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Science > Abortion |
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"Joni" |
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28 Apr 2004 12:40:18 PM |
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To all the feminists |
It was brought to my attention that really caught me by supraise.
There are a good many of women out there that like to open their legs
and have unprotected sex. But, when they find out they are going to
have to take resposiblity for the things that they have done they go
out and have the problem eliminated.
This is a horrible thing to do. People play and then when they find
that their playing means they are going to have to take responsiblity
for not only them selves but some one else they panic, and then they
go out and kill an innocent child.
I honsetly think a lot of this can be eliminated by saying ok. Yes
I do have a choice, I can either have this baby and keep it. Set goals
and dreams that both the child and I can live up to or, they can say
you know what I don't want this child but there are many many people
out there that cannot have children and I can allow this child to live
and make some other couple happy and bless them with a child.
So for those of you that are so unable to multi-task and multi-plan,
do us all a favor and keep your legs closed. That way you save your
self a whole lot of embarrassment and all the rest of us a whole lot
of head ache.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: To all the feminists |
29 Apr 2004 01:01:08 AM |
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Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
It was brought to my attention that really caught me by supraise.
There are a good many of women out there that like to open their legs
and have unprotected sex. But, when they find out they are going to
have to take resposiblity for the things that they have done they go
out and have the problem eliminated.
They take responsibility by ending an unwanted pregnancy.
This is a horrible thing to do.
Says who?
Some self-righteous, anti-sex, busybody?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joni" |
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| Title: Re: To all the feminists |
29 Apr 2004 11:07:07 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6q5n4$59c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
It was brought to my attention that really caught me by supraise.
There are a good many of women out there that like to open their legs
and have unprotected sex. But, when they find out they are going to
have to take resposiblity for the things that they have done they go
out and have the problem eliminated.
They take responsibility by ending an unwanted pregnancy.
Taking resposibility would be to take that little pill every day or
get that shot once every 3 months, or even easier than that using the
condom that you can get at the department of human sevices for free. I
don't really think it take a whole lot of responsiblity to say I don't
want it and neither does any one else. That is very selfish, and
expecting others to think the same way you do.
This is a horrible thing to do.
Says who?
Ok well let me put it this way. It is a horrible thing to do in my
oppion and is this not what the whole message forum is about?
Expressing you oppion about things and getting other peoples view
point on things?
Some self-righteous, anti-sex, busybody?
As for me being self-righteous, nope, that is just the way I feel
about things. there is no harm in that. My oppions are worth what you
pay for them to you. There are how ever those out there that are
willing to listen to some one elses feelings on things with out
forming oppions and mud slinging.
Anti-Sex? Oh there is no way that applies to me. The differance is, I
do take total and coplete responsibilty for my actions. I get my
little shot every 90 days, and when things go down hill and I am on my
own yet again I get my self check for pregancy and all the other
things that could make life rough.
And yes I think it is safe to say I am some what of a busy body, only
I have 2 wonderful children that keep me busy, and also help to
generate some of my reasons for feeling the way I do. Joni
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: To all the feminists |
29 Apr 2004 11:35:48 PM |
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Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6q5n4$59c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
It was brought to my attention that really caught me by supraise.
There are a good many of women out there that like to open their legs
and have unprotected sex. But, when they find out they are going to
have to take resposiblity for the things that they have done they go
out and have the problem eliminated.
They take responsibility by ending an unwanted pregnancy.
Taking resposibility would be to take that little pill every day or
get that shot once every 3 months, or even easier than that using the
condom that you can get at the department of human sevices for free.
How do you know that they don't do that? After all, contraception
does fail.
I
don't really think it take a whole lot of responsiblity to say I don't
want it and neither does any one else. That is very selfish, and
expecting others to think the same way you do.
LOL! Like you're expecing everybody to think your way?
This is a horrible thing to do.
Says who?
Ok well let me put it this way. It is a horrible thing to do in my
oppion and is this not what the whole message forum is about?
In my opinion you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
Expressing you oppion about things and getting other peoples view
point on things?
Opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one and they all stink.
Some self-righteous, anti-sex, busybody?
As for me being self-righteous, nope, that is just the way I feel
about things.
You're right and everybody else who disagrees is wrong.
there is no harm in that.
Wanna bet?
My oppions are worth what you
pay for them to you. There are how ever those out there that are
willing to listen to some one elses feelings on things with out
forming oppions and mud slinging.
And I'm willing to point out where you are arrogant, self-righteous,
and hypocritical.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joni" |
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| Title: Re: To all the feminists |
30 Apr 2004 11:42:14 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sl33$vbq$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6q5n4$59c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
It was brought to my attention that really caught me by supraise.
There are a good many of women out there that like to open their legs
and have unprotected sex. But, when they find out they are going to
have to take resposiblity for the things that they have done they go
out and have the problem eliminated.
They take responsibility by ending an unwanted pregnancy.
Taking resposibility would be to take that little pill every day or
get that shot once every 3 months, or even easier than that using the
condom that you can get at the department of human sevices for free.
How do you know that they don't do that? After all, contraception
does fail.
Yes contriception has been known to fail, but, if all those women that
are not taking it and gotten pregnant have oh taken it there would be
any where from a .8% to a .1% chance of them getting pregnant. Meaning
there would be a great many less people having abortions, or having to
give children up that they don't want or can't take care of.
I
don't really think it take a whole lot of responsiblity to say I don't
want it and neither does any one else. That is very selfish, and
expecting others to think the same way you do.
LOL! Like you're expecing everybody to think your way?
I am not expecting any one to think my way. Just like you are doing
only I feel I am more polite about it I am just showing every one
another point of view on the topic.
This is a horrible thing to do.
Says who?
Ok well let me put it this way. It is a horrible thing to do in my
oppion and is this not what the whole message forum is about?
In my opinion you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
Well if that is really the way you feel, but to enlighten you, I have
never had an abortion nor have I ever had the need for an abortion. I
have the presnce of mind to say I need to take precautions. I also
have a boy friend and an ex-husband that did not tell me that if I had
that child they would leave me. That helps greatly when your
significant other is open minded and willing to brave the long road a
head.
Expressing you oppion about things and getting other peoples view
point on things?
Opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one and they all stink.
In this statement you have managed to cut your self down as well, if
you really feel that way about oppions I would suggest you do your
best not to form any. That way you might take a great chance of being
differant than others. But, be careful, being differant does not
always merrit things such as friends and people to like you, you would
have to step out of the in croud.
Some self-righteous, anti-sex, busybody?
As for me being self-righteous, nope, that is just the way I feel
about things.
You're right and everybody else who disagrees is wrong.
I never said I was right, I just said this is how I feel. I have how
ever seen what it does to a person when they realize that in having
that abortion they have left the world less one wonderful little
person that could one day grow to make a differance in every one's
life. A lot of these people never recover mentally after all this
catches up with them.
there is no harm in that.
Wanna bet?
How is it going to harm any one but m saying that I am against
abortion completely? If my feelings are offending you then I suggest
you not post to me any more. I mean if it is really that harmful to
you.
My oppions are worth what you
pay for them to you. There are how ever those out there that are
willing to listen to some one elses feelings on things with out
forming oppions and mud slinging.
And I'm willing to point out where you are arrogant, self-righteous,
and hypocritical.
Well we have been over the self-righteous thing already. I am no more
self-righteous than you are in having the guts to say the way I feel.
And a hyocrit is nothing more than a liar, one that says one thing and
does another. My actions and feelings here are they same as when I am
among friends and family.
Arrogant on the other hand, I think you sould know me in preson not on
this message forum before you form that oppion. My nose is not in the
air and I am not shallow or closed minded in any way.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: To all the feminists |
01 May 2004 12:54:41 AM |
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Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sl33$vbq$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6q5n4$59c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
It was brought to my attention that really caught me by supraise.
There are a good many of women out there that like to open their legs
and have unprotected sex. But, when they find out they are going to
have to take resposiblity for the things that they have done they go
out and have the problem eliminated.
They take responsibility by ending an unwanted pregnancy.
Taking resposibility would be to take that little pill every day or
get that shot once every 3 months, or even easier than that using the
condom that you can get at the department of human sevices for free.
How do you know that they don't do that? After all, contraception
does fail.
Yes contriception has been known to fail, but, if all those women that
are not taking it and gotten pregnant have oh taken it there would be
any where from a .8% to a .1% chance of them getting pregnant. Meaning
there would be a great many less people having abortions, or having to
give children up that they don't want or can't take care of.
And how are you going to prove that a given woman didn't use
contraception?
I
don't really think it take a whole lot of responsiblity to say I don't
want it and neither does any one else. That is very selfish, and
expecting others to think the same way you do.
LOL! Like you're expecing everybody to think your way?
I am not expecting any one to think my way.
You don't expect people to forgo abortion just because you don't like
it?!?
This is a horrible thing to do.
Says who?
Ok well let me put it this way. It is a horrible thing to do in my
oppion and is this not what the whole message forum is about?
In my opinion you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
Well if that is really the way you feel, but to enlighten you, I have
never had an abortion nor have I ever had the need for an abortion.
So what? You want women to give birth even though you don't want to
contribute anything.
Expressing you oppion about things and getting other peoples view
point on things?
Opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one and they all stink.
In this statement you have managed to cut your self down as well,
I know better than to think that other people should accept my
opinions. Facts count.
Some self-righteous, anti-sex, busybody?
As for me being self-righteous, nope, that is just the way I feel
about things.
You're right and everybody else who disagrees is wrong.
I never said I was right, I just said this is how I feel.
And why should anyone else care?
I have how
ever seen what it does to a person when they realize that in having
that abortion they have left the world less one wonderful little
person that could one day grow to make a differance in every one's
life.
Propaganda.
My oppions are worth what you
pay for them to you. There are how ever those out there that are
willing to listen to some one elses feelings on things with out
forming oppions and mud slinging.
And I'm willing to point out where you are arrogant, self-righteous,
and hypocritical.
Well we have been over the self-righteous thing already. I am no more
self-righteous than you are in having the guts to say the way I feel.
You expect women to suffer the pain, risk, injury, and expense of
childbirth while you remain free to do nothing to help anybody.
That is hypocrisy.
And a hyocrit is nothing more than a liar, one that says one thing and
does another.
That's right.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Joni" |
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| Title: Re: To all the feminists |
01 May 2004 03:08:06 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6ve30$43t$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sl33$vbq$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6q5n4$59c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
It was brought to my attention that really caught me by supraise.
There are a good many of women out there that like to open their legs
and have unprotected sex. But, when they find out they are going to
have to take resposiblity for the things that they have done they go
out and have the problem eliminated.
They take responsibility by ending an unwanted pregnancy.
Taking resposibility would be to take that little pill every day or
get that shot once every 3 months, or even easier than that using the
condom that you can get at the department of human sevices for free.
How do you know that they don't do that? After all, contraception
does fail.
Yes contriception has been known to fail, but, if all those women that
are not taking it and gotten pregnant have oh taken it there would be
any where from a .8% to a .1% chance of them getting pregnant. Meaning
there would be a great many less people having abortions, or having to
give children up that they don't want or can't take care of.
And how are you going to prove that a given woman didn't use
contraception?
I
don't really think it take a whole lot of responsiblity to say I don't
want it and neither does any one else. That is very selfish, and
expecting others to think the same way you do.
LOL! Like you're expecing everybody to think your way?
I am not expecting any one to think my way.
You don't expect people to forgo abortion just because you don't like
it?!?
This is a horrible thing to do.
Says who?
Ok well let me put it this way. It is a horrible thing to do in my
oppion and is this not what the whole message forum is about?
In my opinion you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
Well if that is really the way you feel, but to enlighten you, I have
never had an abortion nor have I ever had the need for an abortion.
So what? You want women to give birth even though you don't want to
contribute anything.
Expressing you oppion about things and getting other peoples view
point on things?
Opinions are like assholes - everybody's got one and they all stink.
In this statement you have managed to cut your self down as well,
I know better than to think that other people should accept my
opinions. Facts count.
Some self-righteous, anti-sex, busybody?
As for me being self-righteous, nope, that is just the way I feel
about things.
You're right and everybody else who disagrees is wrong.
I never said I was right, I just said this is how I feel.
And why should anyone else care?
I have how
ever seen what it does to a person when they realize that in having
that abortion they have left the world less one wonderful little
person that could one day grow to make a differance in every one's
life.
Propaganda.
My oppions are worth what you
pay for them to you. There are how ever those out there that are
willing to listen to some one elses feelings on things with out
forming oppions and mud slinging.
And I'm willing to point out where you are arrogant, self-righteous,
and hypocritical.
Well we have been over the self-righteous thing already. I am no more
self-righteous than you are in having the guts to say the way I feel.
You expect women to suffer the pain, risk, injury, and expense of
childbirth while you remain free to do nothing to help anybody.
That is hypocrisy.
And a hyocrit is nothing more than a liar, one that says one thing and
does another.
That's right.
Ok I have grown tired of you being an ***** and thinking I am just going
to accept it. You are just like my ex husband, you are sitting here
telling me that I am wrong for thinking the way I do and telling me I
expect every one else to thing the say way. You are wrong. You are the
one that expects every one else to think the same way you do. My whole
pourpose for even posting to begin with was to share my side of the
story so to speak. You have totally and completely given me nothing to
believe in as far as humity is concerned. You are the exact type of
person that makes other afraid to express thier feelings.
Congradulations you have succeeded In being a total and complete popus
*****, and in being just like all the other people out there that have
given me reason to doubt there is any reason for even trying to be
kind to others. It is people like you that have made it impossible for
people to feel they can trust another to talk to.
I am sure you lead quite the lonely life. I hoope that you can become
more open minded and see that other people have feelings and that it
is ok for some one to not feel the same way you do about every thing.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: To all the feminists |
01 May 2004 07:10:23 PM |
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Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6ve30$43t$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6sl33$vbq$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<c6q5n4$59c$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Joni <wildredgoddess@yahoo.com> wrote:
It was brought to my attention that really caught me by supraise.
There are a good many of women out there that like to open their legs
and have unprotected sex. But, when they find out they are going to
have to take resposiblity for the things that they have done they go
out and have the problem eliminated.
They take responsibility by ending an unwanted pregnancy.
Taking resposibility would be to take that little pill every day or
get that shot once every 3 months, or even easier than that using the
condom that you can get at the department of human sevices for free.
How do you know that they don't do that? After all, contraception
does fail.
Yes contriception has been known to fail, but, if all those women that
are not taking it and gotten pregnant have oh taken it there would be
any where from a .8% to a .1% chance of them getting pregnant. Meaning
there would be a great many less people having abortions, or having to
give children up that they don't want or can't take care of.
And how are you going to prove that a given woman didn't use
contraception?
I didn't think so.
LOL! Like you're expecing everybody to think your way?
I am not expecting any one to think my way.
You don't expect people to forgo abortion just because you don't like
it?!?
No response there, either.
In my opinion you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
Well if that is really the way you feel, but to enlighten you, I have
never had an abortion nor have I ever had the need for an abortion.
So what? You want women to give birth even though you don't want to
contribute anything.
Wasn't expecting a response there.
[...]
Well we have been over the self-righteous thing already. I am no more
self-righteous than you are in having the guts to say the way I feel.
You expect women to suffer the pain, risk, injury, and expense of
childbirth while you remain free to do nothing to help anybody.
That is hypocrisy.
And a hyocrit is nothing more than a liar, one that says one thing and
does another.
That's right.
Ok I have grown tired of you being an ***** and thinking I am just going
to accept it.
The facts are inconvenient, aren't they?
You are just like my ex husband, you are sitting here
telling me that I am wrong for thinking the way I do and telling me I
expect every one else to thing the say way.
LOL!
And that's SO much different from you sitting there and telling women
that they're wrong for getting abortions.
You are wrong.
"telling me that I am wrong for thinking the way I do"
You are the
one that expects every one else to think the same way you do.
Nope.
My whole
pourpose for even posting to begin with was to share my side of the
story so to speak. You have totally and completely given me nothing to
believe in as far as humity is concerned.
The old "women are sluts" argument is a non-starter. Next time I
suggest that you not start with the insults.
You are the exact type of
person that makes other afraid to express thier feelings.
What a whiny hypocrite you are. You can dish it out but you sure as
hell whine when you get a little of your own crap thrown back at you.
Congradulations you have succeeded In being a total and complete popus
*****,
I'd rather be a pompous ***** than a dishonest hypocrite like you.
Grow up.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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