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"J Young" |
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01 Aug 2005 11:59:01 PM |
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The Legion of Decency |
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty . Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values? Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together. Bring
morality back to the cinema.
http://lphrc.org/rmk/Cath/legion.html
A Brief History of the Legion of Decency
The Legion of Decency was formed in 1934 to combat immoral movies.
People took a pledge, in church, against bad movies. They pledged not
only never to go to any morally objectionable movie, but never even to
go to any movie theater that had ever shown a morally objectionable
film!
This was very effective in discouraging Hollywood from making movies
which would earn the disapproval of the Legion of Decency. And the
Legion of Decency's ratings were very strict, much more strict than the
modern Catholic Bishops' movie rating system (which has been sadly
ineffective in influencing the making of movies).
Catholics used to be united, strong and strict, and then they were a
powerful force to be reckoned with by the movie industry!
Around the end of the 1950's, things began to change. The emphasis was
taken off condemning bad movies, and a deliberate effort was made to
make The Legion of Decency more `positive'. The pledge gradually faded
out of use, until it was finally completely forgotten.
By 1975, the Legion of Decency had ceased to exist. It was replaced by
the Bishops' new Catholic rating system. That ended the Church's
influence on the movie industry. Movie standards continue to drop.
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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| Title: Re: The Legion of Decency |
02 Aug 2005 10:34:39 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
The Legion of Decency was formed in 1934 to combat immoral movies.
People took a pledge, in church, against bad movies. They pledged not
only never to go to any morally objectionable movie, but never even to
go to any movie theater that had ever shown a morally objectionable
film!
Quick, why is there no Legion of Decency? Because good,
church-going folk Could Not Keep That Promise.
Elf
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| User: "Mickey" |
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02 Aug 2005 08:57:13 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1122958741.552555.301760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty .
Nah, the real garbage is what comes out of your keyboard.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Aug 2005 01:40:33 AM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty .
Nobody's forcing you to watch.
Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values?
Do they? Or is the reality just that you hate anybody who doesn't
agree with you?
Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together. Bring
morality back to the cinema.
You're an idiot who has no idea of the crappy, sexist, and racist
films that were being made 60 years ago. And you're solution to
all of the world's "problems" is to create a dictatorship where
everybody but you is forced to live by your rules.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "kathryn" |
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02 Aug 2005 07:34:41 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty .
Nobody's forcing you to watch.
Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values?
Do they? Or is the reality just that you hate anybody who doesn't
agree with you?
Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together. Bring
morality back to the cinema.
You're an idiot who has no idea of the crappy, sexist, and racist
films that were being made 60 years ago. And you're solution to
all of the world's "problems" is to create a dictatorship where
everybody but you is forced to live by your rules.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Life was better when women and black people knew their place dammit!
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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02 Aug 2005 08:45:44 AM |
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J Young wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty . Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values? Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together. Bring
morality back to the cinema.
http://lphrc.org/rmk/Cath/legion.html
You realize that the Legion of Decency was the inspiration for the Junior
Anti-Sex League in George Orwell's "1984", right?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be
mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not
consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists
in professing to believe what one does not believe. It
is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may
so express it, that mental lying has produced in society.
When man has so far corrupted and prostituted the
chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional
belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared
himself for the commission of every other crime."
- Thomas Paine, "The Age of Reason"
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| User: "JTEM" |
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02 Aug 2005 09:16:20 AM |
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"Gregory Gadow" <techbear@serv.net> wrote
You realize that the Legion of Decency was the inspiration for
the Junior Anti-Sex League in George Orwell's "1984", right?
You also realize that they were far from alone. Lunatic religious
groups like that are like dogs. Once one sets to barking they all
do.
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| User: "J Young" |
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02 Aug 2005 04:21:43 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
You realize that the Legion of Decency was the inspiration for the Junior
Anti-Sex League in George Orwell's "1984", right?
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I did not know that, thankyou. It seems that the "Legion" was more
popular within the Catholic community than the rest of society at
large, certainly judging by the responses this topic has recieved here.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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02 Aug 2005 09:35:41 PM |
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in article 1123017703.023751.37920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, J Young at
youngopinions@aol.com wrote on 8/2/05 5:21 PM:
Gregory Gadow wrote:
You realize that the Legion of Decency was the inspiration for the Junior
Anti-Sex League in George Orwell's "1984", right?
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I did not know that, thankyou. It seems that the "Legion" was more
popular within the Catholic community than the rest of society at
large, certainly judging by the responses this topic has recieved here.
The irony is that the Legion thrived during the days when it was
more likely that Catholics didn't even HAVE the extra nickel or dime to GO
to the movies (especially when you multiply it by 10 or 12 kids).
Paul
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| User: "nJb" |
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02 Aug 2005 10:48:33 AM |
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J Young wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty . Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values? Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together. Bring
morality back to the cinema.
Movies are made to make money, not to please you or the legion of judgment.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/
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| User: "" |
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02 Aug 2005 01:02:19 PM |
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nJb wrote:
J Young wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty . Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values? Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together. Bring
morality back to the cinema.
Movies are made to make money, not to please you or the legion of judgment.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/xmissionbobo/
I remember an amusing newspaper report of a Meeting of the Legion of
Decency many years ago when Dublin was dominated by Roman Catholicism.
"A Meeting of the Legion of Decency was held yesterday evening in the
Mansion House, Dawson St.
There were present seven people, five priests, three nuns and two
protestants".
I doubt wheter they could muster such a large legion today.
B C.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Legion of Decency |
03 Aug 2005 01:54:53 PM |
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J Young wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty. Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values? Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together. Bring
morality back to the cinema.
I don't see anything that any atheist could object to in this; I'm sure
Ingersoll and Huxley would say that atheism did not mean support for
immorality.
But reading some of the comments made by self-confessed 'atheists' in
reply, it rams home how much such atheism is merely violent conformism;
those who set societal values want x, y, z -- so these 'atheists'
scream abuse at any who criticise them. Those who set societal values
do not want a, b, c -- these 'atheists' scream abuse at these, and
demonise any discussion of them. Such intolerance of any dissent from
societal values is terrifying.
Would someone explain to me why atheism requires such conformity?
Would they explain why atheism means being indifferent to moral
principle which, after all, predates and has nothing to do with
Christianity as such?
I don't see it, myself.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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02 Aug 2005 12:30:48 AM |
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On 1 Aug 2005 21:59:01 -0700,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty . Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values? Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together.
My family always enjoyed ALL the movies of interest, together.
If it looked entertaining, then we all enjoyed it. And the same is true
of millions of other families. No prob!
Bring morality back to the cinema.
What a crock of utter bullcrap.
"Morality." ROTFL!!! Your brand of 'morality" is the IMMORALITY
of hateful and clueless bigotry.
CLUE, ignorant loser: If you aren't interested in any particular
movie, then don't go to it. It's just as simple as that. (As opposed
to the simple-MINDEDNESS of control-freaks like you.
Do society a favor: Get a life. Bigots like you are the greatest
detriment that any society has.
A Brief History of the Legion of Decency...
...one of the most IDIOTIC concepts ever to infest society.
<swill-flush>
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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02 Aug 2005 03:40:44 AM |
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:cm0ue1504iu08pegth93h0jerk5ihrprmr@4ax.com...
On 1 Aug 2005 21:59:01 -0700,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today is a travesty .
Yeah, that "March of the Penguins" is pure filth.
Is it any
wonder why youth have such distorted values? Were the film industry to
encounter a modern day "Legion of Decency", you can bet that there
would be more movies the entire family could enjoy together.
My family always enjoyed ALL the movies of interest, together.
If it looked entertaining, then we all enjoyed it. And the same is true
of millions of other families. No prob!
It's usually the right-wingers who whine about "too much government" eho
insist that the government intervene when *they* want it to - but this jerk
is just an equal opportunity troll.
Susan
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| User: "Attila" |
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02 Aug 2005 03:42:20 AM |
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On 1 Aug 2005 21:59:01 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<1122958741.552555.301760@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> wrote:
Off topic.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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02 Aug 2005 07:42:47 AM |
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Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in
news:oecue1ps68vdphj7m577vk5c3jkql2tg48@4ax.com:
Off topic.
at least you admit what you so often do.
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| User: "Sneekers" |
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03 Aug 2005 06:18:12 PM |
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On 1 Aug 2005 21:59:01 -0700, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
The garbage that comes out of Hollywood today...
The garbage that comes out of your mouth, ALONE, should be up to the
scrutiny of "Legion of Deceny" if they have any decency, I Ben.
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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02 Aug 2005 04:22:23 AM |
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The irony is that for the rest of the planet, there's nothing more
preachy, conservative and prude than Hollywood films.
But of course, in a country where sculptures are being covered with a
piece of cloth and an exposed breast almost provoques a revolution, why
be surprised...
Yet, kids can still witness violence on prime-time tv and no one says
anything against it.
Interesting that in the USA, a breast is seen as more dangerous than a
gun... It says a lot...
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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02 Aug 2005 05:16:14 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jean-pascal.vachon@chello.at> wrote in message
news:1122974543.465796.131740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The irony is that for the rest of the planet, there's nothing more
preachy, conservative and prude than Hollywood films.
But of course, in a country where sculptures are being covered with a
piece of cloth and an exposed breast almost provoques a revolution,
Well, there was more to it than that - there was no warning, and the theme
of the song was darned near rape, and then there was the race oppression
thing....
But I take your point.
Susan
why
be surprised...
Yet, kids can still witness violence on prime-time tv and no one says
anything against it.
Interesting that in the USA, a breast is seen as more dangerous than a
gun... It says a lot...
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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02 Aug 2005 11:29:37 AM |
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He was talking about the Greco-style sculptures in Washington DC, not
Ms. Jackson's mammary glands.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OJHHe.9624$Bx5.8835@trnddc09...
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: "Parsifal" <jean-pascal.vachon@chello.at> wrote in message
: news:1122974543.465796.131740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: > The irony is that for the rest of the planet, there's nothing more
: > preachy, conservative and prude than Hollywood films.
: > But of course, in a country where sculptures are being covered with
a
: > piece of cloth and an exposed breast almost provoques a revolution,
:
: Well, there was more to it than that - there was no warning, and the
theme
: of the song was darned near rape, and then there was the race
oppression
: thing....
: But I take your point.
:
: Susan
:
: why
: > be surprised...
: > Yet, kids can still witness violence on prime-time tv and no one
says
: > anything against it.
: > Interesting that in the USA, a breast is seen as more dangerous than
a
: > gun... It says a lot...
: >
:
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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02 Aug 2005 11:46:47 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:07NHe.1844$Mo.1512@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
He was talking about the Greco-style sculptures in Washington DC, not
Ms. Jackson's mammary glands.
If that very last bit wasn't about the furor that erupted over Janet
Jackson's most-likely staged exposure, I'll be surprised. But even then, it
doesn;t change what eiher of us said...
Susan
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OJHHe.9624$Bx5.8835@trnddc09...
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: "Parsifal" <jean-pascal.vachon@chello.at> wrote in message
: news:1122974543.465796.131740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: > The irony is that for the rest of the planet, there's nothing more
: > preachy, conservative and prude than Hollywood films.
: > But of course, in a country where sculptures are being covered with
a
: > piece of cloth and an exposed breast almost provoques a revolution,
:
: Well, there was more to it than that - there was no warning, and the
theme
: of the song was darned near rape, and then there was the race
oppression
: thing....
: But I take your point.
:
: Susan
:
: why
: > be surprised...
: > Yet, kids can still witness violence on prime-time tv and no one
says
: > anything against it.
: > Interesting that in the USA, a breast is seen as more dangerous than
a
: > gun... It says a lot...
: >
:
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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02 Aug 2005 03:28:31 PM |
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If men are allowed to walk around in most places without a shirt, then
women should have the same choice.
"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:XrNHe.9998$Bx5.7331@trnddc09...
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: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: news:07NHe.1844$Mo.1512@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
: > He was talking about the Greco-style sculptures in Washington DC,
not
: > Ms. Jackson's mammary glands.
:
: If that very last bit wasn't about the furor that erupted over Janet
: Jackson's most-likely staged exposure, I'll be surprised. But even
then, it
: doesn;t change what eiher of us said...
:
: Susan
: >
: >
: >
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: > "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
: > news:OJHHe.9624$Bx5.8835@trnddc09...
: > :
: > : "Parsifal" <jean-pascal.vachon@chello.at> wrote in message
: > : news:1122974543.465796.131740@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: > : > The irony is that for the rest of the planet, there's nothing
more
: > : > preachy, conservative and prude than Hollywood films.
: > : > But of course, in a country where sculptures are being covered
with
: > a
: > : > piece of cloth and an exposed breast almost provoques a
revolution,
: > :
: > : Well, there was more to it than that - there was no warning, and
the
: > theme
: > : of the song was darned near rape, and then there was the race
: > oppression
: > : thing....
: > : But I take your point.
: > :
: > : Susan
: > :
: > : why
: > : > be surprised...
: > : > Yet, kids can still witness violence on prime-time tv and no one
: > says
: > : > anything against it.
: > : > Interesting that in the USA, a breast is seen as more dangerous
than
: > a
: > : > gun... It says a lot...
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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02 Aug 2005 07:42:10 PM |
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:28:31 +0300,
"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
If men are allowed to walk around in most places without
a shirt, then women should have the same choice.
They DO -- in Ontario!
But then, Canada USUALLY is **'way** ahead of the USA
when it comes to outgrowing and properly REJECTING idiotic
Puritanism.
They even just made same-sex marriage fully legal, nationwide,
as well.
Most **Canadians** are INTELLIGENT.
As for the USA -- I'll never forget the comment that a British
woman visiting here said to Phil Donahue, on his "Donahue"
TV show several years ago, when it comes to issues of so-called
"morality." She said, "America is a VERY repressive country.
And boy, was she ever RIGHT.
But fortunately, we ARE outgrowing such stupidity. Vermont
started it, and Massachusetts has fully-legal same-sex marriage,
statewide. And the Oregonians were smart enough to legalize
death with dignity... TWICE over!
The RRR cult's loathsome agendas against human rights all
WILL become extinct. It's up to us fair-minded egalitarians to
HELP them reach that well-deserved destination as soon as
possible!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "someone" |
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03 Aug 2005 09:34:38 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:28:31 +0300,
"=F8=E9=F2=E9=EF =E1=F8=FA=E5=EF=FD/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wro=
te:
If men are allowed to walk around in most places without
a shirt, then women should have the same choice.
They DO -- in Ontario!
But then, Canada USUALLY is **'way** ahead of the USA
when it comes to outgrowing and properly REJECTING idiotic
Puritanism.
They even just made same-sex marriage fully legal, nationwide,
as well.
Most **Canadians** are INTELLIGENT.
As for the USA -- I'll never forget the comment that a British
woman visiting here said to Phil Donahue, on his "Donahue"
TV show several years ago, when it comes to issues of so-called
"morality." She said, "America is a VERY repressive country.
And boy, was she ever RIGHT.
But fortunately, we ARE outgrowing such stupidity. Vermont
started it, and Massachusetts has fully-legal same-sex marriage,
statewide. And the Oregonians were smart enough to legalize
death with dignity... TWICE over!
Are those the same smart Oregonians who voted to pass Measure 36?
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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03 Aug 2005 06:53:27 PM |
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On 3 Aug 2005 07:34:38 -0700,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote:
If men are allowed to walk around in most places without
a shirt, then women should have the same choice.
They DO -- in Ontario!
But then, Canada USUALLY is **'way** ahead of the USA
when it comes to outgrowing and properly REJECTING idiotic
Puritanism.
They even just made same-sex marriage fully legal, nationwide,
as well.
Most **Canadians** are INTELLIGENT.
As for the USA -- I'll never forget the comment that a British
woman visiting here said to Phil Donahue, on his "Donahue"
TV show several years ago, when it comes to issues of so-called
"morality." She said, "America is a VERY repressive country.
And boy, was she ever RIGHT.
But fortunately, we ARE outgrowing such stupidity. Vermont
started it, and Massachusetts has fully-legal same-sex marriage,
statewide. And the Oregonians were smart enough to legalize
death with dignity... TWICE over!
Are those the same smart Oregonians who voted to pass
Measure 36?
Oregon's equivalent of a so-called "DOMA" law? Clearly, the
majority of Oregonians have done a better job of outgrowing and
rejecting *some* forms of bigotry better than others. I'm betting that
they'll outgrow their remnants of homophobia, and still become one
of the next states to legalize same-sex marriage. It's only a matter
of time.
Unless, of course, the U.S. Supreme Court sensibly legalizes it,
**nationwide**, first. Just as it so sensibly legalized safe and legal
abortion upon request, over 30 years ago.
A socially-liberal U.S. Supreme Court is, and has been for over
half a century (since Brown vs. Board of Education triggered the
demise of segregation) America's GREATEST blessing!
We, the people, need to ensure that its majority STAYS that
way!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "someone" |
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04 Aug 2005 08:43:16 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
They even just made same-sex marriage fully legal, nationwide,
as well.
Most **Canadians** are INTELLIGENT.
But fortunately, we ARE outgrowing such stupidity. Vermont
started it, and Massachusetts has fully-legal same-sex marriage,
statewide. And the Oregonians were smart enough to legalize
death with dignity... TWICE over!
Are those the same smart Oregonians who voted to pass
Measure 36?
Oregon's equivalent of a so-called "DOMA" law? Clearly, the
majority of Oregonians have done a better job of outgrowing and
rejecting *some* forms of bigotry better than others.
You called Oregonians "intelligent" because the voters seem to agree
with you on legal suicide. Yet those same intelligent people don't
agree with you on homosexual marriage.
I'm betting that
they'll outgrow their remnants of homophobia, and still become one
of the next states to legalize same-sex marriage. It's only a matter
of time.
The vote was 57% to 24% in a state which is typically very liberal.
Doesn't sound like a "remnant."
Unless, of course, the U.S. Supreme Court sensibly legalizes it,
**nationwide**, first.
You'd like to see the USSC make law from the bench.....again? You
don't care how you get your way, do ya.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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04 Aug 2005 07:44:43 PM |
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On 4 Aug 2005 06:43:16 -0700,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
They even just made same-sex marriage fully legal, nationwide,
as well.
Most **Canadians** are INTELLIGENT.
But fortunately, we ARE outgrowing such stupidity. Vermont
started it, and Massachusetts has fully-legal same-sex marriage,
statewide. And the Oregonians were smart enough to legalize
death with dignity... TWICE over!
Are those the same smart Oregonians who voted to pass
Measure 36?
Oregon's equivalent of a so-called "DOMA" law? Clearly, the
majority of Oregonians have done a better job of outgrowing and
rejecting *some* forms of bigotry better than others.
You called Oregonians "intelligent" because the voters seem to
agree with you on legal suicide.
It's not a case of their "agreeing with me." It's a case of their
having the necessary common sense and compassion to support
death with dignity for those needing such desired relief.
Yet those same intelligent people don't agree with you on
homosexual marriage.
I'll bet we'd find that almost ALL of those who support same-sex
marriage -- which is 100% HARMLESS -- also support death with dignity.
And that those *other* supporters of death with dignity are well on their
way to outgrowing homophobia.
I'm betting that they'll outgrow their remnants of homophobia,
and still become one of the next states to legalize same-sex marriage.
It's only a matter of time.
The vote was 57% to 24% in a state which is typically very liberal.
Doesn't sound like a "remnant."
"57-24 percent?" Your math obviously needs as much help as your
warped notions of "morality" do.
But let's look only at that 57% figure. Just 20-25 years ago, there
probably would have been 90-95% opposed. As people's conscious-
ness of the abject STUPIDITY of homophobia is steadily raised, they
steadily are OUTGROWING their immature bigotries. It's getting VERY
close to the day when the opposition will at least be UNDER 50&!
Unless, of course, the U.S. Supreme Court sensibly legalizes it,
**nationwide**, first.
You'd like to see the USSC make law from the bench.....again?
You don't care how you get your way, do ya.
CLUE, ignorant loser. Judicial review, and the legitimate Judicial
Law which has served as the valuable and necessary fine-tuning of
the generalities of Constitutional Law, has been in place for more than
200 years. Repeat: Two HUNDRED years. (Marbury vs. Madison,
1804.)
At any time during that 201-year period, Congress COULD have
initiated a Constitutional Amendment that would have made the Consti-
tution exclusionary, and in the process, eviscerated one of the three
branches of government, and wrecked the Constitution's system of
checks and balances -- the system which has preserved our individual
liberties for as long as America has been a constitutional republic.
Congress has been astute enough NOT to. For CENTURIES!
There is nothing much more ignorant, dishonest, or both, than
a person's spouting off about "legislating from the bench," and
"unelected judges." There's a REASON for Judicial Law, and there's
a REASON why appellate judges cannot be elected by a deceived
populace. Thank the nation's founders for having had IMMENSELY
valuable insight in those regards,
Over just the last 51 years, we've seen many hugely-important
instances where the U.S. Supreme Court, for example, has been
'WAY ahead of the curve with respect to public sentiment which
still had a LOT of growing up to do.
Fortunately... VERY fortunately!!... America was blessed by its
Supreme Court having, throughout the lifetimes of all Americans alive
today. a majority of FAIR, intelligent, and socially-liberal Justices who
have done precisely what Justices are SUPPOSED to do: interpret
the Constitution (translate: fine-tune the Constitution... a document of
generalities)... with the best interests of the free people that it serves,
at heart.
There are three ways to interpret the Constitution:
1. From a socially-repressive standpoint.
2. From a neutral standpoint.
3. From a socially-liberal standpoint.
TRANSLATION:
1. Tyrannical
2. Irresponsibly not giving a damn.
3. Fairly defending liberties whenever possible.
The RRR cult screeches that it wants to see "strict construc-
tionists" appointed to the Court. And it implies that a "strict
constructionist" would be *neutral* in his/her interpretations.
But NO one is truly neutral, and they know it! Sensible
people want to see the *right* things being done for the American
people. And it doesn't GET any more right (as in, proper and
correct) than to keep the preservation of LIBERTY at heart when
doing the interpreting. That means scrutinizing the Constitution
with a strainer having holes around two angstroms in diameter, for
any and all possible wording that can be brought to bear to justify
maintaining, defending, or extending personal liberties, wherever
possible, in deciding a case.
If a candidate for the Court appears to be Anti-Choice, the RRR
cult will have nothing but praise for him. But if he appears to be
PRO-choice, then those same cultists screech and yowl like
scalded buzzards, screaming invectives, and such moronic charges
as "judicial activism!" and "legislating from the bench!"
The RRR cult's oligarchical leaders obviously COUNT on
their lemmings' being the cream of the crop from the standpoint of
sheer ignorance. People ignorant enough not to see the obvious
hypocrisy of their agenda that transparently calls the ACTIVIST
judges that **they** want, "constructionists," And which in actuality
regards judges "who don't give a damn" (neutral ones) with just as
much anathema as they would accord to egalitarian judges who
seek to keep Americans free.
The RRR cult comes closer to being utterly DEVOID of any
socially-redeeming significance than any faction America has
seen since the segregationists. Nature abhors a vacuum, and
with the demise of segregation came a mere 10-year-long vacuum
of mindless and hateful bigotry that was filled with the rise of the
RRR cult, which was initiated by Jerry Falwell in the mid-'70s, with
his so-called "Moral Majority" -- which never was remotely either.
MOST Christians not only have **nothing** to do with the RRR
cult and it's loathsome agendas against personal liberties -- but the
majority of them are pretty much UNAWARE of it. They are very
normal people, going about their daily lives in our complex society.
Neither supporting nor opposing the RRR cult is even on their radar.
It's not a case of one or the other being on the back burner. It's a
case of it's not even being on the STOVE! The issues that con-
cern the RRR cultists, and their fair-minded active opponents, the
egalitarians, if even perceived at all, are perceived as MINIMAL
and PERIPHERAL issues by most people in our society. They
don't seem to realize that the personal rights and liberties of
literally tens of MILLIONS of America are quite literally at stake,
and are threatened from the highest levels (i.e., President Bush)
on down (i.e., Congress, the legislators of their state, etc.) -- and
a Supreme Court that could turn HOSTILE to untold numbers of
our rights if so much as ONE social liberal is replaced by a social
"conservative." No one alive today has ever experienced a Supreme
Court having such a mindset on the part of a majority of its Justices.
For example, since 51 years ago until the present, we've seen several
landmark cases that have DEFENDED our liberties... such as:
1954 -- Brown vs. Board of Education:
Triggered the ultimate demise of segregation
1967 -- Loving vs. Virginia: Ended the denial of marriage to
interracial couples.
1973 -- Roe vs, Wade: Emancipated America's women,
and ensure that they NO longer would be
FORCED to gestate to term against their will,
when faced with unwanted pregnancy.
1997 -- The heinous "CDA" act was declared unconstitu-
tional. Thus keeping the Internet free of censor-
ship.
2003 -- Lawrence vs. Texas: kicked government OUT of
Americans' bedrooms.
In some of those cases, it was a 5-4 decision. Had the majority
been socially "conservative" (i.e., repressive and hateful), freedoms
would have been DENIED, instead of protected. Getting such a
sociopath into the U.S. Supreme Court is one of the KEY objectives
of the loathsome RRR cult. If they succeed, it is very possible that
none of us old enough to read this will EVER again see an America
that has been as free as the America we've known for the last few
decades. Because Supreme Court Justices are appointed for LIFE.
More than ever before in history, Americans are faced with a
desperate NEED to ensure that NO repressive appointee makes it to
the U.S. Supreme Court. We need to do ALL that is legally within
our power to do this. Otherwise, George Orwell will likely be remem-
bered as a PROPHET. And a free America will become a distant
and fading memory.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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06 Aug 2005 08:22:53 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On 4 Aug 2005 06:43:16 -0700,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
They even just made same-sex marriage fully legal, nationwide,
as well.
Most **Canadians** are INTELLIGENT.
But fortunately, we ARE outgrowing such stupidity. Vermont
started it, and Massachusetts has fully-legal same-sex marriage,
statewide. And the Oregonians were smart enough to legalize
death with dignity... TWICE over!
Are those the same smart Oregonians who voted to pass
Measure 36?
Oregon's equivalent of a so-called "DOMA" law? Clearly, the
majority of Oregonians have done a better job of outgrowing and
rejecting *some* forms of bigotry better than others.
You called Oregonians "intelligent" because the voters seem to
agree with you on legal suicide.
It's not a case of their "agreeing with me."
Yes it is.
It's a case of their
having the necessary common sense and compassion to support
death with dignity for those needing such desired relief.
Like I said, they agree with you.
Yet those same intelligent people don't agree with you on
homosexual marriage.
I'll bet we'd find that almost ALL of those who support same-sex
marriage -- which is 100% HARMLESS -- also support death with dignity.
And that those *other* supporters of death with dignity are well on their
way to outgrowing homophobia.
What you just said is totally meaningless.
I'm betting that they'll outgrow their remnants of homophobia,
and still become one of the next states to legalize same-sex marriage.
It's only a matter of time.
The vote was 57% to 24% in a state which is typically very liberal.
Doesn't sound like a "remnant."
"57-24 percent?" Your math obviously needs as much help as your
warped notions of "morality" do.
Oh no, a typo.
But let's look only at that 57% figure.
Yes, let's. Are those the intelligent Oregonians of which you spoke?
Unless, of course, the U.S. Supreme Court sensibly legalizes it,
**nationwide**, first.
You'd like to see the USSC make law from the bench.....again?
You don't care how you get your way, do ya.
CLUE, ignorant loser. Judicial review, and the legitimate Judicial
Law which has served as the valuable and necessary fine-tuning of
the generalities of Constitutional Law, has been in place for more than
200 years. Repeat: Two HUNDRED years. (Marbury vs. Madison,
1804.)
Interpreting law is not the same as legislating from the bench.
At any time during that 201-year period, Congress COULD have
initiated a Constitutional Amendment that would have made the Consti-
tution exclusionary, and in the process, eviscerated one of the three
branches of government, and wrecked the Constitution's system of
checks and balances -- the system which has preserved our individual
liberties for as long as America has been a constitutional republic.
You've just implied that those checks and balances are not in place
because the courts are allowed to legislate from the bench.
Over just the last 51 years, we've seen many hugely-important
instances where the U.S. Supreme Court, for example, has been
'WAY ahead of the curve with respect to public sentiment which
still had a LOT of growing up to do.
Public sentiment has nothing to do with it.
And, like I said, you don't care how you get your way even it it means
having the courts legislate from the bench.
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02 Aug 2005 07:03:43 AM |
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Oh, it was bad taste, I agree (but, hey, who invited Janet Jackson in
the first place) but all we heard about was "the breast"...
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02 Aug 2005 07:34:10 AM |
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"Parsifal" <jean-pascal.vachon@chello.at> wrote in message
news:1122984223.429244.100600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Oh, it was bad taste, I agree (but, hey, who invited Janet Jackson in
the first place) but all we heard about was "the breast"...
Javine's popped out during the Eurovision trials and we all had a good
giggle
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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02 Aug 2005 11:31:55 AM |
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That's because Europeans are mature enough to see breasts first as just
another part of the body, second as nature's way of feeding babies, and
lastly as something pleasurable and/or sexual.
Most Americans (especially men and Christians) only see them as sexual
objects.
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in message
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: "Parsifal" <jean-pascal.vachon@chello.at> wrote in message
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: > Oh, it was bad taste, I agree (but, hey, who invited Janet Jackson
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