Galen Hekhuis <

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Papa Jack cited:
OnJul 30, 2004, Cris Field's column in Human Events was
titled "Listen to Those Who Served with Kerry in Vietnam."

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681
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Excerpts:
[...]

"We decided to heed Sen. Edwards' advice and found
what approximately 200 of Kerry's fellow 'Swifties'
think of him, including Rear Admiral Roy F. Hoffman,
USN (Retired). Admiral Hoffman said this of the
liberal Massachusetts Senator:

"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be
commander in chief of the armed forces of
the United States. This is not a political
issue. It is a matter of his judgment,
truthfulness, reliability, loyalty, and
trust -- all absolute tenets of command."

"Admiral Hoffman, along with Captain Charley Plumbly,
USN (ret.), Alvin A. Horne, Bill Lannom, John O'Neill,
Way Symmes, William E. Franke, and about 200 other
'Swifties' were signatories of an open letter to Sen.
Kerry, which is sourced in a yet-to-be-released book
-- Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out
Against John Kerry.

"This letter states, in part:

"It is our collective judgment that, upon
your return from Vietnam, you grossly and
knowingly distorted the conduct of the
American soldiers, marines, sailors and
airmen of that war (including a betrayal
of may of us, without regard for the danger
you actions caused us). Further, we believe
that you have withheld and/or distorted
material facts as to your own conduct of
the war.

"We believe you continue this conduct today,
albeit by changing from an anti-war to a
'war hero' status. You now seek to clad
yourself in the very medals that you dis-
dainfully threw away in the early years of
your political career. In the process, we
believe you continue a deception as to your
own conduct through such tactics as the
disclosure of only carefully screened por-
tions of your military records. Both then
and now, we have concluded that you have
deceived the public, and in the process
have betrayed honorable men, to further
your personal political goals.

"You conduct is such as to raise substan-
tive concerns as to your honesty and your
ability to serve, as you currently seek,
as Commander-in-Chief of the military
services. [...]

"Senator Kerry, we were there. We know the
truth. We have been silent long enough.
The stakes are too great, not only for
America in general but, most importantly,
for those who have followed us into service
in Iraq and Afghanistan. We call upon you
to provide a full, accurate accounting of
your conduct in Vietnam."
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Papa Jack comments:
Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.

I recommend you go to the URL below to read the entire
letter who know Kerry's record best.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4681

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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
There's sort of a double edged sword to this that
the Republicans might not realize. Every time they
try to point out that some of the folks that served
with Kerry don't have too high an opinion of him
they remind folks that NO ONE can even remember
serving with Bush, let alone have an opinion
about it.

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Papa Jack remarked:
That will bother a few Bush-haters like you, Galen
but most folks have enough sense to understand it's
just political mud-slinging.

OTOH, I sense a building storm against his exaggerations
of his 4 months Viet Nam experiences. Go to:

http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftVetQuotes

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/07/19/Commentary/Fair-Commentwhat.Kerrys.band.Of.Brothers.Say.They.Really.Think.Of.Him-697015.shtml

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/07/19/Politics/Kerry.Exploits.Vets.For.Hanoi-621304.shtml

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/01/wus01.xml

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39767

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040803-123611-2794r

http://www.dailynewstribune.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=37982

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0804/malone1.asp

http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/opedstory0802WWILSON.htm

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=41570

Galen Hekhuis <

There's sort of a double edged sword to this that the Republicans might not
realize. Every time they try to point out that some of the folks that
served with Kerry don't have too high an opinion of him they remind folks
that NO ONE can even remember serving with Bush, let alone have an opinion
about it.

hard to imagine anyone serving in the military without anyone remembering
them, isn't it?

what ever happened to that one senile-sounding old guy the republicans
trotted out around a year ago who claimed to remember bush and who then
disappeared?

Galen Hekhuis <

On 2 Aug 2004 04:52:01 -0700,

Again and again we learn that those who served with
Kerry consider him anything but a hero.
...

There's sort of a double edged sword to this that the Republicans might not
realize. Every time they try to point out that some of the folks that
served with Kerry don't have too high an opinion of him they remind folks
that NO ONE can even remember serving with Bush, let alone have an opinion
about it.

You keep ignoring the most important criticism here, Galen, and that
resides in the fact that it's YOUR guy making a big deal of his past
pilitary service; a stint filled with many question marks and which by
any objective measure is suspect on many levels.

That you and the rest of your duplicitous crowd now all of a sudden
find great virtue in past military service, of any president or
presidential nominee, has to be seen in the light of your party's past
hatred of the military, something which is a matter of record and not
even open to argument. Clearly not a one of you could give a ***** less
about these things a three short years ago when you had your favorite
draft dodger and Perjurer-In-Chief running things in the Oval Office.

If these things were of no concern to you then, then surely you can't
expect anyone to now take you seriously when you feign admiration
about Kerry's military service. Under the circumstances, any criticism
lodged against Bush on this score from your crowd rings hollow indeed.
Guffaws!