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"*** Rob Wade ***" |
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22 Aug 2005 06:46:16 PM |
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The Pope and Andrew Sullivan |
The Pope and Andrew Sullivan
Lisa Fabrizio
Every Catholic on Earth is a sinner. From this writer up to and
including the newly installed Pope Benedict XVI. That we have the
church to steer us to our redeemer through the sacrament of penance and
reconciliation to forgive our sins, is a precious gift of grace from
God. It is this belief, along with many others, that unites us to what
we call the one true church.
During the last few weeks, we have seen numerous images of Catholics
from around the world converging on Rome to worship God and to pray.
People of different colors, dress and customs united in celebration of
the masses in St. Peter's Square, where, before distribution of Holy
Communion, they were reminded to be "conscious of the conditions
necessary for sincere and fruitful communion." This means chiefly to be
free of un-absolved mortal, or grave sin.
What we have also seen is a vocal group of American homosexual
Catholics calling on the church to modify its teachings so that they
would be sinners no more. For thousands of years, many cultures,
including ours, saw homosexual behavior as illegal or immoral or both.
Since the sexual revolution of the 1960's, nearly all forms of adult
sex are not only legal, but today, those who disapprove of those acts
are themselves seen as immoral.
Chief among these is Pope Benedict who finds himself in the bullseye of
the homosexual community, led by Andrew Sullivan. A fine writer on most
issues, it appears that Mr. Sullivan, a self-professed 'progressive'
Catholic, has let his gay identity subsume his religious one - a
grave error as he should and probably does, know. He writes,
In a society with a huge gay population, the Pope has declared that
homosexuals have an innate tendency towards "intrinsic moral evil" and
are therefore "objectively disordered." He has also argued that the
exercise of conscience is a sinful delusion if it doesn't comport with
church doctrine.
Here, the Pope is taken to task for citing the Catechism of the
Catholic Church (2357, 1790-94) which he helped re-edit and which,
according to his predecessor, is derived from "Sacred Scripture, the
Apostolic Tradition and the Church's Magisterium." For a
'non-progressive' follower of the church, it doesn't get any clearer
than that and therein lies the problem.
Although the Catechism goes on to say that homosexuals are to be
"accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity" (2358), they are
also "called to chastity," as are any who would use the sexual act
outside of marriage, which is defined as the union of man and woman in
both the New and Old Testaments (1614). For his part, Mr. Sullivan
acknowledges the fact that this and other differences could lead to a
permanent fracture:
If this forces liberal Americans to leave the church, so be it. In 1970
Ratzinger wrote of the 18th-century church in Europe, reeling from the
Enlightenment, that it was "a church reduced in size and diminished in
social prestige, yet become fruitful from a new interior power, a power
that released formative forces for the individual and for society."
And this is his vision for the American Catholic Church in the future:
purged of wayward priests, lackadaisical believers and the liberal
throngs that still cling to Catholicism's basic tenets and rituals,
while differing with it on social, cultural and sexual issues.
I don't know which tenets Mr. Sullivan's throngs believe on earthly
matters that are outside social, cultural and sexual issues, but I do
know that no rituals would bear any significance without adherence to
church teaching on same.
Membership in the Catholic Church requires more than just the way in
which we believe in God. The Ten Commandments and other precepts of the
church exist to shape human behavior in order that its adherents may
follow Jesus Christ through the "narrow gate" to our father in heaven.
To believe otherwise is to say, "I believe that the church can help
save me, but I will choose how."
There are many, many churches that believe one can gain Christ's
salvation through various combinations of scripture, faith and grace,
but the Catholic Church cannot alter her doctrine based on changing
social mores or the wishes of her flock. To do so would be to deny her
whole history and reason for being.
Mr. Sullivan concludes his piece by predicting that the Pope's
elevation could throw gas on the flames that are America's culture wars
but that "modern, open-minded Catholics can only hope the church isn't
burnt in the process."
Given the casualties of those wars - 40 million lives aborted,
countless others euthanized and genetic engineering on the way - they
may just drive many lapsed Catholics back into the arms of the Pope's
church.
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| User: "The Other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Andrew Sullivan |
22 Aug 2005 07:31:43 PM |
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"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Pope and Andrew Sullivan
Lisa Fabrizio
Every Catholic on Earth is a sinner. From this writer up to and
including the newly installed Pope Benedict XVI. That we have the
church to steer us to our redeemer through the sacrament of penance and
reconciliation to forgive our sins, is a precious gift of grace from
God. It is this belief, along with many others, that unites us to what
we call the one true church.
Just fucking great. Yet another post about a bunch of self-loathing losers
that can't stand on their own two feet, accept responsibility for their own
actions, and live their lives in a decent manner without the fear of
reprisal from an Imaginary Diety looking over their shoulder.
It's no wonder you motherfuckers are such big fans of a police state: you've
got paranoia down to a fucking science. It's alarming to know that you are
one Sky Fairy away from becoming a child molester.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
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| User: "bam" |
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22 Aug 2005 07:42:28 PM |
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"The Other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw.com> wrote in message
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"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124754375.964276.208100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Pope and Andrew Sullivan
Lisa Fabrizio
Every Catholic on Earth is a sinner. From this writer up to and
including the newly installed Pope Benedict XVI. That we have the
church to steer us to our redeemer through the sacrament of penance and
reconciliation to forgive our sins, is a precious gift of grace from
God. It is this belief, along with many others, that unites us to what
we call the one true church.
Just fucking great. Yet another post about a bunch of self-loathing losers
that can't stand on their own two feet, accept responsibility for their
own actions, and live their lives in a decent manner without the fear of
reprisal from an Imaginary Diety looking over their shoulder.
It's no wonder you motherfuckers are such big fans of a police state:
you've got paranoia down to a fucking science. It's alarming to know that
you are one Sky Fairy away from becoming a child molester.
You a tough guy, Don?
BAM
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| User: "The Other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: The Pope and Andrew Sullivan |
22 Aug 2005 07:48:28 PM |
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"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"The Other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw.com> wrote in message
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"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124754375.964276.208100@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Pope and Andrew Sullivan
Lisa Fabrizio
Every Catholic on Earth is a sinner. From this writer up to and
including the newly installed Pope Benedict XVI. That we have the
church to steer us to our redeemer through the sacrament of penance and
reconciliation to forgive our sins, is a precious gift of grace from
God. It is this belief, along with many others, that unites us to what
we call the one true church.
Just fucking great. Yet another post about a bunch of self-loathing
losers that can't stand on their own two feet, accept responsibility for
their own actions, and live their lives in a decent manner without the
fear of reprisal from an Imaginary Diety looking over their shoulder.
It's no wonder you motherfuckers are such big fans of a police state:
you've got paranoia down to a fucking science. It's alarming to know that
you are one Sky Fairy away from becoming a child molester.
You a tough guy, Don?
BAM
If you're looking for rough, anal sex, you'll have to check with the RCC. I
do not care to facilitate your fantasies.
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| User: "bam" |
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22 Aug 2005 08:58:32 PM |
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"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Pope and Andrew Sullivan
Lisa Fabrizio
Every Catholic on Earth is a sinner. From this writer up to and
including the newly installed Pope Benedict XVI. That we have the
church to steer us to our redeemer through the sacrament of penance and
reconciliation to forgive our sins, is a precious gift of grace from
God. It is this belief, along with many others, that unites us to what
we call the one true church.
Just fucking great. Yet another post about a bunch of self-loathing
losers that can't stand on their own two feet, accept responsibility for
their own actions, and live their lives in a decent manner without the
fear of reprisal from an Imaginary Diety looking over their shoulder.
It's no wonder you motherfuckers are such big fans of a police state:
you've got paranoia down to a fucking science. It's alarming to know
that you are one Sky Fairy away from becoming a child molester.
You a tough guy, Don?
BAM
If you're looking for rough, anal sex, you'll have to check with the RCC.
I do not care to facilitate your fantasies.
Yeah, I thought you were a punk.
BAM
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23 Aug 2005 10:10:27 AM |
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"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Pope and Andrew Sullivan
Lisa Fabrizio
Every Catholic on Earth is a sinner. From this writer up to and
including the newly installed Pope Benedict XVI. That we have the
church to steer us to our redeemer through the sacrament of penance
and
reconciliation to forgive our sins, is a precious gift of grace from
God. It is this belief, along with many others, that unites us to what
we call the one true church.
Just fucking great. Yet another post about a bunch of self-loathing
losers that can't stand on their own two feet, accept responsibility
for their own actions, and live their lives in a decent manner without
the fear of reprisal from an Imaginary Diety looking over their
shoulder.
It's no wonder you motherfuckers are such big fans of a police state:
you've got paranoia down to a fucking science. It's alarming to know
that you are one Sky Fairy away from becoming a child molester.
You a tough guy, Don?
BAM
If you're looking for rough, anal sex, you'll have to check with the RCC.
I do not care to facilitate your fantasies.
Yeah, I thought you were a punk.
Liar. Every knows that "thinking" is outside your sphere of capabilities.
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| User: "bam" |
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23 Aug 2005 12:34:22 PM |
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"*** Rob Wade ***" <rob_c_wade_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Pope and Andrew Sullivan
Lisa Fabrizio
Every Catholic on Earth is a sinner. From this writer up to and
including the newly installed Pope Benedict XVI. That we have the
church to steer us to our redeemer through the sacrament of penance
and
reconciliation to forgive our sins, is a precious gift of grace from
God. It is this belief, along with many others, that unites us to
what
we call the one true church.
Just fucking great. Yet another post about a bunch of self-loathing
losers that can't stand on their own two feet, accept responsibility
for their own actions, and live their lives in a decent manner without
the fear of reprisal from an Imaginary Diety looking over their
shoulder.
It's no wonder you motherfuckers are such big fans of a police state:
you've got paranoia down to a fucking science. It's alarming to know
that you are one Sky Fairy away from becoming a child molester.
You a tough guy, Don?
BAM
If you're looking for rough, anal sex, you'll have to check with the
RCC. I do not care to facilitate your fantasies.
Yeah, I thought you were a punk.
Liar. Every knows that "thinking" is outside your sphere of capabilities.
Heavy heavy heavy.
BAM
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