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"Gactimus" |
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07 Jan 2005 08:44:44 AM |
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The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
as it now has far more in common with the ideas of socialism and communism
than republican democracy.
If you think this is an outlandish claim, consider how a "modern" Democrat
would respond to the following statements:
1. "Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence. It
is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions,
to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power."
2. "In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man,
but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
3. "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or
to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments
of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason
is left free to combat it."
4. "With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded
them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the
Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and
unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a
character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its
creators."
5. "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the
Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects
of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
6. "Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased,
and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if there be, as
any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead
or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of
injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument
to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as
an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it. We have the
right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we
please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to
appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have
been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr.
Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in
office to the day of his death, and I ever heard that the government
was in arrears to him."
7. "I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity.
[To approve such spending] would be contrary to the letter and the
spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon
which the Union of these States is founded."
8. "I feel obliged to withhold my approval of the plan to indulge in
benevolent and charitable sentiment through the appropriation of public
funds. ... I find no warrant for such an appropriation in the
Constitution."
George McGovern would go ballistic if someone made those statements today
.... describing such sentiments as reactionary ... and even un-American.
Yet, these sentiments where expressed by adherents to republican
democracy.
I mean, you've got Ted "Red" Kennedy (the poster child of the modern
Democrat Party) calling John Ashcroft "extreme" and "un-American" when
Ashcroft had the temerity to quote the Founding Fathers thoughts
concerning the Second Amendment.
The fact is that the modern Democrat Party loves Big Government ... it
loves to trust public employees (read: bureaucrats) ... and it loves to
promote class/race/gender/etc. warfare among the citizenry. In other
words, it's everything Jefferson was not. Modern Democrats should be
ashamed of themselves for having allowed their Party to stray from the
classical liberal path.
Democrats go about growing the government by promoting the welfare State.
Republicans go about it by promoting the warfare State. They don't seem to
care much about the constraints placed on them by the U.S. Constitution.
Most Democratic voters are too clueless or too apathetic to give a rat's
***** about any of the above. Most Democrats are more interested in how much
luxury they can shower upon themselves than bothering to ask whether THEIR
government is living within the bounds of the Constitution. So, Democratic
politicians aren't entirely to blame for the rampant deviation from the
constitutional limits of the federal government. But, on the other hand,
leaders are supposed to lead ... not follow. If we had real Democratic
leaders in Congress instead of political whores, we'd have people in
public office that still cared about the Constitution ... instead of
obsessing about their next election.
QUOTE SOURCES:
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Thomas Jefferson
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. James Madison, author of the Constitution (Speaking about the
"General Welfare" clause of the U.S. Constitution)
5. James Madison (1792 -Congress appropriated $15,000 to assist some
French refugees)
6. Colonel David "Davy" Crockett (1829 -House of Representatives
considered a bill to appropriate money for the benefit of a widow of
a distinguished naval officer
7. Franklin Pierce, our 14th president, upon vetoing the bill (1854
Congress passed a bill to "help" the mentally ill)
8. Grover Cleveland, our 22nd and 24th president, upon vetoing the bill
(1887 -Congress passed an appropriation bill to "help" drought-stricken
counties in Texas)
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| User: "Faster Trollercat" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
07 Jan 2005 11:01:29 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:1qOdnam0VPDBPUPcRVn-ig@rcn.net...
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
as it now has far more in common with the ideas of socialism and communism
than republican democracy.
You didn't prove that more Dems get welfare than Pugs so your ***** was
flushed.
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| User: "OICU812" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
07 Jan 2005 02:21:28 PM |
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"Faster Trollercat" <purr@purr.net> wrote in message
news:1HzDd.38$084.1@fe06.lga...
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: "Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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: > The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
: > Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
: > as it now has far more in common with the ideas of socialism and
communism
: > than republican democracy.
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: You didn't prove that more Dems get welfare than Pugs so your ***** was
: flushed.
You are a poor excuse for a demented troll and into the trashbin you go.
If you had a decent retort to anything you'd at least be worth wasting
bandwith on.<PLONK> AMF!
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
07 Jan 2005 08:38:17 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
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| Title: Re: The Republican Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
08 Jan 2005 02:19:12 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: The Republican Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
08 Jan 2005 09:27:44 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy to
read.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: The Republican Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
08 Jan 2005 10:54:00 PM |
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Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy to
read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government, and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: The Republican Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
09 Jan 2005 10:17:51 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy to
read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government, and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Unlike Democrats, who desire liberty, are in favor of a weak
government, and wage wars of defeat.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
09 Jan 2005 06:25:45 PM |
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"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in
news:POcEd.19039$Xs6.11549@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der
Fuehrer", by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist
it is a joy to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government, and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Unlike Democrats, who desire liberty, are in favor of a weak
government, and wage wars of defeat.
Actually, Democrats are too cowardly to wage war at all. Especially when it
is necessary.
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| User: "Starshine Moonbeam" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
13 Jan 2005 12:36:24 PM |
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In article <zvSdndcqNpwUVnzcRVn-2Q@rcn.net>, Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net)
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in
news:POcEd.19039$Xs6.11549@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der
Fuehrer", by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist
it is a joy to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government, and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Unlike Democrats, who desire liberty, are in favor of a weak
government, and wage wars of defeat.
Actually, Democrats are too cowardly to wage war at all. Especially when it
is necessary.
2 words: Manufactured War
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Starshine Moonbeam
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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13 Jan 2005 01:21:27 PM |
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Starshine Moonbeam wrote:
In article <zvSdndcqNpwUVnzcRVn-2Q@rcn.net>, Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net)
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in
news:POcEd.19039$Xs6.11549@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der
Fuehrer", by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist
it is a joy to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government, and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Unlike Democrats, who desire liberty, are in favor of a weak
government, and wage wars of defeat.
Actually, Democrats are too cowardly to wage war at all. Especially when it
is necessary.
2 words: Manufactured War
I'll believe that. The Industrial Military Establishment...
better known as major corporations.
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| User: "Starshine Moonbeam" |
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13 Jan 2005 04:22:41 PM |
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In article <41E6CA37.5CB88BCB@mist.com>, GreyCloud (cumulus@mist.com)
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
Starshine Moonbeam wrote:
In article <zvSdndcqNpwUVnzcRVn-2Q@rcn.net>, Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net)
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in
news:POcEd.19039$Xs6.11549@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der
Fuehrer", by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist
it is a joy to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government, and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Unlike Democrats, who desire liberty, are in favor of a weak
government, and wage wars of defeat.
Actually, Democrats are too cowardly to wage war at all. Especially when it
is necessary.
2 words: Manufactured War
I'll believe that. The Industrial Military Establishment...
better known as major corporations.
Ironically, the very thing that Ike, a republican, warned about.
--
Starshine Moonbeam
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:54:10 PM |
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Starshine Moonbeam wrote:
In article <41E6CA37.5CB88BCB@mist.com>, GreyCloud (cumulus@mist.com)
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
Starshine Moonbeam wrote:
In article <zvSdndcqNpwUVnzcRVn-2Q@rcn.net>, Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net)
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in
news:POcEd.19039$Xs6.11549@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der
Fuehrer", by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist
it is a joy to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government, and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Unlike Democrats, who desire liberty, are in favor of a weak
government, and wage wars of defeat.
Actually, Democrats are too cowardly to wage war at all. Especially when it
is necessary.
2 words: Manufactured War
I'll believe that. The Industrial Military Establishment...
better known as major corporations.
Ironically, the very thing that Ike, a republican, warned about.
Very true indeed. And after working for them, I understand
how they work.
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
12 Jan 2005 08:07:22 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 18:25:45 -0600, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"Douglas D. Anderson" <dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in
news:POcEd.19039$Xs6.11549@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der
Fuehrer", by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist
it is a joy to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government, and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Unlike Democrats, who desire liberty, are in favor of a weak
government, and wage wars of defeat.
Actually, Democrats are too cowardly to wage war at all. Especially when it
is necessary.
Actually Gactimus is too stupid to realize that democrats are not as
monolithic as the fundamentalist Christian rightards.
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
09 Jan 2005 04:45:19 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" < > wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Republicans don't wage wars of conquest.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Jan 2005 12:49:03 PM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
But don't let reality intrude in your fantasies.
and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Republicans don't wage wars of conquest.
Iraq. Afghanistan.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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09 Jan 2005 04:03:43 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this... and
they have.
But don't let reality intrude in your fantasies.
Yep, you don't have any fantasies... that would take
imagination.
and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Republicans don't wage wars of conquest.
Iraq. Afghanistan.
Then why do the Democrats participate in this?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Jan 2005 06:27:31 PM |
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GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this.
No it doesn't, moron. Republicans control congress and the White
House.
and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Republicans don't wage wars of conquest.
Iraq. Afghanistan.
Then why do the Democrats participate in this?
It was Bush who ordered those wars. Republicans who elected him.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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09 Jan 2005 06:43:53 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this.
No it doesn't, moron. Republicans control congress and the White
House.
and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Republicans don't wage wars of conquest.
Iraq. Afghanistan.
Then why do the Democrats participate in this?
It was Bush who ordered those wars. Republicans who elected him.
Anyone remotely familiar with the real world knows that Republicans vote
Republican, Democrats vote Democrat, and it is the roughly 1/3 of the
voters called the swing vote which determine any election. When candidates
campaign they exert very little energy in worrying about their own people
or in proselytizing the other party, but spend their resources appealing to the
swing vote. Close elections generally mean that both candidates are equally
uninteresting or otherwise. So to say Republicans voted for Bush is a moot
point. They weren't about to vote for Dean or Kerry or anyone else the
opposition party could come up with.
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
09 Jan 2005 10:11:51 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this.
No it doesn't, moron. Republicans control congress and the White
House.
Guffaw!! Then maybe you should take a look at the
Democratic voting record.
All thru recent history the Democrats have voted for
military action of one kind or another.
Otherwise, they'd be trying to push thru bills of their own
to bring the troops home.
And how about HR 163 & S89 that Charles Wrangle pushed
forward to bring back the draft?
and waged wars of conquest.
Much like Republicans.
Republicans don't wage wars of conquest.
Iraq. Afghanistan.
Then why do the Democrats participate in this?
It was Bush who ordered those wars. Republicans who elected him.
You trully are blind. Did the doctor spank you too hard
when you were born?
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10 Jan 2005 09:32:16 PM |
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GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this.
No it doesn't, moron. Republicans control congress and the White
House.
Guffaw!! Then maybe you should take a look at the
Democratic voting record.
Is that going to make Bush a Democrat or prove that congress is
controlled by Democracts?
No.
All thru recent history the Democrats have voted for
Typical dumbshit neocon: Blame democrats for Repubican actions.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mel" |
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11 Jan 2005 05:33:22 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:32:16 GMT, (Ray Fischer)
wrote in message <crvhbv$ngu$1@bolt.sonic.net>:
Typical dumbshit neocon: Blame democrats for Repubican actions.
who let Ray out again?
do you know how long it took us to bag him last time?
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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| User: "G.P. of A.T.J." |
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11 Jan 2005 06:06:42 AM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
news:qq77u0h65ok35l0fjl5bkbd6o847ashh0i@4ax.com...
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:32:16 GMT, (Ray Fischer)
wrote in message <crvhbv$ngu$1@bolt.sonic.net>:
Typical dumbshit neocon: Blame democrats for Repubican actions.
who let Ray out again?
does that bother you fag boy?
do you know how long it took us to bag him last time?
you and all eight of your faces fag boy?
If Architects Worked Like Software Developers
Dear Architect:
Please design and build me a house. I am not quite sure of what I need, so
you should use your discretion.
My house should have between two and forty-five bedrooms. Just make sure the
plans are such that the bedrooms can be easily added or deleted. When you
bring the blueprints to me, I will make the final decision of what I want.
Also, bring me the cost breakdown for each configuration so that I can
arbitrarily pick one.
Keep in mind that the house I ultimately choose must cost less than the one
I am currently living in. Make sure, however, that you correct all the
deficiencies that exist in my current house (the floor of my kitchen
vibrates when I walk across it, and the walls don't have nearly enough
insulation in them).
As you design, also keep in mind that I want to keep yearly maintenance
costs as low as possible. This should mean the incorporation of extra-cost
features like aluminum, vinyl or composite siding. (If you choose not to
specify aluminum, be prepared to explain your decision in detail.)
Please take care that modern design practices and the latest materials are
used in construction of the house, as I want it to be a showplace for the
most up-to-date ideas and methods. Be alerted, however, that the kitchen
should be designed to accommodate, among other things, my 1952 Gibson
refrigerator.
To ensure that you are building the correct house for our entire family,
make certain that you contact each of our children, and also our in- laws.
My mother-in-law will have very strong feelings about how the house should
be designed, since she visits us at least once a year. Make sure that you
weigh all of these options carefully and come to the right decision. I,
however, retain the right to overrule any choices that you make.
Please don't bother me with small details right now. Your job is to develop
the overall plans for the house: get the big picture. At this time, for
example, it is not appropriate to be choosing the color of the carpet.
However, keep in mind that my wife likes blue.
Also, do not worry at this time about acquiring the resources to build the
house itself. Your first priority is to develop detailed plans and
specifications. Once I approve these plans, however, I would expect the
house to be under roof within 48 hours.
While you are designing this house specifically for me, keep in mind that
sooner or later I will have to sell it to someone else. It therefore should
have appeal to a wide variety of potential buyers. Please make sure before
you finalize the plans that there is a consensus of the population in my
area that they like the features this house has.
I advise you to run up and look at my neighbour's house that he constructed
last year. We like it a great deal. It has many features that we would also
like in our new home, particularly the 25 meter swimming pool. With careful
engineering, I believe that you can design this into our new home without
impacting the final cost.
Please prepare a complete set of blueprints. It is not necessary at this
time to do the real design, since they will be used only for construction
bids. Be advised, however, that you will be held accountable for any
increase of construction costs as a result of later design changes.
You must be thrilled to be working on as interesting a project as this! To
be able to use the latest techniques and materials and to be given such
freedom in your designs is something that can't happen very often. Contact
me as soon as possible with your complete ideas and plans.
P.S.
My wife has just told me that she disagrees with many of the instructions
that I've given you in this letter. As architect, it is your responsibility
to resolve these differences. I have tried in the past and have been unable
to accomplish this. If you can't handle this responsibility, I will have to
find another architect.
P.P.S.
Perhaps what I need is not a house at all, but a travel trailer. Please
advise me as soon as possible if this is the case.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
Mel the Defiler
member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfag.com
http://www.atjfag.com/
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:14:47 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this.
No it doesn't, moron. Republicans control congress and the White
House.
Guffaw!! Then maybe you should take a look at the
Democratic voting record.
Is that going to make Bush a Democrat or prove that congress is
controlled by Democracts?
No, it proves that both parties are in consensus.
Otherwise, these things wouldn't pass muster.
Better take another hard look at your precious party.
No.
All thru recent history the Democrats have voted for
Typical dumbshit neocon: Blame democrats for Repubican actions.
Typical luser that can't handle the truth, so you go and
snip part of the post.
History will look at your posts, and OH yeah,... you're real
convincing.
You act like a socialist rather than a liberal.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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10 Jan 2005 11:40:48 PM |
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GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this.
No it doesn't, moron. Republicans control congress and the White
House.
Guffaw!! Then maybe you should take a look at the
Democratic voting record.
Is that going to make Bush a Democrat or prove that congress is
controlled by Democracts?
No, it proves that both parties are in consensus.
Last I checked, both parties didn't order an invasion of Iraq.
Otherwise, these things wouldn't pass muster.
And they didn't.
All thru recent history the Democrats have voted for
Typical dumbshit neocon: Blame democrats for Repubican actions.
Typical luser that can't handle the truth,
The war was promoted and ordered by Republicans.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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11 Jan 2005 10:38:31 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this.
No it doesn't, moron. Republicans control congress and the White
House.
Guffaw!! Then maybe you should take a look at the
Democratic voting record.
Is that going to make Bush a Democrat or prove that congress is
controlled by Democracts?
No, it proves that both parties are in consensus.
Last I checked, both parties didn't order an invasion of Iraq.
Last I checked the Democrats didn't try to stop it either.
Otherwise, these things wouldn't pass muster.
And they didn't.
It appears you are wrong then, otherwise we wouldn't be in
Iraq.
All thru recent history the Democrats have voted for
Typical dumbshit neocon: Blame democrats for Repubican actions.
Typical luser that can't handle the truth,
The war was promoted and ordered by Republicans.
And backed by a lot of Democrats.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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11 Jan 2005 11:04:36 PM |
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GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:crqdd7$s5e$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Douglas D. Anderson <dda@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
The Democrat Party is no longer worthy to call itself the Party of
Jefferson. It would be more accurate to describe it as the Party of
Marx,
And the Republicans are the party of Hitler?
You should read a great and up close biography of Hitler, "Der Fuehrer",
by Konrad Heiden. Hitler was so much the liberal socialist it is a joy
to read.
Except that Hitler was opposed to liberty, in favor of a strong
government,
Just like today's liberals.
Except that it is the Republicans who are restricting people's rights
and building up a strong government.
It also takes the help of the Democrats to do this.
No it doesn't, moron. Republicans control congress and the White
House.
Guffaw!! Then maybe you should take a look at the
Democratic voting record.
Is that going to make Bush a Democrat or prove that congress is
controlled by Democracts?
No, it proves that both parties are in consensus.
Last I checked, both parties didn't order an invasion of Iraq.
Last I checked the Democrats didn't try to stop it either.
Typical neocon - never take responsibility. Always blame others.
Otherwise, these things wouldn't pass muster.
And they didn't.
It appears you are wrong then, otherwise we wouldn't be in
Iraq.
Where are the WMD? Where are the nuclear weapons? Where's the
imminent threat to the US?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Vanilla Gorilla Monkey Boy" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:58:44 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:04:36 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote in alt.tasteless.jokes in message
<cs2b53$sd$1@bolt.sonic.net>:
Where are the WMD? Where are the nuclear weapons?
They're probably buried in that old dude's rose garden, with those
pieces of the subterfuge.
--
V.G.
Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
"Bush things is he never attends a Funderal - He will live forever!" - Donnieboi Ferrt explains... something.
Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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12 Jan 2005 01:28:55 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Last I checked, both parties didn't order an invasion of Iraq.
Last I checked the Democrats didn't try to stop it either.
Typical neocon - never take responsibility. Always blame others.
Looks like you lay the blame on everybody else. I do take
responsibility by calling a spade a spade.
Now, why didn't the democrats make an effort to stop the
Iraq war from happening??
Otherwise, these things wouldn't pass muster.
And they didn't.
It appears you are wrong then, otherwise we wouldn't be in
Iraq.
Where are the WMD? Where are the nuclear weapons? Where's the
imminent threat to the US?
And where are the so called concerned Democrats that have
our interests at heart??
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: The Democratic Party: The Party of the Welfare State |
12 Jan 2005 11:10:45 PM |
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GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Last I checked, both parties didn't order an invasion of Iraq.
Last I checked the Democrats didn't try to stop it either.
Typical neocon - never take responsibility. Always blame others.
Looks like you lay the blame on everybody else.
Because I pointed out that it was Bush who ordered the invasion of
Iraq?
I do take
responsibility by calling a spade a spade.
No, you don't. You keep making excuses, trying to blame the invasion
on Democrats when it is Bush's war.
Otherwise, these things wouldn't pass muster.
And they didn't.
It appears you are wrong then, otherwise we wouldn't be in
Iraq.
Where are the WMD? Where are the nuclear weapons? Where's the
imminent threat to the US?
And where are the so called concerned Democrats that have
Typical neocon: Always making excuses. Never take responsibility.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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13 Jan 2005 01:19:22 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Last I checked, both parties didn't order an invasion of Iraq.
Last I checked the Democrats didn't try to stop it either.
Typical neocon - never take responsibility. Always blame others.
Looks like you lay the blame on everybody else.
Because I pointed out that it was Bush who ordered the invasion of
Iraq?
So? Congress could have voted to put a stop to it too, but
I didn't see any actions in that direction.
I suspect that Bush did lie to Congress, but then you have
to take into account the others that were giving input to
Bush. Supposedly some did lie and some didn't. If our own
government would only heed Jeffersons advice about staying
out of foreign countries we wouldn't have this problem, but
I doubt that Jefferson could understand that the globe is
now easily accessible by everybody. More likely he would
come up with something better for modern times.
I do take
responsibility by calling a spade a spade.
No, you don't.
Of course I do.
You keep making excuses, trying to blame the invasion
on Democrats when it is Bush's war.
I made no such implications or statements. Both parties
seem bent on going to war.
And I didn't see any of the Democrats putting up resolutions
to stop from going to war either.
Where were any politicians resolutions to stop before going
to war??
Otherwise, these things wouldn't pass muster.
And they didn't.
It appears you are wrong then, otherwise we wouldn't be in
Iraq.
Where are the WMD? Where are the nuclear weapons? Where's the
imminent threat to the US?
And where are the so called concerned Democrats that have
Typical neocon: Always making excuses. Never take responsibility.
Typical socialist, that snips other peoples posts to obscure
the real post.
You're a real skit.
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