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Topic:	Science > Abortion
User:	"Thom Michaels"
Date:	10 Apr 2004 12:31:20 PM
Object:	tracing IP addresses

alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspiracy,sci.astro.amateur
The fact that Min ended up with my IP address is not a big deal. I
didn't think it was possible to do on a newsgroup. The only way it
can happen is if the person supervises or administrates a certain
newgroup. Min administrates one of the above NG's with their own
server.
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User: "nina"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 02:46:20 PM

"Thom Michaels" <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:plbg70dhbgn1msaok7g4lasudgagl8krdc@4ax.com...

alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspira
cy,sci.astro.amateur

The fact that Min ended up with my IP address is not a big deal. I
didn't think it was possible to do on a newsgroup. The only way it
can happen is if the person supervises or administrates a certain
newgroup. Min administrates one of the above NG's with their own
server.

Hmm, properties/details/message source
Using Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 trialware
IP ADDRESS?
137.186.195.10
http://www.arin.net/whois/
OrgName: TELUS Communications Inc.
OrgID: TACE
Address: #2600 4720 Kingsway Avenue
City: Burnaby
StateProv: BC
PostalCode: V5N-4N2
Country: CA
ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.telus.net:4321
NetRange: 137.186.0.0 - 137.186.255.255
CIDR: 137.186.0.0/16
NetName: TELUS-137-186-0-0
NetHandle: NET-137-186-0-0-1
Parent: NET-137-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: PRI1.DNS.CA.TELUS.COM
NameServer: PRI2.DNS.CA.TELUS.COM
Comment:
RegDate:
Updated: 2002-05-24
TechHandle: PSINET-CA-ARIN
TechName: TELUS Communications Inc.
TechPhone: +1-613-780-2200
TechEmail:

.......etc
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User: "Mark F."
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 12:47:13 PM

***** HIM!!
When the revolution comes that FUCKER is going to be the first to the wall!!
"Thom Michaels" <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:plbg70dhbgn1msaok7g4lasudgagl8krdc@4ax.com...

alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspira
cy,sci.astro.amateur

User: "Howie Glatter"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 06:37:05 PM

"Mark F." wrote :

When the revolution comes that FUCKER is going to be the first to the wall!!

Why wait ?

H.
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User: "Rudi"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 07:52:56 PM

On 10 Apr 2004 16:37:05 -0700,

(Howie
Glatter) wrote:

"Mark F." wrote :

When the revolution comes that FUCKER is going to be the first to the wall!!

Why wait ?

H.

LOL! :-)
Regards,
Rudi
http://www.rudiphoto.net/
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User: "Wyatt Earp"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 01:55:12 PM

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All you conspiracy-theorists can rest easy. There's
no conspiracy, only abject stupidity and ineptitude.
Take this canadian "rocket scientist" for example...
"Thom Michaels" <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:
^^

*Min's Notes On The Cowardice & Abject Incompetence Of Modern-Day Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4PF6A0OZ38082.9096875@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's $0.00 (zero cents, was cash $10,000 U.S.) Reward For Orthodox Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZZ5B1I2037855.1969907407@Gilgamesh-frog.org
CLEAR SKIES! (BRAWHH...HA HA HA HA!)
^^^^^ ^^^^^
Daniel Joseph Min
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User: "Thom Michaels"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 10:37:08 PM

On 10 Apr 2004 18:55:12 -0000, Wyatt Earp
<frontier.lawman@dodge.city.kansas> wrote:

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All you conspiracy-theorists can rest easy. There's
no conspiracy, only abject stupidity and ineptitude.
Take this canadian "rocket scientist" for example...

The fact is you are the one who hides with all your PGP and remailer
*****. You must be one sorry *****.
.

User: "Dr.Min"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 11:06:54 PM

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*Min's Notes On The Cowardice & Abject Incompetence Of Modern-Day Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4PF6A0OZ38082.9096875@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's $0.00 (zero cents, was cash $10,000 U.S.) Reward For Orthodox Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZZ5B1I2037855.1969907407@Gilgamesh-frog.org
EVERY NOW AND THEN I like to add public service messages
to my ever-burgeoning arsenal of knowledge and awareness
enhancement contributions to these fine, uncensored news-
groups. Topics include the hoaxed apollo "moon" landings,
the lies and disinformation disseminated by the orthodox
in secular science/fundamentalist religious brainwashing,
and a number of "how-to" articles that outline solutions
to everyday problems, like keeping trolls away from your
newsreaders and email clients, and maintaining anonymity
in an unsavory world of emotionally disturbed sexual pre-
ditors, internet stalkers, and would-be identity thieves.

Unmoderated usenet newsgroups are the defacto publishing
medium for posting original works, and forwarding quoted
material, since all articles are permanently archived on
the "google" news archives or what used to be called the
"deja news" archives. By systematically organizing works
into types of articles, and into chapters of whole books
if you're a prolific writer and author, you can preserve
your work and link to it from the "google" server or any
other website of your choosing. The obvious advantage of
using the worldwide news archives presently on google is
that it will always be on-line & available in the future,
whereas most all other websites will eventually be taken
down. Posting to the google archives is always free, and
unlimited as to available disk space, so you can write &
post megabytes of text on a daily basis if that's needed
to completely publish your original work on-line. I have
no need or desire to sell my work, so everything I write
I write for fun and always for free, and always into the
public domain. By using chained PGP & Mixmaster remailer
technologies to sign and encrypt your messages, avoiding
ISP attacks from would-be net cops, censors, whiners and
other childish complainers, this enables the independent
author to publish his or her work freely and without any
disruption. Your work remains published on-line, and any-
one on the planet with an internet connection can access
and download your work anytime they like. Include a link
in your email messages and invite friends and associates
to download your books or articles using any web browser,
add bookmarks or links to other websites, or print pages
out to get a hard copy of your work. The sky's the limit.
You can see clear examples of how this works by browsing
my archived books and articles simply by following links
under my signature below. Anytime I want to update these
links it's easy, quick and permanent. I just write, edit
and post my newest material. Then update your links that
you include with your messages & voilla! Now you're free
to write a brand-new book or article, and publish it for
all the world to read--free, uncensored and uninterupted.
Those who write what may be considered by the mainstream
to be controversial or "forbidden" material like exposes
on cover-ups, disinformation, and other misleading propa-
ganda of any government, business, science, religion, or
whatever catches your attention, write about it and post
your work freely and without interuption. Naturally, the
independent author must write responsibly, carefully and
accurately. Avoid unsubstantiated rumor or slander. Your
first responsibility is to the global Internet community.
Furthermore, facts and theories reasonably substantiated
are likely to attract certain interests. You may want to
be a "whistleblower" in which case you'd do well to docu-
ment your grievances to the proper authorities privately,
before going public with your claims. Exposing criminals
can have serious or even dire consequences if you're not
careful. On rare occasion, some whistleblowers have been
so fearful of the extent of a big cover-up, that they go
public first with their story in order to draw attention,
just in case anything resembling an "accident", "suicide"
or "heart attack" should unexpectedly befall them. Since
most independent authors are just writing about subjects
that interest them, we needn't worry about such flagrant
repercussions. Rather, this is where the common "trolls"
come into the picture whose role is to disrupt, distract
and disinform potential readers in any unmoderated group
to which you're posting or x-posting your material. This
is done in an effort to discourage new visitors from sub-
scribing to the newsgroup, since it is uncensored by the
government, corporations, and their mainstream hierarchy.
To counter their constant and oft-vulgar disruptions, we
use "killfiles" or more sophisticated filtering software
to minimize such interuptions. For example I require any-
one sending me email messages to use a password which is
known only to myself & my closest friends and associates.
Any message not containing the proper password is always
automatically deleted from my email server--before it is
downloaded. That way I never get any spam messages, ever.
I do keep a log that shows how many messages are deleted
from my various news- and email-servers, and I find that
about 99.9% of all messages are spam or newsgroup trolls
whose futile attempts to clutter my news & email browser
with their poppycock goes unseen & deleted...making it a
lot easier to read legitimate articles and email. Thus I
can concentrate on my work and entirely avoid disruption.
For most computer users, using common software like "Out-
look Express" to read news or email messages is adequate
to "killfile" at least 75% of such spammers and trollers,
by creating rules for the messages, or simply blocking a
sender. More sophisticated programs provide more options.
I use three different freeware programs as layers of pro-
tection against undesirable spamming and trolling. These
are called Nfilter (NewsProxy), Xnews, and Hamster. Book-
mark these weblinks and download these freeware programs:
http://www.nfilter.org
http://xnews.newsguy.com
http://home.arcor.de/tgl70/misc/hamster_en.htm
Now, Nfilter and Xnews are relatively simple to learn to
use for experienced computer users. Hamster, however, is
somewhat more difficult to learn, but is worth it, since
it allows for message-body context-sensitive rules which
come in handy for the more "generic" or "copycat" trolls,
especially the "stalkers" who are assigned to your posts.
I picked up a stalker in alt.astrology several years ago
who's replied to about every one of my articles with the
same, always unsigned collected buffoonery bogusness ten-
thousand times over, usually using the old "x-no-archive"
header to prevent it from appearing in "google" searches.
You'd think that "stalkers" would be a bit more creative?
Again, Hamster enables anyone to filter out such garbage.
There was a time when I posted my Xnews "score.ini" file,
mainly for the benefit of first-time visitors to some of
my favorite newsgroups dealing with astronomy, astrology,
mythology, tarot, nostradamus, & other scientific groups.
Years of experience taught me to keep my scoring methods
unpublished, since trolls try to get around your filters
since it's their job to try to discourage you and others
who are seriously interested in the group subject matter
from posting topical, but "forbidden" papers or books on
the subject. Generally, but not always, it's "debunkers"
and "whiners" who are the most active trolls on the news-
groups since they want to discourage substantive writing,
reading and dialogue from being posted to unmoderated or
uncensored newsgroups--since "moderators" are usually in-
competent, and they'll bypass anything they don't unders-
tand or agree with, especially if it makes them look bad,
so I make a habit of avoiding any "moderated" newsgroups.
In summary, using the newsgroups to publish your writing
is the surest and easiest way to get your work out there
in the public eye, especially if what you write about is
considered particularly controversial or "forbidden" for
mainstream viewing. Effective filtering against spam and
trolling makes your online experience far more enjoyable,
efficient and will help you stay focused on your writing.
GOOGLE
Now it's also very useful to learn how to search for
archived news articles on the "google" search engine.
The following text is a facsmile of this web page on:
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search
_________________________________________________________________________
Google Groups Help | All About Google
Groups Advanced Groups Search
with all of the words |_______________| |10 messages|
Find
messages with the exact phrase |_______________| |Sort by relevance|
with at least one of the words |_________|
without the words |_______________|

Newsgroup Return only messages from the newsgroup |_______________|
(Example: ...)
Subject Return only messages where the subject contains |________|
Author Return only messages where the author is |_______________|
Message ID Find the message with message ID |_______________|
(Example: ...)
Language Return messages written in |any language |v|

Message { } Return messages posted: |anytime|
{x} Return messages posted between |12|May|1981| and |1|Jan|2005|

SafeSearch { } No filtering {x} Filter using SafeSearch

(c) 2004 Google
_________________________________________________________________________
First, "Filter using SafeSearch" is always activated.
This instantly filters out 99% of all troll messages
since most of them always use inappropriate language.
By using combinations of these search parameters, it
doesn't take much to narrow down your search results
while filtering out unwanted "troll" messages in any
message thread. For example, my own posts are always
signed by me using PGP, and I always post to certain
newsgroups like alt.astrology. By using "without the
words" judiciously e.g. common troll-insults and the
like, I can quickly winnow out the chaff, and return
only messages that I myself have posted. Since every
experienced author tends to use certain phrases that
others seldom if ever use, like names and signatures,
and you search only your usual newsgroup(s), you can
then add keywords to isolate only those messages you
are looking for, regardless of what names you posted
under in the "from" field. Since remailer servers go
down from time to time, and many of them use various
aliases which the user can't customize, and I've had
many trolls who simply copied my name and email addy
and routinely trolled my articles, I discovered that
only by using PGP to clearsign every one of my posts
was I able to emphatically identify and authenticate
my autograph manuscripts--and thwart any attempts at
counterfeiting or forging my signature. That's why I
recommend always using PGP, just like every remailer
operator says you should always use PGP to sign your
posts, thereby assuring your readers that it's yours
and not some bogus forgery. Since trolls misquote or
fabricate "quotes" and wrongly attribute them to any-
one whose character they're trying to assassinate it
behooves the serious author to PGP-sign all articles.
Otherwise, anyone can "quote" you without verifiable
sources. PGP protects your reputation against attack
and readily exposes unscrupulous attackers as trolls.
Thus every one of my posts is always PGP-clearsigned,
that way I retain credit for everything I've written,
and I cannot be credited for anything I didn't write.
You can search the google news archives for anything
about any subject and usually find it with thousands
of active discussion groups online. I've often found
obscure information on these newsgroup archives that
don't otherwise appear on the usual website searches,
since news articles are more often based on personal
experience which is commonly more specific than most
websites are likely to be in detailing an experience,
and showing replies from others of similar expertise
in the matter. E.g. you can search the web for pages
of "judicial astrology" and get thousands of hits on
the subject few if any of which are genuinely useful,
since it is an extraordinarily obscure subject which
only a select few people in the world understand, or
have practical experience with. But search it on the
newsgroups, and you're more apt to find helpful data
on the subject. I know this since that's in my field
of expertise. The point is whatever you're searching
for on the web, try searching newsgroups for it also.
Odds are, you'll find more useful data on newsgroups,
especially if what you are searching for is uncommon.
If you're a serious writer, lurkers are your biggest
audience. There are numerous reasons for subscribers
to avoid posting or responding to newsgroup articles
that they are otherwise reading. Now that Google has
made it so easy to search for information on the net,
it may be just some small part of what you've posted
that gains someone's attention. Others may find your
subject matter or writing style of interest. Perhaps
your expertise in a particular subject is recognized
by a select few, yet unbeknown to the general public.
Oftentimes, writers of all walks of life are seeking
inspiration, a catchy phrase or two, memorable words,
a one-liner that some screenwriter or novelist finds
appealing when they get a bad case of writer's block.
You can be certain that friendly government agencies
are archiving every single bit of data in triplicate,
albeit whether or not any of your stuff gets noticed
is doubtful--unless you're some kind of threat to na-
tional security? Like terrorists or their supporters
who're likely already under much closer surveillance
than they suspect or realize. Otherwise, it'll be up
to some civilian lurkers out there for you to get no-
ticed. So it's up to you to notice when you're being
noticed. Or if you don't possess such a subtle sense
for pattern recognition, then be content that it can
and does happen...you may even notice it on occasion.
Above all don't be discouraged if you're not getting
the intelligent responses that your work deserves by
the usual newsgroup channels. While newsgroups are a
great place to publish your work, they are the least
likely place to find intellectually-motivated respon-
ses. Almost all respondents are trolls and debunkers,
fodder for the killfile, not for engaging in replies.
If you have any problem with self-confidence, if you
are easily dissuaded by would-be "debunkers" and the
like, just post your work and be done with it. Don't
even bother reading replies, since odds are that you
wouldn't find them constructive or useful regardless.
Because I've written & posted so much material these
past few years, I've been encouraged by reading some
intelligent replies to my work on the newsgroups and
that's why I've opted to use kill-filters. So that I
can continue to read such replies without disruption,
and I can find other interesting articles written or
forwarded by others which are occasionally worth the
read--even saving some articles for future reference.
Those who write and post, or simply forward original
material are far more likely to be intellectual than
the usual trolls and their entourage of sock puppets
who seldom if ever write and share anything of value.
If you're subscribed to a busy newsgroup, then you'd
do well to use kill-filters and use them judiciously.
Trolls, whiners, complainers, debunkers or what have
you. Unless they're serious contributors to the news-
groups, killfile 'em every chance you get. Otherwise
you'll spend most of your time sifting through trash
like some crazed dumpster-diving derelict. Nuff said.
*Min's Notes On The Cowardice Of Modern-Day Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4PF6A0OZ38082.9096875@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's $0.00 (zero cents, was cash $10,000 U.S.) Reward For Orthodox Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZZ5B1I2037855.1969907407@Gilgamesh-frog.org
Very Truly Yours,
Daniel Joseph Min
________________________________________________

LINKS TO FINE ON-LINE BOOKS BY DANIEL JOSEPH MIN
________________________________________________
*Min's Interlinear Apocalypse & Concise Commentary (Min's fifth book):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7ZS24JEL38080.1313541667@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Planetary Awareness Technique (Min's fourth book):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OYJC9TOU37947.1559259259@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Light & Sound (Min's third book):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HIDW4JQJ37765.6015509259@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Compleat Tarot Manual (Min's second book):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=DYR1OZ3237765.6052777778@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Historical Calendar Of Jesus (Min's first book):
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=26e3a5d035bdf01fc61d36884deac0e4@cryptorebels.net
*Min's Astro-Charts & Tarot Pages:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=BQ5ORF1937773.2172569444@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Beginner's Reference & FAQs:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=24WXVJ4W37773.6967939815@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Nostradamus Interlinear Translations:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=HFLYJA8S37766.7990856481@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Horoscopes & Souljourns of World-Famous Persons:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OJUCPCWU37947.1949421296@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Horoscopes & Souljourns of Unknowns & Anonymous:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1IUBR0YD37947.1949305556@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Official PGP Public Key on the MIT server:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3XWB7QJO37766.971099537@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Newsgroup-Archived Home Page On The World Wide Web:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5YTK57VH37948.6355092593@Gilgamesh-frog.org
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User: "Dr.Min"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 11:47:46 PM

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Is it?
baalke@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov
T Michaels
3 1160th Richardson
Victoria, BC V8V 3C8
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User: "Thom Michaels"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	11 Apr 2004 11:26:38 AM

On 11 Apr 2004 04:47:46 -0000, Dr.Min <dr.min@ivdicial.astrologve.edv>
wrote:

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Is it?

baalke@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov

T Michaels
3 1160th Richardson
Victoria, BC V8V 3C8

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The fact is you are the one who hides with all your PGP and remailer
*****. You must be one sorry *****.
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User: "Dr.Min"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 11:17:09 PM

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Let's see:
T Michaels
3 1160th Richardson
Victoria, BC V8V 3C8
T Michaels
Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2X5
T Michaels
308 4724th Uplands
Nanaimo, BC V9T 4S9
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User: "Dr.Min"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 11:42:34 PM

T Michaels
3 1160th Richardson
Victoria, BC V8V 3C8
.

User: "Daniel Eig"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	13 Apr 2004 02:57:41 PM

Dr.Min <dr.min@ivdicial.astrologve.edv> wrote in message news:<44PBSDW138088.2795601852@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>...

T Michaels
3 1160th Richardson
Victoria, BC V8V 3C8

I've never understood... what exactly does posting a physical address
on the web supposed to do? Make the target quiver in fear? Are angry
masses going to come to Mr Michaels door now?
Or is this some sort of invitation for him to find your mailing
address, and post it?
Sincerest Regards,
Daniel Eig
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User: "Michaels Thomboy"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	13 Apr 2004 03:22:55 PM

On 13 Apr 2004 12:57:41 -0700,

(Daniel Eig) wrote:

Dr.Min <dr.min@ivdicial.astrologve.edv> wrote in message news:<44PBSDW138088.2795601852@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>...

T Michaels
3 1160th Richardson
Victoria, BC V8V 3C8

I've never understood... what exactly does posting a physical address
on the web supposed to do? Make the target quiver in fear? Are angry
masses going to come to Mr Michaels door now?

Or is this some sort of invitation for him to find your mailing
address, and post it?

Sincerest Regards,
Daniel Eig

What is really asenine is the fact that people actually think I use my
real name here. especially mad man Min.
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User: ""
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 01:01:37 PM

In alt.gossip.celebrities Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Why are you attempting to make technical conclusions in area where you have
no expertise?
(That's a polite way of saying: You have no clue what you are talking about).
--
..............................................................................
If I can't have an hourglass figure, I'm going to be a well-muscled
stopwatch.
..............................................................................
dswan@m3m3t1ccand1ru.com http://www.memeticcandiru.com
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User: "Thom Michaels"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 01:45:38 PM

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:01:37 GMT,
karm1c_van17y@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:

In alt.gossip.celebrities Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Why are you attempting to make technical conclusions in area where you have
no expertise?

because I inquired with tech support with my ISP and that is what they
told me.
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User: "Steve Sullivan"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 04:52:35 PM

In article <28gg70pmid47pg52ub12hiu3cm4f8304gi@4ax.com>,
Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:01:37 GMT,
karm1c_van17y@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:

In alt.gossip.celebrities Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Why are you attempting to make technical conclusions in area where you have
no expertise?

because I inquired with tech support with my ISP and that is what they
told me.

What is the name of the person you talked to? What is their email
address. That person should either be fired, or you should get a new
isp.
This thread is the first thread I have read of yours, so I will assume
that some other person used the same ip address as you, which in this
case is 137.186.195.10 and not used the same email address (mailme@yahoo.com)
Ip addresses are very expensive. If you want your own you would have to
pay extra. I am assuming you have a dynamic ip address, otherwise
someone else couldnt really have your ip address. NOT POSSIBLE.
Routing would not work if two people could have the same ip address at
the same time.
So what this leaves is that you have a dynamic ip address, and both of
you use the same isp, telus communications, located in Burnaby BC,
right? Your isp has a fixed number of ip's. People arent online 24
hours a day, so if they are using ip's they will have fewer ip's than
customers, and fewer dialup modems than people (assuming you are using a
modem). So every time you reconnect, you will get a new ip address. Of
course it is possible that you will get the same modem as the previous
time, and get the same ip address. So if you are on monday morning,
logoff, and then someone else gets the same modem you were on, they will
get the same ip address that you had.
I am seriously thinking of emailing

and asking them if they really gave you the answer you say they gave
you and telling them they are morons if they did.
.

User: "jerry warner"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	11 Apr 2004 11:35:19 PM

tech support at your IP!? Min must be laughing his tuchus off... or more likely
never knows and doesnt care one way or the other. Min operates out a remailer
in Amsterdam. The remailer is operated by one Simone Merli. Youc an do a
Google search and find that much out! Tech at isp? Schmeck at psi!
Jerry
Thom Michaels wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:01:37 GMT,
karm1c_van17y@salmahayeksknockers.edu wrote:

In alt.gossip.celebrities Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Why are you attempting to make technical conclusions in area where you have
no expertise?

because I inquired with tech support with my ISP and that is what they
told me.

User: "Steve Sullivan"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 04:32:34 PM

In article <plbg70dhbgn1msaok7g4lasudgagl8krdc@4ax.com>,
Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspiracy
,sci.astro.amateur

The fact that Min ended up with my IP address is not a big deal. I
didn't think it was possible to do on a newsgroup. The only way it
can happen is if the person supervises or administrates a certain
newgroup. Min administrates one of the above NG's with their own
server.

I think you are full of it. Do you really want to know how people end
up with the same ip address? Take a isp, say they have 1000 customers,
and say 100 modems. They would also have 100 ip addresses. You get a
new ip address every time you connect depending on what modem you get.
Lets say on tuesday morning you get the 33rd modem, tuesday night you
get the 50th modem, then wednesday morning Min gets the 33rd modem. Min
would have the same ip address as you had tuesday morning.
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 05:55:09 PM

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:32:34 GMT, Steve Sullivan <none@none.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<none-B1A8AA.14332110042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <plbg70dhbgn1msaok7g4lasudgagl8krdc@4ax.com>,
Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspiracy
,sci.astro.amateur

The fact that Min ended up with my IP address is not a big deal. I
didn't think it was possible to do on a newsgroup. The only way it
can happen is if the person supervises or administrates a certain
newgroup. Min administrates one of the above NG's with their own
server.

That is true for dial-up but not for cable.
.

User: "Kilolani"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	11 Apr 2004 09:34:43 PM

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:kdug70954v2en5qtdjdv28pb93rpqjubrc@4ax.com...

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:32:34 GMT, Steve Sullivan <none@none.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<none-B1A8AA.14332110042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <plbg70dhbgn1msaok7g4lasudgagl8krdc@4ax.com>,
Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspira
cy

,sci.astro.amateur

The fact that Min ended up with my IP address is not a big deal. I
didn't think it was possible to do on a newsgroup. The only way it
can happen is if the person supervises or administrates a certain
newgroup. Min administrates one of the above NG's with their own
server.

That is true for dial-up but not for cable.

No, it's also true for cable. My (and most other) cable ISP provides only
dynamic IP addresses unless I pay an extra $15 per month.
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	11 Apr 2004 10:11:46 PM

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 02:34:43 GMT, "Kilolani"
<stargazer@ATkilolaniDOT.net> in alt.abortion with message-id
<7fnec.6335$A_4.5313@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:

"Attila" <prochoice@here.now> wrote in message
news:kdug70954v2en5qtdjdv28pb93rpqjubrc@4ax.com...

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:32:34 GMT, Steve Sullivan <none@none.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<none-B1A8AA.14332110042004@news.sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

In article <plbg70dhbgn1msaok7g4lasudgagl8krdc@4ax.com>,
Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspira
cy

That is true for dial-up but not for cable.

No, it's also true for cable. My (and most other) cable ISP provides only
dynamic IP addresses unless I pay an extra $15 per month.

I was under the impression that my address was static, but I could be
wrong. My header does not show this information and haven't paid that
much attention to it.
.

User: "guid0"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 01:11:10 PM

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:31:20 GMT, Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspiracy,sci.astro.amateur

The fact that Min ended up with my IP address is not a big deal. I
didn't think it was possible to do on a newsgroup. The only way it
can happen is if the person supervises or administrates a certain
newgroup. Min administrates one of the above NG's with their own
server.

Actually, your IP is visible to all in the expanded headers when you
post on usenet.
G../0
.

User: "Thom Michaels"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 01:43:58 PM

Actually, your IP is visible to all in the expanded headers when you
post on usenet.

G../0

How does one expand a header? I see no IP addresses when I read a
post.
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 05:50:42 PM

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:43:58 GMT, Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<53gg70934vsg8bg7fagum1b9c5bumc9o33@4ax.com> wrote:

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From: Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.conspiracy,sci.astro.amateur
Subject: Re: tracing IP addresses
Message-ID: <53gg70934vsg8bg7fagum1b9c5bumc9o33@4ax.com>
References: <plbg70dhbgn1msaok7g4lasudgagl8krdc@4ax.com> <g4eg70lq0qh7kklofqjal470dberpatj72@4ax.com>
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 trialware
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 13
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:43:58 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.195.10
X-Trace: edtnps89 1081622638 137.186.195.10 (Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:43:58 MDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:43:58 MDT
Xref: usenetserver.com alt.abortion:619199 alt.politics.usa.republican:1600670 alt.gossip.celebrities:1182225 alt.conspiracy:706918 sci.astro.amateur:991990
X-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:43:58 EDT (text02)

Actually, your IP is visible to all in the expanded headers when you
post on usenet.

G../0

How does one expand a header? I see no IP addresses when I read a
post.

Above is your expanded header.
.

User: "Adam H."
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 05:57:09 PM

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:50:42 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:43:58 GMT, Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<53gg70934vsg8bg7fagum1b9c5bumc9o33@4ax.com> wrote:

Actually, your IP is visible to all in the expanded headers when you
post on usenet.

G../0

How does one expand a header? I see no IP addresses when I read a
post.

Above is your expanded header.

(piggyback) Pressing 'H' while viewing a message in Agent will show
you all the NNTP headers at the top.
---
Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to
evade the need to think and evaluate evidence.
Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of,
the lack of evidence.
- Richard Dawkins
.

User: "Chris L Peterson"
Title: Re: tracing IP addresses	10 Apr 2004 01:58:34 PM

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:43:58 GMT, Thom Michaels <mailme@yahoo.ca> wrote:

How does one expand a header? I see no IP addresses when I read a
post.

Since you're using Agent (also in the header <g>) just right click the message
and select "Show All Header Fields".
_________________________________________________
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com
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