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"J Young" |
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12 Dec 2005 11:15:24 PM |
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There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter. In a voice filled
with weariness and irony, she told me that she had to place her sixteen
year old daughter on birth control pills since she and her boyfriend were
now into a "meaningful relationship." Her absolute powerlessness in the
face of her daughter's insistence on being sexually active seemed so
typical of how parents are portrayed in the media, on television and in
the movies that I had to wonder if the influence of these powerful means
of communication may be at the roots of the confusion of so many
parents today.
There is a commonly held belief in the modern self-serving
religion of "feel goodism," that the two most dreaded events in a
teenager's life are pregnancy and the AIDS virus. The biggest "sin" one
can commit in this "religion" is the practice of unsafe sex. It is into this
confused society that we must eventually release our children. We,
therefore, must--no option here--we must be conduits of the truth as the
revealed word of God long before the illusions of society make
themselves known to the child.
Morality certainly has a wide range of interpretations. We have
the certainty of truth which the Catholic Church has provided. Deo
gratias! The rules of morality have been detailed, most recently in the
new Catechism of the Catholic Church.
What is education in sexuality? It is neither a series of "thou shalt
nots" nor a laissez faire policy in which the fingers are crossed in hopes
that the child will pick it up on his or her own. No, it is nothing else
than
a gentle, ongoing, reality-based introduction into adult living. Why
"reality-based?" Because modern thought in this area is fraught with
deception and omission.
Many people today are living an illusion. Anything which does
not have the interests of the Creator as its end and is therefore opposed
to
the truth, as revealed to the Church, must be called an illusion.
Commonplace are lifestyles and behaviors which, even thirty years ago
would have been condemned by most people. The modern divorce and
remarriage rate is at least fifty percent; homosexuality is not only
tolerated, but promoted as a healthy lifestyle; abortion on demand is
normative; fornication is so "normal" that chastity is considered not only
out-moded, but unhealthy. It is therefore essential to instruct children,
from the earliest age, in the Church's teachings. By itself, sex education
is
intrusive, inadequate and even scandalous to a youngster in his
formative years. Without the necessary moral underpinning, modern sex
education can be excessively stimulating to a young mind at best and
pornographic at its worst. Children must be taught the morality which
should underlie not only their sexual conduct, but all their actions.
What is morality? Morality is defined as the relation between a
human act and the final destiny of a human being. It is the norm of
behavior that flows from each person's ultimate end, which is the
possession of God in the Beatific Vision. Our decisions, therefore, can
have eternal consequences.
So detailed is the Church's provision for direction in one of the most
sensitive areas of human life, that the new Catechism enumerates three
sources of morality: " The morality of human acts depends on: the object
chosen; the end in view or the intention; and the circumstances of the
action". And so, in weighing any human action against the laws
of God, we must place them before the tribunal of the teaching Church.
No human authority can reinterpret or change the deposit of truth.
To be noted is that morality should be solidly Catholic, not merely
Christian. Parents should, whenever possible, consult sound Catholic
sources. Many so-called Christian churches allow the practice of
contraception. Divorce and remarriage are permitted as well, in many
mainline Protestant Churches.
Who should give children their introduction into human sexuality?
No one is more qualified than the child's parents because they are the
bridge whom God has provided between the child and the world. They
are in place to give a gentle, ongoing introduction to family life. The
home is still the womb of the family. The peaceful cushion of the home
insulates the child from what must be called the lies of the world.
Outside of the walls of the home is a world hell- bent on stealing the
innocence of children. Examples are all too well-known: pornography,
rock music, the drug culture, gangs, the "new morality" and most
important and pervasive, the intrusion of school- based sex education
programs. To be especially noted is the intrusion of television into the
home from which children are daily indoctrinated in the morality of the
producers. In one study, well over 90% of producers and directors
admitted they did not believe in God! No surprise when one considers
the moral degradation and violence broadcast 24 hours every day on
television, but especially during prime time hours on the major networks.
When should we begin to teach our children about their sexuality?
Like prayer, it should begin before birth. A child who is deeply loved
from conception will be secure and assured of his own unique place in
life. As he grows, he will ask questions about life and living; about
himself and about God. Each stage is marked by its own capacities and
abilities to learn. The parents, understanding and loving their children
as no one else could, will be available to answer all their questions. The
should be answered honestly and appropriately to their age level while
all the time respecting their uniqueness. They are temples of the Holy
Spirit. As adolescence approaches, a providential time and place for girls
and boys to be introduced to their reproductive gifts and functions will
become apparent. Family and individual prayer and the frequent
reception of the sacraments is not only encouraged, but absolutely
necessary to insure chastity not only for the children, but for the parents
as well.
How to teach it? Because each child is so unique, the parents'
approach should be tailored to him or her. The subject is so delicate not
because we Catholics are " prudish or old-fashioned" but because it is
natural. God has implanted in every human person a holy shame.
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said it best when he described the natural shyness
of even small boys and girls when in each other's company. Because of
the potential for life within little girls, little boys are aware of this a
young age. This, therefore, is why girls and boys usually play separately
and make them shy around each other. The girl's future ability to
become a mother makes little boys deeply aware of their differences even
though it is mainly subconscious. (Modern educators pass this off as guilt
which our parents impose!)
Much of what they teach their children will be unspoken. A new
baby is expected; the child notices his mother's abdomen swell. The baby
is nursed at his mother's breast as the child plays beside her. The
parents
embrace; the child smiles contentedly. All of these loving, nurturing
family experiences are as surely assimilated by the child as is any learning
experience.
Parents should answer questions about human sexuality with
matter-of-fact, but honest answers. Anatomical names should be used for
body parts, no matter what the age. If a child hears sensitive information
from his parents first, he will be better equipped to deal with the
inevitable street vocabulary. He will also be less likely to use
denigrating
language with his peers.
"Where did I come from?" could mean when and where did my life
begin, or it could also mean "in which state was I born?" A sensitive
parent will not answer delicate questions before the child is ready. Each
child's uniqueness is a serious factor. Each stage of development in a
child's life signals a new readiness to receive more detailed information
That is why the classroom is the poorest place for a child to hear about
reproduction and sexuality. It removes a child's right to private,
individual, one on one instruction in the most highly sensitive area of
human behavior. The imposition of information before the child is ready
to hear it could do irreparable damage. Gender differences, femaleness
and maleness, are not interchangeable, as though men and women are
blended into some kind of androgynous conglomerate. Men and women;
boys and girls are different because God made them to complement each
other.
Three modes of living are especially important in the nineties.
During the Vietnam war, one prisoner of war noted that they carried him
successfully through seven years of horrible torture, starvation and
deprivation. All his life he had practiced moderation, kept order and
exercised discipline. This is no easy task in this modern age where
feeling good and creature comforts are of prime importance. If a child
observes his parents denying themselves occasionally, being orderly not
only in the home but in their activities and using firm but loving
discipline in raising them, the groundwork will be laid for their own
future struggles, especially in the use of self-restraint when adolescence
arrives with its powerful urges.
The ultimate end of each thought, word and deed of every
creature should be to give glory to Almighty God. We give glory to God
when we not only respond--with the graces He has given us--to His holy
will, but we actually embrace His holy will, no matter what it is, painful
or pleasant. The new Catechism explains how parents must regard their
children: "Showing themselves obedient to the will of the Father in
heaven, [parents] educate their children to fulfill God's law".
We can be certain that if the Church teaches it, it is indeed His holy will
to
give strong example and to teach them about God's loving plan for the
human race that we might all enjoy a happy eternity. The new
Catechism of the Catholic Church is an excellent source for parents to
consult as they "raise up their children in the way they should go."
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| User: "Frank Arthur" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 06:48:53 AM |
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"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity
been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride
and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both,
superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and
Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fKGdnWGKl_h5xQPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter. In a voice
filled
with weariness and irony, she told me that she had to place her sixteen
year old daughter on birth control pills since she and her boyfriend were
now into a "meaningful relationship." Her absolute powerlessness in the
face of her daughter's insistence on being sexually active seemed so
typical of how parents are portrayed in the media, on television and in
the movies that I had to wonder if the influence of these powerful means
of communication may be at the roots of the confusion of so many
parents today.
There is a commonly held belief in the modern self-serving
religion of "feel goodism," that the two most dreaded events in a
teenager's life are pregnancy and the AIDS virus. The biggest "sin" one
can commit in this "religion" is the practice of unsafe sex. It is into
this
confused society that we must eventually release our children. We,
therefore, must--no option here--we must be conduits of the truth as the
revealed word of God long before the illusions of society make
themselves known to the child.
Morality certainly has a wide range of interpretations. We have
the certainty of truth which the Catholic Church has provided. Deo
gratias! The rules of morality have been detailed, most recently in the
new Catechism of the Catholic Church.
What is education in sexuality? It is neither a series of "thou shalt
nots" nor a laissez faire policy in which the fingers are crossed in
hopes
that the child will pick it up on his or her own. No, it is nothing else
than
a gentle, ongoing, reality-based introduction into adult living. Why
"reality-based?" Because modern thought in this area is fraught with
deception and omission.
Many people today are living an illusion. Anything which does
not have the interests of the Creator as its end and is therefore opposed
to
the truth, as revealed to the Church, must be called an illusion.
Commonplace are lifestyles and behaviors which, even thirty years ago
would have been condemned by most people. The modern divorce and
remarriage rate is at least fifty percent; homosexuality is not only
tolerated, but promoted as a healthy lifestyle; abortion on demand is
normative; fornication is so "normal" that chastity is considered not only
out-moded, but unhealthy. It is therefore essential to instruct
children,
from the earliest age, in the Church's teachings. By itself, sex
education
is
intrusive, inadequate and even scandalous to a youngster in his
formative years. Without the necessary moral underpinning, modern sex
education can be excessively stimulating to a young mind at best and
pornographic at its worst. Children must be taught the morality which
should underlie not only their sexual conduct, but all their actions.
What is morality? Morality is defined as the relation between a
human act and the final destiny of a human being. It is the norm of
behavior that flows from each person's ultimate end, which is the
possession of God in the Beatific Vision. Our decisions, therefore, can
have eternal consequences.
So detailed is the Church's provision for direction in one of the most
sensitive areas of human life, that the new Catechism enumerates three
sources of morality: " The morality of human acts depends on: the object
chosen; the end in view or the intention; and the circumstances of the
action". And so, in weighing any human action against the laws
of God, we must place them before the tribunal of the teaching Church.
No human authority can reinterpret or change the deposit of truth.
To be noted is that morality should be solidly Catholic, not merely
Christian. Parents should, whenever possible, consult sound Catholic
sources. Many so-called Christian churches allow the practice of
contraception. Divorce and remarriage are permitted as well, in many
mainline Protestant Churches.
Who should give children their introduction into human sexuality?
No one is more qualified than the child's parents because they are the
bridge whom God has provided between the child and the world. They
are in place to give a gentle, ongoing introduction to family life.
The
home is still the womb of the family. The peaceful cushion of the home
insulates the child from what must be called the lies of the world.
Outside of the walls of the home is a world hell- bent on stealing the
innocence of children. Examples are all too well-known: pornography,
rock music, the drug culture, gangs, the "new morality" and most
important and pervasive, the intrusion of school- based sex education
programs. To be especially noted is the intrusion of television into the
home from which children are daily indoctrinated in the morality of the
producers. In one study, well over 90% of producers and directors
admitted they did not believe in God! No surprise when one considers
the moral degradation and violence broadcast 24 hours every day on
television, but especially during prime time hours on the major networks.
When should we begin to teach our children about their sexuality?
Like prayer, it should begin before birth. A child who is deeply loved
from conception will be secure and assured of his own unique place in
life. As he grows, he will ask questions about life and living; about
himself and about God. Each stage is marked by its own capacities and
abilities to learn. The parents, understanding and loving their children
as no one else could, will be available to answer all their questions.
The
should be answered honestly and appropriately to their age level while
all the time respecting their uniqueness. They are temples of the Holy
Spirit. As adolescence approaches, a providential time and place for
girls
and boys to be introduced to their reproductive gifts and functions will
become apparent. Family and individual prayer and the frequent
reception of the sacraments is not only encouraged, but absolutely
necessary to insure chastity not only for the children, but for the
parents
as well.
How to teach it? Because each child is so unique, the parents'
approach should be tailored to him or her. The subject is so delicate
not
because we Catholics are " prudish or old-fashioned" but because it is
natural. God has implanted in every human person a holy shame.
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said it best when he described the natural shyness
of even small boys and girls when in each other's company. Because of
the potential for life within little girls, little boys are aware of this
a
young age. This, therefore, is why girls and boys usually play separately
and make them shy around each other. The girl's future ability to
become a mother makes little boys deeply aware of their differences even
though it is mainly subconscious. (Modern educators pass this off as
guilt
which our parents impose!)
Much of what they teach their children will be unspoken. A new
baby is expected; the child notices his mother's abdomen swell. The baby
is nursed at his mother's breast as the child plays beside her. The
parents
embrace; the child smiles contentedly. All of these loving, nurturing
family experiences are as surely assimilated by the child as is any
learning
experience.
Parents should answer questions about human sexuality with
matter-of-fact, but honest answers. Anatomical names should be used for
body parts, no matter what the age. If a child hears sensitive
information
from his parents first, he will be better equipped to deal with the
inevitable street vocabulary. He will also be less likely to use
denigrating
language with his peers.
"Where did I come from?" could mean when and where did my life
begin, or it could also mean "in which state was I born?" A sensitive
parent will not answer delicate questions before the child is ready.
Each
child's uniqueness is a serious factor. Each stage of development in a
child's life signals a new readiness to receive more detailed information
That is why the classroom is the poorest place for a child to hear about
reproduction and sexuality. It removes a child's right to private,
individual, one on one instruction in the most highly sensitive area of
human behavior. The imposition of information before the child is ready
to hear it could do irreparable damage. Gender differences, femaleness
and maleness, are not interchangeable, as though men and women are
blended into some kind of androgynous conglomerate. Men and women;
boys and girls are different because God made them to complement each
other.
Three modes of living are especially important in the nineties.
During the Vietnam war, one prisoner of war noted that they carried him
successfully through seven years of horrible torture, starvation and
deprivation. All his life he had practiced moderation, kept order and
exercised discipline. This is no easy task in this modern age where
feeling good and creature comforts are of prime importance. If a child
observes his parents denying themselves occasionally, being orderly not
only in the home but in their activities and using firm but loving
discipline in raising them, the groundwork will be laid for their own
future struggles, especially in the use of self-restraint when
adolescence
arrives with its powerful urges.
The ultimate end of each thought, word and deed of every
creature should be to give glory to Almighty God. We give glory to God
when we not only respond--with the graces He has given us--to His holy
will, but we actually embrace His holy will, no matter what it is, painful
or pleasant. The new Catechism explains how parents must regard their
children: "Showing themselves obedient to the will of the Father in
heaven, [parents] educate their children to fulfill God's law".
We can be certain that if the Church teaches it, it is indeed His holy
will
to
give strong example and to teach them about God's loving plan for the
human race that we might all enjoy a happy eternity. The new
Catechism of the Catholic Church is an excellent source for parents to
consult as they "raise up their children in the way they should go."
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 12:01:34 AM |
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
--Adolph Hitler
"The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral
purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions
necessary for a really profound revival of religious life" --Adolph Hitler
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator.
By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."
--Adolph Hitler
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will
of the Almighty Creator."
--Adolph Hitler
"What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence
of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill
the mission assigned to it by the Creator." --Adolph Hitler
"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without
the practical existence of a religious belief." --Adolph Hitler
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
The best way to support the troops right now
is to take them out of hazard's way. -- U.S. Army Lt. Gen. William Odem (Ret.)
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 12:01:34 AM |
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"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"
--Adolph Hitler
"The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral
purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions
necessary for a really profound revival of religious life" --Adolph Hitler
"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator.
By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."
--Adolph Hitler
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will
of the Almighty Creator."
--Adolph Hitler
"What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence
of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill
the mission assigned to it by the Creator." --Adolph Hitler
"This human world of ours would be inconceivable without
the practical existence of a religious belief." --Adolph Hitler
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
The best way to support the troops right now
is to take them out of hazard's way. -- U.S. Army Lt. Gen. William Odem (Ret.)
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 07:42:19 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fKGdnWGKl_h5xQPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter. In a voice
filled
with weariness and irony, she told me that she had to place her sixteen
year old daughter on birth control pills since she and her boyfriend were
now into a "meaningful relationship."
'She had placed her daughter'
Now that is true Right Wing Islamo/Christian US of Arabia!
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| User: "• Ninure Saunders" |
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13 Dec 2005 08:58:57 AM |
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In article <fKGdnWGKl_h5xQPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "J Young"
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
<snip outright stolen material>
Sure there us!!
Luke 10:27 He answered: ³ ŒLove the Lord your God with all your heart
and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind¹
; and, ŒLove your neighbor as yourself.¹ ²
Rom. 13:9 The commandments, ³Do not commit adultery,² ³Do not murder,²
³Do not steal,² ³Do not covet,² and whatever other commandment there may
be, are summed up in this one rule: ³Love your neighbor as yourself.²
Gal. 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: ³Love your
neighbor as yourself.²
--
Pax Christi,
• Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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13 Dec 2005 02:23:18 AM |
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J Young wrote:
<snip>
This subject line is sad but true.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1122fushek22.html
Priest accused of sex crimes
Phoenix monsignor arrested on 10 counts
Michael Clancy
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 22, 2005 12:00 AM
Monsignor Dale Fushek, once one of the most popular and powerful priests
in the Phoenix Diocese, was accused Monday of sexual misconduct with
teenage boys and young men.
In announcing Fushek's arrest on 10 misdemeanor criminal counts,
Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas said, "It's troubling any time a
person in a position of public trust violates that."
Thomas said the investigation is continuing and that more serious
charges are possible.
--
--sexkitten--
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| User: "Richard Smol" |
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13 Dec 2005 02:52:14 AM |
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J Young wrote:
To be noted is that morality should be solidly Catholic, not merely
Christian.
Adolf Hitler thought the same.
RS
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| User: "William T. Goat" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 09:15:27 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter.
"If any man comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother
and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own
life, he cannot be My disciple."
--Jesus Christ
(Luke 14:26)
--Billy
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| User: "Gaia" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 06:47:49 AM |
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J Young wrote:
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter. In a voice filled
with weariness and irony, she told me that she had to place her sixteen
year old daughter on birth control pills since she and her boyfriend were
now into a "meaningful relationship."
Shame for you, isn't it.
Her absolute powerlessness in the
face of her daughter's insistence on being sexually active seemed so
typical of how parents are portrayed in the media, on television and in
the movies that I had to wonder if the influence of these powerful means
of communication may be at the roots of the confusion of so many
parents today.
Did you attain an erection?
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| User: "IBen Younger" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 11:27:04 PM |
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J Young wrote:
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter. In a voice filled
with weariness and irony, she told me that she had to place her sixteen
year old daughter on birth control pills since she and her boyfriend were
now into a "meaningful relationship." Her absolute powerlessness in the
face of her daughter's insistence on being sexually active seemed so
typical of how parents are portrayed in the media, on television and in
the movies that I had to wonder if the influence of these powerful means
of communication may be at the roots of the confusion of so many
parents today.
There is a commonly held belief in the modern self-serving
religion of "feel goodism," that the two most dreaded events in a
teenager's life are pregnancy and the AIDS virus. The biggest "sin" one
can commit in this "religion" is the practice of unsafe sex. It is into this
confused society that we must eventually release our children. We,
therefore, must--no option here--we must be conduits of the truth as the
revealed word of God long before the illusions of society make
themselves known to the child.
Morality certainly has a wide range of interpretations. We have
the certainty of truth which the Catholic Church has provided. Deo
gratias! The rules of morality have been detailed, most recently in the
new Catechism of the Catholic Church.
What is education in sexuality? It is neither a series of "thou shalt
nots" nor a laissez faire policy in which the fingers are crossed in hopes
that the child will pick it up on his or her own. No, it is nothing else
than
a gentle, ongoing, reality-based introduction into adult living. Why
"reality-based?" Because modern thought in this area is fraught with
deception and omission.
Many people today are living an illusion. Anything which does
not have the interests of the Creator as its end and is therefore opposed
to
the truth, as revealed to the Church, must be called an illusion.
Commonplace are lifestyles and behaviors which, even thirty years ago
would have been condemned by most people. The modern divorce and
remarriage rate is at least fifty percent; homosexuality is not only
tolerated, but promoted as a healthy lifestyle; abortion on demand is
normative; fornication is so "normal" that chastity is considered not only
out-moded, but unhealthy. It is therefore essential to instruct children,
from the earliest age, in the Church's teachings. By itself, sex education
is
intrusive, inadequate and even scandalous to a youngster in his
formative years. Without the necessary moral underpinning, modern sex
education can be excessively stimulating to a young mind at best and
pornographic at its worst. Children must be taught the morality which
should underlie not only their sexual conduct, but all their actions.
What is morality? Morality is defined as the relation between a
human act and the final destiny of a human being. It is the norm of
behavior that flows from each person's ultimate end, which is the
possession of God in the Beatific Vision. Our decisions, therefore, can
have eternal consequences.
So detailed is the Church's provision for direction in one of the most
sensitive areas of human life, that the new Catechism enumerates three
sources of morality: " The morality of human acts depends on: the object
chosen; the end in view or the intention; and the circumstances of the
action". And so, in weighing any human action against the laws
of God, we must place them before the tribunal of the teaching Church.
No human authority can reinterpret or change the deposit of truth.
To be noted is that morality should be solidly Catholic, not merely
Christian. Parents should, whenever possible, consult sound Catholic
sources. Many so-called Christian churches allow the practice of
contraception. Divorce and remarriage are permitted as well, in many
mainline Protestant Churches.
Who should give children their introduction into human sexuality?
No one is more qualified than the child's parents because they are the
bridge whom God has provided between the child and the world. They
are in place to give a gentle, ongoing introduction to family life. The
home is still the womb of the family. The peaceful cushion of the home
insulates the child from what must be called the lies of the world.
Outside of the walls of the home is a world hell- bent on stealing the
innocence of children. Examples are all too well-known: pornography,
rock music, the drug culture, gangs, the "new morality" and most
important and pervasive, the intrusion of school- based sex education
programs. To be especially noted is the intrusion of television into the
home from which children are daily indoctrinated in the morality of the
producers. In one study, well over 90% of producers and directors
admitted they did not believe in God! No surprise when one considers
the moral degradation and violence broadcast 24 hours every day on
television, but especially during prime time hours on the major networks.
When should we begin to teach our children about their sexuality?
Like prayer, it should begin before birth. A child who is deeply loved
from conception will be secure and assured of his own unique place in
life. As he grows, he will ask questions about life and living; about
himself and about God. Each stage is marked by its own capacities and
abilities to learn. The parents, understanding and loving their children
as no one else could, will be available to answer all their questions. The
should be answered honestly and appropriately to their age level while
all the time respecting their uniqueness. They are temples of the Holy
Spirit. As adolescence approaches, a providential time and place for girls
and boys to be introduced to their reproductive gifts and functions will
become apparent. Family and individual prayer and the frequent
reception of the sacraments is not only encouraged, but absolutely
necessary to insure chastity not only for the children, but for the parents
as well.
How to teach it? Because each child is so unique, the parents'
approach should be tailored to him or her. The subject is so delicate not
because we Catholics are " prudish or old-fashioned" but because it is
natural. God has implanted in every human person a holy shame.
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said it best when he described the natural shyness
of even small boys and girls when in each other's company. Because of
the potential for life within little girls, little boys are aware of this a
young age. This, therefore, is why girls and boys usually play separately
and make them shy around each other. The girl's future ability to
become a mother makes little boys deeply aware of their differences even
though it is mainly subconscious. (Modern educators pass this off as guilt
which our parents impose!)
Much of what they teach their children will be unspoken. A new
baby is expected; the child notices his mother's abdomen swell. The baby
is nursed at his mother's breast as the child plays beside her. The
parents
embrace; the child smiles contentedly. All of these loving, nurturing
family experiences are as surely assimilated by the child as is any learning
experience.
Parents should answer questions about human sexuality with
matter-of-fact, but honest answers. Anatomical names should be used for
body parts, no matter what the age. If a child hears sensitive information
from his parents first, he will be better equipped to deal with the
inevitable street vocabulary. He will also be less likely to use
denigrating
language with his peers.
"Where did I come from?" could mean when and where did my life
begin, or it could also mean "in which state was I born?" A sensitive
parent will not answer delicate questions before the child is ready. Each
child's uniqueness is a serious factor. Each stage of development in a
child's life signals a new readiness to receive more detailed information
That is why the classroom is the poorest place for a child to hear about
reproduction and sexuality. It removes a child's right to private,
individual, one on one instruction in the most highly sensitive area of
human behavior. The imposition of information before the child is ready
to hear it could do irreparable damage. Gender differences, femaleness
and maleness, are not interchangeable, as though men and women are
blended into some kind of androgynous conglomerate. Men and women;
boys and girls are different because God made them to complement each
other.
Three modes of living are especially important in the nineties.
During the Vietnam war, one prisoner of war noted that they carried him
successfully through seven years of horrible torture, starvation and
deprivation. All his life he had practiced moderation, kept order and
exercised discipline. This is no easy task in this modern age where
feeling good and creature comforts are of prime importance. If a child
observes his parents denying themselves occasionally, being orderly not
only in the home but in their activities and using firm but loving
discipline in raising them, the groundwork will be laid for their own
future struggles, especially in the use of self-restraint when adolescence
arrives with its powerful urges.
The ultimate end of each thought, word and deed of every
creature should be to give glory to Almighty God. We give glory to God
when we not only respond--with the graces He has given us--to His holy
will, but we actually embrace His holy will, no matter what it is, painful
or pleasant. The new Catechism explains how parents must regard their
children: "Showing themselves obedient to the will of the Father in
heaven, [parents] educate their children to fulfill God's law".
We can be certain that if the Church teaches it, it is indeed His holy will
to
give strong example and to teach them about God's loving plan for the
human race that we might all enjoy a happy eternity. The new
Catechism of the Catholic Church is an excellent source for parents to
consult as they "raise up their children in the way they should go."
But you see, Dear... You're living under the works of the flesh if
you're sucking on someone who's the SAME FUCKING SEX AS YOU ARE. You're
feeding the beast that Paul tells us is lasciviousness! Your Biblical
knowledge is therefore rendered null and void because you are living in
unrepented darkness, and oh how dark that darkness can be.
You want us to buy your KRAP, but the big question is... Will Christ
buy it...? Hard for someone like you to say, since you have absolutely
no fucking idea whatsoever who the hell He iz....
IBen
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Schizophrenic kook "IBen Younger" <> replied to himself in
message news:1134538024.368343.5400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The "other IBen", J Young wrote:
<Nothing. He stole someone else's work>
Your Biblical knowledge is therefore rendered null and void because you are
living in unrepented darkness, and oh how dark that darkness can be.
Nice of you to reply to your own post, "J Getiner".
Of course, we know how you apply your <ahem> 'Biblical wisdom':
"IBen (I don't question God...I just use 'em how ever I need to)Getiner"
From: (IBen Getiner)
Message-ID:
Y'know, when you make all these 'anti-cloning' trolls, it only highlights
your schizophrenia.
To wit:
From: "IBen Younger" <>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality
Date: 13 Dec 2005 21:27:04 -0800
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From: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
Newsgroups: alt.abortion
Subject: Re: Ban Osprey!
Date: 8 Sep 2005 21:17:01 -0700
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Too funny.
LC~ As always, Google ain't J/IBen's friend.
"You really are one stupid,juvenile *****. How much longer to you plan
to disrupt the intelligent people who post in alt.abortion,
alt.feminism,alt.politics.homosexuality, ect...? with your nonsense?"
J "IBen Getiner" Young, still disrupting intelligent people.
Message-ID: <1106757863.060253.62270@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
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J Young wrote:
To be noted is that morality should be solidly Catholic, not merely
Christian.
So that, whenever needed, the sheeple will accept and even cheer on the next
crusade, witch burning or inquisition.
Sieg heil!
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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13 Dec 2005 06:18:38 PM |
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Liar and thief "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fKGdnWGKl_h5xQPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter. In a voice
filled with weariness and irony,
<J "IBen Getiner" Young's stolen screed dumped>
Well, add "thief" to "J Young's" laundry list of character faults:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/FAMILY/TEACHMOR.TXT
LC~ Not that anyone believed a moron limited to cut and paste trolls would
actually effort himself to 'write'. So much for all those "decency and
morality" trolls.
"The difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that the latter
regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked and he has not been
caught."~ H. L. Mencken
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He lifted his moniker from somebody he trolled, too.
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"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in message
news:1134537028.189653.292460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
He lifted his moniker from somebody he trolled, too.
Yup. Way back in the day, when he was satisfied trolling sports-oriented
'froups.
"Jon Young" rips off an ID and gets busted:
"On behalf of all Ravens fans. I say to all you Broncos fans. "
HA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-...... and stay off our groups board."
Jon Young.
From: (Jon Young)
Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.denver-broncos
Subject: Ravens26-Broncos6 : Ha-ha-ha-ha !!!!
Date: 26 Oct 2003 19:15:15 -0800
Message-ID: <567f3dc3.0310261915.51d1c6ae@posting.google.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.252.163 (AOL)
To which the "real" JD Young replied:
"Hey Folks,
This isn't my style. I'm a regular in the Ravens group
(the few of us that actually post there that is). Someone spoofed my
userid with a cheap ***** Hotmail account. Sorry about that."
From: "Jon Young" <jdyou...@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: alt.sports.football.pro.denver-broncos
Subject: Re: Ravens26-Broncos6 : Ha-ha-ha-ha !!!!
Message-ID: <8Pknb.8998$FI2.3853@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:49:40 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.71.122.93
LC~ October, 2003: The fateful month that "IBen Getiner" became "J Young"
and a host of other forgeries.
"anal stimulation with a ***** helps enhance the spanking experience."
From: (Jon Young), a demented perv that loves his
spankings.
Newsgroups: soc.sexuality.spanking
Subject: best done with help
Date: 5 Oct 2003 18:00:43 -0700
Message-ID: <567f3dc3.0310051700.31b4eb95@posting.google.com>
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13 Dec 2005 08:48:26 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:18:38 -0600, "LC" <LCisnot@this.com> wrote in
message <dnnod001dic@enews1.newsguy.com>
Liar and thief "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fKGdnWGKl_h5xQPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter. In a voice
filled with weariness and irony,
<J "IBen Getiner" Young's stolen screed dumped>
Well, add "thief" to "J Young's" laundry list of character faults:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/FAMILY/TEACHMOR.TXT
ROFL! Good catch, although not entirely unexpected.
LC~ Not that anyone believed a moron limited to cut and paste trolls would
actually effort himself to 'write'. So much for all those "decency and
morality" trolls.
"The difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that the latter
regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked and he has not been
caught."~ H. L. Mencken
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"Boy Toy" <BoyToy@Toyz4Boyz.com> wrote in message
news:2u1vp11tsg6ok421ua7oo78ojh1jjm4jik@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:18:38 -0600, "LC" <LCisnot@this.com> wrote in
message <dnnod001dic@enews1.newsguy.com>
Liar and thief "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fKGdnWGKl_h5xQPenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Recently, the woman from whom I purchase my morning coffee
commented on the perils of raising her teenage daughter. In a voice
filled with weariness and irony,
<J "IBen Getiner" Young's stolen screed dumped>
Well, add "thief" to "J Young's" laundry list of character faults:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/FAMILY/TEACHMOR.TXT
ROFL! Good catch, although not entirely unexpected.
Hey...if it's more than two sentences-and at least semi-coherent-it wasn't
authored by J/IBen.
Check out his current 'anti-cloning' troll, stolen and unattributed, for
further evidence of this.
LC~ Not that anyone believed a moron limited to cut and paste trolls would
actually effort himself to 'write'. So much for all those "decency and
morality" trolls.
"The difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that the latter
regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked and he has not been
caught."~ H. L. Mencken
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13 Dec 2005 02:18:07 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
Morality certainly has a wide range of interpretations.
It certainly does. And few people get it WRONG more that we
see in the cases of the catholic church and the RRR Cult (of which
there is a degree of overlap, in the case of those two sets.)
For example, in another post, you said:
These five current issues concern actions that are intrinsic-
ally evil and must never be promoted by the law.
And it was downhill from there, as you got everything, as they
say, "bass-ackwards." So I pointed out the following FACTS:
Yep. In no particular order, those five current aspects of
society which are intrinsically evil and should NEVER be condoned
by the law are:
-- Intolerance based on **trivial** matters.
-- Discrimination against people over *trivialities*.
-- Hatefulness toward ANY neighbors for no good reason.
-- Busybodyism/buttinskiness/control-freakishness.
-- Mindless bigotry w/respect to people over trivial
matters, or against any aspect of society that is
**beneficial** to significant numbers of people
while being totally harmless to others.
Truly MINDLESS and hateful people (as we see in the case
of this era's loathsome RRR Cultists) actually are STUPID enough
to disparage the following, and thus cause themselves to be guilty
of **all five** of the ABOVE sociopathic traits:
-- Abortion...
...which is nothing but a harmless and hugely-*beneficial*
REMEDY for the unwanted medical condition of ill-timed and
unwanted pregnancy for all girls and women who *choose* it.
And who thus are able RESTORE for themselves the well-being
and full range of future opportunities that they had available
PRIOR to the ill-timed pregnancy. Only a truly hateful and ignor-
ant DOLT would seek to *deprive* that option to women, which, if
accomplished, would impose IMMENSE hardship upon no
fewer than tens of MILLIONS of women by FORCING childbirth
upon them. AGAINST their will. Resulting in the DENIAL of
their rights... their RELEGATION to second-class-citizen status...
their INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE to mere, NON-sentient,
Stage 2, 3, and 4 reproductive-process entities which are,
in all important ways, equivalent to the Stage 1 entities that one
so *hypocritically* does NOT "defend"-- which *also* are
human, unique, alive, and comprise a stage of development
without which NO births would occur. UNwanted entities which
the WOMEN very sensibly, under their circumstances, often
regard to be parasitic. Further manifestations of that hardship
would be the DISRUPTION of their well-being, both short-term
and long-term (as in, for decades or a lifetime)... and the
DESTRUCTION of countless of their opportunities.
-- Euthanasia (mercy killing), when in line with one's wishes.
This also is called "death with dignity" when it is pro-actively
sought by a person suffering painfully from a terminal condition. And
thereby is a very compassionate option, in these cases. (Again, a
private matter that only a hatful and buttinskyish DOLT would seek
to interfere with, providing rigid safeguards against abuse were
already in place and being enforced.
-- Embryonic Stem Cell Research
The potential for HUGE medical breakthroughs to be derived
from this precludes and negates any and all vacuous and
specious whinings from doltish busybodies. Any embryos which
are NOT being purposely gestated by a pregnant woman are
as worthless, intrinsically-speaking, as are entities of*another*
stage of the reproductive process. All of which ALSO are --as
a stage -- indispensable to all births. And -- human, unique, and
living *potential* people. Which are being **electively** aborted
at the rate of more than a *quadrillion* per DAY, worldwide... while
the hypocritical whiney bigots look the other way and whistle a
tune.
-- Human Cloning
One of the most EXCITING and fascinating medical aspects of
our new century. As U.S. Senator Tom Harkin said...
"This has enormous potential for good, There should be no
limits on human knowledge, none whatever. To those like Presi-
dent Clinton who say we can't play God, I say OK, fine, you can
take your side alongside Pope Paul V who in 1616 tried to stop
Galileo, they accused Galileo of trying to play God too. [...] I don't
think cloning is demeaning to human nature, to attempt to limit
human knowledge is demeaning. It's not legitimate to try to stop
cloning. What nonsense, what utter, utter nonsense to think we
can hold up our hand and just say "stop". Cloning will continue,
the human mind will continue to inquire into it. Human cloning will
take place and it will take place in my lifetime, and I don't fear it
at all. I want to be on the side of the Galileos and those who say
the human mind has no limits, rather than trying to stop something
that's going to happen anyway."
- US Senator Tom Harkin, (D) IA
From: http://www.humancloning.org/harkin.htm
-- Same-sex marriage
An accelerating recognition of this EQUAL right of which
homosexuals can access is in progress around the world, and
just within the last week Britain demonstrated its enlightenment
in that regard.
It is hard to imagine anything more TRIVIAL that could be
opposed by PETTY and hateful people. To see the last signif-
icant example of such abject stupidity, we have to g back more
than 40 years in our memory, and look at the segregationists.
total dolts who actually believed that there were ANY possible
justification for discriminating against people based on -- of all
things!! -- something as utterly **trivial** as the color of their
skin!
And THAT is precisely as doltish as are today's RRR Cultists
when they seek to prevent the legalization of same-sex marriage.
(Which, interestingly, *already* is legal throughout the USA, despite
the recent spate of passage of so-called "DOMA" (Defense Of
Marriage Act) legislation, and anti-same-sex-marriage amendments
to state constitutions -- because there is NOTHING in the U.S.
Constitution that provides for such discrimination. And the U.S.
Constitution supercedes all other law in the USA.
Nothing could possibly be more **harmless** than legal
same-sex marriage. There is NO WAY that any opposite-sex
couple's marriage could be threatened or harmed in any way
if a same-sex couple (for example) that's been cohabiting in their
community for years finds that they can become legally married
and then does so.
AND, despite the obvious benefits to gays that are accorded
by legal marriage, there also is the matter of monogamy. Even
though millions of married partners fail at this, being married IS
an added *encouragement* to monogamy... and monogamy is
the SAFEST form of Safe Sex.
Thus, if universal recognition of the legality of same-sex
marriage were to result in even ONE person's life having been
spared from premature death via HIV/AIDS, then **that alone**
would be MORE than enough reason to make same-sex marriage
legally available to all same-sex partners who choose it.
It's the best possible combination for dedicated gay couples:
An encouragement to monogamy that can spare them from
contracting STDs -- along with all the other benefits of marriage --
and totally -- as in 100%!! -- harmless to anyone and everyone.
The sky didn't fall in 1967 when ALL bans on interracial mar-
riage were struck down. Society was ENHANCED by the end
of that absurd bigotry... JUST as it will be enhanced by the end
of the nonsensical exclusionary aspects of marriage today in
places where same-sex marriage has not yet been recognized
as legal.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
America's mentally-challenged version of the Taliban.
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13 Dec 2005 03:09:21 AM |
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
Morality certainly has a wide range of interpretations.
It certainly does. And few people get it WRONG more that we
see in the cases of the catholic church and the RRR Cult (of which
there is a degree of overlap, in the case of those two sets.)
For example, in another post, you said:
<snip bumbling stumbling batch of LIES>
No, Xraig... In another post I said:
IBen Getiner
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fatherrich...@oecadvantage.net (Fr. Richard Hill) wrote in message
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As an Old Catholic Priest, I am the friend of many Roman Religious as
well as Protestant. Please do not "plonk" those who have no way to
express themselves but in anger. Priest do not mind their anger (in
general). Some of it is forged in the furnance of true desire for
truth. We love all who seek the truth, even those who do it in anger.
There is a chance that our loving work will turn their anger into
question. Their show of doubt and hatred is not really towards us, but
towards the weakness in the man who represents the strong belief that
they feel has let them down. Unfortunatly, it may have basis in some
event in their lives.
I say to them, please accept my humble appology for all that anyone
has done wrong to you, especially those in collar.
Now, with Love, IBen, what is the real complaint against those who
do as much as the Catholics do to show the love of Christ? What do you
suggest different that you are doing?
No Catholic has ever wronged me in any way. I just know hypocrisy and
corruption smells like when I get close to it.
You represent the great mother ***** of religion on planet earth. You
control the thoughts, minds, hearts and purse-strings of millions who
do not have the strength to do these things for themselves. And by
doing so, you prevent them from ever really reaching the one and only
person who can help them to become the person the Father really wants
them to be.
South America is a good place to start.
I'm so sorry for the utter billions who will be eternally damned to
hell because of your church. And so many of them are driven off to
become atheist or haters of God because of it. I've seen them all my
life.
On that day, Christ said you will tell Him... "Have we not done great
works in your name? And healed the sick and driven out demons?", and
He will answer... "I NEVER KNEW YOU... Depart from me, you workers of
iniquity".
"I never KNEW YOU".
The important word here is KNEW. He does not know your church. It is
a dead church. This is obvious by your fruits. He said that a tree is
know by it's fruits. And that without Him, you can produce nothing.
Right now, your church is showing the world it's true fruit... What it
is capable of producing.
How many LIVES have you monsters destroyed?
This is not to say that thru it all, some may have found God, even
there. People find Him in many evil places. But by and large, it is my
opinion that the Catholic church is and has been down thru the
centuries, uninspired of God, totally political and greedy for power
of men.
You are one of the wide roads. Probably the biggest one of all.
IBen
http://groups.google.com/group/han.soc.religion.christianity.catholic/msg/f78f8b1272be4683?hl=en&
You see, Xraig... If you're GOING to credit me to the other guy, then
at LEAST do a little research.. Try to be a little more consistant next
time.
LOL!!
<snip the remainder of your utterly depraved, worthy-of-burning-hell,
morally twisted perverted posting>
IBen
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Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
"The catholic church is, for the most part, totally corrupt. The
perfect prototype of what a religion looks like when man is the
one who creates it. Not to say that people can't find God even
there... People find Him in many evil places. But for the most part,
the catholic church is the great mother ***** of religion on planet
earth. On that, we can agree. But the catholic faith is not the only
branch of the tree. Just one of the dead ones." ~ "IJon Getiner"
Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403060100.23b22815@posting.google.com>
"More evidence of catholic hypocrisy. Any religion that the main-stream
media embraces should be looked at very closely." ~ "IJon Getiner"
Message-ID:
"No Catholic has ever wronged me in any way. I just know hypocrisy and
corruption smells like when I get close to it.
You represent the great mother ***** of religion on planet earth. You
control the thoughts, minds, hearts and purse-strings of millions who
do not have the strength to do these things for themselves."
~ "IJon Getiner"
Message-ID:
"Ever notice that the mass media generally embraces Catholicism? This
should signal a red flag to any thinking soul in and of itself. I say
watch out for any religion that worships sinful mortals like the pope
or Mary."~ "IJon Getiner"
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LC~ "IBen" and "J Young": Twice the nyms with half the brains of the average
troll.
"Everyday a different computer, everyday a different Id (those may have
to be repeated after I run out of names and numbers with my free
accounts with hotmail and yahoo and volcanomail and msn ect...) which
will render a killfile absolutely useless."
From: "simon sez" <simonsez@volcanomail.com> aka "J Young", "IBen", etc.
Message-ID: <1124475530.860458.5110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
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| User: "Gaia" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 10:29:14 AM |
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LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 02:17:17 PM |
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"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
If "J Young" didn't have that anonymous AOL proxy to abuse, he'd really have
problems...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Cleveland 1 (December 11)
NEXT GAME: Friday, December 16 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 03:03:00 PM |
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"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
If "J Young" didn't have that anonymous AOL proxy to abuse, he'd really
have problems...
Hey, if his OCD- as manifested via Usenet- keeps this loon off the streets,
more the better.
Besides, he's cheap entertainment.
LC~ And the perfect bad example...
"I am an egalitarian. I am pro-woman, pro-gay, pro-child, anti-Bush."
From: (J Young), proving, once again, he's nothing if
not a pathological liar.
Newsgroups:
talk.abortion,alt.politics.homosexuality,tx.politics,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Straight men
Date: 13 Sep 2004 21:28:26 -0700
Message-ID: <9c2d0f9a.0409132028.141e055a@posting.google.com>
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 03:56:15 PM |
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"LC" <LCisnot@this.com> writes:
"The Chief Instigator" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
If "J Young" didn't have that anonymous AOL proxy to abuse, he'd really
have problems...
Hey, if his OCD- as manifested via Usenet- keeps this loon off the streets,
more the better.
If it keeps him away from the Lutherans, so much the better. (Mrs. Chief grew
up in that church.)
Besides, he's cheap entertainment.
LC~ And the perfect bad example...
I can't argue with that. (I could, but why? He's already gone the extra mile
to support that opinion.)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Cleveland 1 (December 11)
NEXT GAME: Friday, December 16 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Gaia" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 04:03:29 PM |
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The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
If "J Young" didn't have that anonymous AOL proxy to abuse, he'd really have
problems...
He's not so anymore, now is he? ;-)))
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Cleveland 1 (December 11)
NEXT GAME: Friday, December 16 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 04:05:06 PM |
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"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
If "J Young" didn't have that anonymous AOL proxy to abuse, he'd really have
problems...
He's not so anymore, now is he? ;-)))
I'm not losing any sleep even after possibly having been within visual range
of whatever neighborhood he's polluting, back in 2001...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Cleveland 1 (December 11)
NEXT GAME: Friday, December 16 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Gaia" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 04:11:05 PM |
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The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
If "J Young" didn't have that anonymous AOL proxy to abuse, he'd really have
problems...
He's not so anymore, now is he? ;-)))
I'm not losing any sleep even after possibly having been within visual range
of whatever neighborhood he's polluting, back in 2001...
Hmm, Jasper's menu looks enticing.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 05:01:35 PM |
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"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
If "J Young" didn't have that anonymous AOL proxy to abuse, he'd really
have problems...
He's not so anymore, now is he? ;-)))
I'm not losing any sleep even after possibly having been within visual range
of whatever neighborhood he's polluting, back in 2001...
Hmm, Jasper's menu looks enticing.
I'm hoping that's not the city (and county) that's about 60 miles southeast of
your former neighborhood. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Cleveland 1 (December 11)
NEXT GAME: Friday, December 16 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "Gaia" |
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 05:44:24 PM |
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The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> writes:
LC wrote:
Finally coming to grips with his schizophrenia, "IJon Getiner"
<Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1134464961.622658.240570@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Craig Chilton wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:15:24 -0500,
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" wrote:
<crap flushed>
How's that schizophrenia working out for you, "IJonSybil"?:
He's coming into one. The D.I.D. is losing its effect.
If "J Young" didn't have that anonymous AOL proxy to abuse, he'd really
have problems...
He's not so anymore, now is he? ;-)))
I'm not losing any sleep even after possibly having been within visual range
of whatever neighborhood he's polluting, back in 2001...
Hmm, Jasper's menu looks enticing.
I'm hoping that's not the city (and county) that's about 60 miles southeast of
your former neighborhood. ;-)
No, but apparently they sell great food.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 4, Cleveland 1 (December 11)
NEXT GAME: Friday, December 16 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| Title: Re: There is no substitute for Catholic morality |
13 Dec 2005 10:18:10 AM |
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