:14 PM
Billy wrote:

"Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr> wrote in message
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Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set
to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for
2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.


That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase (to $78).
That's way less than anyone else's increase in Medical Insurance.
The only place it's "a big deal" is in the media and AARP.

To you or I it may seem to be inexpensive. Don't forget that is only
1/4 of the payment, our tax dollars pay the other 3/4. The seniors
also need to make their co-payments and up to the annual limits. On a
lot of their incomes, it is expensive.

I pay it. It is _cheap_ like he said. The deductibles can be covered by many
alternate PPO or HMO programs, or by buying more than Part A & B coverage.
When I worked, I paid a lot more for a lot less coverage. Of course, I didn't
have a government job so I had to co-pay for my insurance... just like now.
Anyone was able to buy cheap insurance before Johnson pushed through Medicare
and the Trial Lawyers took everything they could 'create' to court. That's
why you should vote Republican; they don't support a Welfare State, nor Trial
Lawyers.
.
User: "Billy"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 04 Sep 2004 11:04:34 PM
"relic" <nospam@relic211.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:ucv_c.30559$Qa4.28175@twister.socal.rr.com...

Billy wrote:

"Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr> wrote in message
news:ZSu_c.146693$JG7.14936@hydra.nntpserver.com...

Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are

set

to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise

for

2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now

blocked.

Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as

we

enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.


That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase (to $78).
That's way less than anyone else's increase in Medical Insurance.
The only place it's "a big deal" is in the media and AARP.

To you or I it may seem to be inexpensive. Don't forget that is only
1/4 of the payment, our tax dollars pay the other 3/4. The seniors
also need to make their co-payments and up to the annual limits. On

a

lot of their incomes, it is expensive.


I pay it. It is _cheap_ like he said. The deductibles can be covered

by many

alternate PPO or HMO programs, or by buying more than Part A & B

coverage.

When I worked, I paid a lot more for a lot less coverage. Of course,

I didn't

have a government job so I had to co-pay for my insurance... just like

now.


Anyone was able to buy cheap insurance before Johnson pushed through

Medicare

and the Trial Lawyers took everything they could 'create' to court.

That's

why you should vote Republican; they don't support a Welfare State,

nor Trial

Lawyers.

Republican Drug program 645 billion plus.
Insurance company support, what has happened with your homeowners
insurance for the last two years?
I think I would rather follow the Welfare reform bills that pushed work,
rather than support an administration that supports Wealthy Welfare.
.
User: "Nam Southern"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 10:09:08 AM
Billy wrote:

"relic" <nospam@relic211.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:ucv_c.30559$Qa4.28175@twister.socal.rr.com...

Billy wrote:

"Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr> wrote in
message
news:ZSu_c.146693$JG7.14936@hydra.nntpserver.com...

Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare
premiums are

set

to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the
13.5% raise

for

2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments
to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this
is now

blocked.

Many senior advocates are upset because this news was
released as

we

enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other
hot news.


That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase
(to $78).
That's way less than anyone else's increase in Medical
Insurance.
The only place it's "a big deal" is in the
media and AARP.

To you or I it may seem to be inexpensive. Don't forget that
is only
1/4 of the payment, our tax dollars pay the other 3/4. The
seniors
also need to make their co-payments and up to the annual
limits. On

a

lot of their incomes, it is expensive.


I pay it. It is _cheap_ like he said. The deductibles can be
covered

by many

alternate PPO or HMO programs, or by buying more than Part A &
B

coverage.

When I worked, I paid a lot more for a lot less coverage. Of
course,

I didn't

have a government job so I had to co-pay for my insurance... just
like

now.


Anyone was able to buy cheap insurance before Johnson pushed
through

Medicare

and the Trial Lawyers took everything they could 'create' to
court.

That's

why you should vote Republican; they don't support a Welfare
State,

nor Trial

Lawyers.

Republican Drug program 645 billion plus.

Insurance company support, what has happened with your homeowners
insurance for the last two years?
I think I would rather follow the Welfare reform bills that pushed
work,
rather than support an administration that supports Wealthy Welfare.

Are you trying to say that you are a failure, that you cannot afford
Insurance or Prescriptions? What have you done with yourself, waited for
the Government to "redistribute the wealth" so you can afford things? Or
do you even want them handed to you?
Anyone who tries can afford those things! Go get a job and quit riding
the Democratic Welfare Wagon.
.
User: "Billy"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 12:39:10 PM
"Nam Southern" <45153@newlifeministriesireland.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1094396948.59414@trolling.com...

Billy wrote:

"relic" <nospam@relic211.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:ucv_c.30559$Qa4.28175@twister.socal.rr.com...

Billy wrote:

"Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr> wrote in
message
news:ZSu_c.146693$JG7.14936@hydra.nntpserver.com...

Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare
premiums are

set

to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the
13.5% raise

for

2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments
to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this
is now

blocked.

Many senior advocates are upset because this news was
released as

we

enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other
hot news.


That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase
(to $78).
That's way less than anyone else's increase in Medical
Insurance.
The only place it's "a big deal" is in the
media and AARP.

To you or I it may seem to be inexpensive. Don't forget that
is only
1/4 of the payment, our tax dollars pay the other 3/4. The
seniors
also need to make their co-payments and up to the annual
limits. On

a

lot of their incomes, it is expensive.


I pay it. It is _cheap_ like he said. The deductibles can be
covered

by many

alternate PPO or HMO programs, or by buying more than Part A &
B

coverage.

When I worked, I paid a lot more for a lot less coverage. Of
course,

I didn't

have a government job so I had to co-pay for my insurance... just
like

now.


Anyone was able to buy cheap insurance before Johnson pushed
through

Medicare

and the Trial Lawyers took everything they could 'create' to
court.

That's

why you should vote Republican; they don't support a Welfare
State,

nor Trial

Lawyers.

Republican Drug program 645 billion plus.

Insurance company support, what has happened with your homeowners
insurance for the last two years?
I think I would rather follow the Welfare reform bills that pushed
work,
rather than support an administration that supports Wealthy Welfare.



Are you trying to say that you are a failure, that you cannot afford
Insurance or Prescriptions? What have you done with yourself, waited

for

the Government to "redistribute the wealth" so you can afford things?

Or

do you even want them handed to you?

Anyone who tries can afford those things! Go get a job and quit

riding

the Democratic Welfare Wagon.

I guess that type of response would be expected from a fanatic (to
clarify this means you, bozo).
I am so sorry that Bush's no child left behind program did not receive
all it's funding. You seem to have a severe reading comprehension
problem. If you look, I clearly stated (to Relic) that "to you and I it
may seem inexpensive". Not everyone is as fortunate. You seem quite
content to redistribute the little wealth you have to the top 10%.
.



User: ""

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 12:07:10 AM
"relic" <nospam@relic211.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:ucv_c.30559$Qa4.28175@twister.socal.rr.com...

Billy wrote:

"Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr> wrote in message
news:ZSu_c.146693$JG7.14936@hydra.nntpserver.com...

Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare premiums are set
to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the 13.5% raise for
2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other hot news.


That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase (to $78).
That's way less than anyone else's increase in Medical Insurance.
The only place it's "a big deal" is in the media and AARP.

To you or I it may seem to be inexpensive. Don't forget that is only
1/4 of the payment, our tax dollars pay the other 3/4. The seniors
also need to make their co-payments and up to the annual limits. On a
lot of their incomes, it is expensive.


I pay it. It is _cheap_ like he said. The deductibles can be covered by

many

alternate PPO or HMO programs, or by buying more than Part A & B coverage.
When I worked, I paid a lot more for a lot less coverage. Of course, I

didn't

have a government job so I had to co-pay for my insurance... just like

now.


Anyone was able to buy cheap insurance before Johnson pushed through

Medicare

and the Trial Lawyers took everything they could 'create' to court.

That's

why you should vote Republican; they don't support a Welfare State, nor

Trial

Lawyers.

Huh. You might want to tell that to Republican Senators Lindsay Graham and
Orrin Hatch, both Trial Lawyers. But they, you've already got your boogie
man, and it's trial lawyers, why should you let the truth about expensive
health care (greedy pharamaceutical companies, utterly inefficient system,
for-profit managed care companies) intrude on your so simple explanation?
.
User: "Yueh Celis"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 10:01:38 AM
<dan@dan.com> wrote:

"relic" <nospam@relic211.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:ucv_c.30559$Qa4.28175@twister.socal.rr.com...

Billy wrote:

"Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr> wrote in
message
news:ZSu_c.146693$JG7.14936@hydra.nntpserver.com...

Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare
premiums are set
to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the
13.5% raise for
2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments
to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this
is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was
released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other
hot news.


That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase
(to $78).
That's way less than anyone else's increase in Medical
Insurance.
The only place it's "a big deal" is in the
media and AARP.

To you or I it may seem to be inexpensive. Don't forget that
is only
1/4 of the payment, our tax dollars pay the other 3/4. The
seniors
also need to make their co-payments and up to the annual
limits. On a
lot of their incomes, it is expensive.


I pay it. It is _cheap_ like he said. The deductibles can be
covered by

many

alternate PPO or HMO programs, or by buying more than Part A &
B coverage.
When I worked, I paid a lot more for a lot less coverage. Of
course, I

didn't

have a government job so I had to co-pay for my insurance... just
like

now.


Anyone was able to buy cheap insurance before Johnson pushed
through

Medicare

and the Trial Lawyers took everything they could 'create' to
court.

That's

why you should vote Republican; they don't support a Welfare
State, nor

Trial

Lawyers.

Huh. You might want to tell that to Republican Senators Lindsay Graham
and
Orrin Hatch, both Trial Lawyers. But they, you've already got your
boogie
man, and it's trial lawyers, why should you let the truth about
expensive
health care (greedy pharamaceutical companies, utterly inefficient
system,
for-profit managed care companies) intrude on your so simple
explanation?

Talk about "oh so simple explanation"! The sad thing is that you actually
believe what you wrote, don't you.
(Shakes Head in disbelief!)
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 09:32:35 PM
"Yueh Celis" <5246@bekkenes.net> wrote in message
news:1094396498.23194@trolling.com...

<dan@dan.com> wrote:

"relic" <nospam@relic211.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:ucv_c.30559$Qa4.28175@twister.socal.rr.com...

Billy wrote:

"Diogenes" <diogenes@sinope.gr> wrote in
message
news:ZSu_c.146693$JG7.14936@hydra.nntpserver.com...

Billy wrote:

Snip inaccurate information and faulty logic.

We may very well see a large bounce soon. Medicare
premiums are set
to raise another 17% for 2005. This is on top of the
13.5% raise for
2004. Costs were set to drop 4.5% in their payments
to physicians,
but because of the wonderful Medicare overhaul, this
is now blocked.
Many senior advocates are upset because this news was
released as we
enter a holiday weekend that is saturated with other
hot news.


That is cheap! It's will be about an $11/month increase
(to $78).
That's way less than anyone else's increase in Medical
Insurance.
The only place it's "a big deal" is in the
media and AARP.

To you or I it may seem to be inexpensive. Don't forget that
is only
1/4 of the payment, our tax dollars pay the other 3/4. The
seniors
also need to make their co-payments and up to the annual
limits. On a
lot of their incomes, it is expensive.


I pay it. It is _cheap_ like he said. The deductibles can be
covered by

many

alternate PPO or HMO programs, or by buying more than Part A &
B coverage.
When I worked, I paid a lot more for a lot less coverage. Of
course, I

didn't

have a government job so I had to co-pay for my insurance... just
like

now.


Anyone was able to buy cheap insurance before Johnson pushed
through

Medicare

and the Trial Lawyers took everything they could 'create' to
court.

That's

why you should vote Republican; they don't support a Welfare
State, nor

Trial

Lawyers.


Huh. You might want to tell that to Republican Senators Lindsay Graham
and
Orrin Hatch, both Trial Lawyers. But they, you've already got your
boogie
man, and it's trial lawyers, why should you let the truth about
expensive
health care (greedy pharamaceutical companies, utterly inefficient
system,
for-profit managed care companies) intrude on your so simple
explanation?


Talk about "oh so simple explanation"! The sad thing is that you actually
believe what you wrote, don't you.

(Shakes Head in disbelief!)

The right believes health care cost problems all stem from trial lawyers,
period. I suggested it was more complicated, and involved, among other
things, pharma companies, an inefficient system, and for-profit HMOs. You
suggested ... oh wait, you didn't suggest *****. You must be a Republican -
you provide criticism of others without providing answers.
(Shakes Head in disbelief!)
.







User: "McCleod"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 05 Sep 2004 03:50:00 AM
You don't know California, Dummy.
Once you get your head out of Rush Limbaughs anal cysts, you will be
able to see more clearly.
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message news:<m7gamhlg23ht.dlg@alaska.local>...

Already two polls are out showing the President with an eleven point lead
over John Kerry. However in one poll, the entire sample consisted of likely
voters who had not yet seen the President's acceptance speech. In the other
poll, the sample taken after the President's speech showed a 16 point lead.
So, as you can see, the President has beaten all expectations. So much for
that 50-50 electorate. Tomorrow or Monday should be the big news - Gallup
begins its daily tracking until Election Day. If it confirms that the
President has a double-digit lead, then you can expect the left to lose any
remaining grip on reality.

Why? Because if the President is ahead by 11-16 points, then he is leading
in every single battleground state and is probably ahead in California as
well. (It would be impossible for the President to enjoy such a national
lead without also leading in California.) Kerry would probably fire his
entire staff, since only they make mistakes, not him. While things may
tighten a bit heading into the debate season, expectations will be even
higher on Kerry to close the gap. The Massachusetts liberal has a habit of
failing to meet them.

.
User: "Jim"

Title: Re: The Bush Bounce 06 Sep 2004 04:24:57 AM
"McCleod" <m_mccleod1951@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d73646e0.0409050050.13d95173@posting.google.com...

You don't know California, Dummy.

Apparently you don't either. It's ok, "you won't be baaaaaack"
And you're not "the one" McCleod. LOL

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:<m7gamhlg23ht.dlg@alaska.local>...

Already two polls are out showing the President with an eleven point lead
over John Kerry. However in one poll, the entire sample consisted of
likely
voters who had not yet seen the President's acceptance speech. In the
other
poll, the sample taken after the President's speech showed a 16 point
lead.
So, as you can see, the President has beaten all expectations. So much
for
that 50-50 electorate. Tomorrow or Monday should be the big news - Gallup
begins its daily tracking until Election Day. If it confirms that the
President has a double-digit lead, then you can expect the left to lose
any
remaining grip on reality.

Why? Because if the President is ahead by 11-16 points, then he is
leading
in every single battleground state and is probably ahead in California as
well. (It would be impossible for the President to enjoy such a national
lead without also leading in California.) Kerry would probably fire his
entire staff, since only they make mistakes, not him. While things may
tighten a bit heading into the debate season, expectations will be even
higher on Kerry to close the gap. The Massachusetts liberal has a habit
of
failing to meet them.

.



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