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Science > Abortion |
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"revolutionarian" |
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21 Nov 2003 07:32:36 PM |
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The Pro-Life Hypocrisy |
It's nice that your helping to save all those innocent little angel
babies from their horable demon mothers. But, afterwards, how many of
those illegitimate babies are you planning to adopt? I only hope that
nobody who feels thay've been adversely effected by the booming
population decides to go bombing maternity wards.
"You can solve most of your problems just by burning all of your
bibles."
-Revolutionarian
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| User: "Richy _" |
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| Title: Couples waiting to adopt! |
21 Nov 2003 08:30:29 PM |
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you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
Richy
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
21 Nov 2003 09:09:04 PM |
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"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
22 Nov 2003 01:43:54 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even more than women?
---
Militant Agnostic:
I don't know and you don't either.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
22 Nov 2003 03:56:02 AM |
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Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<6t4urvkn269rdolq588vpvsts9d3l9v0cp@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even more than women?
Have you apologized yet for the lies you have said about me?
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| User: "Adam H." |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
22 Nov 2003 04:09:30 AM |
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On 22 Nov 2003 01:56:02 -0800, (osprey) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<6t4urvkn269rdolq588vpvsts9d3l9v0cp@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even more than women?
Have you apologized yet for the lies you have said about me?
Have you gotten over your sense of impotent self-importance and
managed to demonstrate one claim I've made that wasn't true?
---
Militant Agnostic:
I don't know and you don't either.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
22 Nov 2003 07:42:17 AM |
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"Adam H." <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:rddurvs41ft0s3ou4bv48afvoe08rsmppt@4ax.com...
On 22 Nov 2003 01:56:02 -0800, (osprey) wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:<6t4urvkn269rdolq588vpvsts9d3l9v0cp@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married
couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even more than women?
Have you apologized yet for the lies you have said about me?
Have you gotten over your sense of impotent self-importance and
managed to demonstrate one claim I've made that wasn't true?
You are still running. Don't want to be accountable for your comments.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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22 Nov 2003 03:10:11 PM |
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osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
Adam H. <adam@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:<6t4urvkn269rdolq588vpvsts9d3l9v0cp@4ax.com>...
"Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even more than women?
Have you apologized yet for the lies you have said about me?
Notice Heishman's cowardice. Again and again he has run away from
difficult questions by slandering people.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
22 Nov 2003 07:49:39 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
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| User: "Purple" |
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| Title: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
29 Nov 2003 08:46:45 PM |
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Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby, the adoptive parents are given the opportunity
to raise a child and the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life. Why do you have a problem with this?
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| User: "Patrick Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
29 Nov 2003 09:24:06 PM |
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(Purple) writes:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby, the adoptive parents are given the opportunity
to raise a child and the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life. Why do you have a problem with this?
You might want to point out precisely where she stated that she had a problem
with it -- and you might want to wonder why, if there are allegedly so many
prospective adoptive parents out there, are there still thousands of children
who grow into adulthood without ever being adopted in this country? (It may
be different for you in the UK, but in any case, the anti-aborts never seem to
have come up with a coherent answer to that question, either.) That choice is
already open to the pregnant woman who might not want to be, but she gets the
final choice on how to handle her situation -- if she chooses to give birth so
the child can be adopted, what's the problem? For quite a few of us,
"pro-choice" means just that, you know.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
30 Nov 2003 04:54:20 AM |
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On 29 Nov 2003 21:24:06 -0600, Patrick Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
purple2510@hotmail.com (Purple) writes:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby, the adoptive parents are given the opportunity
to raise a child and the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life. Why do you have a problem with this?
You might want to point out precisely where she stated that she had a problem
with it -- and you might want to wonder why, if there are allegedly so many
prospective adoptive parents out there, are there still thousands of children
who grow into adulthood without ever being adopted in this country? (It may
be different for you in the UK, but in any case, the anti-aborts never seem to
have come up with a coherent answer to that question, either.) That choice is
already open to the pregnant woman who might not want to be, but she gets the
final choice on how to handle her situation -- if she chooses to give birth so
the child can be adopted, what's the problem? For quite a few of us,
"pro-choice" means just that, you know.
And I agree with that whole-heartedly. I don't believe I should be
forced to gestate for infertile/childless families. On the other hand,
I have NO problem if the woman chooses to stay pregnancy/give birth
and willingly hands over the resulting child to whom she thinks might
give her child what he/she needs.
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| User: "Purple" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
30 Nov 2003 06:17:46 PM |
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Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<qtijsvg2grj5f5dbqpunijd702gaadi96f@4ax.com>...
On 29 Nov 2003 21:24:06 -0600, Patrick Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
purple2510@hotmail.com (Purple) writes:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby, the adoptive parents are given the opportunity
to raise a child and the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life. Why do you have a problem with this?
You might want to point out precisely where she stated that she had a problem
with it -- and you might want to wonder why, if there are allegedly so many
prospective adoptive parents out there, are there still thousands of children
who grow into adulthood without ever being adopted in this country? (It may
be different for you in the UK, but in any case, the anti-aborts never seem to
have come up with a coherent answer to that question, either.) That choice is
already open to the pregnant woman who might not want to be, but she gets the
final choice on how to handle her situation -- if she chooses to give birth so
the child can be adopted, what's the problem? For quite a few of us,
"pro-choice" means just that, you know.
And I agree with that whole-heartedly. I don't believe I should be
forced to gestate for infertile/childless families. On the other hand,
I have NO problem if the woman chooses to stay pregnancy/give birth
and willingly hands over the resulting child to whom she thinks might
give her child what he/she needs.
I think I must have projected ideas onto you, which you don't hold.
My apologies.
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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01 Dec 2003 01:42:19 PM |
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On 30 Nov 2003 16:17:46 -0800, (Purple) wrote:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<qtijsvg2grj5f5dbqpunijd702gaadi96f@4ax.com>...
On 29 Nov 2003 21:24:06 -0600, Patrick Humphrey <patrick@io.com>
wrote:
(Purple) writes:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby, the adoptive parents are given the opportunity
to raise a child and the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life. Why do you have a problem with this?
You might want to point out precisely where she stated that she had a problem
with it -- and you might want to wonder why, if there are allegedly so many
prospective adoptive parents out there, are there still thousands of children
who grow into adulthood without ever being adopted in this country? (It may
be different for you in the UK, but in any case, the anti-aborts never seem to
have come up with a coherent answer to that question, either.) That choice is
already open to the pregnant woman who might not want to be, but she gets the
final choice on how to handle her situation -- if she chooses to give birth so
the child can be adopted, what's the problem? For quite a few of us,
"pro-choice" means just that, you know.
And I agree with that whole-heartedly. I don't believe I should be
forced to gestate for infertile/childless families. On the other hand,
I have NO problem if the woman chooses to stay pregnancy/give birth
and willingly hands over the resulting child to whom she thinks might
give her child what he/she needs.
I think I must have projected ideas onto you, which you don't hold.
My apologies.
I am glad you questioned myviews, nevertheless.
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| User: "Purple" |
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30 Nov 2003 06:15:44 PM |
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Patrick Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message news:<szksmk6y1wp.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
purple2510@hotmail.com (Purple) writes:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby, the adoptive parents are given the opportunity
to raise a child and the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life. Why do you have a problem with this?
You might want to point out precisely where she stated that she had a problem
with it -- and you might want to wonder why, if there are allegedly so many
prospective adoptive parents out there, are there still thousands of children
who grow into adulthood without ever being adopted in this country? (It may
be different for you in the UK, but in any case, the anti-aborts never seem to
have come up with a coherent answer to that question, either.)
The UK has the same problem with children living out their lives in homes.
However I'm not sure whether this is because too few people wish to adopt
them or because 'Social Services' make it such an arduous procedure. Certainly
there are people who adopt oversees children over the internet in preference
to taking children out of the 'care' system.
That choice is
already open to the pregnant woman who might not want to be, but she gets the
final choice on how to handle her situation -- if she chooses to give birth so
the child can be adopted, what's the problem? For quite a few of us,
"pro-choice" means just that, you know.
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| User: "Patrick Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
30 Nov 2003 08:56:34 PM |
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(Purple) writes:
Patrick Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote in message news:<szksmk6y1wp.fsf@fnord.io.com>...
(Purple) writes:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby, the adoptive parents are given the opportunity
to raise a child and the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life. Why do you have a problem with this?
You might want to point out precisely where she stated that she had a
problem with it -- and you might want to wonder why, if there are allegedly
so many prospective adoptive parents out there, are there still thousands
of children who grow into adulthood without ever being adopted in this
country? (It may be different for you in the UK, but in any case, the
anti-aborts never seem to have come up with a coherent answer to that
question, either.)
The UK has the same problem with children living out their lives in homes.
However I'm not sure whether this is because too few people wish to adopt
them or because 'Social Services' make it such an arduous procedure. Certainly
there are people who adopt oversees children over the internet in preference
to taking children out of the 'care' system.
That seems to be the case on this side of the pond, as well, though to what
degree, I'm not sure. (I suspect part of the genesis of that situation
depends on the paperwork and regulation that occurs in some of the states, and
not in others, since there's no national agency as such for this issue.) It
would help if we had more people who were interested in adopting something
other than the perfect infant. A few commit themselves to that challenge, but
not enough to make an appreciable dent in the numbers.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Me" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
30 Nov 2003 07:39:56 AM |
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In article <9e034035.0311291846.62717fac@posting.google.com>,
(Purple) wrote:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message
news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby, the adoptive parents are given the opportunity
to raise a child and the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life. Why do you have a problem with this?
The problem for anti-choice people is that many parantless babies
are not adoptable. You hear the pro-liars say adoption is an alternative,
but that generally only applies when the baby is a healthy white male.
Those babies who're born with chronic birth defects, such as crack
babies, minorities, and so on do not have long lines of people who want
to adopt them.
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
30 Nov 2003 04:51:34 AM |
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On 29 Nov 2003 18:46:45 -0800, (Purple) wrote:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<jaqurvk8l8lmki8ij2db8lodmadm5abruk@4ax.com>...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:09:04 -0500, "Osprey" <noneedstoknow@mail.com>
wrote:
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
agreed
Even if that means the baby is ripped from its natural parents????
The baby's natural parents are given the opportunity to get rid of
an unwanted baby,
Where have I stated I had a problem with consentual adoption?
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
30 Nov 2003 07:46:59 AM |
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On 29 Nov 2003 18:46:45 -0800, (Purple) wrote:
I wanted to address this point, as well:
...the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life.
Realistically, what kind of life will an unadoptable child have? There
are scores of children awaiting loving homes and only to be passed off
by people who are specific in their selections of potential
sons/daughters.
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| User: "Purple" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
30 Nov 2003 06:19:09 PM |
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Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<h1tjsvsa6htbvjqtp11e53nnt4ob9kua1g@4ax.com>...
On 29 Nov 2003 18:46:45 -0800, (Purple) wrote:
I wanted to address this point, as well:
...the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life.
Realistically, what kind of life will an unadoptable child have?
Not a very happy one but probably better than no life at all.
There
are scores of children awaiting loving homes and only to be passed off
by people who are specific in their selections of potential
sons/daughters.
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| User: "Krisblake" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
30 Nov 2003 06:47:56 PM |
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On 30 Nov 2003 16:19:09 -0800, (Purple) wrote:
Krisblake <Krisblakemy2luvs@aol.com> wrote in message news:<h1tjsvsa6htbvjqtp11e53nnt4ob9kua1g@4ax.com>...
On 29 Nov 2003 18:46:45 -0800, (Purple) wrote:
I wanted to address this point, as well:
...the child is given the opportunity of experiencing
life.
Realistically, what kind of life will an unadoptable child have?
Not a very happy one but probably better than no life at all.
That's your opinion.
There
are scores of children awaiting loving homes and only to be passed off
by people who are specific in their selections of potential
sons/daughters.
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: Krisblake, what is your problem with adoption? |
01 Dec 2003 10:09:56 PM |
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Realistically, what kind of life will an unadoptable child have? There
are scores of children awaiting loving homes and only to be passed off
by people who are specific in their selections of potential
sons/daughters.
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Yep.......here are the stats for those morons who insist that 'adoption' is a
bloody cure-all
Here are some statistics on foster care and adoptions.
What were the ages of the children in foster care?
Mean Yrs 10.1
Median Yrs 10.6
Under 1 Yr 4% 22,957
1 - 5 Yrs 24% 130,857
6 - 10 Yrs 24% 127,711
11 - 15 Yrs 30% 160,419
16 -18 Yrs 17% 89,632
19 or more Yrs 2% 10,424
What were the placement settings of children in foster care?
Pre-Adoptive Home 4% 20,289
Foster Family Home (Relative) 24% 130,869
Foster Family Home (Non-Relative) 48% 260,384
Group Home 8% 43,084
Institution 10% 56,509
Supervised Independent Living 1% 5,068
Runaway 2% 9,112
Trial Home Visit 3% 16,685
What were the lengths of stay in foster care?
Mean Months 33
Median Months 19
Less than 1 Month 4% 22,512
1 - 5 Months 17% 91,533
6 - 11 Months 15% 82,935
12 - 17 Months 11% 60,915
18 - 23 Months 9% 46,144
24 - 29 Months 7% 38,340
30 - 35 Months 5% 29,233
3 - 4 Yrs 15% 79,171
5 Yrs or More 17% 91,217
What were the case goals of the children in foster care?
Reunify with Parent(s) or Principal Caretaker(s) 44% 241,051
Live with Other Relative(s) 5% 26,555
Adoption 22% 116,653
Long Term Foster Care 8% 45,792
Emancipation 6% 32,309
Guardianship 3% 17,624
Case Plan Goal Not Yet Established 11% 62,014
What was the race/ethnicity of the children in foster care?
AI/AN Non-Hispanic 2% 10,106
Asian Non-Hispanic 1% 3,649
Black Non-Hispanic 38% 204,973
Hawaiian/PI Non-Hispanic 0% 1,551
Hispanic 17% 89,785
White Non-Hispanic 37% 203,222
UnKnown/Unable to Determine 3% 17,235
Two or More Races Non-Hispanic 2% 11,479
What was the gender of the children in foster care?
Male 52% 283,854
Female 48% 258,146
How many children entered foster care during FY 2001? 290,000
How many children exited foster care during FY 2001? 263,000
What were the lengths of stay of the children who exited foster care during FY
2001?Mean Months 22.1
Median Months 11.8
Less than 1 Month 19% 50,300
1 - 5 Months 17% 44,969
6 - 11 Months 14% 37,707
12 - 17 Months 11% 29,270
18 - 23 Months 8% 20,833
24 - 29 Months 6% 15,234
30 - 35 Months 5% 12,146
3 - 4 Yrs 11% 28,604
5 Yrs or More 9% 23,936
How many children were adopted from the public foster care system in FY 2001?
50,000
How old were the children when they were adopted from the public foster care
system?
Mean Yrs 6.9
Median Yrs 6.3
Less than 1 Yr 2% 993
1-5 Yrs 46% 22,942
6-10 Yrs 34% 16,759
11-15 Yrs 16% 8,075
16-18 Yrs 2% 1,181
19 or more Yrs 0% 51
How many months did it take after termination of parental rights for the
children to be adopted?Mean Months 16
Median Months 12
Less than 1 Month 3% 1,749
1-5 Months 17% 8,683
6-11 Months 28% 13,845
12-17 Months 20% 9,954
18-23 Months 12% 6,153
24-29 Months 7% 3,722
30-35 Months 4% 2,027
3-4 Yrs 6% 2,922
5 or more Yrs 2% 945
What was the relationship of the adoptive parents to the child prior to the
adoption?
Non-Relative 17% 8,699
Foster Parent 59% 29,501
Step-Parent 0% 131
Other Relative 23% 11,670
What is the family structure of the child's adoptive family?
Married Couple 67% 33,251
Unmarried Couple 1% 664
Single Female 30% 14,975
Single Male 2% 1,110
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for Children and
Families,
Administration on Children, Youth and Families, Children's Bureau,
www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb.
Preliminary Estimates for FY 2001 as of March 2003 (8)
I’m going to highlight two specific issues out of these statisics:
What were the case goals of the children in foster care?
Reunify with Parent(s) or Principal Caretaker(s) 44% 241,051
Live with Other Relative(s) 5% 26,555
Adoption 22% 116,653
Long Term Foster Care 8% 45,792
Emancipation 6% 32,309
Guardianship 3% 17,624
Case Plan Goal Not Yet Established 11% 62,014
Okay ... that part is noted, because this next part is of vital importance.
How many children were adopted from the public foster care system in FY
2001? 50,000
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
22 Nov 2003 10:57:02 PM |
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"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
There's lots of kids available in foster care, so why don't they adopt?
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
Richy
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| User: "Purple" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
29 Nov 2003 08:35:26 PM |
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"--sexkitten--" <ladyhawk_twofuckspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bppeo3$1rruns$1@ID-163025.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
There's lots of kids available in foster care, so why don't they adopt?
I'm guessing the problem is that the authorities are too picky about who
they allow to adopt. Sure there is always a risk of bad parenting just as
there is for non-adopted children but this risk must be balanced against
the child's need for a proper family and the higher risk of child abuse
within a home.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
Richy
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| User: "Louis" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
24 Nov 2003 04:02:41 PM |
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--sexkitten-- <ladyhawk_twofuckspam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24693-3FBECA45-77@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net...
you dont have to worry about adoption. there are good married couples
standing in line to adopt.
There's lots of kids available in foster care, so why don't they adopt?
Absolutely, lets not forget the many millions around the world
in a similar circumstance. The subject should be changed to
WAY More Children are waiting to be Adopted.
first let's make sure the baby's life is saved. that's the most
important!
Richy
And what happens afterward is of little concequence?
Like the health of the mother, baby and society?
"Neglect of an effective birth control policy is a never-failing
source of poverty which, in turn, is the parent of revolution
and crime." - Aristotle, Politics, c. 350BC
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| User: "Richy _" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
28 Nov 2003 07:12:55 PM |
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It's only responsible for a mother to put her child's life above her
own!
If she's a fit mother, that's exactly what she'll do--risk her own life,
to save her baby's!!!
Richy
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
28 Nov 2003 10:36:31 PM |
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"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:3714-3FC7F297-402@storefull-2216.public.lawson.webtv.net...
It's only responsible for a mother to put her child's life above her
own!
Bull. What if she has other kids?
If she's a fit mother, that's exactly what she'll do--risk her own life,
to save her baby's!!!
Since when did suicididal tendencies qualify you as a fit parent?
Richy
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| User: "Patrick Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
28 Nov 2003 10:16:07 PM |
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(Richy _) writes:
It's only responsible for a mother to put her child's life above her
own!
If she's a fit mother, that's exactly what she'll do--risk her own life,
to save her baby's!!!
That's her decision to make -- not yours, Oral.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: Couples waiting to adopt! |
28 Nov 2003 07:53:35 PM |
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If she's a fit mother, that's exactly what she'll do--risk her own life,
to save her baby's!!!
*****
Baby yes........fetus, no
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| User: "Richy _" |
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| Title: MizzyAndrea, Jesus will forgive! |
28 Nov 2003 11:07:57 PM |
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Andrea,
how long has it been since you had your abortion?
no one would defend abortion without having (somehow) taken part in one.
I understand that you wouldn't want to admit it openly, but understand
that Jesus will forgive you (or anyone who has had one) of it!!!
"...if we confess our sins (not to a priest, but to God. Jesus said we
could be all alone and pray!), He is faithful...to forgive us our sins"
(1 John 1:9/ Holy Bible)
and as far as abortion being legal, not for long Andrea. we now live in
a (conservatively governed) country that is moving to make it a
crime--as it truly is a crime!
for those who are offended by the mention of Jesus, you best seek His
forgiveness.
He will be your Judge?
"for we shall all stand before the judgement seat of Christ. As I Live,
saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall
confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to
God" (Rom 14:10c-12)
Richy
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: MizzyAndrea, Jesus will forgive! |
29 Nov 2003 01:39:06 AM |
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"Richy _" <Richy04@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11719-3FC829AD-291@storefull-2218.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Andrea,
how long has it been since you had your abortion?
no one would defend abortion without having (somehow) taken part in one.
Does that mean the men here have had abortions? How do you figure?
I understand that you wouldn't want to admit it openly, but understand
that Jesus will forgive you (or anyone who has had one) of it!!!
Why would I care what a dead guy might think of me?
"...if we confess our sins (not to a priest, but to God. Jesus said we
could be all alone and pray!), He is faithful...to forgive us our sins"
(1 John 1:9/ Holy Bible)
and as far as abortion being legal, not for long Andrea. we now live in
a (conservatively governed) country that is moving to make it a
crime--as it truly is a crime!
for those who are offended by the mention of Jesus, you best seek His
forgiveness.
He will be your Judge?
The question mark is not just telling but somewhat wise.
"for we shall all stand before the judgement seat of Christ. As I Live,
saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall
confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to
God" (Rom 14:10c-12)
Richy
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