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Science > Abortion |
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"Sergeant America" |
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25 Sep 2005 08:05:28 PM |
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Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner’s report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-tiller.com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
25 Sep 2005 08:12:17 PM |
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In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner’s report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-tiller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
Now go away, you idiot.
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| User: "Eraser" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 08:46:53 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-tiller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
Now go away, you idiot.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 10:43:34 PM |
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Eraser <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
What kind of insanity of yours is it that sees cold facts and decides
that it means that other people need to be told what to do?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sergeant America" |
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26 Sep 2005 07:00:34 PM |
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Eraser wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-tiller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
Hi Eraser,
Don't expect logic from pro-abortion posters. Their replies are culled from a
reservoir of pat responses designed to avoid confronting reality.
Now go away, you idiot.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 09:16:08 PM |
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In article <43388BA2.7AF3FF25@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Eraser wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from
complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic
owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by
a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from
her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was
in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back
to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and
she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she
died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically
ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also
declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death
was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=albu
m43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of
the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency
room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to
the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if
not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-t
iller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is
the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the
abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
Hi Eraser,
Don't expect logic from pro-abortion posters. Their replies are culled from a
reservoir of pat responses designed to avoid confronting reality.
The educational system in America. SHAME!
There was no logic in the statement you are commenting upon.
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| User: "" |
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27 Sep 2005 09:15:54 AM |
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Sergeant America wrote:
Don't expect logic from pro-abortion posters. Their replies are culled from
a reservoir of pat responses designed to avoid confronting reality.
Describes YOU to a tee, chicken hawk.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
27 Sep 2005 09:21:35 AM |
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Eraser wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled.
That is correct, and Barnes is not saying otherwise.
Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
You are arguing against a strawman. Barnes' post does not say or imply
that.
What Barnes DOES imply (imho) is that anti-choicers' so-called concern
for the life and well-being of the woman rings a little hollow.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
27 Sep 2005 10:37:36 PM |
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In article <1127830895.053997.182110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<"spartakus@my-deja.com"> wrote:
Eraser wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled.
That is correct, and Barnes is not saying otherwise.
Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
You are arguing against a strawman. Barnes' post does not say or imply
that.
What Barnes DOES imply (imho) is that anti-choicers' so-called concern
for the life and well-being of the woman rings a little hollow.
You got it, why couldn't he?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 09:16:07 PM |
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In article <1127742413.910179.68390@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Eraser <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from
complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned
by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was
in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back
to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she
was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically
ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also
declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album4
3
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of
the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room
at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to
the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not
for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-til
ler.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion
was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
Their choice.
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| User: "Louise " |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 09:03:45 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-tiller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all--but statistically
childbirth IS far riskier than abortion. That's the truth. Having
those statistics in mind I still elected to give birth--twice.
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| User: "Eraser" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 10:00:42 AM |
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Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-tiller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all
You might be correct...but that is certainly the implication that his
words convey. Maybe he meant something else...why don't we let him
clear up any confusion.
--but statistically
childbirth IS far riskier than abortion.
If that is the case, then pregnancy is the real problem. Giving birth
to a child is risky, and having an abortion also involves risk...though
to a lesser degree. It thus seems that people should be responsible
enough to protect themselves against this condition, unless they want
to have a baby. By way of analogy, I would never have unprotected sex
with a person that I know to carry an STD because I do not want to
contract a medical condition which would put my health at risk. If
people acted more responsibly, then the tenet of the Democratic Party,
ie. "Safe, Legal and Rare", would be attainable. What type of public
policies do you think should be put into place in order to achieve the
rarity goal of the DNC?
That's the truth. Having
those statistics in mind I still elected to give birth--twice.
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26 Sep 2005 10:44:07 PM |
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Eraser <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Louise wrote:
"Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all
You might be correct...but that is certainly the implication that his
words convey.
Only to a control freak.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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26 Sep 2005 09:16:07 PM |
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In article <1127746842.797750.96160@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Eraser <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from
complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic
owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday
by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from
her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that
was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent
back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and
she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she
died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the
autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in
critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic.
An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to
the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also
declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death
was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=alb
um43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens
of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency
room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According
to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a
direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if
not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-
tiller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is
the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the
abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all
You might be correct...but that is certainly the implication that his
words convey. Maybe he meant something else...why don't we let him
clear up any confusion.
My point was "Sergeant America" was trying to claim abortion was "bad"
because someone died while aborting. But he advocates giving birth,
and even being forced to give birth, when that is far more dangerous.
Sounds like he is being disingenuous.
--but statistically
childbirth IS far riskier than abortion.
If that is the case, then pregnancy is the real problem.
No - it isn't. Neither one is a problem. They are both choices like
any other choice in which one must weight the risks and the value.
Giving birth
to a child is risky, and having an abortion also involves risk...though
to a lesser degree. It thus seems that people should be responsible
enough to protect themselves against this condition, unless they want
to have a baby. By way of analogy, I would never have unprotected sex
with a person that I know to carry an STD because I do not want to
contract a medical condition which would put my health at risk. If
people acted more responsibly, then the tenet of the Democratic Party,
ie. "Safe, Legal and Rare", would be attainable. What type of public
policies do you think should be put into place in order to achieve the
rarity goal of the DNC?
You tell us.
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26 Sep 2005 10:57:14 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2005 08:00:42 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-tiller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all
You might be correct...but that is certainly the implication that his
words convey. Maybe he meant something else...why don't we let him
clear up any confusion.
I never stopped him from interjecting his motives for writing what he
did, but you're guilty for implying the opposite framed in a
rhetorical question.
--but statistically
childbirth IS far riskier than abortion.
If that is the case, then pregnancy is the real problem.
It can be.
Giving birth
to a child is risky, and having an abortion also involves risk...
Indeed--BUT abortion is LESS of a risk than pregnancy.
though
to a lesser degree. It thus seems that people should be responsible
enough to protect themselves against this condition, unless they want
to have a baby.
I think this is a matter for them to decide on their accord--without
your interference.
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| User: "Eraser" |
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26 Sep 2005 01:17:07 PM |
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Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 08:00:42 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
<snipped for space>
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all
You might be correct...but that is certainly the implication that his
words convey. Maybe he meant something else...why don't we let him
clear up any confusion.
I never stopped him from interjecting his motives for writing what he
did,
I never said, or implied, that you did.
but you're guilty for implying the opposite framed in a
rhetorical question.
I did not ask a rhetorical question. I fully expect an answer to his
statement which implied exactly what I said it did. It is you who are
guilty of making implications and putting words in his mouth when you
said, "The poster is not making that reference at all". I simply said
(in so many words), "I'm not sure, maybe he meant something else. Let
him tell us what he meant".
--but statistically
childbirth IS far riskier than abortion.
If that is the case, then pregnancy is the real problem.
It can be.
Giving birth
to a child is risky, and having an abortion also involves risk...
Indeed--BUT abortion is LESS of a risk than pregnancy.
I think you mean less of a risk than child birth... you obviously can't
have an abortion without being pregnant. In any case I already said
the same thing (see a few lines below), so why are you repeating it?
To further your comparison of risks associated with health conditions,
no pregnancy is LESS of a risk than abortion...so what.
though
to a lesser degree. It thus seems that people should be responsible
enough to protect themselves against this condition, unless they want
to have a baby.
I think this is a matter for them to decide on their accord--without
your interference.
Despite your undisclosed snippage of my full comments, when there is an
epidemic of a preventable medical condition which impacts our tax
dollars and health insurance rates (as well as the health of many
American citizens), it is everybody's business. This is the same
legitimate reason for the outcry during last year's flu vaccine
shortage.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 09:16:08 PM |
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In article <1127758627.887119.232680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Eraser <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 08:00:42 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
<snipped for space>
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all
You might be correct...but that is certainly the implication that his
words convey. Maybe he meant something else...why don't we let him
clear up any confusion.
I never stopped him from interjecting his motives for writing what he
did,
I never said, or implied, that you did.
but you're guilty for implying the opposite framed in a
rhetorical question.
I did not ask a rhetorical question. I fully expect an answer to his
statement which implied exactly what I said it did. It is you who are
guilty of making implications and putting words in his mouth when you
said, "The poster is not making that reference at all". I simply said
(in so many words), "I'm not sure, maybe he meant something else. Let
him tell us what he meant".
--but statistically
childbirth IS far riskier than abortion.
If that is the case, then pregnancy is the real problem.
It can be.
Giving birth
to a child is risky, and having an abortion also involves risk...
Indeed--BUT abortion is LESS of a risk than pregnancy.
I think you mean less of a risk than child birth... you obviously can't
have an abortion without being pregnant. In any case I already said
the same thing (see a few lines below), so why are you repeating it?
To further your comparison of risks associated with health conditions,
no pregnancy is LESS of a risk than abortion...so what.
though
to a lesser degree. It thus seems that people should be responsible
enough to protect themselves against this condition, unless they want
to have a baby.
I think this is a matter for them to decide on their accord--without
your interference.
Despite your undisclosed snippage of my full comments, when there is an
epidemic of a preventable medical condition which impacts our tax
dollars and health insurance rates (as well as the health of many
American citizens), it is everybody's business. This is the same
legitimate reason for the outcry during last year's flu vaccine
shortage.
Forcing women to give birth increases the tax burden. The Right Wing
opposes teaching birth control, which reduces tax spending. The Right
Wing opposes free prenatal care to the poor, which reduces tax
spending. The Right Wing opposes Head Start, which reduces tax
spending. The Right Wing opposes school lunch programs, which reduces
tax spending. The Right Wing opposes after school youth programs,
which reduces tax spending. The Right Wing opposes easy educational
lending programs, which reduces tax spending. The Right Wing
opposes.... Well, you get the idea.
And for the record, abortions were DOWN every year during the Clinton
Administration. They are increasing under Bush.
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| User: "Louise " |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
27 Sep 2005 05:30:42 AM |
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On 26 Sep 2005 11:17:07 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 08:00:42 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
Louise wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
<snipped for space>
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all
You might be correct...but that is certainly the implication that his
words convey. Maybe he meant something else...why don't we let him
clear up any confusion.
I never stopped him from interjecting his motives for writing what he
did,
I never said, or implied, that you did.
but you're guilty for implying the opposite framed in a
rhetorical question.
I did not ask a rhetorical question. I fully expect an answer to his
statement...
What a ridiculous thing to ask.
<clip>
--but statistically
childbirth IS far riskier than abortion.
If that is the case, then pregnancy is the real problem.
It can be.
Giving birth
to a child is risky, and having an abortion also involves risk...
Indeed--BUT abortion is LESS of a risk than pregnancy.
I think you mean less of a risk than child birth...
Yes I did.
<clip>
though
to a lesser degree. It thus seems that people should be responsible
enough to protect themselves against this condition, unless they want
to have a baby.
I think this is a matter for them to decide on their accord--without
your interference.
Despite your undisclosed snippage of my full comments,
That isn't the issue...
when there is an
epidemic of a preventable medical condition which impacts our tax
dollars and health insurance rates...
And pregnancy to full term/childbirth doesn't?
Give me a fucking break.
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| User: "Louise " |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 09:12:18 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:03:45 -0400, Louise <> wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0700, "Eraser" <eraser92156@yahoo.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <43374958.4886E167@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
---
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=266
"According to the Sedgwick County Coroner's report, the cause of death was
complications of therapeutic abortion."
Coroner's autopsy report:
http://www.operationrescue.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album43
---
Commentary by Kelly Hollowell:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46490
"A clinic employee called 911. More worried abut the clinics image than
Christin, she begged the dispatcher to turn off the lights or sirens of the
ambulance. The ambulance arrived and took Christin to the emergency room at
Wesley Medical Center, but it was too late. Christin died. According to the
medical examiner's report, her horrifying and painful death was a direct
result of the abortion. What's worse, it could have been prevented if not for
the misdiagnosis and slow response of clinic staff."
--
Listen to audio of the 911 call:
http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=nkgszkbab.0.0.zjzzpde6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dr-tiller.
com%2Fimages%2Fnosirenplease.mp3
(How professional... And this is a nurse! The only thing she nurses is the
reputation of her abortion mill.)
The victim, Christin Gilbert, had Down Syndrome. It's likely the abortion was
cariied out without her consent.
"Pro-woman!" "Pro-choice!" "Woman's right to choose!"
SHAME!!!!
The educational system in America. SHAME!
Far more women die giving birth every year than from the complications
of an abortion.
I thought that, from a pro-choice pov, "giving birth" is one of the
choices to which women are entitled. Are you saying that women should
abort at a higher rate than they are presently?
The poster is not making that reference at all--but statistically
childbirth IS far riskier than abortion. That's the truth. Having
those statistics in mind I still elected to give birth--twice.
(Because I badly wanted children of my own.)
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| User: "Louise " |
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26 Sep 2005 08:12:40 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:05:28 +1200, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (Pro-lie disinformation) |
25 Sep 2005 08:09:22 PM |
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Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
About 350 women die every year from childbirth complications.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Sergeant America" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (Pro-lie disinformation) |
25 Sep 2005 08:16:45 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
About 350 women die every year from childbirth complications.
See how Fischer runs away from the facts of the case. Fischer seems remarkably
unconcerned about the brutalized women he and his ilk claim to help. It's
clear to him that 350 victims of abortion is acceptable, no matter what the
circumstances of their death.
This is how the pro-abortion fanatics hold their own accountable for shoddy
professional conduct. IOW, they don't. They're playing a PR gamne, just as the
nurse at Tiller's Wichita clinic was.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (Pro-lie disinformation) |
25 Sep 2005 08:36:44 PM |
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In article <43374BFD.676AD394@21.2>, Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
About 350 women die every year from childbirth complications.
See how Fischer runs away from the facts of the case. Fischer seems remarkably
unconcerned about the brutalized women he and his ilk claim to help. It's
clear to him that 350 victims of abortion is acceptable, no matter what the
circumstances of their death.
This is how the pro-abortion fanatics hold their own accountable for shoddy
professional conduct. IOW, they don't. They're playing a PR gamne, just as the
nurse at Tiller's Wichita clinic was.
Google the word "abortion." Who is really playing the "PR" game?
"Pro-lifers" or the "pro-choice."
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (Pro-lie disinformation) |
25 Sep 2005 10:42:58 PM |
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Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
About 350 women die every year from childbirth complications.
See how Fischer runs away from the facts of the case.
See how the woman-hating fanatic screeches in outrage that women are
allowed to run their own lives and turns a blind eye to the hundreds
of women who die every year trying to have children.
Fischer seems remarkably
unconcerned about the brutalized women he and his ilk claim to help.
Like the hundreds you want dead or suffering?
It's
clear to him that 350 victims of abortion is acceptable, no matter what the
circumstances of their death.
You're insane. The number of women who die from abortion is about
five every year.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (Pro-lie disinformation) |
26 Sep 2005 01:04:02 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Sergeant America <sa@21.2> wrote:
It's clear to him that 350 victims of abortion is acceptable, no
matter what the circumstances of their death.
You're insane. The number of women who die from abortion is about
five every year.
Ray, he actually twisted your citation of overall maternal mortality
statistics (which includes deaths caused by childbirth, complications
of pregnancy and both induced and spontaneous abortion) into
abortion-only mortality. He can't even take the trouble to read for
comprehension before responding.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Tiller the Killer Kills again (twice) |
26 Sep 2005 01:03:25 AM |
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Sergeant America wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
Are you implying that the clinic gave her pneumonia?
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26 Sep 2005 09:16:09 PM |
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In article <NaMZe.8065$cg.7426@news02.roc.ny>, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@-=Citlink=-.net> wrote:
Sergeant America wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
A 19-year-old woman with Down's syndrome died in January from complications
related to an abortion at Women's Health Care Services, the clinic owned by
Dr. George Tiller, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by a
group that opposes abortions.
Christin Gilbert had been brought to the clinic by family members from her
home in Texas on Jan. 10. She underwent an abortion of a fetus that was in
its
28th week of development.
On Jan. 12, she was treated for dehydration at the clinic and sent back to
the
hotel where she was staying. Her condition deteriorated, however, and she
was
taken back to the clinic the next day, where she lost consciousness.
She was then taken to Wesley Medical Center by ambulance, where she died.
Gilbert most likely died of sepsis as a result of pneumonia, the autopsy
report stated. Sepsis is a severe infection that develops in critically ill
patients.
Operation Rescue president Troy Newman called for an investigation into
whether other women have died following abortions at Tiller's clinic. An
employee of the clinic said there would be no comment in response to the
autopsy report.
Whitney Watson, a spokesman for Attorney General Phill Kline, also declined
comment.
Are you implying that the clinic gave her pneumonia?
He doesn't know. He just knows someone died around the same time a
fetus was aborted, and that is good enough for propaganda purposes.
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| User: "" |
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26 Sep 2005 09:43:11 AM |
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Sergeant America wrote:
Woman died from abortion complications, group says
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12653888.htm
Let's take a breath and get some perspective here. Anyone who is
honestly and sincerely interested in the truth would look at the whole
picture here, admitting the possibility that Ms. Gilbert's cause of
death may have been something else. Ms. Gilbert had the abortion at 28
weeks gestation. Is it possible that she was already gravely ill, and
this illness prompted her to seek the abortion?
Did our resident poster child for Operation Yellow Elephant happen to
*read* the actual autoposy report he is drooling over? It mentions the
presense of hydrocodone (a Schedule II prescription drug) in her
bloodstream.
http://www.streetdrugs.org/hydrocodone.htm
Hydrocodone is in Schedule II of the Controlled
ubstances Act. Preparations containing hydrocodone
in combination with other non-narcotic medicinal
ingredients are in Schedule III.
Vicodin, hydrocodone in combination with acetaminophen,
is a commonly abused version of hydrocodone. Vicodin,
as with all narcotic analgesics, can be habit forming
---causing dependence, tolerance, and withdrawal
symptoms if not used as it is prescribed. Even when
used as prescribed, the following effects are
possible:
COMMON SIDE EFFECTS MAY INCLUDE: dizziness, light-
headedness, nausea, sedation, vomiting, and
constipation.
LESS COMMON SIDE EFFECTS: allergic reactions, blood
disorders, mood changes, mental cloudiness, anxiety,
lethargy, urine retention, ureteral spasm, irregular
breathing, respiratory depression, and skin rash.
SYMPTOMS OF OVERDOSE: bluish tinge to skin, cold and
clammy skin, extreme sleepiness progressing to a
possible state of unresponsiveness or coma, heart
problems, heavy perspiration, kidney problems, limp
muscles, liver failure, low blood pressure, nausea,
slow heartbeat, troubled or slowed breathing, and
vomiting.
Ms. Gilbert exhibited many of these symptoms in the hours before her
death. It is quite possible that the hydrocotone itself brought about
her symtoms, or the clinic may have given her another analgesic (like
acetaminophen) without being told about her hydrocotone use.
The autoposy also noted the presense of Candida parapsilosis, a yeast
which is associated with hospital-related infections. This yeast is
the fourth most common cause of hospital-related bloodstream
infections.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol10no6/03-0873.htm
What's grimly ironic here is that Operation Rescue, et al, are
trumpeting to the heavens the words "sepsis" and "complications of
induced abortion", the very words they *deny* in the case of Becky
Bell.
Btw, abortion deaths are more thoroughly investigated than deaths from
any other medical procedure. Operation Rescue's calls for more
investigation are just for show - we already know how many deaths are
from induced abortion, and that complications of pregnancy and
childbirth are still 18 times more likely to cause death as a 1st
trimester abortion.
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