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"papa jack" |
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31 Jul 2004 02:48:00 PM |
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Those Who Served with Kerry |
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/downloads-pdfs/SwiftBoatLetter.pdf
OnJul 30, 2004, Cris Field's column in Human Events was
titled "Listen to Those Who Served with Kerry in Vietnam."
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
______________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"We decided to heed Sen. Edwards' advice and found
what approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow 'Swifties'
think of him, including Rear Admiral Roy F. Hoffman,
USN (Retired). Admiral Hoffman said this of the
liberal Massachusetts Senator:
"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be
commander in chief of the armed forces of
the United States. This is not a political
issue. It is a matter of his judgment,
truthfulness, reliability, loyalty, and
trust -- all absolute tenets of command."
"Admiral Hoffman, along with Captain Charley Plumbly,
USN (ret.), Alvin A. Horne, Bill Lannom, John O'Neill,
Way Symmes, William E. Franke, and about 200 other
'Swifties' were signatories of an open letter to Sen.
Kerry, which is sourced in a yet-to-be-released book
-- Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out
Against John Kerry.
"This letter states, in part:
"It is our collective judgment that, upon
your return from Vietnam, you grossly and
knowingly distorted the conduct of the
American soldiers, marines, sailors and
airmen of that war (including a betrayal
of may of us, without regard for the danger
you actions caused us). Further, we believe
that you have withheld and/or distorted
material facts as to your own conduct of
the war.
"We believe you continue this conduct today,
albeit by changing from an anti-war to a
'war hero' status. You now seek to clad
yourself in the very medals that you dis-
dainfully threw away in the early years of
your political career. In the process, we
believe you continue a deception as to your
own conduct through such tactics as the
disclosure of only carefully screened por-
tions of your military records. Both then
and now, we have concluded that you have
deceived the public, and in the process
have betrayed honorable men, to further
your personal political goals.
"You conduct is such as to raise substan-
tive concerns as to your honesty and your
ability to serve, as you currently seek,
as Commander-in-Chief of the military
services. [...]
"Senator Kerry, we were there. We know the
truth. We have been silent long enough.
The stakes are too great, not only for
America in general but, most importantly,
for those who have followed us into service
in Iraq and Afghanistan. We call upon you
to provide a full, accurate accounting of
your conduct in Vietnam."
[...]
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
I recommend you go to the URL below to read the entire
letter who know Kerry's record best.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
02 Aug 2004 04:17:36 PM |
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(Freda F. Freependorfer XXIII) wrote
in news:d29e34f4.0408021152.257e5ec2@posting.google.com:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<qeung0hp776m04bkv8tv98oqfh9r0o6hk4@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:53:54 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <bd9f1f6b.0407311148.3496a430@posting.google.com>, papa
jack <papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
Those who served with Kerry were on stage the other night at the DNC.
They told us first hand the admiration that have for him and his
heroics.
You are nothing but a liar. How the hell do you look in the mirror?
Do you really have no honor or self respect whatsoever?
At least Kerry has folks who remember him serving. It seems Bush can't
find anyone at all, let alone those who might try to deny stuff.
Military service, or lack threof, certainly didn't seem to be an issue
with your crowd when you had a draft-dodging rapist, perjurer and
sexual degenerate in the Oval Office, now did it? What happened that
you people all of a sudden got the military fever, Galen?
hey cleo/marie...
what people was it who posed in uniform on the deck of a carrier proudly
proclaiming the war resulting from the usa's illegal invasion was over?
did galen do that?
but galen isn't running for president anyway.
i take it you agree that bush misrepresented his military service?
hey how many soldiers have been killed since tat end-of-war announcement.
who was the commander in chief who sent them to die without their
protective armor?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
02 Aug 2004 10:50:49 PM |
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Freda F. Freependorfer XXIII <bush_wins_in_landslide@hotmail.com> wrote:
Galen Hekhuis <ghekhuis@earthlink.net>
At least Kerry has folks who remember him serving. It seems Bush can't
find anyone at all, let alone those who might try to deny stuff.
Military service, or lack threof, certainly didn't seem to be an issue
with your crowd when you had a draft-dodging rapist, perjurer and
sexual degenerate in the Oval Office, now did it?
Why do you use past tense when the election isn't until November?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
02 Aug 2004 03:08:43 PM |
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On 2 Aug 2004 12:52:57 -0700, (Freda F.
Freependorfer XXIII) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis < > wrote in message news:<qeung0hp776m04bkv8tv98oqfh9r0o6hk4@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:53:54 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <bd9f1f6b.0407311148.3496a430@posting.google.com>, papa jack
<papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
Those who served with Kerry were on stage the other night at the DNC.
They told us first hand the admiration that have for him and his
heroics.
You are nothing but a liar. How the hell do you look in the mirror?
Do you really have no honor or self respect whatsoever?
At least Kerry has folks who remember him serving. It seems Bush can't
find anyone at all, let alone those who might try to deny stuff.
Military service, or lack threof, certainly didn't seem to be an issue
with your crowd when you had a draft-dodging rapist, perjurer and
sexual degenerate in the Oval Office, now did it? What happened that
you people all of a sudden got the military fever, Galen?
You must have me confused with someone who gives a damn about *anyone's*
military service. I just find it rather hard to believe that he could be
in some unit yet NO ONE can remember him. Especially with a name like
"Bush"!
This becomes even more curious considering that everyone in your crowd
now hailing this mountebank as a miltary hero served in a war his
generation is on record as calling immoral and evil, many of them
spitting on returning GIs from that war. Add to that the fact that
he's a self-confessed war criminal and we just can't make heads or
tails of this Born Again Jingoism. Hee hee!
Not everyone is hailing Kerry as some kind of military hero. Many of us
hail him just because he isn't part of the George Bush regime. (Not that
Kerry doesn't have a lot of good qualities on his own.)
--
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
We are the CroMagnon of the future
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| User: "Chris" |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
03 Aug 2004 01:03:14 AM |
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"Galen Hekhuis" <> wrote in message
news:f87tg05rbvktggfoai49ur1f3qs918j558@4ax.com...
On 2 Aug 2004 12:52:57 -0700, (Freda F.
Freependorfer XXIII) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis < > wrote in message
news:<qeung0hp776m04bkv8tv98oqfh9r0o6hk4@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:53:54 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <bd9f1f6b.0407311148.3496a430@posting.google.com>, papa
jack
<papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
Those who served with Kerry were on stage the other night at the DNC.
They told us first hand the admiration that have for him and his
heroics.
You are nothing but a liar. How the hell do you look in the mirror?
Do you really have no honor or self respect whatsoever?
At least Kerry has folks who remember him serving. It seems Bush can't
find anyone at all, let alone those who might try to deny stuff.
Military service, or lack threof, certainly didn't seem to be an issue
with your crowd when you had a draft-dodging rapist, perjurer and
sexual degenerate in the Oval Office, now did it? What happened that
you people all of a sudden got the military fever, Galen?
You must have me confused with someone who gives a damn about *anyone's*
military service. I just find it rather hard to believe that he could be
in some unit yet NO ONE can remember him. Especially with a name like
"Bush"!
This becomes even more curious considering that everyone in your crowd
now hailing this mountebank as a miltary hero served in a war his
generation is on record as calling immoral and evil, many of them
spitting on returning GIs from that war. Add to that the fact that
he's a self-confessed war criminal and we just can't make heads or
tails of this Born Again Jingoism. Hee hee!
Not everyone is hailing Kerry as some kind of military hero. Many of us
hail him just because he isn't part of the George Bush regime. (Not that
Kerry doesn't have a lot of good qualities on his own.)
Such as?
--
Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA
We are the CroMagnon of the future
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
31 Jul 2004 03:36:10 PM |
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In article <qeung0hp776m04bkv8tv98oqfh9r0o6hk4@4ax.com>, Galen Hekhuis
<ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:53:54 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <bd9f1f6b.0407311148.3496a430@posting.google.com>, papa jack
<papajack37@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
Those who served with Kerry were on stage the other night at the DNC.
They told us first hand the admiration that have for him and his
heroics.
You are nothing but a liar. How the hell do you look in the mirror?
Do you really have no honor or self respect whatsoever?
At least Kerry has folks who remember him serving. It seems Bush can't
find anyone at all, let alone those who might try to deny stuff.
Good point. There is even a reward out for anyone who can do so - no
takers yet.
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| User: "John Savard" |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
02 Aug 2004 09:31:49 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:53:54 -0700, "David W. Barnes"
<DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
Those who served with Kerry were on stage the other night at the DNC.
They told us first hand the admiration that have for him and his
heroics.
Some of those who served with Kerry were on stage with him "the other night" at
the Democratic National Convention.
Others of those who served with Kerry signed that letter.
It seems that Vietnam vets don't all have the same politics, anymore than
Americans all have the same politics.
John Kerry is on the record as having spoken out strongly against the war in
Vietnam, as part of "Vietnam Veterans Against the War". Some of those who served
in Vietnam believed very much in what they were doing there, and would naturally
have felt that this sort of activity undermined their chances of achieving what
they were there for - a victory that would protect the freedom of the people of
South Vietnam. Others, though, may well have felt he was entitled to his opinion,
particularly since the ranks of American forces in Vietnam were largely filled by
conscripts.
I suppose that it still remains the case for any American voter that whether or
not John Kerry ought to be considered fit for the job of President boils down to
how that voter feels about his stands on the issues.
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
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| User: "Paul Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
31 Jul 2004 06:39:21 PM |
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On 31 Jul 2004 12:48:00 -0700, (papa jack)
wrote:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/downloads-pdfs/SwiftBoatLetter.pdf
OnJul 30, 2004, Cris Field's column in Human Events was
titled "Listen to Those Who Served with Kerry in Vietnam."
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
______________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"We decided to heed Sen. Edwards' advice and found
what approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow 'Swifties'
think of him, including Rear Admiral Roy F. Hoffman,
USN (Retired). Admiral Hoffman said this of the
liberal Massachusetts Senator:
......
Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
I recommend you go to the URL below to read the entire
letter who know Kerry's record best.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
One letter from ONE of the approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow
'Swifties' . What did the other approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow
'Swifties' say?
Politicians specialize in lies of ommission.
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| User: "papa jack" |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
01 Aug 2004 07:05:13 PM |
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elcoyote@netzero.net (Paul Anderson) wrote
in message news:<410c2d70.35880377@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
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Papa Jack cited:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/downloads-pdfs/SwiftBoatLetter.pdf
OnJul 30, 2004, Cris Field's column in Human Events was
titled "Listen to Those Who Served with Kerry in Vietnam."
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
______________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"We decided to heed Sen. Edwards' advice and found
what approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow 'Swifties'
think of him, including Rear Admiral Roy F. Hoffman,
USN (Retired). Admiral Hoffman said this of the
liberal Massachusetts Senator:
.....
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
I recommend you go to the URL below to read the entire
letter who know Kerry's record best.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
============================================================================
Coyote wrote:
One letter from ONE of the approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow
'Swifties' . What did the other approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow
'Swifties' say?
Politicians specialize in lies of ommission.
============================================================================
Papa Jack laughed:
See, you were in such a rush to DELETE most of what I
posted that you misread the excerpts -- and the letter
found at the URL I posted for your convenience.
The cited article stated:
"Admiral Hoffman, along with Captain Charley Plumbly,
USN (ret.), Alvin A. Horne, Bill Lannom, John O'Neill,
Way Symmes, William E. Franke, and about 200 other
'Swifties' were signatories of an open letter to Sen.
Kerry, which is sourced in a yet-to-be-released book
-- Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out
Against John Kerry.
Go to the below URL and read the letter and the names
of the 200 who signed it.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/downloads-pdfs/LetterSignatories.pdf
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| User: "Krusty" |
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| Title: Re: Those Who Served with Kerry |
09 Aug 2004 01:21:23 PM |
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(papa jack) wrote in message news:<bd9f1f6b.0408011605.3d09ee1@posting.google.com>...
elcoyote@netzero.net (Paul Anderson) wrote
in message news:<410c2d70.35880377@news.la.sbcglobal.net>...
(papa jack) wrote:
Excerpts:
[...]
"We decided to heed Sen. Edwards' advice and found
what approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow 'Swifties'
think of him, including Rear Admiral Roy F. Hoffman,
USN (Retired). Admiral Hoffman said this of the
liberal Massachusetts Senator:
Propaganda 101: demonize the enemy.
.....
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
The lies and blind partisan backing of these "Swift Boat Veterans"
have already been exposed. Nice try, as usual, Jackass for trying
to pass off propaganda as truth.
*All* of the men who actually served *on* Kerry's PT boat state that
Kerry was a strong leader and in fact, a hero. Except the one guy
who is dead, of course.
Jackass, were you out snortin somethin with Dubya back then in
Texas, instead of being a true patriot and fighting for your country?
You should be ashamed of yourself, if you had any shame left, that is.
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| User: "papa jack" |
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11 Aug 2004 07:37:04 PM |
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jonnyasscroft@netscape.net (Krusty) wrote
in message news:<e4f67237.0408091021.1d75e349@posting.google.com>...
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
elcoyote@netzero.net (Paul Anderson) wrote:
papajack37@sbcglobal.net (papa jack) wrote:
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OnJul 30, 2004, Cris Field's column in Human Events was
titled "Listen to Those Who Served with Kerry in Vietnam."
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
______________________________________________________________________________
Excerpts:
[...]
"We decided to heed Sen. Edwards' advice and found
what approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow 'Swifties'
think of him, including Rear Admiral Roy F. Hoffman,
USN (Retired). Admiral Hoffman said this of the
liberal Massachusetts Senator:
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Krusty wrote:
Propaganda 101: demonize the enemy.
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Papa Jack remarked:
Demonize? This quote hasn't said anything yet.
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
:::: I recommend you go to the URL below to read the entire
:::: letter who know Kerry's record best.
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
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Krusty wrote:
The lies and blind partisan backing of these "Swift Boat
Veterans" have already been exposed.
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Papa Jack challenged:
Nope. A few liberals have hurled ad hominem slurs
against the authors and those quoted in the book,
but so far I've not seen any facts or proof that
what they wrote exposing Kerry as a manipulating
liar isn't 100% factual and accurate.
Why won't Kerry release his FULL military records?
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Krusty wrote:
Nice try, as usual, Jackass for trying to pass off
propaganda as truth.
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Papa Jack sighed:
August 9, 2004, Robert Novak's column was titled:
"Kerry's War Record." Go to:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20040809.shtml
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Excerpts:
"I have read the book and found it is neither
the political propaganda nor the urban legend
that its detractors claim. It is a passionate
but meticulously researched account of how
Kerry went to war, what he did in the war and
how he conducted himself after the war. The
very serious charges by former comrades deserve
answers but so far have produced only ad hominem
counterattacks."
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Krusty wrote:
*All* of the men who actually served *on* Kerry's
PT boat...
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Papa Jack remarked:
It wasn't a "PT boat."
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=FAQ
"A Swift Boat is a 22-ton, heavily-armed, 50-foot,
shallow-draft aluminum patrol craft similar to the
utility boats servicing oil platforms and other
offshore facilities in the Gulf of Mexico today.
These boats were known by the U. S. Navy designa-
tion PCF, short for Patrol Craft-Fast.
"A Swift Boat crew usually consisted of five enlisted
personnel led by one officer-in-charge. This officer
was normally an Ensign or a Lieutenant Junior Grade,
23 to 27 years old. All were volunteers and almost
all of them developed a fierce love for their boats."
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Krusty wrote:
state that Kerry was a strong leader and in fact, a
hero. Except the one guy who is dead, of course.
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Papa Jack remarked:
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftVetQuotes
"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on
my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I
did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John
Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John
Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody
else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind
him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched
as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our
boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a
man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how
can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"
-- Steven Gardner
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Krusty wrote:
Jackass, were you out snortin somethin with Dubya back
then in Texas, instead of being a true patriot and fight-
ing for your country? You should be ashamed of yourself,
if you had any shame left, that is.
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Papa Jack commented:
I retired from the USAF in 1986 after 26 years serving
my country. I have a few friends names on that big
black wall in Washington, so I resent the false claims
of the Jane Fondas, and John Kerrys who did their best
to help our enemy during a time of war.
John Kerry is no hero.
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