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On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 16:03:06 GMT,
"Peter Thames" <nzsahouse@ntlworld.com> wrote:

This is my view on abortion. An egg by its self is only

cells,

sperm by its self is only wiggling cells, so apart there is no
life.

ALL organic matter is either alive ot it is deal.

So -- ell us how something that is DEAD "wiggles."

That nonsensical "life begins at fertilization" that the

hateful

and mindless Anti-Choicers to desperately spew is one of the
greatest examples of their utter BULLCRAP.

And since gametes ARE human, unique, and alive... and comprise
Stage One of the reproductive process... and since the

Anti-Choicers

look the other way while more than a QUADRILLION of those
*potential*
people are electively aborted DAILY, worldwide, by men -- that

makes

Anti-Choicers some of the most profoundly HYPOCRTICAL crowds on
the planet.

Sorry, but they aren't human by themselves. There is no human until
conception.

Why's that? Because you *DEMAND* it in a futile effort to make your

stupid

stories hold water? You dolts try your damndest to to draw fine
lines
where
you want, then use broad generalizations where it suits you.

Your "rules," "interpretations" and opinions don't mean ***** when a

woman

is
discussing her pregnancy with her doctor, and how she determines the
course
of her life.

It does when her "choices" mean killing another innocent human being.

If that's what *YOU* want to call it, that is entirely your
prerogative.
That doesn't give it a shred of legitimacy.

I call it what it is.

Fine. I'll call you a fucking moron, and I have the evidence to back it
up:
your own words.

Then I will call you a genocidal maniac.

So ***** you. ***** you eternally.

To say otherwise is absurd

When the fetus draws a breath on its own, *THEN* is no longer a
parasite
on
the woman's body. *THEN* it becomes a "person." You can use all the
wailing
wall lies and smarmy stories you want, but without the woman, the

fetus

dies.

Parasite: (www.m-w.com)
2 : an organism living in, with, or on another organism
3 : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on
something else for existence or support without making a useful or
adequate
return

Medicine and science don't give a ***** about the emotional labels
you
idiots
insist on attaching to things.

A new born baby also depends on others for it support. It CANNOT

survive
on

its own. Do you think we should be able to kill newborns too?

Apples to oranges, dumbfuck. Irrelevant reference.

As a fetus, if the woman dies, so does the parasite. Ten seconds after
birth, though, ANYONE can give support.

In fact, my neice has twin babies in ICU of a hospital here in Austin
(SAMC,
iirc) .

Did you get your niece pregnant again Donald? How long will it be before

you

learn to keep your fucking to yourself?

Lame.

Is that the best you liars can do? ....make up more lies?

At least you didn't deny it. So was your neice better than your wife?

Lana wasn't even allowed to hold them for the first day. Here we

are, three weeks later and Lana can still only visit them in the

hospital.

She isn't "supporting" them. A nursing staff *IS*.

So there's some more bullet holes to your sinking shitpot.

Actually you did not disprove anything. The fact remains that someone
must
give support to the newborn.

"Someone."

No. I actually proved my point quite well. You are making an invalid
comparison.

Why is it invalid? The fact is that someone has to take care of that baby.
Why can't you kill it until it become dependant on no one? Are you really so
stupid?

In order to be consistant you have to agree
that a child can be killed for as long as it is dependant on someone.

Nope.

So you deny consistancy? You are even a a bigger moron that I originally
thought.

Either
that, on not at all. Choose whichever you want, but at least be

consistant.

Why don't you try to invoke some truth?

You are an idiot. That's truth for you. Yuo support murdering unborn
children. That's truth. You fucked yuor neice. That's truth. Have you had
enough truth today?

After birth, anyone can give nourishment to a child and it will survive.

The poin is the child still remains dependant on someone. If dependancy is
your reason for advocating abortion, you should at least be consistant.

When the woman is pregnant, that isn't the case.

Are you intentionally not seeing where you're full of *****, or are you so
full of ***** that you can't see?

You are the one that started bringing up the *****.

if you can't prove it with something
other than a made up article that you yourself wrote. That means
something
by an accredited university or scientific journal.

I find it surprising that you idiots can even pronounce "scientific
journal." All you ever quote is bleeding-heart nonsense, pathetic

lies,

and
moronic anecdotes from pro-liar, women-hating religious websites.

None
of

which comes close to explaining why you people want to exercise

control

over
women you've never met, and whose decisions you don't have to live
with.

I suppose you have never made a spelling error in your life.

Where the ***** did this come from?

You sure say ***** a lot.

Do you have a fucking point? It is merely an arrangement of consonants and
vowels, used as either an adverb, pronoun or an adjective, depending on
context.

Go back to fucking yourself Don. You're an idiot.

Do you enjoy fucking yourself or something?

Nope. But you certainly are a fucking hypocrite....whining like a little
***** about profanity, while using it yourself.

Either
way, it would be nice if you keep it private.

Go ***** yourself.

Sorry Don, I'm not you. You are the only person I know who does that?

Are you finally admitting that you are completely in error, but trying

to

find imperfection in others to justify your incompetence?

I am admitting that at least prolifers have produced proof of what we
believe.

Most of which can be cured by an ***** stomping originating from sticking
your
nose in someone else's business.

Bring it on *****. Bring it to Wichita KS if you are man enough. Otherwise
quit bitching about my ***** stomping I need and get back to your corner
*****. You will be put in your place if you do.

You have nothing to go on other than what you write yourself.

What is there to prove to tell you to mind your own fucking business?

Still no proof for Donald there.

Are you trying to justify enslaving a woman to YOUR whims and stupidity?

If you mean I should put a babys life above that of a woman for 9 months
verses murdering the baby, I say sure. If you want to call it slavery go
ahead. It don't change anything. You seem to like killing a lot Donald, why
don't you kill yourself? Or better yet bring your ***** here and try something
with me and let me do it.

And to correct you, it is you that is responsible for the burden of
proof.
The reason being your actions end a life or at least have the possibility

of

ending a life.

No fucktard. You idiots want to play word games and call a fetus "innocent
life" or "baby" doesn't give it an ounce of credibility.

You're starting with a false premise, and demanding that I not only prove
your invalid and unproven premise wrong, but also go so far as to prove
why
you should butt out and leave women to make their own decisions.

Proof has been produced repeatedly. You just deny what you do not like. You
are blind as a bat and one day you are going to fly into a wall.

Just like you don't explode a nuclear weapon in the desert
without making sure the area you want to explode it in is unpopulated,
you
don't abort fetus's without being able to make sure that you are not

killing

anyone. You have not proven this. Prove conclusively that you are not
killing anyone by abortion and I will get off your case.

"Prove a negative." The tactic of the clueless.

I yet to see
ANY proof from you, other than the stuff you write yourself that is.

Pardon? I don't have to PROVE a fucking thing.

You sure say ***** a lot. You really should do something about that
problem
you have with fucking yourself.

More lame ***** from a clueless moron. I'll take this non-answer to mean
that
you can justify why you demand that women you've never met are somehow
expected to comply with your ineptitude.

Go back to fucking yourself Donald. You are obviously much better at that
than you are thinking.

*YOU* want to interfere with the lives of total strangers. It is

incumbent

upon *YOU* to give proof to justify it. In the sanctity of a woman's

mind

and making decisions that affect her life, no amount of proof gives you

a

reason to interfere in any way.

If my wife and I were in a position to make a decision regarding her
pregnancy, I wouldn't give a rat's-***** what your opinion was, nor give
a
***** about your inept "medical" views.....and I don't have to *prove*

why

you should *****.

And I will protect every other woman's right to make her own choice
without
interference from a control-freak like you.

Your response was rife with everything from your typical ***** to your
typical lies, including, but not limited to, irrelevant responses and
juvenile tampering with the original wording of my post without proper
reference.

Not one piece of information or evidence to justify why YOU get to choose
the course of SOMEONE ELSE'S life.

And yet again I see not one peice of evidence produced to prove that a human
being is not killed every time an abortion is induced. Go ***** yourself
Donald.

--
-Donald in Austin

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On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 16:03:06 GMT,
"Peter Thames" <nzsahouse@ntlworld.com> wrote:

This is my view on abortion. An egg by its self is only

cells,

sperm by its self is only wiggling cells, so apart there is no
life.

ALL organic matter is either alive ot it is deal.

So -- ell us how something that is DEAD "wiggles."

That nonsensical "life begins at fertilization" that the

hateful

and mindless Anti-Choicers to desperately spew is one of the
greatest examples of their utter BULLCRAP.

And since gametes ARE human, unique, and alive... and comprise
Stage One of the reproductive process... and since the

Anti-Choicers

look the other way while more than a QUADRILLION of those
*potential*
people are electively aborted DAILY, worldwide, by men -- that

makes

Anti-Choicers some of the most profoundly HYPOCRTICAL crowds on
the planet.

Sorry, but they aren't human by themselves. There is no human until
conception.

Why's that? Because you *DEMAND* it in a futile effort to make your

stupid

stories hold water? You dolts try your damndest to to draw fine
lines
where
you want, then use broad generalizations where it suits you.

Your "rules," "interpretations" and opinions don't mean ***** when a

woman

is
discussing her pregnancy with her doctor, and how she determines the
course
of her life.

It does when her "choices" mean killing another innocent human being.

If that's what *YOU* want to call it, that is entirely your
prerogative.
That doesn't give it a shred of legitimacy.

I call it what it is.

Fine. I'll call you a fucking moron, and I have the evidence to back it
up:
your own words.

Then I will call you a genocidal maniac.

So ***** you. ***** you eternally.

To say otherwise is absurd

When the fetus draws a breath on its own, *THEN* is no longer a
parasite
on
the woman's body. *THEN* it becomes a "person." You can use all the
wailing
wall lies and smarmy stories you want, but without the woman, the

fetus

dies.

Parasite: (www.m-w.com)
2 : an organism living in, with, or on another organism
3 : something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on
something else for existence or support without making a useful or
adequate
return

Medicine and science don't give a ***** about the emotional labels
you
idiots
insist on attaching to things.

A new born baby also depends on others for it support. It CANNOT

survive

on

its own. Do you think we should be able to kill newborns too?

Apples to oranges, dumbfuck. Irrelevant reference.

As a fetus, if the woman dies, so does the parasite. Ten seconds after
birth, though, ANYONE can give support.

In fact, my neice has twin babies in ICU of a hospital here in Austin
(SAMC,
iirc) .

Did you get your niece pregnant again Donald? How long will it be before

you

learn to keep your fucking to yourself?

Lame.

Is that the best you liars can do? ....make up more lies?

At least you didn't deny it. So was your neice better than your wife?

Lana wasn't even allowed to hold them for the first day. Here we

are, three weeks later and Lana can still only visit them in the

hospital.

She isn't "supporting" them. A nursing staff *IS*.

So there's some more bullet holes to your sinking shitpot.

Actually you did not disprove anything. The fact remains that someone
must
give support to the newborn.

"Someone."

No. I actually proved my point quite well. You are making an invalid
comparison.

Why is it invalid? The fact is that someone has to take care of that baby.
Why can't you kill it until it become dependant on no one? Are you really so
stupid?

In order to be consistant you have to agree
that a child can be killed for as long as it is dependant on someone.

Nope.

So you deny consistancy? You are even a a bigger moron that I originally
thought.

Either
that, on not at all. Choose whichever you want, but at least be

consistant.

Why don't you try to invoke some truth?

You are an idiot. That's truth for you. Yuo support murdering unborn
children. That's truth. You fucked yuor neice. That's truth. Have you had
enough truth today?

After birth, anyone can give nourishment to a child and it will survive.

The poin is the child still remains dependant on someone. If dependancy is
your reason for advocating abortion, you should at least be consistant.

When the woman is pregnant, that isn't the case.

Are you intentionally not seeing where you're full of *****, or are you so
full of ***** that you can't see?

You are the one that started bringing up the *****.

if you can't prove it with something
other than a made up article that you yourself wrote. That means
something
by an accredited university or scientific journal.

I find it surprising that you idiots can even pronounce "scientific
journal." All you ever quote is bleeding-heart nonsense, pathetic

lies,

and
moronic anecdotes from pro-liar, women-hating religious websites.

None

of

which comes close to explaining why you people want to exercise

control

over
women you've never met, and whose decisions you don't have to live
with.

I suppose you have never made a spelling error in your life.

Where the ***** did this come from?

You sure say ***** a lot.

Do you have a fucking point? It is merely an arrangement of consonants and
vowels, used as either an adverb, pronoun or an adjective, depending on
context.

Go back to fucking yourself Don. You're an idiot.

Do you enjoy fucking yourself or something?

Nope. But you certainly are a fucking hypocrite....whining like a little
***** about profanity, while using it yourself.

Either
way, it would be nice if you keep it private.

Go ***** yourself.

Sorry Don, I'm not you. You are the only person I know who does that?

Are you finally admitting that you are completely in error, but trying

to

find imperfection in others to justify your incompetence?

I am admitting that at least prolifers have produced proof of what we
believe.

Most of which can be cured by an ***** stomping originating from sticking
your
nose in someone else's business.

Bring it on *****. Bring it to Wichita KS if you are man enough. Otherwise
quit bitching about my ***** stomping I need and get back to your corner
*****. You will be put in your place if you do.

You have nothing to go on other than what you write yourself.

What is there to prove to tell you to mind your own fucking business?

Still no proof for Donald there.

Are you trying to justify enslaving a woman to YOUR whims and stupidity?

If you mean I should put a babys life above that of a woman for 9 months
verses murdering the baby, I say sure. If you want to call it slavery go
ahead. It don't change anything. You seem to like killing a lot Donald, why
don't you kill yourself? Or better yet bring your ***** here and try something
with me and let me do it.

And to correct you, it is you that is responsible for the burden of
proof.
The reason being your actions end a life or at least have the possibility

of

ending a life.

No fucktard. You idiots want to play word games and call a fetus "innocent
life" or "baby" doesn't give it an ounce of credibility.

You're starting with a false premise, and demanding that I not only prove
your invalid and unproven premise wrong, but also go so far as to prove
why
you should butt out and leave women to make their own decisions.

Proof has been produced repeatedly. You just deny what you do not like. You
are blind as a bat and one day you are going to fly into a wall.

Just like you don't explode a nuclear weapon in the desert
without making sure the area you want to explode it in is unpopulated,
you
don't abort fetus's without being able to make sure that you are not

killing

anyone. You have not proven this. Prove conclusively that you are not
killing anyone by abortion and I will get off your case.

"Prove a negative." The tactic of the clueless.

I yet to see
ANY proof from you, other than the stuff you write yourself that is.

Pardon? I don't have to PROVE a fucking thing.

You sure say ***** a lot. You really should do something about that
problem
you have with fucking yourself.

More lame ***** from a clueless moron. I'll take this non-answer to mean
that
you can justify why you demand that women you've never met are somehow
expected to comply with your ineptitude.

Go back to fucking yourself Donald. You are obviously much better at that
than you are thinking.

*YOU* want to interfere with the lives of total strangers. It is

incumbent

upon *YOU* to give proof to justify it. In the sanctity of a woman's

mind

and making decisions that affect her life, no amount of proof gives you

a

reason to interfere in any way.

If my wife and I were in a position to make a decision regarding her
pregnancy, I wouldn't give a rat's-***** what your opinion was, nor give
a
***** about your inept "medical" views.....and I don't have to *prove*

why

you should *****.

And I will protect every other woman's right to make her own choice
without
interference from a control-freak like you.

Your response was rife with everything from your typical ***** to your
typical lies, including, but not limited to, irrelevant responses and
juvenile tampering with the original wording of my post without proper
reference.

Not one piece of information or evidence to justify why YOU get to choose
the course of SOMEONE ELSE'S life.

And yet again I see not one peice of evidence produced to prove that a human
being is not killed every time an abortion is induced.