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"J Young" |
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23 Aug 2007 12:03:51 AM |
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The Truth about Pope Pius XII |
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi. Neither was
he inactive nor silent. As a member of the Catholic Church, I resent the
blatant accusations against the diplomacy of the Pope and the Church during
World War II. This is not only indecent journalism but it also an injustice
toward a man who saved more Jews than any other person, including Oscar
Schindler and Raoul Wallenberg. Unfortunately even in the new Holocaust
Museum at Battery Park in New York City the Pope is unjustly criticized. It
is historically inaccurate to charge him with "silence."
Should the media be allowed to perpetuate such falsehoods? Documents prove
that these misrepresentations are untrue. Pius XII spoke out as much as he
could, and was able to do more with actions than with words. To the very
end, he was convinced that, should he denounce Hitler publicly, there would
be retaliation. And there was. Whenever protests were made, treatment of
prisoners worsened immediately. Robert Kempner, the American who served as
deputy chief of the Nuremburg war-crimes tribunal, wrote: "All the arguments
and writings eventually used by the Catholic Church against Hitler only
provoked suicide; the execution of Jews was followed by that of Catholic
priests."
Pius XII-through his public discourses, his appeals to governments, and his
secret diplomacy-was engaged more than any other individual in the effort to
curb the war and rebuild the peace. Documents show that Pius XII was in
contact with the German generals who sought to overthrow Hitler. Documents
also show that the Jewish community received enormous help: Pius XII's
personal funds ransomed Jews from Nazis. Papal representatives in Croatia,
Hungary, and Romania intervened to stop deportations. The Pope called for a
peace conference involving Italy, France, England, Germany, and Poland in
1939, in a last-minute bid to avert bloodshed.
An interesting document is the testimony of Albert Einstein who,
disenchanted by the silence of universities and editors of newspapers,
stated in Time magazine (December 23, 1940): "Only the Church stood squarely
across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. .The Church
alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth
and moral freedom." Indeed, executing the directives of Pope Pius XII,
religious men and women opened their doors to save the Jews.
Never were the Jews and the Vatican so close as during World War II. The
Vatican was the only place on the continent where they had any friends. Pope
Pius XII's response to the plight of the Jews was to save as many as
possible. Yet little has been done to stop the criticism of Pius XII that
began in 1963, when Rolf Hochhuth portrayed him as a Nazi collaborator in
the play "The Deputy." In contrast to the image suggested by this play,
Vatican records indicate that the Church operated an underground railroad
that rescued 800,000 European Jews from the Holocaust. After a careful study
of available documents, whoever is interested in the truth will no longer
condemn the actions of Pope Pius XII's words and the Catholic Church during
this tragic period.
An honest evaluation of Pope Pius XII's words and actions will exonerate him
from false accusations and show that he has been unjustly maligned. The Pope
neither favored nor was favored by the Nazis. The day after his election
(March 3, 1939), the Nazi newspaper, Berliner Morganpost stated its position
clearly: "the election of Cardinal Pacelli is not accepted with favor in
Germany because he was always opposed to Nazism."
The New York Times editorial (December 25, 1942) was specific: "The voice of
Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe
this Christmas...He is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe
who dares to raise his voice at all." The Pope's Christmas message was also
interpreted in the Gestapo report: "in a manner never known before...the
Pope has repudiated the National Socialist New European Order [Nazism]. It
is true, the Pope does not refer to the National Socialists in Germany by
name, but his speech is one long attack on everything we stand for. .Here he
is clearly speaking on behalf of the Jews." Perhaps the rest of the world
should interpret the Pope's words as they were meant and, undoubtedly,
correctly understood by the Nazis, i.e.: POPE PIUS XII WAS ALWAYS OPPOSED TO
NAZISM.
The Jewish Community publicly acknowledged the wisdom of Pope Pius XII's
diplomacy. In September 1945, Dr. Joseph Nathan-who represented the Hebrew
Commission-stated "Above all, we acknowledge the Supreme Pontiff and the
religious men and women who, executing the directives of the Holy Father,
recognized the persecuted as their brothers and, with great abnegation,
hastened to help them, disregarding the terrible dangers to which they were
exposed." In 1958, at the death of Pope Pius XII, Golda Meir sent an
eloquent message: "We share in the grief of humanity. .When fearful
martyrdom came to our people, the voice of the Pope was raised for its
victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out about
great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great
servant of peace."
On the Church and the Holocaust
Excerpts from books and periodicals that have covered this subject:
The foremost Jewish Scholar of the Holocaust at its height in Hungary, Jeno
Levai, insisted some years ago that it was a "particularly regrettable irony
that the one person in all of occupied Europe who did more than anyone else
to halt the dreadful crime and alleviate its consequences is today made the
scapegoat for the failures of others."
The Israeli diplomat and scholar Pinchas Lapide concluded his careful review
of Pius XII's wartime activities with the following words: "The Catholic
Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving lives of
as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands." He went on to add
that this "figure far exceeds those saved by all other Churches and rescue
organizations combined." After recounting statements of appreciation from a
variety of preeminent Jewish spokespersons, he noted. "No Pope in history
has been thanked more heartily by Jews . . . .Several suggested in open
letters that a Pope Pius XII forest of 860,000 trees be planted on the hills
of Judea in order to fittingly honor the memory of the late Pontiff ("Three
Popes and the Jews" pp. 214-215)." Levai in his own book did not hesitate to
argue that the attacks on the Pope's wartime record are "demonstrably
malicious and fabricated . . . . The archives of the Vatican of diocesan
authorities of Ribbentrop's foreign ministry, contain a whole series of
protests-direct and indirect, diplomatic and public, secret and open. The
nuncios and bishops of the Catholic Church intervened again and again on the
instructions of the Pope," he wrote. Their interventions were just as
unsuccessful as the demands and threats of the British and American
governments. Moreover, the delicacy of the matter was often heightened by
the fact that such protests could put Jews themselves and their protectors
at additional corporal risk.
Hungarian Jews and the Papacy: The former chief rabbi of Rome during the
German occupation, Emilio Zolli, concluded his firsthand account of wartime
events thus: "Volumes could be written on the multiform works of Pius XII,
and the countless priests, religious and laity who stood with him throughout
the world during the war." "No hero," he said, "in all of history was more
militant, more fought against, none more heroic, than Pius XII in pursuing
the works of true charity . . . and thus on behalf of all the suffering
children of God." Zolli was so moved by Pius XII's work that he became a
Catholic after the war and took the Pope's name (Before the Dawn). Lapide
acknowledged in his book that the Church "in an endless flood of sermons,
allocutions, pastoral letters and encyclicals was a clear and unrelenting
foe to all forms of racism at the time, and everyone knew it-Jews, Poles,
Russians and most ominously the Nazi secret police." Their files mention
recalcitrant Catholic clergy in this regard more than any other group.
The New York Times in its Christmas editorials of 1941 and 1942 praised Pius
XII for his moral leadership as a "lonely voice crying out of the silence of
a continent" and for, among other things, assailing "the violent occupation
of territory, and the exile and persecution of human beings, for no other
reason than race." No other institution produced more heroes during the
Holocaust than the Church: Italian, Slovak, French, Hungarian priests, nuns,
and laypersons who risked and often gave their lives for the sake of
persecuted Jews. This too deserves remembrance and respect.
Golda Meir, Israel's representative to the United Nations, was the first of
the delegates to react to the news of Pope Pius XII's death. She sent an
eloquent message: "We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of
His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords
he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom
came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was
raised for its victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice
speaking out about great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We
mourn a great servant of peace."
Leonard Bernstein, on learning of Pope Pius XII's death while conducting his
orchestra in New York's Carnegie Hall, tapped his baton for a moment of
silence to pay tribute to the Pope who had saved the lives of so many people
without distinction of race, nationality, or religion.
The great Jewish physicist, Albert Einstein, who himself barely escaped
annihilation at Nazi hands, made the point well in 1944 when he said, "Being
a lover of freedom, when the Nazi revolution came in Germany, I looked to
the universities to defend it, but the universities were immediately
silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, but they,
like the universities were silenced in a few short weeks. Then I looked to
individual writers . . . . they too were mute. Only the Church," Einstein
concluded, "stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for
suppressing the truth. . . . I never had any special interest in the Church
before, but now I feel great affection and admiration . . . . and am forced
thus to confess that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly."
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J Young
younginsights@aol.com
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23 Aug 2007 08:32:05 AM |
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Loves "Hitler's Pope", "J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
news:faj4ku01s52@news3.newsguy.com...
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
You've already posted this, "J".
Several times, in fact:
From: "Lord Howard Hertz" <lordhowardhertz@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.liberalism,alt.society.liberalism,seattle.politics,soc.culture.israel
Subject: New Vatican Archival Evidence Vindicates Pope Pius XII
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:37:36 -0400
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From: "Auric Hellman" <adhellman@volcanomail.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.atheism,alt.politics.usa,nyc.politics
Subject: Pius XII: Saintly defender of European Jews
Date: 30 Jan 2005 20:17:28 -0800
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Alzheimers?
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23 Aug 2007 09:34:58 PM |
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"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Loves "Hitler's Pope", "J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
news:faj4ku01s52@news3.newsguy.com...
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
You've already posted this, "J".
Several times, in fact:
From: "Lord Howard Hertz" <lordhowardhertz@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.liberalism,alt.society.liberalism,seattle.politics,soc.culture.israel
Subject: New Vatican Archival Evidence Vindicates Pope Pius XII
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:37:36 -0400
Message-ID: <wbOdncBUUPg8_LPYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com>
From: "Auric Hellman" <adhellman@volcanomail.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.atheism,alt.politics.usa,nyc.politics
Subject: Pius XII: Saintly defender of European Jews
Date: 30 Jan 2005 20:17:28 -0800
Message-ID: <1107145048.895806.227670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Alzheimers?
OCD.
Smiler,
The godless one
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23 Aug 2007 09:53:34 PM |
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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in message
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"LC" <LC_____@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Loves "Hitler's Pope", "J Young" <younginsights@aol.com> wrote in message
news:faj4ku01s52@news3.newsguy.com...
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
You've already posted this, "J".
Several times, in fact:
From: "Lord Howard Hertz" <lordhowardhertz@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.liberalism,alt.society.liberalism,seattle.politics,soc.culture.israel
Subject: New Vatican Archival Evidence Vindicates Pope Pius XII
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:37:36 -0400
Message-ID: <wbOdncBUUPg8_LPYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@giganews.com>
From: "Auric Hellman" <adhellman@volcanomail.com>
Newsgroups:
soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.atheism,alt.politics.usa,nyc.politics
Subject: Pius XII: Saintly defender of European Jews
Date: 30 Jan 2005 20:17:28 -0800
Message-ID: <1107145048.895806.227670@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
Alzheimers?
OCD.
Obsessive Catlick in Denial?
<g>
Smiler,
The godless one
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23 Aug 2007 12:41:47 AM |
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On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi. Neither =
was
he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
And once again, he makes sure to include soc.culture.jewish within the
destinators...
Once a nazi turd, always a nazi turd...
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23 Aug 2007 03:05:47 AM |
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In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi. Neither =
was
he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
• Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
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23 Aug 2007 09:59:21 AM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither =
was
he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
Yes because they were Catholics!
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23 Aug 2007 11:29:41 AM |
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In article <Nghzi.42717$Lu.34244@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Bill M"
<wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither =
was
he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
Yes because they were Catholics!
** not just that, they were anti-communists, and Commies are *****
atheists. In an interview with Memory Pictures, Inc. in 1986, Ivo
Omrcamin explained that Pius XII approved of helping Nazis because he,
like the Nazis, was anticommunist. According to Omrcamin, the last pope to
aid Nazis was Paul VI.
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23 Aug 2007 11:53:23 AM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070929410001@192.168.1.101...
In article <Nghzi.42717$Lu.34244@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Bill M"
<wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither =
was
he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
Yes because they were Catholics!
** not just that, they were anti-communists, and Commies are *****
atheists. In an interview with Memory Pictures, Inc. in 1986, Ivo
Omrcamin explained that Pius XII approved of helping Nazis because he,
like the Nazis, was anticommunist. According to Omrcamin, the last pope to
aid Nazis was Paul VI.
"We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of
His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords
he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom
came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was
raised for its victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice
speaking out about great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We
mourn a great servant of peace."
- Golda Meir ( Israel's representative to the United Nations )
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23 Aug 2007 08:54:12 PM |
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In article <fake79029vc@news4.newsguy.com>, "J Young"
<younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070929410001@192.168.1.101...
In article <Nghzi.42717$Lu.34244@bignews8.bellsouth.net>, "Bill M"
<wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither =
was
he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
Yes because they were Catholics!
** not just that, they were anti-communists, and Commies are *****
atheists. In an interview with Memory Pictures, Inc. in 1986, Ivo
Omrcamin explained that Pius XII approved of helping Nazis because he,
like the Nazis, was anticommunist. According to Omrcamin, the last pope to
aid Nazis was Paul VI.
"We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of
His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords
he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom
came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was
raised for its victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice
speaking out about great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We
mourn a great servant of peace."
- Golda Meir ( Israel's representative to the United Nations )
** Golda Meir died in 1978. The world did not know that Pius XII helped
Eichmann and Mengle escape to Argentina until February, 1992 when the
Argentine Gov't declassified secret files on the matter.
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23 Aug 2007 05:26:23 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:53:23 -0400, "J Young" <younginsights@aol.com>
wrote:
"We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of
His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords
he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom
came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was
raised for its victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice
speaking out about great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We
mourn a great servant of peace."
- Golda Meir ( Israel's representative to the United Nations )
So Mrs. Meir was too much a lady to bad-mouth the deceased. More than
anyone can say for you.
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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23 Aug 2007 08:55:53 PM |
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In article <v82sc3964eg967ikvqtc4vjaaqla4ocp7g@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:53:23 -0400, "J Young" <younginsights@aol.com>
wrote:
"We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of
His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords
he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom
came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was
raised for its victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice
speaking out about great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We
mourn a great servant of peace."
- Golda Meir ( Israel's representative to the United Nations )
So Mrs. Meir was too much a lady to bad-mouth the deceased. More than
anyone can say for you.
• She did not know that Pius XII helped Nazis escape to Argentina.
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26 Aug 2007 02:39:04 PM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
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In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither =
was
he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
BAM
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26 Aug 2007 03:07:34 PM |
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In article <ZEkAi.17730$7e6.12830@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither was he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
** Eugenio Pacelli - alias Pius XII, authorized the issuance of Vatican
passports to Dr. Mengele and Adolph Eichmann.
cheers, B _____?
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26 Aug 2007 05:06:19 PM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071307340001@192.168.1.101...
In article <ZEkAi.17730$7e6.12830@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither was he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
** Eugenio Pacelli - alias Pius XII, authorized the issuance of Vatican
passports to Dr. Mengele and Adolph Eichmann.
cheers, B _____?
Many of these passports that you cite as proof were in reality nothing more
than the fruits of bribery, used by the Vatican in order to save hundreds of
thousands of Jewish lives. A very small price to pay, indeed.
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26 Aug 2007 07:42:48 PM |
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In article <fastm50j21@news4.newsguy.com>, "J Young"
<younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071307340001@192.168.1.101...
In article <ZEkAi.17730$7e6.12830@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither was he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
** Eugenio Pacelli - alias Pius XII, authorized the issuance of Vatican
passports to Dr. Mengele and Adolph Eichmann.
cheers, B _____?
Many of these passports that you cite as proof were in reality nothing more
than the fruits of bribery, used by the Vatican in order to save hundreds of
thousands of Jewish lives. A very small price to pay, indeed.
** Adolph Eichmann ran the Auschweitz extermination camp. Over 2-millon
were exterminated, most of whom were Jews. At his hanging, Eichmann even
bragged about it. What did Eichmann bribe Pius XII with in exchange for
the Vatican Passports ?
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26 Aug 2007 10:04:42 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:06:19 -0400, "J Young" <younginsights@aol.com>
wrote:
Many of these passports that you cite as proof were in reality nothing more
than the fruits of bribery, used by the Vatican in order to save hundreds of
thousands of Jewish lives.
AFTER the war was OVER?
Try again. I think the 5-year-old reading your post caught the lie.
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27 Aug 2007 04:31:49 AM |
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In article <kof4d3paggkircgs45q1u76atfeju22890@4ax.com>, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:06:19 -0400, "J Young" <younginsights@aol.com>
wrote:
Many of these passports that you cite as proof were in reality nothing more
than the fruits of bribery, used by the Vatican in order to save hundreds of
thousands of Jewish lives.
AFTER the war was OVER?
*&* TBRCs are not encouraged to do their own thinking in such matters, Al.
"In matters of faith never trust your own judgment, but always humbly
submit to the decisions of the Holy Church."
(page 77, *A Full Catechism of the Catholic Religion*, Fr. Joseph De
Harbe, S.J.)
Try again. I think the 5-year-old reading your post caught the lie.
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26 Aug 2007 06:50:11 PM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071307340001@192.168.1.101...
In article <ZEkAi.17730$7e6.12830@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither was he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
** Eugenio Pacelli - alias Pius XII, authorized the issuance of Vatican
passports to Dr. Mengele and Adolph Eichmann.
Says who? Why do you never ever ever provide a source for your accusations?
BAM
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26 Aug 2007 07:57:03 PM |
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In article <HkoAi.27992$U24.15982@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071307340001@192.168.1.101...
In article <ZEkAi.17730$7e6.12830@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither was he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
** Eugenio Pacelli - alias Pius XII, authorized the issuance of Vatican
passports to Dr. Mengele and Adolph Eichmann.
Says who? Why do you never ever ever provide a source for your accusations?
** In February, 1992 the government of Argentina declassified and made
public the file on Nazi emigrants.
cheers, B______?
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26 Aug 2007 09:05:09 PM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071757030001@192.168.1.101...
In article <HkoAi.27992$U24.15982@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071307340001@192.168.1.101...
In article <ZEkAi.17730$7e6.12830@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither was he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
** Eugenio Pacelli - alias Pius XII, authorized the issuance of
Vatican
passports to Dr. Mengele and Adolph Eichmann.
Says who? Why do you never ever ever provide a source for your
accusations?
** In February, 1992 the government of Argentina declassified and made
public the file on Nazi emigrants.
cheers, B______?
Eichmann received his documents through the International Red Cross.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann
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26 Aug 2007 09:33:32 PM |
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In article <fatbm00268p@news5.newsguy.com>, "J Young"
<younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071757030001@192.168.1.101...
In article <HkoAi.27992$U24.15982@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071307340001@192.168.1.101...
In article <ZEkAi.17730$7e6.12830@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither was he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
** Eugenio Pacelli - alias Pius XII, authorized the issuance of
Vatican
passports to Dr. Mengele and Adolph Eichmann.
Says who? Why do you never ever ever provide a source for your
accusations?
** In February, 1992 the government of Argentina declassified and made
public the file on Nazi emigrants.
cheers, B______?
Eichmann received his documents through the International Red Cross.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann
€€ I do not believe that Eichmann traveled on an International Red Cross
passport. According to the Argentine gov't, he traveled on a Vatican
passport.
I do not believe everything on Wikipedia.
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26 Aug 2007 10:12:21 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:50:11 -0400, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2608071307340001@192.168.1.101...
In article <ZEkAi.17730$7e6.12830@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2308070105470001@192.168.1.101...
In article <1187847707.772287.261230@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
parsifal50@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 ao=FBt, 07:03, "J Young" <younginsig...@aol.com> wrote:
The Truth about Pope Pius XII
By Sr. Margherita Marchione, Ph.D.
Pope Pius XII was not a German collaborator nor was he pro-Nazi.
Neither was he inactive nor silent.
And once again, J Young takes the defense of someone whose attitude
during the nazi period is more than dubious...
. Indeed. Pope Pius XII is known to have helped Dr. Joseph Mengele
and
Auschwitz Kommandant Adolph Eichmann escape to Argentina on Vatican
passports after WW-II.
How so? Was he a printer on the side?
** Eugenio Pacelli - alias Pius XII, authorized the issuance of Vatican
passports to Dr. Mengele and Adolph Eichmann.
Says who? Why do you never ever ever provide a source for your accusations?
"Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII," by John Cornwell.
"Without Pacelli Hitler would never have been able to dissolve the
parliament, ban the other parties and become sole dictator. It was
Pacelli who convinced the German Catholic Centre Party to vote for
Hitler's sole power in the spring of 1933 (and then to dissolve their
party). That single action changed everything. Pius XII also
celebrated general Franco and it was through Pius XII's Vatican that
war criminals like Adolf Eichmann, Klaus Barbie and Ante Pavelic got
false Red Cross passports and could escape to Buenos Aires at the end
of World War 2."
- Karl Backman
"... former Nazi officials were among some of the most notorious of
war criminals, such as, the Auschwitz Concentration Camp Commandant
Adolf Eichmann and the infamous, Dr. Josef Mengele, the "Angel of
Death," both of whom traveled after the War on officially issued
Vatican Passports"
<http://www.franciscansofdivineprovidence.org/BpCarlos.htm>, a
CATHOLIC web site.
There's plenty more.
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26 Aug 2007 11:05:51 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fuf4d35chiptft72deg282u6k02pkmau4j@4ax.com...
"Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII," by John Cornwell.
"Without Pacelli Hitler would never have been able to dissolve the
parliament, ban the other parties and become sole dictator. It was
Pacelli who convinced the German Catholic Centre Party to vote for
Hitler's sole power in the spring of 1933 (and then to dissolve their
party). That single action changed everything. Pius XII also
celebrated general Franco and it was through Pius XII's Vatican that
war criminals like Adolf Eichmann, Klaus Barbie and Ante Pavelic got
false Red Cross passports and could escape to Buenos Aires at the end
of World War 2."
- Karl Backman
"... former Nazi officials were among some of the most notorious of
war criminals, such as, the Auschwitz Concentration Camp Commandant
Adolf Eichmann and the infamous, Dr. Josef Mengele, the "Angel of
Death," both of whom traveled after the War on officially issued
Vatican Passports"
<http://www.franciscansofdivineprovidence.org/BpCarlos.htm>, a
CATHOLIC web site.
There's plenty more.
Someone is lying because Eichmann was *never* Auschwitz Concentration Camp
Commandant.
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27 Aug 2007 05:33:48 AM |
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In article <fatio9030ka@news2.newsguy.com>, "J Young"
<younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fuf4d35chiptft72deg282u6k02pkmau4j@4ax.com...
"Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII," by John Cornwell.
"Without Pacelli Hitler would never have been able to dissolve the
parliament, ban the other parties and become sole dictator. It was
Pacelli who convinced the German Catholic Centre Party to vote for
Hitler's sole power in the spring of 1933 (and then to dissolve their
party). That single action changed everything. Pius XII also
celebrated general Franco and it was through Pius XII's Vatican that
war criminals like Adolf Eichmann, Klaus Barbie and Ante Pavelic got
false Red Cross passports and could escape to Buenos Aires at the end
of World War 2."
- Karl Backman
"... former Nazi officials were among some of the most notorious of
war criminals, such as, the Auschwitz Concentration Camp Commandant
Adolf Eichmann and the infamous, Dr. Josef Mengele, the "Angel of
Death," both of whom traveled after the War on officially issued
Vatican Passports"
<http://www.franciscansofdivineprovidence.org/BpCarlos.htm>, a
CATHOLIC web site.
There's plenty more.
Someone is lying because Eichmann was *never* Auschwitz Concentration Camp
Commandant.
** Valid point J. Y,. Rudolf Höss ran the Auschwitz-Birkenau death
factory per se, but Obersturmbannführer Adolph Eichmann supervised all of
the Nazi death factories. When Adolf Eichmann joked about having killed
5-million, he wasn't talking about Auschwitz since Auschwitz accounted for
only c. half of the 5-million deaths. At peak production,
Auschwitz-Birkenau was exterminating 24,000 humans / 24-hours. At this
level of production, the crematoria could not keep up, so overflow corpses
were thrown into pits and covered with dirt. When it was over, there was
c. 450,000 cubic feet of what were once living humans buried in the
ground. God's Holy Church was only too aware of what was going on at
Auschwitz during the war since there was a RC convent in the same town.
When word of what was going at the factory near the convent, Eugéne
Cardinal Tisserant urged Eugenio Pacelli/Pope Pius XII to state publicly
that Catholics can not participate in mass murder -- even under the orders
of their legally-elected political leader. - - but Pacelli said nothing.
However, to his credit, Pius XII was instrumental in hiding some Italian
Jews from the Gestapo.
cheers, J. Y.
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27 Aug 2007 06:31:38 AM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2708070333490001@192.168.1.101...
In article <fatio9030ka@news2.newsguy.com>, "J Young"
<younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fuf4d35chiptft72deg282u6k02pkmau4j@4ax.com...
"Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII," by John Cornwell.
"Without Pacelli Hitler would never have been able to dissolve the
parliament, ban the other parties and become sole dictator. It was
Pacelli who convinced the German Catholic Centre Party to vote for
Hitler's sole power in the spring of 1933 (and then to dissolve their
party). That single action changed everything. Pius XII also
celebrated general Franco and it was through Pius XII's Vatican that
war criminals like Adolf Eichmann, Klaus Barbie and Ante Pavelic got
false Red Cross passports and could escape to Buenos Aires at the end
of World War 2."
- Karl Backman
"... former Nazi officials were among some of the most notorious of
war criminals, such as, the Auschwitz Concentration Camp Commandant
Adolf Eichmann and the infamous, Dr. Josef Mengele, the "Angel of
Death," both of whom traveled after the War on officially issued
Vatican Passports"
<http://www.franciscansofdivineprovidence.org/BpCarlos.htm>, a
CATHOLIC web site.
There's plenty more.
Someone is lying because Eichmann was *never* Auschwitz Concentration
Camp
Commandant.
** Valid point J. Y,. Rudolf Höss ran the Auschwitz-Birkenau death
factory per se, but Obersturmbannführer Adolph Eichmann supervised all of
the Nazi death factories. When Adolf Eichmann joked about having killed
5-million, he wasn't talking about Auschwitz since Auschwitz accounted for
only c. half of the 5-million deaths. At peak production,
Auschwitz-Birkenau was exterminating 24,000 humans / 24-hours. At this
level of production, the crematoria could not keep up, so overflow corpses
were thrown into pits and covered with dirt. When it was over, there was
c. 450,000 cubic feet of what were once living humans buried in the
ground. God's Holy Church was only too aware of what was going on at
Auschwitz during the war since there was a RC convent in the same town.
When word of what was going at the factory near the convent, Eugéne
Cardinal Tisserant urged Eugenio Pacelli/Pope Pius XII to state publicly
that Catholics can not participate in mass murder -- even under the orders
of their legally-elected political leader. - - but Pacelli said nothing.
However, to his credit, Pius XII was instrumental in hiding some Italian
Jews from the Gestapo.
This is incredible. As if the Vatican was the only organization that knew
anything about it. As if there weren't as many Catholics killed in the camps
as Jews. As if any other organization on earth did anything at all, and as
if only the Vatican had any responsibility.
This is anti-Catholic smoke and mirrors.
BAM
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27 Aug 2007 07:41:49 AM |
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In article <hCyAi.34912$U24.7103@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2708070333490001@192.168.1.101...
In article <fatio9030ka@news2.newsguy.com>, "J Young"
<younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fuf4d35chiptft72deg282u6k02pkmau4j@4ax.com...
"Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII," by John Cornwell.
"Without Pacelli Hitler would never have been able to dissolve the
parliament, ban the other parties and become sole dictator. It was
Pacelli who convinced the German Catholic Centre Party to vote for
Hitler's sole power in the spring of 1933 (and then to dissolve their
party). That single action changed everything. Pius XII also
celebrated general Franco and it was through Pius XII's Vatican that
war criminals like Adolf Eichmann, Klaus Barbie and Ante Pavelic got
false Red Cross passports and could escape to Buenos Aires at the end
of World War 2."
- Karl Backman
"... former Nazi officials were among some of the most notorious of
war criminals, such as, the Auschwitz Concentration Camp Commandant
Adolf Eichmann and the infamous, Dr. Josef Mengele, the "Angel of
Death," both of whom traveled after the War on officially issued
Vatican Passports"
<http://www.franciscansofdivineprovidence.org/BpCarlos.htm>, a
CATHOLIC web site.
There's plenty more.
Someone is lying because Eichmann was *never* Auschwitz Concentration
Camp
Commandant.
** Valid point J. Y,. Rudolf Höss ran the Auschwitz-Birkenau death
factory per se, but Obersturmbannführer Adolph Eichmann supervised all of
the Nazi death factories. When Adolf Eichmann joked about having killed
5-million, he wasn't talking about Auschwitz since Auschwitz accounted for
only c. half of the 5-million deaths. At peak production,
Auschwitz-Birkenau was exterminating 24,000 humans / 24-hours. At this
level of production, the crematoria could not keep up, so overflow corpses
were thrown into pits and covered with dirt. When it was over, there was
c. 450,000 cubic feet of what were once living humans buried in the
ground. God's Holy Church was only too aware of what was going on at
Auschwitz during the war since there was a RC convent in the same town.
When word of what was going at the factory near the convent, Eugéne
Cardinal Tisserant urged Eugenio Pacelli/Pope Pius XII to state publicly
that Catholics can not participate in mass murder -- even under the orders
of their legally-elected political leader. - - but Pacelli said nothing.
However, to his credit, Pius XII was instrumental in hiding some Italian
Jews from the Gestapo.
This is incredible. As if the Vatican was the only organization that knew
anything about it.
** The Vatican had a convent in the neighborhood. The 200 or so nuns
there could smell something cooking and it for damn sure wasn't from an El
Pollo Loco. Reports from the convent was how Cardinal Tisserant knew what
was cooking at Auschwitz.
As if there weren't as many Catholics killed in the camps
as Jews.
** there were not. Jews and Gypsies were the main targets. Curiously,
both groups taught their children that they were God's favorite.
As if any other organization on earth did anything at all, and as
if only the Vatican had any responsibility.
This is anti-Catholic smoke and mirrors.
** it was smoke alright, Duke -- from 5-million of us. Pacelli dropped
the ball.
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27 Aug 2007 07:49:18 PM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote
** The Vatican had a convent in the neighborhood.
Did they? Pray tell. A Vatican convent in Auschwitz?
As if there weren't as many Catholics killed in the camps
as Jews.
** there were not.
Ahhhhaaaa! A Holocaust denier!!!!!!!!!
BAM
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27 Aug 2007 08:32:43 PM |
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In article <4iKAi.37199$U24.36127@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote
** The Vatican had a convent in the neighborhood.
Did they? Pray tell. A Vatican convent in Auschwitz?
• in Oswiecim in Polish.
As if there weren't as many Catholics killed in the camps
as Jews.
** there were not.
Ahhhhaaaa! A Holocaust denier!!!!!!!!!
• 10-acres of human ashes 10 ft deep is nuttin' to joke about, B______?
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28 Aug 2007 03:50:41 AM |
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On 27-Aug-2007, (•R L Measures) wrote:
n article <4iKAi.37199$U24.36127@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" < > wrote
** The Vatican had a convent in the neighborhood.
Did they? Pray tell. A Vatican convent in Auschwitz?
• in Oswiecim in Polish.
Heck, they're still there, and trying to put the convent right back in,
so they can have their crosses all over Jewish graves!
As if there weren't as many Catholics killed in the camps
as Jews.
** there were not.
Ahhhhaaaa! A Holocaust denier!!!!!!!!!
• 10-acres of human ashes 10 ft deep is nuttin' to joke about, B______?
Joking? I thought he was confessing!
Susan
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| Title: Re: The Truth about Pope Pius XII |
27 Aug 2007 08:07:03 AM |
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".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2708070541490001@192.168.1.101...
In article <hCyAi.34912$U24.7103@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, "BAM"
<mcca5761@blahblahbellsouth.net> wrote:
".R L Measures" <r@somis.org> wrote in message
news:r-2708070333490001@192.168.1.101...
In article <fatio9030ka@news2.newsguy.com>, "J Young"
<younginsights@aol.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:fuf4d35chiptft72deg282u6k02pkmau4j@4ax.com...
"Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII," by John Cornwell.
"Without Pacelli Hitler would never have been able to dissolve the
parliament, ban the other parties and become sole dictator. It was
Pacelli who convinced the German Catholic Centre Party to vote for
Hitler's sole power in the spring of 1933 (and then to dissolve
their
party). That single action changed everything. Pius XII also
celebrated general Franco and it was through Pius XII's Vatican that
war criminals like Adolf Eichmann, Klaus Barbie and Ante Pavelic got
false Red Cross passports and could escape to Buenos Aires at the
end
of World War 2."
- Karl Backman
"... former Nazi officials were among some of the most notorious of
war criminals, such as, the Auschwitz Concentration Camp Commandant
Adolf Eichmann and the infamous, Dr. Josef Mengele, the "Angel of
Death," both of whom traveled after the War on officially issued
Vatican Passports"
<http://www.franciscansofdivineprovidence.org/BpCarlos.htm>, a
CATHOLIC web site.
There's plenty more.
Someone is lying because Eichmann was *never* Auschwitz Concentration
Camp
Commandant.
** Valid point J. Y,. Rudolf Höss ran the Auschwitz-Birkenau death
factory per se, but Obersturmbannführer Adolph Eichmann supervised all
of
the Nazi death factories. When Adolf Eichmann joked about having
killed
5-million, he wasn't talking about Auschwitz since Auschwitz accounted
for
only c. half of the 5-million deaths. At peak production,
Auschwitz-Birkenau was exterminating 24,000 humans / 24-hours. At this
level of production, the crematoria could not keep up, so overflow
corpses
were thrown into pits and covered with dirt. When it was over, there
was
c. 450,000 cubic feet of what were once living humans buried in the
ground. God's Holy Church was only too aware of what was going on at
Auschwitz during the war since there was a RC convent in the same town.
When word of what was going at the factory near the convent, Eugéne
Cardinal Tisserant urged Eugenio Pacelli/Pope Pius XII to state
publicly
that Catholics can not participate in mass murder -- even under the
orders
of their legally-elected political leader. - - but Pacelli said
nothing.
However, to his credit, Pius XII was instrumental in hiding some
Italian
Jews from the Gestapo.
This is incredible. As if the Vatican was the only organization that knew
anything about it.
** The Vatican had a convent in the neighborhood. The 200 or so nuns
there could smell something cooking and it for damn sure wasn't from an El
Pollo Loco. Reports from the convent was how Cardinal Tisserant knew what
was cooking at Auschwitz.
As if there weren't as many Catholics killed in the camps
as Jews.
** there were not. Jews and Gypsies were the main targets.
So you say. There's not a shred of solid, tangible, scientifically
verifiable evidence in existence to support your nonsense. Nothing. Nada.
Zip. Zilch.
But you keep believing your silly little story, laddie. Everyone needs a
hobby.
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