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08 Mar 2006 12:41:09 PM |
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They SAY they believe the Bible... |
I just love this post...,
And herein we see that these self-righteous, self appointed judges
of heaven and earth, are frankly not even familiar with the Bible, and
what it actually does say.
The post was reading:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0"=A0...Abortion terminates
entities which have ALL of these characteristics in common with sperm
and ova:
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0-- Human
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0-- Unique
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0-- As a stage of development,
indispensable to future birth =A0
=A0 =A0 -- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness* =A0 =A0 =A0 --
Alive... "
This in fact is what our Bible confirms, in Genesis, chapter 2 vs. 7.
Here Moses is putting in print for the first time, the creation
scenario.
He begins, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the
earth...."
See I'm writing this in behalf of you SO CALLED CHRISTIANS WHO SAY you
believe the Bible.
DO YOU?
Our Bible was NOT one of the earliest "Spiritual/ Religious"
writings. By no means. This story was handed down from
generation to generation, but also inspired by Divine revelation.
Moses, who knew God in his power, finally puts this in print. It is
"Thus Saith the LORD", not the schemes and devises of man.
The First Word and the Last Word.
You SAY you believe it. Do you?
Continuing... In chapter two the creation of man is described. Was
Moses there to witness this? No. But by divine revelation he penned
this.
In chapter 2 vs. 7 Moses writes, "And God formed Adam of the dust of
the ground, (comma) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
(semi-colon) And man became a living soul.
Now to you Hebrew scholars and translators and what not, ( i don't
care what translation you use , it says the same thing) and this verse
is in THREE PARTS.
# ONE: Adam is formed out of the dust. (FETUS) (thank you)
#TWO: GOD BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS THE BREATH OF LIFE.
Semi-colon: (conclusion) And adam
became a "LIVING SOUL", "ALIVE".
IT ISN"T UNTIL THE FETUS TAKES IT"S FIRST BREATH that it is by any
means, "alive".
AFTER, the umbilical cord is cut, that the BREATH OF LIFE ENTERS THE
NOSTRILS.
Now I have to emphasis this because science out here will give their
very learned observations of the beginnings of breathing while the fetus
is still in the womb.
BUT GOD in his foreknowledge MADE SURE THE STORY WAS TOLD RIGHT.
For you Hebrew scholars, and all of us that know the documented,
historical preservation of the translations, which, incidently were
FOUND PRESERVED INTACT in the dead sea scrolls, EXACTLY AS WRITTEN in
the 1940's, as we have it today through centuries of translations.
GOd keeps HIS WORD. And the verse is in THREE SECTIONS.
The Book of Genesis specifies that it is THIS BREATH, the one that goes
into your nose, and out, that God breathed into Adam that finalized
"LIFE" as we know it.
THE SOUL, the INTELLIGENCE, the Will, and self awareness entered Adam,
and consequently the fetus at THIS MOMENT AND NOT BEFORE.
That is "THUS SAITH THE LORD" to me.
So I can easily discard a rationalizing intellectual remark such as
this, of some great learned somebody....
=A0=A0=A0=A0"=A0=A0=A0=A0* (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins,
conscious awareness may be possible "
No. I don't believe it. They don't even know that for sure in their
own words. The infant is STILL BORN. It is NOT ALIVE until it
intakes it's first breath, after the umbilical cord is cut (the blood
supply of complete dependence on the mother is cut off).
After that separation, the infant stands alone, and it's BREATH OF LIFE
ENTERS.
Which to me, SOUNDS PRETTY LOGICAL. WHEN YOU STOP BREATHING,
YOUR DEAD.
There are some walking, LIVING DEAD walking among us. People who KNOW
NOT GOD, nor even what the BIBLE SAYS, then to add
ludicrosity to vanity, seem to feel they know what they're talking
about. Hm...
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
The post continued....
"...=A0And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0-- In NO way condemns abortion
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0-- By
Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs. =A0 =A0 =A0 --
Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs "
You are absolutely right. This decision to have or not have the baby,
is the womans GOD GIVEN RIGHT and CHOICE.
God gives you a choice. He always does.
Thank you for great post.
http://community.webtv.net/marcusohreallyis/BushsSurpriseVisit
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| User: "Johnny" |
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09 Mar 2006 05:13:31 AM |
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Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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09 Mar 2006 08:48:58 AM |
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:
Adam was a fetus?
Likely so, if in fact he ever existed.
Adam has no mother.
So, whose clone was he?
Adam was never in a uterus.
How would YOU know? Because the bible says so? (That's not proof.)
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
Where have you ever gotten an idea, in the first place?
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chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 5, Chicago 4 (SO) (March 7)
NEXT GAME: Thursday, March 9 vs. Chicago, 7:05
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Mar 2006 11:21:47 PM |
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Johnny <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:
Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
How do you know?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" |
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09 Mar 2006 07:48:58 AM |
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0500,
Ignorant Bigot, John Wentzky wrote:
Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
How about: "Adam never existed."
ROTFL!!!! Once again, Wentzky proves himself to be one
very bone-IGNORANT tool by taking that which clearly had
to be an ALLEGORICAL story meant to simplify the creation
story to the level that a non-scientific society thousands of
years in the past could understand.
Evolution clearly is a FACT, not a theory, as borne out by
incredibly-HUGE quantities of fossil evidence, worldwide. Not
only does the Bible not detail this, for the obvious reason
stated above, but it OMITS any mention of the hundreds of
thousands of years of cave-dwellers and hunter-gatherers.
Does this mean that God didn't create the earth and the
universe? Of course not! No more than Jesus' parables were
factual accounts.
RRR-cult-type loons don't WHINE about *that*, the way
they so mindlessly whine about evolution. Making them
total hypocrites, dumber than dead rocks, or both.
AS THOUGH accepting the evolutionary process in ANY way
would conflict with God as Creator. Give me a break! I don't
know about Wentzky's god, but the One that *I* believe in
would -- being omniscient and omnipotent -- probably find
doing something as simple as creating the evolution process
right along with everything else to be a CAKEWALK compared
to the REST of that mind-boggling project.
Just another example of IDIOTIC lemmings of the RRR
Cult running around whining about something that's totally
harmless. That's pretty much ALL that they do. Clueless
and sociopathic malcontents who seem to enjoy making total
asses of themselves. What a joke!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
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| User: "KnightsKnives" |
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10 Mar 2006 01:27:42 PM |
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"Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
wrote in message news:2ic0125lb4o58j7e6chhu5fht1mb9k1uek@4ax.com...
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0500,
Ignorant Bigot, John Wentzky wrote:
Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
How about: "Adam never existed."
ROTFL!!!! Once again, Wentzky proves himself to be one
very bone-IGNORANT tool by taking that which clearly had
to be an ALLEGORICAL story meant to simplify the creation
story to the level that a non-scientific society thousands of
years in the past could understand.
Evolution clearly is a FACT, not a theory, as borne out by
incredibly-HUGE quantities of fossil evidence, worldwide. Not
only does the Bible not detail this, for the obvious reason
stated above, but it OMITS any mention of the hundreds of
thousands of years of cave-dwellers and hunter-gatherers.
Does this mean that God didn't create the earth and the
universe? Of course not! No more than Jesus' parables were
factual accounts.
RRR-cult-type loons don't WHINE about *that*, the way
they so mindlessly whine about evolution. Making them
total hypocrites, dumber than dead rocks, or both.
AS THOUGH accepting the evolutionary process in ANY way
would conflict with God as Creator. Give me a break! I don't
know about Wentzky's god, but the One that *I* believe in
would -- being omniscient and omnipotent -- probably find
doing something as simple as creating the evolution process
right along with everything else to be a CAKEWALK compared
to the REST of that mind-boggling project.
Just another example of IDIOTIC lemmings of the RRR
Cult running around whining about something that's totally
harmless. That's pretty much ALL that they do. Clueless
and sociopathic malcontents who seem to enjoy making total
asses of themselves. What a joke!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? I
know of none. Though we have a good guide about Einstein's theories we have
not labeled them fact.
KnightsKnives
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| User: "KnightsKnives" |
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23 Mar 2006 06:05:55 AM |
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"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> wrote in message
news:1213kpfhksm5vfe@corp.supernews.com...
"Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
wrote in message news:2ic0125lb4o58j7e6chhu5fht1mb9k1uek@4ax.com...
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0500,
Ignorant Bigot, John Wentzky wrote:
Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
How about: "Adam never existed."
ROTFL!!!! Once again, Wentzky proves himself to be one
very bone-IGNORANT tool by taking that which clearly had
to be an ALLEGORICAL story meant to simplify the creation
story to the level that a non-scientific society thousands of
years in the past could understand.
Evolution clearly is a FACT, not a theory, as borne out by
incredibly-HUGE quantities of fossil evidence, worldwide. Not
only does the Bible not detail this, for the obvious reason
stated above, but it OMITS any mention of the hundreds of
thousands of years of cave-dwellers and hunter-gatherers.
Does this mean that God didn't create the earth and the
universe? Of course not! No more than Jesus' parables were
factual accounts.
RRR-cult-type loons don't WHINE about *that*, the way
they so mindlessly whine about evolution. Making them
total hypocrites, dumber than dead rocks, or both.
AS THOUGH accepting the evolutionary process in ANY way
would conflict with God as Creator. Give me a break! I don't
know about Wentzky's god, but the One that *I* believe in
would -- being omniscient and omnipotent -- probably find
doing something as simple as creating the evolution process
right along with everything else to be a CAKEWALK compared
to the REST of that mind-boggling project.
Just another example of IDIOTIC lemmings of the RRR
Cult running around whining about something that's totally
harmless. That's pretty much ALL that they do. Clueless
and sociopathic malcontents who seem to enjoy making total
asses of themselves. What a joke!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? I
know of none. Though we have a good guide about Einstein's theories we
have not labeled them fact.
KnightsKnives
I guess only close to fact, as No One would declare.
KnightsKnives
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| User: "Bill" |
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10 Mar 2006 07:15:31 PM |
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"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> wrote in message
news:1213kpfhksm5vfe@corp.supernews.com...
"Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
wrote in message news:2ic0125lb4o58j7e6chhu5fht1mb9k1uek@4ax.com...
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0500,
Ignorant Bigot, John Wentzky wrote:
Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
How about: "Adam never existed."
ROTFL!!!! Once again, Wentzky proves himself to be one
very bone-IGNORANT tool by taking that which clearly had
to be an ALLEGORICAL story meant to simplify the creation
story to the level that a non-scientific society thousands of
years in the past could understand.
Evolution clearly is a FACT, not a theory, as borne out by
incredibly-HUGE quantities of fossil evidence, worldwide. Not
only does the Bible not detail this, for the obvious reason
stated above, but it OMITS any mention of the hundreds of
thousands of years of cave-dwellers and hunter-gatherers.
Does this mean that God didn't create the earth and the
universe? Of course not! No more than Jesus' parables were
factual accounts.
RRR-cult-type loons don't WHINE about *that*, the way
they so mindlessly whine about evolution. Making them
total hypocrites, dumber than dead rocks, or both.
AS THOUGH accepting the evolutionary process in ANY way
would conflict with God as Creator. Give me a break! I don't
know about Wentzky's god, but the One that *I* believe in
would -- being omniscient and omnipotent -- probably find
doing something as simple as creating the evolution process
right along with everything else to be a CAKEWALK compared
to the REST of that mind-boggling project.
Just another example of IDIOTIC lemmings of the RRR
Cult running around whining about something that's totally
harmless. That's pretty much ALL that they do. Clueless
and sociopathic malcontents who seem to enjoy making total
asses of themselves. What a joke!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? I
know of none. Though we have a good guide about Einstein's theories we
have not labeled them fact.
Just about 98% of the Science community!
KnightsKnives
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| User: "No One" |
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10 Mar 2006 07:37:14 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> writes:
"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> wrote in message
news:1213kpfhksm5vfe@corp.supernews.com...
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? I
know of none. Though we have a good guide about Einstein's theories we
have not labeled them fact.
Just about 98% of the Science community!
While there is always a chance that we'll find something unexpected,
nobody to speak of has any doubts about Special Relativity, which is
tested every day in particle accelerators around the world (and in
many households as well as it is used to calculate the trajectory of
electrons for the larger color TV tubes: the voltages are such that
electron speeds are so high that you would distort the image if you
ignored Special Relativity.) General Relativity has been well tested
too, but only in weak gravitational fields, although we are starting
to get some idea of conditions around black holes to get some useful
data from observed ones as well. A new experiment is now in progress,
using several satellites to measure "frame dragging" directly, and so
far there are no surprises.
It is at the point where, if you see something that you can't explain,
Special Relativity would be pretty much last on the list of where
something might be wrong, and that is about as close to being
"labeled as fact" as you can get.
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| User: "KnightsKnives" |
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13 Mar 2006 06:47:26 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m3d5gtg3y2.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> writes:
"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> wrote in message
news:1213kpfhksm5vfe@corp.supernews.com...
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? I
know of none. Though we have a good guide about Einstein's theories we
have not labeled them fact.
Just about 98% of the Science community!
While there is always a chance that we'll find something unexpected,
nobody to speak of has any doubts about Special Relativity, which is
tested every day in particle accelerators around the world (and in
many households as well as it is used to calculate the trajectory of
electrons for the larger color TV tubes: the voltages are such that
electron speeds are so high that you would distort the image if you
ignored Special Relativity.) General Relativity has been well tested
too, but only in weak gravitational fields, although we are starting
to get some idea of conditions around black holes to get some useful
data from observed ones as well. A new experiment is now in progress,
using several satellites to measure "frame dragging" directly, and so
far there are no surprises.
It is at the point where, if you see something that you can't explain,
Special Relativity would be pretty much last on the list of where
something might be wrong, and that is about as close to being
"labeled as fact" as you can get.
Even Einstein has this to say:
"It is the theory that decides what can be observed." A Einstein
Thus the observations that you have made above are not facts they are
observations. I asked you to provide me with reputable scientists that
claim the Theory of Relativity, as it is announced, is indeed fact. The
mere observation that you have does not prove this theory to be fact.
KnightsKnives
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain,
as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
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| User: "No One" |
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13 Mar 2006 08:30:43 PM |
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"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m3d5gtg3y2.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> writes:
Just about 98% of the Science community!
While there is always a chance that we'll find something unexpected,
nobody to speak of has any doubts about Special Relativity, which is
tested every day in particle accelerators around the world (and in
many households as well as it is used to calculate the trajectory of
electrons for the larger color TV tubes: the voltages are such that
electron speeds are so high that you would distort the image if you
ignored Special Relativity.) General Relativity has been well tested
too, but only in weak gravitational fields, although we are starting
to get some idea of conditions around black holes to get some useful
data from observed ones as well. A new experiment is now in progress,
using several satellites to measure "frame dragging" directly, and so
far there are no surprises.
It is at the point where, if you see something that you can't explain,
Special Relativity would be pretty much last on the list of where
something might be wrong, and that is about as close to being
"labeled as fact" as you can get.
Even Einstein has this to say:
"It is the theory that decides what can be observed." A Einstein
Thus the observations that you have made above are not facts they are
observations. I asked you to provide me with reputable scientists that
claim the Theory of Relativity, as it is announced, is indeed fact. The
mere observation that you have does not prove this theory to be fact.
Oh, let's just say that I know a lot more about this sort of thing
than you do. :-)
KnightsKnives
Read the first sentence in the quoted text for the usual caveat (there
is always a chance that we will find that a theory that has been
accepted for a very long time will be changed), and then consider the
fact that physicists world wide use the Theory of Relativity every day
and see it work every day as it predicts how particles behave in
accelerators. SLAC for instance can accelerate electrons and positrons
to an energy of around 50 Gev., about 100,000 times the energy
corresponding to their rest mass or about 0.999995 times the speed of
light. And the predictions are accurate.
As I said, it is as close to a "fact" as you are going to get. Oh,
and you might try
<http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/relativity.html>
which states
Einstein's theory is now very well established as the correct
description of motion of relativistic objects, that is those
traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light.
Because most of us have little experience with objects moving
at speeds near the speed of light, Einstein's predictions may
seem strange. However, many years of high energy physics
experiments have thoroughly tested Einstein's theory and shown
that it fits all results to date.
It is basically what I told you. Check out the URL for additional
details.
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| User: "KnightsKnives" |
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| Title: Re: They SAY they believe the Bible... |
23 Mar 2006 04:36:46 AM |
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"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m3ek15ep60.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> writes:
"No One" <noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:m3d5gtg3y2.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> writes:
Just about 98% of the Science community!
While there is always a chance that we'll find something unexpected,
nobody to speak of has any doubts about Special Relativity, which is
tested every day in particle accelerators around the world (and in
many households as well as it is used to calculate the trajectory of
electrons for the larger color TV tubes: the voltages are such that
electron speeds are so high that you would distort the image if you
ignored Special Relativity.) General Relativity has been well tested
too, but only in weak gravitational fields, although we are starting
to get some idea of conditions around black holes to get some useful
data from observed ones as well. A new experiment is now in progress,
using several satellites to measure "frame dragging" directly, and so
far there are no surprises.
It is at the point where, if you see something that you can't explain,
Special Relativity would be pretty much last on the list of where
something might be wrong, and that is about as close to being
"labeled as fact" as you can get.
Even Einstein has this to say:
"It is the theory that decides what can be observed." A Einstein
Thus the observations that you have made above are not facts they are
observations. I asked you to provide me with reputable scientists that
claim the Theory of Relativity, as it is announced, is indeed fact. The
mere observation that you have does not prove this theory to be fact.
Oh, let's just say that I know a lot more about this sort of thing
than you do. :-)
KnightsKnives
Read the first sentence in the quoted text for the usual caveat (there
is always a chance that we will find that a theory that has been
accepted for a very long time will be changed), and then consider the
fact that physicists world wide use the Theory of Relativity every day
and see it work every day as it predicts how particles behave in
accelerators. SLAC for instance can accelerate electrons and positrons
to an energy of around 50 Gev., about 100,000 times the energy
corresponding to their rest mass or about 0.999995 times the speed of
light. And the predictions are accurate.
As I said, it is as close to a "fact" as you are going to get. Oh,
and you might try
<http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/relativity.html>
which states
Einstein's theory is now very well established as the correct
description of motion of relativistic objects, that is those
traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light.
Because most of us have little experience with objects moving
at speeds near the speed of light, Einstein's predictions may
seem strange. However, many years of high energy physics
experiments have thoroughly tested Einstein's theory and shown
that it fits all results to date.
It is basically what I told you. Check out the URL for additional
details.
I wouldn't be too hasty in stating facts that are not in evidence. You
still have not produced theory as fact.
Although we can come "close" to something as being fact, it is not fact
if it is still theory.
I asked you to provide me scientist who claim this theory of evolution
to be fact and you get off the subject.
The theory has too many holes in it. It is not as close to the The
General Theory of Relativity, or The Special Theory of Relativity. Though
we have a lot of equations figured out in both of these theories there are
some cosmologist who believe that some of Einstein's theories are limited
and possibly needing re-evaluation. Though he has it right in most of the
theorems there are areas where his theory could be advanced or circumvented.
Holes are present in most if not all theories. Science advances and we
find more to figure out. If what you say is true, that we are as close to
fact as we can get, you have lost sight of what is beyond what we cannot see
or measure at this point in time.
I don't believe you.
Show me accurate scientists that support your belief that the Theory of
Evolution is fact. That is the topic I started with. Debating Einstein
when Einstein continually debated himself is fruitless.
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"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> writes:
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> writes:
Just about 98% of the Science community!
While there is always a chance that we'll find something unexpected,
nobody to speak of has any doubts about Special Relativity, which is
tested every day in particle accelerators around the world (and in
many households as well as it is used to calculate the trajectory of
electrons for the larger color TV tubes: the voltages are such that
electron speeds are so high that you would distort the image if you
ignored Special Relativity.) General Relativity has been well tested
too, but only in weak gravitational fields, although we are starting
to get some idea of conditions around black holes to get some useful
data from observed ones as well. A new experiment is now in progress,
using several satellites to measure "frame dragging" directly, and so
far there are no surprises.
It is at the point where, if you see something that you can't explain,
Special Relativity would be pretty much last on the list of where
something might be wrong, and that is about as close to being
"labeled as fact" as you can get.
Even Einstein has this to say:
"It is the theory that decides what can be observed." A Einstein
Thus the observations that you have made above are not facts they are
observations. I asked you to provide me with reputable scientists that
claim the Theory of Relativity, as it is announced, is indeed fact. The
mere observation that you have does not prove this theory to be fact.
Oh, let's just say that I know a lot more about this sort of thing
than you do. :-)
KnightsKnives
Read the first sentence in the quoted text for the usual caveat (there
is always a chance that we will find that a theory that has been
accepted for a very long time will be changed), and then consider the
fact that physicists world wide use the Theory of Relativity every day
and see it work every day as it predicts how particles behave in
accelerators. SLAC for instance can accelerate electrons and positrons
to an energy of around 50 Gev., about 100,000 times the energy
corresponding to their rest mass or about 0.999995 times the speed of
light. And the predictions are accurate.
As I said, it is as close to a "fact" as you are going to get. Oh,
and you might try
<http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/relativity.html>
which states
Einstein's theory is now very well established as the correct
description of motion of relativistic objects, that is those
traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light.
Because most of us have little experience with objects moving
at speeds near the speed of light, Einstein's predictions may
seem strange. However, many years of high energy physics
experiments have thoroughly tested Einstein's theory and shown
that it fits all results to date.
It is basically what I told you. Check out the URL for additional
details.
Okay, now you are going to make me study a little bit. I do not refute
what you are saying, that it is as close as we can come to fact, but that is
the difference. We are close to fact but not yet there.
The theorems that have been proven that Einstein postulated are not
refutable. The theorems that have not yet been proven make his theories
still theories.
I stated that Special Relativity could be circumvented. I stated that
indeed other scientist have postulated the same. I will have to provide you
with accurate theorems where this is applicable.
I am sure that you probably know your science. Perhaps you are involved
in quantum physics. If not then you probably made a good website.
At any point, I am not trying to discredit you I am simply trying to
keep you to terms as outlined in mathematics and science. Fact is different
than theory.
If you want to tie up the issues of Einstein lets do this in another
post. I am generally in alt.bible.prophecy and this gets crossposted all
the time so I don't usually know to whom I am writing.
If you were in the alt.physics or some ng like that I would probably
recognize your nic.
Doesn't matter. I will show you in another post in alt.bible.prophecy
where I am getting my information and what I am trying to convey.
I am not refuting the ideas of Einstein. I am refuting that you have
solved all of his theorems to the point that his theories have become fact.
I am not stating that any of his work can be, or the work of others using
his theories, refuted altogether. I am aware of some problems with quantum
physics that can not be solved using his system. Whether the quantum
physics theorems are wrong or improvable remains to be seen.
Now it is time that I study so I don't seem so unprepared for your post
or reply.
It is unusual for me to be put on the spot with science and I appreciate
your input. I have been retired for a while so it will take about a week
for me to post the relevancy of this discourse to another post.
Now to the main point: The Theory of Evolution is just a theory. Unlike
Einstein's theories this theory has holes in it that make it untenable to
even come close to calling it a fact.
I think because I used some of Einstein's quotes, it may have been
construed that I do not believe in his work, which is the exact opposite of
what I believe. I am remarking on others work that I know to exist. Only
to make a point, not really to refute any of his work, but being the devils
advocate in this debate I got caught up with arguing theorems that are not
of my own making, nor are they necessarily accurate, yet.
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13 Mar 2006 05:57:03 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> wrote in message
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"Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0500,
Ignorant Bigot, John Wentzky wrote:
Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
How about: "Adam never existed."
ROTFL!!!! Once again, Wentzky proves himself to be one
very bone-IGNORANT tool by taking that which clearly had
to be an ALLEGORICAL story meant to simplify the creation
story to the level that a non-scientific society thousands of
years in the past could understand.
Evolution clearly is a FACT, not a theory, as borne out by
incredibly-HUGE quantities of fossil evidence, worldwide. Not
only does the Bible not detail this, for the obvious reason
stated above, but it OMITS any mention of the hundreds of
thousands of years of cave-dwellers and hunter-gatherers.
Does this mean that God didn't create the earth and the
universe? Of course not! No more than Jesus' parables were
factual accounts.
RRR-cult-type loons don't WHINE about *that*, the way
they so mindlessly whine about evolution. Making them
total hypocrites, dumber than dead rocks, or both.
AS THOUGH accepting the evolutionary process in ANY way
would conflict with God as Creator. Give me a break! I don't
know about Wentzky's god, but the One that *I* believe in
would -- being omniscient and omnipotent -- probably find
doing something as simple as creating the evolution process
right along with everything else to be a CAKEWALK compared
to the REST of that mind-boggling project.
Just another example of IDIOTIC lemmings of the RRR
Cult running around whining about something that's totally
harmless. That's pretty much ALL that they do. Clueless
and sociopathic malcontents who seem to enjoy making total
asses of themselves. What a joke!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? I
know of none. Though we have a good guide about Einstein's theories we
have not labeled them fact.
Just about 98% of the Science community!
KnightsKnives
Name anyone. It should be easy.
KnightsKnives
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13 Mar 2006 10:54:47 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 04:57:03 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com>
wrote in message <121anghb1rrgf2b@corp.supernews.com>
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> wrote in message
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"Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0500,
Ignorant Bigot, John Wentzky wrote:
Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
How about: "Adam never existed."
ROTFL!!!! Once again, Wentzky proves himself to be one
very bone-IGNORANT tool by taking that which clearly had
to be an ALLEGORICAL story meant to simplify the creation
story to the level that a non-scientific society thousands of
years in the past could understand.
Evolution clearly is a FACT, not a theory, as borne out by
incredibly-HUGE quantities of fossil evidence, worldwide. Not
only does the Bible not detail this, for the obvious reason
stated above, but it OMITS any mention of the hundreds of
thousands of years of cave-dwellers and hunter-gatherers.
Does this mean that God didn't create the earth and the
universe? Of course not! No more than Jesus' parables were
factual accounts.
RRR-cult-type loons don't WHINE about *that*, the way
they so mindlessly whine about evolution. Making them
total hypocrites, dumber than dead rocks, or both.
AS THOUGH accepting the evolutionary process in ANY way
would conflict with God as Creator. Give me a break! I don't
know about Wentzky's god, but the One that *I* believe in
would -- being omniscient and omnipotent -- probably find
doing something as simple as creating the evolution process
right along with everything else to be a CAKEWALK compared
to the REST of that mind-boggling project.
Just another example of IDIOTIC lemmings of the RRR
Cult running around whining about something that's totally
harmless. That's pretty much ALL that they do. Clueless
and sociopathic malcontents who seem to enjoy making total
asses of themselves. What a joke!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? I
know of none. Though we have a good guide about Einstein's theories we
have not labeled them fact.
Just about 98% of the Science community!
KnightsKnives
Name anyone. It should be easy.
KnightsKnives
LOL. Give me any statement you want made and I can probably find an
expert witness (scientist in this case) that will make it. It's just
a matter of time and money. The religious loons exemplify this with
such luminaries as "Dr." Paul Cameron and his merry band of kooks.
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23 Mar 2006 04:16:39 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"KnightsKnives" <Here@Now.com> wrote in message
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"Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
wrote in message news:2ic0125lb4o58j7e6chhu5fht1mb9k1uek@4ax.com...
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:13:31 -0500,
Ignorant Bigot, John Wentzky wrote:
Adam was a fetus?
Adam has no mother.
Adam was never in a uterus.
Where did you get the idea he was born of woman?
How about: "Adam never existed."
ROTFL!!!! Once again, Wentzky proves himself to be one
very bone-IGNORANT tool by taking that which clearly had
to be an ALLEGORICAL story meant to simplify the creation
story to the level that a non-scientific society thousands of
years in the past could understand.
Evolution clearly is a FACT, not a theory, as borne out by
incredibly-HUGE quantities of fossil evidence, worldwide. Not
only does the Bible not detail this, for the obvious reason
stated above, but it OMITS any mention of the hundreds of
thousands of years of cave-dwellers and hunter-gatherers.
Does this mean that God didn't create the earth and the
universe? Of course not! No more than Jesus' parables were
factual accounts.
RRR-cult-type loons don't WHINE about *that*, the way
they so mindlessly whine about evolution. Making them
total hypocrites, dumber than dead rocks, or both.
AS THOUGH accepting the evolutionary process in ANY way
would conflict with God as Creator. Give me a break! I don't
know about Wentzky's god, but the One that *I* believe in
would -- being omniscient and omnipotent -- probably find
doing something as simple as creating the evolution process
right along with everything else to be a CAKEWALK compared
to the REST of that mind-boggling project.
Just another example of IDIOTIC lemmings of the RRR
Cult running around whining about something that's totally
harmless. That's pretty much ALL that they do. Clueless
and sociopathic malcontents who seem to enjoy making total
asses of themselves. What a joke!!
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? I
know of none. Though we have a good guide about Einstein's theories we
have not labeled them fact.
Just about 98% of the Science community!
KnightsKnives
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
KnightsKnives
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23 Mar 2006 05:46:08 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? ....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented. The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
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23 Mar 2006 08:36:30 PM |
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"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact?
....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented. The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
You do not know fact from fiction. There are theorems that have been
explained as fact in the theory, but this does not make the theory fact.
Get a science book. Look up theory, or just get a dictionary.
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23 Mar 2006 10:22:59 PM |
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KnightsKnives <Here@now.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact?
....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented. The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
You do not know fact from fiction. There are theorems that have been
explained as fact in the theory, but this does not make the theory fact.
Evolution is a fact. There are different theories that attempt to
explain various aspects of evolution just as there are theories that
attempt to explain gravity.
Look up theory, or just get a dictionary.
Take your own advice.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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24 Mar 2006 05:23:50 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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KnightsKnives <Here@now.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact?
....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented. The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
You do not know fact from fiction. There are theorems that have been
explained as fact in the theory, but this does not make the theory fact.
Evolution is a fact. There are different theories that attempt to
explain various aspects of evolution just as there are theories that
attempt to explain gravity.
Look up theory, or just get a dictionary.
Take your own advice.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
As stated before I was advancing the thought that theory is not fact.
The theorems that are a part of theories are fact. Evolution is fact but
the theories of Evolution are theories. Therefore Evolution is both fact
and theory.
Postulation gives way to Hypothesis, Hypothesis gives way to Theory, and
Theory at some point may give way to fact. Theory is as close to fact that
we can get, using the theorems to discover the facts that support the
theory, but it is not certitude.
KnightsKnives
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24 Mar 2006 11:49:05 PM |
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KnightsKnives <Here@now.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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KnightsKnives <Here@now.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact?
....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented. The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
You do not know fact from fiction. There are theorems that have been
explained as fact in the theory, but this does not make the theory fact.
Evolution is a fact. There are different theories that attempt to
explain various aspects of evolution just as there are theories that
attempt to explain gravity.
Look up theory, or just get a dictionary.
Take your own advice.
As stated before I was advancing the thought that theory is not fact.
Then I misread what you were writing.
The theorems that are a part of theories are fact. Evolution is fact but
the theories of Evolution are theories. Therefore Evolution is both fact
and theory.
Postulation gives way to Hypothesis, Hypothesis gives way to Theory, and
Theory at some point may give way to fact. Theory is as close to fact that
we can get, using the theorems to discover the facts that support the
theory, but it is not certitude.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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25 Mar 2006 11:57:54 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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KnightsKnives <Here@now.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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KnightsKnives <Here@now.com> wrote:
"Paul Anderson" <elcoyote@netzero.net> wrote in message
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a
fact?
....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented. The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
You do not know fact from fiction. There are theorems that have
been
explained as fact in the theory, but this does not make the theory fact.
Evolution is a fact. There are different theories that attempt to
explain various aspects of evolution just as there are theories that
attempt to explain gravity.
Look up theory, or just get a dictionary.
Take your own advice.
As stated before I was advancing the thought that theory is not fact.
Then I misread what you were writing.
The theorems that are a part of theories are fact. Evolution is fact but
the theories of Evolution are theories. Therefore Evolution is both fact
and theory.
Postulation gives way to Hypothesis, Hypothesis gives way to Theory,
and
Theory at some point may give way to fact. Theory is as close to fact
that
we can get, using the theorems to discover the facts that support the
theory, but it is not certitude.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
Thanks for your reply and sorry for the miscommunication.
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23 Mar 2006 07:15:10 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:46:08 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? ....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
That's not true. It is not explaining a well
documented fact. That's why it's called
the Theory of Evolution and not the Law
of Evolution.
The Theory of Evolution is a fantasy that
is unsupported by the fossil evidence.
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
I know God won't give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish He didn't trust me so much.
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23 Mar 2006 09:00:16 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:15:10 GMT, Pastor Dave
<_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<do75229s50ueh4kpdfubrvb8h7aagoce0o@4ax.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:46:08 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? ....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
That's not true. It is not explaining a well
documented fact. That's why it's called
the Theory of Evolution and not the Law
of Evolution.
The Theory of Evolution is a fantasy that
is unsupported by the fossil evidence.
Once again you try to jump on the word "theory" hoping no one will
notice it's use in science is different from it's everyday usage.
Theories are the basis for the PC you use.
Theories are the basis for every aircraft that has ever existed.
Theories are the basis for the entire medical profession.
And the list could go on and on.
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| User: "Boy Toy" |
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| Title: Re: They SAY they believe the Bible... |
23 Mar 2006 09:24:12 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:15:10 GMT, Pastor Dave
<_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
<do75229s50ueh4kpdfubrvb8h7aagoce0o@4ax.com>
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:46:08 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? ....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
That's not true. It is not explaining a well
documented fact. That's why it's called
the Theory of Evolution and not the Law
of Evolution.
The Theory of Evolution is a fantasy that
is unsupported by the fossil evidence.
It is a lot closer to "fact" than the fantasies you will find in the
bible. Or in your Intelligent Design theory, which doesn't even meet
the lesser requirements for being labeled a theory.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: They SAY they believe the Bible... |
23 Mar 2006 08:17:48 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:15:10 GMT, Pastor Dave
<_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:46:08 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:16:39 -0700, "KnightsKnives" <Here@now.com>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote ....
How many Scientists support your belief that Evolution is a fact? ....
Just about 98% of the Science community!
This is incorrect. If you can find a scientist willing to state a
theory as fact, I will find you thousands who refute him.
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
Horse. Well documanted in the fossil record.
Not surprisingly, DNA mapping also serves to prove the fact of
evolution.
The _Theory_ of Evolution
attempts to explain how evolution happens.
That's not true. It is not explaining a well
documented fact. That's why it's called
the Theory of Evolution and not the Law
of Evolution.
The Theory of Evolution is a fantasy that
is unsupported by the fossil evidence.
And you are a liar.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: They SAY they believe the Bible... |
23 Mar 2006 10:28:17 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:17:48 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
Horse. Well documanted in the fossil record.
BULL!!! PROVE IT, NOW!!!
And you are a liar.
You have just claimed that I am a liar. Prove it.
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
www.drdino.com
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: They SAY they believe the Bible... |
23 Mar 2006 10:37:04 AM |
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Dave <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
elcoyote@netzero.net
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
Horse. Well documanted in the fossil record.
BULL!!! PROVE IT, NOW!!!
And you will, of course, prove the "facts" of your religion?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: They SAY they believe the Bible... |
23 Mar 2006 09:43:18 PM |
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In article <o0j522lbubaf8f0jii7jsgjo56mho0nrp2@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:17:48 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
Horse. Well documanted in the fossil record.
BULL!!! PROVE IT, NOW!!!
<Yawn> Here you go:
<http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/>
<http://www.carnegiemuseums.org/cmag/bk_issue/2000/marapr/feat7.html>
And you are a liar.
You have just claimed that I am a liar. Prove it.
Done.
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: They SAY they believe the Bible... |
23 Mar 2006 01:43:21 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:28:17 GMT, Pastor Dave
<_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:17:48 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
Horse. Well documented in the fossil record.
BULL!!! PROVE IT, NOW!!!
It has been done, many times. However it is impossible to prove
anything to someone who refuses to accept facts.
And you are a liar.
You have just claimed that I am a liar. Prove it.
Your claim are contrary to fact, thus falsehoods, thus you are a liar.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: They SAY they believe the Bible... |
24 Mar 2006 07:08:30 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 19:43:21 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 16:28:17 GMT, Pastor Dave
<_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:17:48 GMT,
(Paul Anderson) spake thusly:
Evolution is a fact, quite well documented.
Microevolution is, not macroevolution.
Horse. Well documented in the fossil record.
BULL!!! PROVE IT, NOW!!!
It has been done, many times.
No, it has not. That is a lie.
Once again, the evolutionist makes a claim
he can't back up.
Goodbye. <plonk!>
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
The Last Days were in the first century:
Luke 21:20-22
20) And when YE shall see JERUSALEM compassed
with armies, then know that the desolation
THEREOF IS NIGH.
21) Then let them which are IN JUDEA flee to
the mountains; and let them which are in the
midst of it depart out; and let not them that
are in the countries enter thereinto.
22) For THESE be the days of vengeance, that
ALL THING WHICH ARE WRITTEN, MAY BE FULFILLED.
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