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User: "james g. keegan jr."
Date: 17 Mar 2006 07:48:46 AM
Object: Time for Facts, Not Resolutions
March 17, 2006
Editorial
Time for Facts, Not Resolutions
We understand the frustration that led Senator Russell Feingold to
introduce a measure that would censure President Bush for authorizing
warrantless spying on Americans. It's galling to watch from the
outside as the Republicans and most Democrats refuse time and again
to hold Mr. Bush accountable for the lawlessness and incompetence of
his administration. Actually sitting among that cowardly crew must be
maddening.
Still, the censure proposal is a bad idea. Members of Congress don't
need to take extraordinary measures like that now. They need to
fulfill their sworn duty to investigate the executive branch's
misdeeds and failings. Talk about censure will only distract the
public from the failure of their elected representatives to earn
their paychecks.
We'd be applauding Mr. Feingold if he'd proposed creating a
bipartisan panel to determine whether the domestic spying operation
that Mr. Bush has acknowledged violates the 1978 surveillance law, as
it certainly seems to do. The Senate should also force the disclosure
of any other spying Mr. Bush is conducting outside the law. (Attorney
General Alberto Gonzales has strongly hinted that is happening.)
The Senate Intelligence and Judiciary Committees should do this, but
we can't expect a real effort from Senator Pat Roberts, the
Intelligence Committee chairman, or Senator Arlen Specter, chairman
of the Judiciary Committee. They're too busy trying to give legal
cover to the president's trampling on the law and the Constitution.
When the Republicans try to block an investigation, as they surely
will, Senator Harry Reid, the minority leader, should not be afraid
to highlight that fact by shutting down the Senate's public business,
as he did last year. This time, though, Mr. Reid needs to follow up.
The first time Mr. Reid forced the Senate into a closed session, Mr.
Roberts said he would keep his promise about an investigation into
the hyping of intelligence on Iraq. But Mr. Roberts continues to sit
on that report.
The nation needs to know a great deal more about the domestic spying.
How many people's calls and e-mail were tapped? How were they chosen?
Was Mr. Bush planning to do this until the war on terror ended ‹ that
is, forever? The public should be asking why members of Congress are
afraid to make those important and legitimate queries.
With so much still unknown about the domestic spying, the censure
resolution merely allows the Republicans to change the subject to
fairy tales about Democratic leaders' trying to impeach Mr. Bush.
They are also painting criticism of Mr. Bush as unpatriotic. That's
tedious nonsense, but watching Mr. Feingold's Democratic colleagues
run for cover shows how effective it is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/opinion/17fri1.html?ex=1300251600&en
=e644370779199506&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Time for Facts, Not Resolutions 17 Mar 2006 09:45:59 AM
james g. keegan jr. wrote:

March 17, 2006
Editorial
Time for Facts, Not Resolutions

We understand the frustration that led Senator Russell Feingold to
introduce a measure that would censure President Bush for authorizing
warrantless spying on Americans. It's galling to watch from the
outside as the Republicans and most Democrats refuse time and again
to hold Mr. Bush accountable for the lawlessness and incompetence of
his administration. Actually sitting among that cowardly crew must be
maddening.

Still, the censure proposal is a bad idea. Members of Congress don't
need to take extraordinary measures like that now. They need to
fulfill their sworn duty to investigate the executive branch's
misdeeds and failings. Talk about censure will only distract the
public from the failure of their elected representatives to earn
their paychecks.

We'd be applauding Mr. Feingold if he'd proposed creating a
bipartisan panel to determine whether the domestic spying operation
that Mr. Bush has acknowledged violates the 1978 surveillance law, as
it certainly seems to do. The Senate should also force the disclosure
of any other spying Mr. Bush is conducting outside the law. (Attorney
General Alberto Gonzales has strongly hinted that is happening.)

The Senate Intelligence and Judiciary Committees should do this, but
we can't expect a real effort from Senator Pat Roberts, the
Intelligence Committee chairman, or Senator Arlen Specter, chairman
of the Judiciary Committee. They're too busy trying to give legal
cover to the president's trampling on the law and the Constitution.

When the Republicans try to block an investigation, as they surely
will, Senator Harry Reid, the minority leader, should not be afraid
to highlight that fact by shutting down the Senate's public business,
as he did last year. This time, though, Mr. Reid needs to follow up.
The first time Mr. Reid forced the Senate into a closed session, Mr.
Roberts said he would keep his promise about an investigation into
the hyping of intelligence on Iraq. But Mr. Roberts continues to sit
on that report.

The nation needs to know a great deal more about the domestic spying.
How many people's calls and e-mail were tapped? How were they chosen?
Was Mr. Bush planning to do this until the war on terror ended =8B that
is, forever? The public should be asking why members of Congress are
afraid to make those important and legitimate queries.

With so much still unknown about the domestic spying, the censure
resolution merely allows the Republicans to change the subject to
fairy tales about Democratic leaders' trying to impeach Mr. Bush.
They are also painting criticism of Mr. Bush as unpatriotic. That's
tedious nonsense, but watching Mr. Feingold's Democratic colleagues
run for cover shows how effective it is.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/opinion/17fri1.html?ex=3D1300251600&en
=3De644370779199506&ei=3D5088&partner=3Drssnyt&emc=3Drss

I disagree with the main point of the editorial. Censure does not
preclude investigation or subsequent impeachment. Feingold is correct
in substance and timing, and it is high time that Congress steps up and
reasserts its oversight of the Executive Branch.
Alas, however; the writer is correct about the Democrats running for
cover. This is a splendid opportunity for Democrats to define
themselves in the public's eyes as the party that defends the
Constitution and the rule of law. There is no downside to supporting
Feingold's resolution. What are they afraid of?
.
User: "james g. keegan jr."

Title: Re: Time for Facts, Not Resolutions 17 Mar 2006 10:37:20 AM
In article <1142610359.854767.122920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

March 17, 2006
Editorial
Time for Facts, Not Resolutions

We understand the frustration that led Senator Russell Feingold to
introduce a measure that would censure President Bush for authorizing
warrantless spying on Americans. It's galling to watch from the
outside as the Republicans and most Democrats refuse time and again
to hold Mr. Bush accountable for the lawlessness and incompetence of
his administration. Actually sitting among that cowardly crew must be
maddening.

Still, the censure proposal is a bad idea. Members of Congress don't
need to take extraordinary measures like that now. They need to
fulfill their sworn duty to investigate the executive branch's
misdeeds and failings. Talk about censure will only distract the
public from the failure of their elected representatives to earn
their paychecks.

We'd be applauding Mr. Feingold if he'd proposed creating a
bipartisan panel to determine whether the domestic spying operation
that Mr. Bush has acknowledged violates the 1978 surveillance law, as
it certainly seems to do. The Senate should also force the disclosure
of any other spying Mr. Bush is conducting outside the law. (Attorney
General Alberto Gonzales has strongly hinted that is happening.)

The Senate Intelligence and Judiciary Committees should do this, but
we can't expect a real effort from Senator Pat Roberts, the
Intelligence Committee chairman, or Senator Arlen Specter, chairman
of the Judiciary Committee. They're too busy trying to give legal
cover to the president's trampling on the law and the Constitution.

When the Republicans try to block an investigation, as they surely
will, Senator Harry Reid, the minority leader, should not be afraid
to highlight that fact by shutting down the Senate's public business,
as he did last year. This time, though, Mr. Reid needs to follow up.
The first time Mr. Reid forced the Senate into a closed session, Mr.
Roberts said he would keep his promise about an investigation into
the hyping of intelligence on Iraq. But Mr. Roberts continues to sit
on that report.

The nation needs to know a great deal more about the domestic spying.
How many people's calls and e-mail were tapped? How were they chosen?
Was Mr. Bush planning to do this until the war on terror ended ‹ that
is, forever? The public should be asking why members of Congress are
afraid to make those important and legitimate queries.

With so much still unknown about the domestic spying, the censure
resolution merely allows the Republicans to change the subject to
fairy tales about Democratic leaders' trying to impeach Mr. Bush.
They are also painting criticism of Mr. Bush as unpatriotic. That's
tedious nonsense, but watching Mr. Feingold's Democratic colleagues
run for cover shows how effective it is.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/opinion/17fri1.html?ex=1300251600&en
=e644370779199506&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss


I disagree with the main point of the editorial. Censure does not
preclude investigation or subsequent impeachment. Feingold is correct
in substance and timing, and it is high time that Congress steps up and
reasserts its oversight of the Executive Branch.

i struggled with this a bit, but i decided that support of censure
would provide cover from a more serious investigation and impeachment.
elections are approaching. some candidates are going to have to
explain why they supported impeachment proceedings for the crime of
lying about a personal and private sexual matter but haven't
campaigned for it against the man and administration who have lied,
killed and broken the law repeatedly. i decided that one defense
against this question would be to say they supported censure. i don;t
oppose censure but i don't want to see it as the replacement for
legitimate investigations and impeachment trials.

Alas, however; the writer is correct about the Democrats running for
cover. This is a splendid opportunity for Democrats to define
themselves in the public's eyes as the party that defends the
Constitution and the rule of law. There is no downside to supporting
Feingold's resolution. What are they afraid of?

they are afraid of the same types of things as joe wilson could have
been, or worse. once you grasp the reality of the criminal
administration, then retribution becomes a non-trivial matter.
they're afraid for good reason.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Time for Facts, Not Resolutions 18 Mar 2006 11:05:09 AM
james g. keegan jr. wrote:

"spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:

I disagree with the main point of the editorial. Censure does not
preclude investigation or subsequent impeachment. Feingold is
correct in substance and timing, and it is high time that Congress
steps up and reasserts its oversight of the Executive Branch.

i struggled with this a bit, but i decided that support of censure
would provide cover from a more serious investigation and impeachment.

Some commentators are saying that the resolution allows Republicans to
shift the public's attention away from their *****-ups and on to the
Democrats. There's a grain of truth to that, I'll admit.

elections are approaching. some candidates are going to have to
explain why they supported impeachment proceedings for the crime of
lying about a personal and private sexual matter but haven't
campaigned for it against the man and administration who have lied,
killed and broken the law repeatedly. i decided that one defense
against this question would be to say they supported censure. i don;t
oppose censure but i don't want to see it as the replacement for
legitimate investigations and impeachment trials.

I see censure as a first step of a process that leads to legitimate
investigations and impeachment trials. A plurality of Americans want
this censure resolution voted on, and they are letting their congress
critters know about it.

Alas, however; the writer is correct about the Democrats running for
cover. This is a splendid opportunity for Democrats to define
themselves in the public's eyes as the party that defends the
Constitution and the rule of law. There is no downside to supporting
Feingold's resolution. What are they afraid of?

they are afraid of the same types of things as joe wilson could
have been, or worse. once you grasp the reality of the criminal
administration, then retribution becomes a non-trivial matter.
they're afraid for good reason.

As I told my senators via email, sometimes the fight matters more than
the outcome.
.
User: "james g. keegan jr."

Title: Re: Time for Facts, Not Resolutions 20 Mar 2006 04:48:02 PM
In article <1142701509.184322.52140@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:

james g. keegan jr. wrote:

"spartakus@my-deja.com" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:


I disagree with the main point of the editorial. Censure does not
preclude investigation or subsequent impeachment. Feingold is
correct in substance and timing, and it is high time that Congress
steps up and reasserts its oversight of the Executive Branch.


i struggled with this a bit, but i decided that support of censure
would provide cover from a more serious investigation and impeachment.


Some commentators are saying that the resolution allows Republicans to
shift the public's attention away from their *****-ups and on to the
Democrats. There's a grain of truth to that, I'll admit.

more than a grain.

elections are approaching. some candidates are going to have to
explain why they supported impeachment proceedings for the crime of
lying about a personal and private sexual matter but haven't
campaigned for it against the man and administration who have lied,
killed and broken the law repeatedly. i decided that one defense
against this question would be to say they supported censure. i don;t
oppose censure but i don't want to see it as the replacement for
legitimate investigations and impeachment trials.


I see censure as a first step of a process that leads to legitimate
investigations and impeachment trials. A plurality of Americans want
this censure resolution voted on, and they are letting their congress
critters know about it.

if i believed censure was a first step, i would strongly endorse it.
but there is a legitimate danger that people will be come hardened
and emotionally tired of the ugly revelations that will emerge from
any investigation of the bush administration. i'm not at all sure
that there has ever been a more criminal government. i am thinking of
the post-watergate withdrawal from events of most usa citizens and
nixon's crimes were insignificant compared to bush's, plus the nixon
administration actually did some good things; things that had the
potential to benefit citizens, unlike the bush administration which
has consistently stolen from the poor to rive to the rich.

Alas, however; the writer is correct about the Democrats running for
cover. This is a splendid opportunity for Democrats to define
themselves in the public's eyes as the party that defends the
Constitution and the rule of law. There is no downside to supporting
Feingold's resolution. What are they afraid of?


they are afraid of the same types of things as joe wilson could
have been, or worse. once you grasp the reality of the criminal
administration, then retribution becomes a non-trivial matter.
they're afraid for good reason.


As I told my senators via email, sometimes the fight matters more than
the outcome.

i too said something similar to mine. i also asserted that i wasn't
satisfied with censure only but of prosecution (impeachment) for the
criminal actions.
.





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