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The Virginity Mystique |
This was ORIGINALLY posted almost a decade ago, and is re-
posted now, almost 100% free of changes, since almost nothing
it contains has changed over the last 9 years. (Except, of
course, for the fortunate aspect that society has significantly
*outgrown* the described syndrome, over those years) --
From: Craig Chilton - view profile
Date: Wed, Dec. 31, 1997 12:00 am
Groups: alt.teens.16-18, alt.teens.sexuality, alt.abortion
"The Virginity Mystique"
Has anyone ever given serious consideration as to WHY an
otherwise fairly-enlightened society persists so much in regarding
virginity to be something special?
Before I ever ate my first slice of pizza, I was a "pizza
virgin." Before I ever bowled, I was a "virgin" in that respect.
Likewise for sex.
But every time I left one type of virginity behind, the effect
invariably was to ENHANCE my life.
Putting virginity on a pedestal is precisely the same as
ascribing value to ignorance.
"Losing" one's virginity is to GAIN a new dimension in one's
life, whether it be with pizza, sex, bowling, or anything else.
The only significance of whether one is a virgin or not with
respect to sex is a totally ARTIFICIAL, arbitrary, and meaningless
one. The ONLY change that scrapping sexual virginity produces
is to enhance one's life experiences, unless you've been brain-
washed into some primitive and pointless belief system. (Which
you can just as easily scrap.)
In short, "virginity" is no big deal. It is not something that
one "loses." It is something that one should willingly seek to GET
RID of, just as we so willingly get rid of other forms of virginity
with first experiences of any sort. Pizza, bowling, or whatever.
Therefore, IF you regard sexual virginity to have any special
significance, all I can say to you is this:
Fer Pete's sake, GET A LIFE! And then ENJOY it !!
--Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(Please feel free to copy and distribute this to any and all who are
hung up on that silly syndrome.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
June 21, 2006 Update:
When this thread originally ran, several people made the
mistake of thinking that I openly advocated that virgins simply
scrap virginity for the sake of getting that done. Looking it over
again now, I can see how they got that impression. So now
I'll clarify.
What I meant then, and still mean now, is THIS:
Retaining one's sexual virginity for virginity's sake -- as though
there were supposedly some "special" quality, or some sort of
"purity" associated with it, is abjectly STUPID.
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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| Title: Re: The Virginity Mystique |
21 Jun 2006 04:58:07 PM |
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"Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
<xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:ehsh92hrukkj3g5gsenfrpjo0bd4qm8t44@4ax.com...
This was ORIGINALLY posted almost a decade ago, and is re-
posted now, almost 100% free of changes, since almost nothing
it contains has changed over the last 9 years. (Except, of
course, for the fortunate aspect that society has significantly
*outgrown* the described syndrome, over those years) --
From: Craig Chilton - view profile
Date: Wed, Dec. 31, 1997 12:00 am
Groups: alt.teens.16-18, alt.teens.sexuality, alt.abortion
"The Virginity Mystique"
Has anyone ever given serious consideration as to WHY an
otherwise fairly-enlightened society persists so much in regarding
virginity to be something special?
Before I ever ate my first slice of pizza, I was a "pizza
virgin." Before I ever bowled, I was a "virgin" in that respect.
Likewise for sex.
But every time I left one type of virginity behind, the effect
invariably was to ENHANCE my life.
Putting virginity on a pedestal is precisely the same as
ascribing value to ignorance.
"Losing" one's virginity is to GAIN a new dimension in one's
life, whether it be with pizza, sex, bowling, or anything else.
The only significance of whether one is a virgin or not with
respect to sex is a totally ARTIFICIAL, arbitrary, and meaningless
one. The ONLY change that scrapping sexual virginity produces
is to enhance one's life experiences, unless you've been brain-
washed into some primitive and pointless belief system. (Which
you can just as easily scrap.)
In short, "virginity" is no big deal. It is not something that
one "loses." It is something that one should willingly seek to GET
RID of, just as we so willingly get rid of other forms of virginity
with first experiences of any sort. Pizza, bowling, or whatever.
Therefore, IF you regard sexual virginity to have any special
significance, all I can say to you is this:
Fer Pete's sake, GET A LIFE! And then ENJOY it !!
--Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(Please feel free to copy and distribute this to any and all who are
hung up on that silly syndrome.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
June 21, 2006 Update:
When this thread originally ran, several people made the
mistake of thinking that I openly advocated that virgins simply
scrap virginity for the sake of getting that done. Looking it over
again now, I can see how they got that impression. So now
I'll clarify.
What I meant then, and still mean now, is THIS:
Retaining one's sexual virginity for virginity's sake -- as though
there were supposedly some "special" quality, or some sort of
"purity" associated with it, is abjectly STUPID.
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
-- Craig Chilton
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin. If you've
never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!" |
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| Title: Re: The Virginity Mystique |
22 Jun 2006 01:46:21 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:58:07 -0500,
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
This was ORIGINALLY posted almost a decade ago, and is re-
posted now, almost 100% free of changes, since almost nothing
it contains has changed over the last 9 years. (Except, of
course, for the fortunate aspect that society has significantly
*outgrown* the described syndrome, over those years) --
From: Craig Chilton
Date: Wed, Dec. 31, 1997 12:00 am
Groups: alt.teens.16-18, alt.teens.sexuality, alt.abortion
"The Virginity Mystique"
Has anyone ever given serious consideration as to WHY an
otherwise fairly-enlightened society persists so much in regarding
virginity to be something special?
Before I ever ate my first slice of pizza, I was a "pizza
virgin." Before I ever bowled, I was a "virgin" in that respect.
Likewise for sex.
But every time I left one type of virginity behind, the effect
invariably was to ENHANCE my life.
Putting virginity on a pedestal is precisely the same as
ascribing value to ignorance.
"Losing" one's virginity is to GAIN a new dimension in one's
life, whether it be with pizza, sex, bowling, or anything else.
The only significance of whether one is a virgin or not with
respect to sex is a totally ARTIFICIAL, arbitrary, and meaningless
one. The ONLY change that scrapping sexual virginity produces
is to enhance one's life experiences, unless you've been brain-
washed into some primitive and pointless belief system. (Which
you can just as easily scrap.)
In short, "virginity" is no big deal. It is not something that
one "loses." It is something that one should willingly seek to GET
RID of, just as we so willingly get rid of other forms of virginity
with first experiences of any sort. Pizza, bowling, or whatever.
Therefore, IF you regard sexual virginity to have any special
significance, all I can say to you is this:
Fer Pete's sake, GET A LIFE! And then ENJOY it !!
--Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(Please feel free to copy and distribute this to any and all who are
hung up on that silly syndrome.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
June 21, 2006 Update:
When this thread originally ran, several people made the
mistake of thinking that I openly advocated that virgins simply
scrap virginity for the sake of getting that done. Looking it over
again now, I can see how they got that impression. So now
I'll clarify.
What I meant then, and still mean now, is THIS:
Retaining one's sexual virginity for virginity's sake -- as though
there were supposedly some "special" quality, or some sort of
"purity" associated with it, is abjectly STUPID.
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
-- Craig Chilton
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Ah... good ol' "Reasoned Insanity," PROVING once again to all of us
what an ignorant DOLT he is. No wonder he cravenly cowers behind
an alias, rather than signing his real name to his posts!
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
On Those Who Post ANONYMOUSLY...
"As for posting anonymously, it makes no difference
whether a FAIR-MINDED person who is opposed to a hateful
agenda (e.g., Anti-Choice) posts anonymously or not, since
he/she has NOTHING to be ASHAMED of in the first place,
when putting up such posts. The only anonymous COWARDS
are those who spew shameful hate and repression, while
hiding behind an alias in the process... just like a Ku Klux Klans-
man who cravenly hides his face under a hood."
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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| Title: Re: The Virginity Mystique |
22 Jun 2006 08:44:36 AM |
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"Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
<xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:nuek9215abrh55cpu00uu0kl9hi0933b7q@4ax.com...
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:58:07 -0500,
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
This was ORIGINALLY posted almost a decade ago, and is re-
posted now, almost 100% free of changes, since almost nothing
it contains has changed over the last 9 years. (Except, of
course, for the fortunate aspect that society has significantly
*outgrown* the described syndrome, over those years) --
From: Craig Chilton
Date: Wed, Dec. 31, 1997 12:00 am
Groups: alt.teens.16-18, alt.teens.sexuality, alt.abortion
"The Virginity Mystique"
Has anyone ever given serious consideration as to WHY an
otherwise fairly-enlightened society persists so much in regarding
virginity to be something special?
Before I ever ate my first slice of pizza, I was a "pizza
virgin." Before I ever bowled, I was a "virgin" in that respect.
Likewise for sex.
But every time I left one type of virginity behind, the effect
invariably was to ENHANCE my life.
Putting virginity on a pedestal is precisely the same as
ascribing value to ignorance.
"Losing" one's virginity is to GAIN a new dimension in one's
life, whether it be with pizza, sex, bowling, or anything else.
The only significance of whether one is a virgin or not with
respect to sex is a totally ARTIFICIAL, arbitrary, and meaningless
one. The ONLY change that scrapping sexual virginity produces
is to enhance one's life experiences, unless you've been brain-
washed into some primitive and pointless belief system. (Which
you can just as easily scrap.)
In short, "virginity" is no big deal. It is not something that
one "loses." It is something that one should willingly seek to GET
RID of, just as we so willingly get rid of other forms of virginity
with first experiences of any sort. Pizza, bowling, or whatever.
Therefore, IF you regard sexual virginity to have any special
significance, all I can say to you is this:
Fer Pete's sake, GET A LIFE! And then ENJOY it !!
--Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(Please feel free to copy and distribute this to any and all who are
hung up on that silly syndrome.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
June 21, 2006 Update:
When this thread originally ran, several people made the
mistake of thinking that I openly advocated that virgins simply
scrap virginity for the sake of getting that done. Looking it over
again now, I can see how they got that impression. So now
I'll clarify.
What I meant then, and still mean now, is THIS:
Retaining one's sexual virginity for virginity's sake -- as though
there were supposedly some "special" quality, or some sort of
"purity" associated with it, is abjectly STUPID.
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
-- Craig Chilton
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Ah... good ol' "Reasoned Insanity," PROVING once again to all of us
what an ignorant DOLT he is. No wonder he cravenly cowers behind
an alias, rather than signing his real name to his posts!
And here's come's good old Craig, writing in his usual fashion of lengthy
rants that never seem to say anything. Tell us when you capture you HIV
Virus....I wish you luck in losing your AID's virginity.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!" |
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| Title: Re: The Virginity Mystique |
22 Jun 2006 09:26:53 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:44:36 -0500,
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
This was ORIGINALLY posted almost a decade ago, and is re-
posted now, almost 100% free of changes, since almost nothing
it contains has changed over the last 9 years. (Except, of
course, for the fortunate aspect that society has significantly
*outgrown* the described syndrome, over those years) --
From: Craig Chilton
Date: Wed, Dec. 31, 1997 12:00 am
Groups: alt.teens.16-18, alt.teens.sexuality, alt.abortion
"The Virginity Mystique"
Has anyone ever given serious consideration as to WHY an
otherwise fairly-enlightened society persists so much in regarding
virginity to be something special?
Before I ever ate my first slice of pizza, I was a "pizza
virgin." Before I ever bowled, I was a "virgin" in that respect.
Likewise for sex.
But every time I left one type of virginity behind, the effect
invariably was to ENHANCE my life.
Putting virginity on a pedestal is precisely the same as
ascribing value to ignorance.
"Losing" one's virginity is to GAIN a new dimension in one's
life, whether it be with pizza, sex, bowling, or anything else.
The only significance of whether one is a virgin or not with
respect to sex is a totally ARTIFICIAL, arbitrary, and meaningless
one. The ONLY change that scrapping sexual virginity produces
is to enhance one's life experiences, unless you've been brain-
washed into some primitive and pointless belief system. (Which
you can just as easily scrap.)
In short, "virginity" is no big deal. It is not something that
one "loses." It is something that one should willingly seek to GET
RID of, just as we so willingly get rid of other forms of virginity
with first experiences of any sort. Pizza, bowling, or whatever.
Therefore, IF you regard sexual virginity to have any special
significance, all I can say to you is this:
Fer Pete's sake, GET A LIFE! And then ENJOY it !!
--Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(Please feel free to copy and distribute this to any and all who are
hung up on that silly syndrome.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
June 21, 2006 Update:
When this thread originally ran, several people made the
mistake of thinking that I openly advocated that virgins simply
scrap virginity for the sake of getting that done. Looking it over
again now, I can see how they got that impression. So now
I'll clarify.
What I meant then, and still mean now, is THIS:
Retaining one's sexual virginity for virginity's sake -- as though
there were supposedly some "special" quality, or some sort of
"purity" associated with it, is abjectly STUPID.
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Ah... good ol' "Reasoned Insanity," PROVING once again to all of us
what an ignorant DOLT he is. No wonder he cravenly cowers behind
an alias, rather than signing his real name to his posts!
And here's come's good old Craig, writing in his usual fashion of
lengthy rants that never seem to say anything.
Nope. I deal in FACTS... and you **never** -- EVER!!! --
argue from a stance that is supportable by relevant facts. NO
facts even *exist* that support the loathsome, anti-personal-
liberties agendas that you espouse.
[[[ READERS: Want a reminder of just how *big* a LIE that
was? See if there is anything UN-factual about any of
the content of the outline below. NO Anti-Choicer/RRR
cultist has EVER been able to disprove ANY of it in the
nearly 6 years that I've been devastating the Anti-
Choicers' arguments with it. ]]] ---
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
* (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
and updated since.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Tell us when you capture you HIV Virus... I wish you luck in losing
your AID's virginity.
LOL!! What a fruitcake!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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"It is generally true that posters who are willing to
use their own names and/or have e-mail addresses which
can reach them tend to post less drivel than those who
obviously recognise their own failings and therefore
refuse to post under their own names."
--Moira de Swardt, 1/28/2000
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| User: "Reasoned Insanity" |
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| Title: Re: The Virginity Mystique |
22 Jun 2006 11:39:57 PM |
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"Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!"
<xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:44:36 -0500,
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
This was ORIGINALLY posted almost a decade ago, and is re-
posted now, almost 100% free of changes, since almost nothing
it contains has changed over the last 9 years. (Except, of
course, for the fortunate aspect that society has significantly
*outgrown* the described syndrome, over those years) --
From: Craig Chilton
Date: Wed, Dec. 31, 1997 12:00 am
Groups: alt.teens.16-18, alt.teens.sexuality, alt.abortion
"The Virginity Mystique"
Has anyone ever given serious consideration as to WHY an
otherwise fairly-enlightened society persists so much in regarding
virginity to be something special?
Before I ever ate my first slice of pizza, I was a "pizza
virgin." Before I ever bowled, I was a "virgin" in that respect.
Likewise for sex.
But every time I left one type of virginity behind, the effect
invariably was to ENHANCE my life.
Putting virginity on a pedestal is precisely the same as
ascribing value to ignorance.
"Losing" one's virginity is to GAIN a new dimension in one's
life, whether it be with pizza, sex, bowling, or anything else.
The only significance of whether one is a virgin or not with
respect to sex is a totally ARTIFICIAL, arbitrary, and meaningless
one. The ONLY change that scrapping sexual virginity produces
is to enhance one's life experiences, unless you've been brain-
washed into some primitive and pointless belief system. (Which
you can just as easily scrap.)
In short, "virginity" is no big deal. It is not something that
one "loses." It is something that one should willingly seek to GET
RID of, just as we so willingly get rid of other forms of virginity
with first experiences of any sort. Pizza, bowling, or whatever.
Therefore, IF you regard sexual virginity to have any special
significance, all I can say to you is this:
Fer Pete's sake, GET A LIFE! And then ENJOY it !!
--Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(Please feel free to copy and distribute this to any and all who are
hung up on that silly syndrome.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
June 21, 2006 Update:
When this thread originally ran, several people made the
mistake of thinking that I openly advocated that virgins simply
scrap virginity for the sake of getting that done. Looking it over
again now, I can see how they got that impression. So now
I'll clarify.
What I meant then, and still mean now, is THIS:
Retaining one's sexual virginity for virginity's sake -- as though
there were supposedly some "special" quality, or some sort of
"purity" associated with it, is abjectly STUPID.
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Ah... good ol' "Reasoned Insanity," PROVING once again to all of us
what an ignorant DOLT he is. No wonder he cravenly cowers behind
an alias, rather than signing his real name to his posts!
And here's come's good old Craig, writing in his usual fashion of
lengthy rants that never seem to say anything.
Nope. I deal in FACTS
That you never seem to be able to back up.
.... and you **never** -- EVER!!! --
argue from a stance that is supportable by relevant facts. NO
facts even *exist* that support the loathsome, anti-personal-
liberties agendas that you espouse.
[[[ READERS: Want a reminder of just how *big* a LIE that
was? See if there is anything UN-factual about any of
the content of the outline below. NO Anti-Choicer/RRR
cultist has EVER been able to disprove ANY of it in the
nearly 6 years that I've been devastating the Anti-
Choicers' arguments with it. ]]] ---
First you have to prove them Craig.
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:44:36 -0500,
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
This was ORIGINALLY posted almost a decade ago, and is re-
posted now, almost 100% free of changes, since almost nothing
it contains has changed over the last 9 years. (Except, of
course, for the fortunate aspect that society has significantly
*outgrown* the described syndrome, over those years) --
From: Craig Chilton
Date: Wed, Dec. 31, 1997 12:00 am
Groups: alt.teens.16-18, alt.teens.sexuality, alt.abortion
"The Virginity Mystique"
Has anyone ever given serious consideration as to WHY an
otherwise fairly-enlightened society persists so much in regarding
virginity to be something special?
Before I ever ate my first slice of pizza, I was a "pizza
virgin." Before I ever bowled, I was a "virgin" in that respect.
Likewise for sex.
But every time I left one type of virginity behind, the effect
invariably was to ENHANCE my life.
Putting virginity on a pedestal is precisely the same as
ascribing value to ignorance.
"Losing" one's virginity is to GAIN a new dimension in one's
life, whether it be with pizza, sex, bowling, or anything else.
The only significance of whether one is a virgin or not with
respect to sex is a totally ARTIFICIAL, arbitrary, and meaningless
one. The ONLY change that scrapping sexual virginity produces
is to enhance one's life experiences, unless you've been brain-
washed into some primitive and pointless belief system. (Which
you can just as easily scrap.)
In short, "virginity" is no big deal. It is not something that
one "loses." It is something that one should willingly seek to GET
RID of, just as we so willingly get rid of other forms of virginity
with first experiences of any sort. Pizza, bowling, or whatever.
Therefore, IF you regard sexual virginity to have any special
significance, all I can say to you is this:
Fer Pete's sake, GET A LIFE! And then ENJOY it !!
--Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
(Please feel free to copy and distribute this to any and all who are
hung up on that silly syndrome.)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
June 21, 2006 Update:
When this thread originally ran, several people made the
mistake of thinking that I openly advocated that virgins simply
scrap virginity for the sake of getting that done. Looking it over
again now, I can see how they got that impression. So now
I'll clarify.
What I meant then, and still mean now, is THIS:
Retaining one's sexual virginity for virginity's sake -- as though
there were supposedly some "special" quality, or some sort of
"purity" associated with it, is abjectly STUPID.
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Ah... good ol' "Reasoned Insanity," PROVING once again to all of us
what an ignorant DOLT he is. No wonder he cravenly cowers behind
an alias, rather than signing his real name to his posts!
And here's come's good old Craig, writing in his usual fashion of
lengthy rants that never seem to say anything.
Nope. I deal in FACTS... and you **never** -- EVER!!! --
argue from a stance that is supportable by relevant facts. NO
facts even *exist* that support the loathsome, anti-personal-
liberties agendas that you espouse.
[[[ READERS: Want a reminder of just how *big* a LIE that
was? See if there is anything UN-factual about any of
the content of the outline below. NO Anti-Choicer/RRR
cultist has EVER been able to disprove ANY of it in the
nearly 6 years that I've been devastating the Anti-
Choicers' arguments with it. ]]] ---
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
* (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
and updated since.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Tell us when you capture you HIV Virus... I wish you luck in losing
your AID's virginity.
LOL!! What a fruitcake!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"It is generally true that posters who are willing to
use their own names and/or have e-mail addresses which
can reach them tend to post less drivel than those who
obviously recognise their own failings and therefore
refuse to post under their own names."
--Moira de Swardt, 1/28/2000
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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22 Jun 2006 01:19:28 AM |
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
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22 Jun 2006 01:55:08 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
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22 Jun 2006 09:24:15 AM |
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true. I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
BTW, do you know what logic is? I really would like to learn something
about it.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
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22 Jun 2006 11:04:12 AM |
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"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.62.0606221013580.6131@norge.freeshell.org...
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true. I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
We went from 'a lot' to 'some.' Anybody for 'maybe a handful?'
Anybody want to have a discussion about generalizations?
[snip]
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22 Jun 2006 12:50:00 PM |
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"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
news:0czmg.71246$4L1.32170@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.62.0606221013580.6131@norge.freeshell.org...
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are
intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true. I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
We went from 'a lot' to 'some.' Anybody for 'maybe a handful?'
Anybody want to have a discussion about generalizations?
[snip]
What do you expect from a guy who thinks there is no genetic basis for
homosexuality, simply because none of his classmates from 40 years ago never
said there was?
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"Robin" <robinandtami@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:25Bmg.4818$w84.739@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> wrote in message
news:0czmg.71246$4L1.32170@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.62.0606221013580.6131@norge.freeshell.org...
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are
intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the
"bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true. I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
We went from 'a lot' to 'some.' Anybody for 'maybe a handful?'
Anybody want to have a discussion about generalizations?
[snip]
What do you expect from a guy who thinks there is no genetic basis for
homosexuality, simply because none of his classmates from 40 years ago
never said there was?
Ah yes, I remember reading that line of 'reasoning.' I didn't realize it was
the same moron. He's probably still pissed at them for calling him a
poopiehead.
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22 Jun 2006 07:18:26 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:24:15 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true.
Of an unrepresentative minority of homosexuals. Would it be fair to judge
all heterosexuals just because an unrepresentative minority of them are
serial killers?
I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
There are "some" of practically _anything_ you can think of. In the big
picture, it's completely irrelevant.
BTW, do you know what logic is? I really would like to learn something
about it.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
You can start by learning what a straw man is and how to avoid
creating/using one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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22 Jun 2006 11:41:23 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Strife767 wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:24:15 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true.
Of an unrepresentative minority of homosexuals. Would it be fair to judge
all heterosexuals just because an unrepresentative minority of them are
serial killers?
I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
There are "some" of practically _anything_ you can think of. In the big
picture, it's completely irrelevant.
BTW, do you know what logic is? I really would like to learn something
about it.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
You can start by learning what a straw man is and how to avoid
creating/using one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
OK, I learned about that. Thanks. I'll put you out in my cornfield
to scare away the crows.
Sam Heywood
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22 Jun 2006 09:54:23 AM |
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Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true. I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
BTW, do you know what logic is? I really would like to learn something
about it.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
You went from saying "a lot" to "some". So you know you were lying the
first time then. Does it feel good to lie for Jesus? There are some
straight men like to murder thier girlfriends. Should I condem all
straight men for that?
tulle
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22 Jun 2006 12:40:38 PM |
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On 22 Jun 2006 07:54:23 -0700, "tulle" <tulle040657@yahoo.com> wrote in
message <1150988063.090642.146950@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true. I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
BTW, do you know what logic is? I really would like to learn something
about it.
Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62
You went from saying "a lot" to "some". So you know you were lying the
first time then. Does it feel good to lie for Jesus? There are some
straight men like to murder thier girlfriends. Should I condem all
straight men for that?
tulle
I'd suggest he also learn some statistics, too, especially the concept
of "representative sample." This seems to be a real problem with some
people.
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22 Jun 2006 07:44:41 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On 22 Jun 2006 07:54:23 -0700, "tulle" <tulle040657@yahoo.com> wrote in
message <1150988063.090642.146950@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
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Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
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Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true. I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
BTW, do you know what logic is? I really would like to learn something
about it.
Sam Heywood
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You went from saying "a lot" to "some". So you know you were lying the
first time then. Does it feel good to lie for Jesus? There are some
straight men like to murder thier girlfriends. Should I condem all
straight men for that?
tulle
I'd suggest he also learn some statistics, too, especially the concept
of "representative sample." This seems to be a real problem with some
people.
You know damn well I wasn't making a statistical claim. Going from
saying a "lot" to "some" was just an oversight. You know I wasn't
talking about a "representative sample" of any group of people. I
didn't even name any particular group of people. I just said
something about "a lot of people". If you and your butt-buddies
think I was referring to people like you, then the paranoia and
the guilty conscience of all of you are showing. Those bug-a-boos
are gonna get all of you if you all don't watch out and take care.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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22 Jun 2006 09:01:33 PM |
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"Samuel W. Heywood" <sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On 22 Jun 2006 07:54:23 -0700, "tulle" <tulle040657@yahoo.com> wrote in
message <1150988063.090642.146950@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Boy Toy wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote in message
<Pine.NEB.4.62.0606220210220.8929@norge.freeshell.org>
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are
intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the
"bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Sam Heywood
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Old news about an unrepresentative minority. Because some macho
hetero
boys like to race cars and play "chicken," does not mean all heteros
do
so. Just more irrelevant anecdotes.
Come back when you've learned some logic.
It was just a simple statement of fact that I had presented, and you
yourself admitted that it is true. I presented that fact because I
figured that many people in these newsgroups might not be aware that
there really are some "bug chasers".
BTW, do you know what logic is? I really would like to learn something
about it.
Sam Heywood
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You went from saying "a lot" to "some". So you know you were lying the
first time then. Does it feel good to lie for Jesus? There are some
straight men like to murder thier girlfriends. Should I condem all
straight men for that?
tulle
I'd suggest he also learn some statistics, too, especially the concept
of "representative sample." This seems to be a real problem with some
people.
You know damn well I wasn't making a statistical claim.
Yup. We all know you're blowing hot air out your homophobic *****.
[snip]
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| User: "Strife767" |
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22 Jun 2006 07:15:57 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:19:28 -0400, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
<snipped>
Hey Craig, you sound like the poster child to be an AID's virgin.
If you've never gotten yet, how about we inject you with it?
Did you know that there really are a lot of people who are intentionally
seeking to get infected with the AID's virus? They are called the "bug
chasers". I heard a special news report about this bizarre behavior
several weeks ago on NPR radio.
Yeah, in the same way that there are "a lot of people" who are over the age
of 110. *rolls eyes*
"Although "bug chasing" has been occurring for several years, the phenomenon
gained press coverage - and notoriety - after Rolling Stone magazine printed
an article in 2003 by a freelance journalist, Gregory Freeman, entitled "Bug
Chasers: The men who long to be HIV+". The article provoked a storm of
controversy, primarily because based on the statistics in the article, it
suggested that the practice might be relatively common. The reliability of
that article has been questioned, as it cited only two sources. One, who
claimed that as many as 25% of HIV+ men had contracted it on purpose, gave
his information anonymously. The other source was a doctor who, when
confronted, denied the quotes attributed to him in the article." --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_chasing#Press
http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news2003/jan03/jan20/5_fri/news5friday.html
That is nothing but a sensationalized, exaggerated story of the actions of a
_tiny_ minority of homosexuals' actions. And the fact that the most famous
article on bugchasing has been found to have dishonestly misquoted doctors
says a lot about how prevalent it _really_ is. Fact is, I had never even
_heard_ of "bugchasing" before some troll in APH mentioned it and tried to
make it sound like an everyday homosexual activity. For shame.
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| User: "pi-ra-mid" |
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22 Jun 2006 11:01:16 PM |
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There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
-- Craig Chilton
The bed is undefiled in marriage only.
Also, it is a sign of purity, and hence two virgins on their wedding night
wouldnt transmit a disease.
All of gods mannerisms are for a reason, but first one must be filled with
the holy spirit in order to understand.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!" |
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23 Jun 2006 12:45:24 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:31:16 +0930,
"pi-ra-mid" <majesty@cobblestonemountain.org> wrote:
[ ... ]
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs. If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
The bed is undefiled in marriage only.
ROTFLMAO!!! As though a *bed* could by ANY stretch of the
imagination be "defiled" by ANYthing!! What o joke!
What next? A "defiled" ROCK? How about a "defiled" FORK?
Also, it is a sign of purity, and hence two virgins on their
wedding night wouldnt transmit a disease.
A drug addict who shares needles, and happens still to
be a virgin, would find THAT refreshing!
LOL!!!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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| User: "Bock" |
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22 Jun 2006 11:44:38 PM |
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pi-ra-mid wrote:
There ARE some good and valid reasons for doing so, however.
And the most valid of those is the fact that abstinence IS the
greatest defense against catching or transmitting STDs.
Well, not necessarily. You can remain a virgin but get herpes and other
sexually transmitted diseases through kissing although less risky.
And being a virgin doesn't mean you partner/spouse upon marriage is, was
or remains faithful.
If such
a reason as THAT is employed for retaining virginity, that's good
thinking. BUT... if a person does so *because* they've been
conned into thinking that there's some sort of "purity" associated
with virginity -- then THAT is as DUMB a reason as anyone could
fall for.
-- Craig Chilton
The bed is undefiled in marriage only.
Also, it is a sign of purity, and hence two virgins on their wedding night
wouldnt transmit a disease.
Well, I guess we need to define virgin and what diseases are we
excluding or including
as transmitted.
All of gods mannerisms are for a reason, but first one must be filled with
the holy spirit in order to understand.
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| User: "pi-ra-mid" |
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23 Jun 2006 09:19:26 AM |
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Well, I guess we need to define virgin and what diseases are we
excluding or including
as transmitted.
'''DISEASE''' is merely a word to describe something un-toward in
any functioning 'thing'.
Where the 'disease' comes from is known only to god and humans
who have an insight into such things. (satan too knows, for he is what
the base structure of 'disease' is in the first place.!)
Humans have been given an instruction book regarding themselves.;;;
Its not a mystery, its been around for years, but unfortunately, it was
also available to fools who decided to make a 'Religion' out of it.
Anyhow, the telling of what happened when mary was told she was
pregnant with the son of the creator is well documented and present in
every school when 5 year olds tell of christmas while their parents video
cam them doing it..... and love every minute. (cept 'belief')
What happened 2000 years ago regarding virginity, and what it has been
transposed to in 'todays' terms, is like comparing two dead opposites.
In regard to what 'disease' you want to include or dis-clude, why not just
sit on your porch at around 11pm and look up.
Take a look around at the size of the 'world' you really live in.
Soak it all in.
People get so hung up and strung out on 'problems' that only revolve around
their 'own' little circle. If only people took a look at the big picture.
If only people realised how 'small' the earth is in comparison to other
orbs that god made.
Disease, my friend, is not even really satans fault;; he tricked us so
well that we virtually wished it upon ourselves....
God said, " if you want to know the future, look in the past".
We were told of satans characteristics when he introduced himself to
to Adams wife. It was here that 'decisions' were made.
Even though we had a flood on this planet in the time of Noah, the same
'decision' followed,,,,, through a blackhole if you will, but stuck like
glue it did.
Bud, it doesnt really matter how much time you put into learning the
terminologies of which 'disease' will kill and which 'disease' wont kill,
and
which 'disease' looks like MnM's, ......... The only real condom
against 'disease' is the holy ghost.
But to get this 'condom', you have to be willing to understand that it costs
nothing. (this is one of the biggest hurdles purchasers have to cross.)
If you cannot 'believe' that it is free, then it simply wont be available to
you.
pi.
All that aside,
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23 Jun 2006 03:17:55 PM |
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"pi-ra-mid" <majesty@cobblestonemountain.org> wrote in message
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Well, I guess we need to define virgin and what diseases are we
excluding or including
as transmitted.
'''DISEASE''' is merely a word to describe something un-toward in
any functioning 'thing'.
Where the 'disease' comes from is known only to god and humans
who have an insight into such things.
That leaves out nitwits like you.
[snip remainder of off-your-meds babble]
[plonk]
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| User: "curtsybear" |
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23 Jun 2006 01:19:46 PM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.politics.homosexuality.]
On 2006-06-23, pi-ra-mid <majesty@cobblestonemountain.org> wrote:
What happened 2000 years ago regarding virginity, and what it has been
transposed to in 'todays' terms, is like comparing two dead opposites.
You're right. back then they let virgins give birth. These days,
we insist on them having sex first.
In regard to what 'disease' you want to include or dis-clude, why not just
sit on your porch at around 11pm and look up.
My porch roof is diseased?
Is dis-clude like occlude? Or more like the quaalude that you just took?
Take a look around at the size of the 'world' you really live in.
Well, they say the world around me is getting obese. Is that
expansionist, or does it mean that I'm just way behind the curve?
Soak it all in.
Like Palmolive?
People get so hung up and strung out on 'problems' that only revolve around
their 'own' little circle.
Man I hate to be strung out when I get hung up. Especially when
things are revolving around my little circle. If I bend over, could
you shoo those revolving things away from my little circle?
If only people took a look at the big picture.
When I was in DC, they had lots of big pictures in the gallery of
art. Which one was I supposed to look at? Are there penalities
for looking at the others?
If only people realised how 'small' the earth is in comparison to other
orbs that god made.
Well, given our reaction to gravity, a bigger orb would mean we'd
not be able to grow quite as tall -- and I like tall guys. Hell,
I like the short ones too. But prolly not as short as they'd be
at five to ten gravities.
Disease, my friend, is not even really satans fault;; he tricked us so
well that we virtually wished it upon ourselves....
Every night right before the fourth-grade science project was due.
God said, " if you want to know the future, look in the past".
But for god's sake don't look at the present -- I screwed that thing
up royally!
We were told of satans characteristics when he introduced himself to
to Adams wife.
Is it him in drag what gave an apple to snow white? Or was that
sleeping beauty?
It was here that 'decisions' were made.
Oooh. Adam and Eve and Bush... The DECIDERS!
Even though we had a flood on this planet in the time of Noah, the same
'decision' followed,,,,, through a blackhole if you will, but stuck like
glue it did.
The flood only stuck to 2/3rds of the planet. 70% at most. The
rest is pretty dry sometimes. And the only blackhole I know of,
with authentic sucking sound, is the cable bill. And the stuff on
cable.
Bud, it doesnt really matter how much time you put into learning the
terminologies of which 'disease' will kill and which 'disease' wont kill,
and
which 'disease' looks like MnM's, .........
There's a disease what looks like M&Ms? Do they have to isolate
you from little children so they don't keep picking at and eating
the sores?
The only real condom
against 'disease' is the holy ghost.
New! From Trojan! The Holy Ghost Condoms! With a texture like
sandpaper for nobody's pleaure!
But to get this 'condom', you have to be willing to understand that it costs
nothing. (this is one of the biggest hurdles purchasers have to cross.)
They give away condoms for free? Is this a bar? Am I that drunk
already? What's this hurdle doing between me and the condoms? Like
I can lift one leg without falling down right now!!
If you cannot 'believe' that it is free, then it simply wont be available to
you.
pi.
Whee! Free pie!
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"Boom, boom, bang, bang - NEXT!!!" -- Lurlean Tucker recites the first
nursery rhyme she learned from her 'mama'.
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21 Jun 2006 04:28:04 PM |
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Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!! wrote:
June 21, 2006 Update:
When this thread originally ran, several people made the
mistake of thinking that I openly advocated that virgins simply
scrap virginity for the sake of getting that done. Looking it over
again now, I can see how they got that impression. So now
I'll clarify.
What I meant then, and still mean now, is THIS:
Who cares what you meant. Did you get any?
Retaining one's sexual virginity for virginity's sake -- as though
there were supposedly some "special" quality, or some sort of
"purity" associated with it, is abjectly STUPID.
Who cares.
You're going to need tracts and other literature:
http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/The_Loving_Jesus_Series
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Get us the hell OUT of Iraq -- NOW!!!" |
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22 Jun 2006 01:42:02 AM |
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On 21 Jun 2006 14:28:04 -0700,
"Ozzy" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"The Virginity Mystique"
Has anyone ever given serious consideration as to WHY an
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