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"Xomicron" |
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07 May 2004 12:51:39 PM |
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Universal Health Care? |
If you ask most people about the cost of medical care, they may tell you
how much they have to pay per visit to their doctor's office or the monthly
bill for their prescription drugs. But these are not the costs of medical
care. These are the prices paid.
The difference between prices and costs is not just a fine distinction made
by economists. Prices are what pay for costs -- and if they do not pay
enough to cover the costs, then centuries of history in countries around
the world show that the supply is going to decline in quantity or quality,
or both. In the case of medical care, the supply is a matter of life and
death.
The average medical student graduates with a debt of more than $100,000.
The cost per doctor of running an office is more than $100 an hour. The
average cost of developing a new pharmaceutical drug is $800 million. These
are among the costs of medical care.
When politicians talk about "bringing down the cost of medical care," they
are not talking about reducing any of these costs by one cent. They are
talking about forcing prices down through one scheme or another.
All the existing efforts to control the rising expenses of medical care --
whether by government, insurance companies, or health maintenance
organizations -- are about holding down the amount of money they have to
pay out, not about reducing any of the real costs.
Many of the same politicians who are gung ho for imposing price controls on
prescription drugs, or for importing Canadian price controls by importing
American medicines from Canada, have not the slightest interest in stopping
frivolous lawsuits against doctors, hospitals, or drug companies -- which
are huge costs.
Price control zealots likewise seldom have any interest in reducing the
amount of federal requirements for getting a drug approved for sale to the
public -- a process that can easily drag on for a decade or more, costing
millions of dollars, and also costing the lives of those who die while
waiting for the drug to be approved by bureaucrats at the Food and Drug
Administration.
For political purposes, what "bringing down the cost of medical care" means
is some quick fix that will win votes at the next election, regardless of
what the repercussions are thereafter.
What are those repercussions?
If the bureaucratic hassles that doctors have to go through make their huge
investment in time and money going to medical school not seem worthwhile,
some can retire early and some can take jobs no longer involving treating
patients. Either way, the supply of medical care can begin to decline, even
in the short run.
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a good
investment to many in the younger generation. Britain, which has had
government-run medical care for more than half a century, has to import
doctors from the Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
So long as there are warm bodies with "M.D." after their names, there is no
decline in supply, as far as politicians are concerned. Only the patients
will find out, the hard way, what declining quality means.
No law passed by more than 500 members of Congress is going to be simple or
even consistent. There are already 125,000 pages of Medicare regulations.
"Universal health care" can only mean more.
I saw a vivid example of what bureaucratic medical care meant back in 1959,
when I had a summer job at the headquarters of the U.S. Public Health
Service in Washington. Around 5 o'clock one afternoon, a man had a heart
attack on the street near our office.
He was taken to the nurse's room and asked if he was a federal employee. If
he was, he could be sent to the large, modern medical facility there in the
Public Health Service headquarters. But he was not a government employee,
so an ambulance was summoned from a local hospital.
By the time this ambulance made its way through miles of downtown
Washington rush-hour traffic, the man was dead. He died waiting for a
doctor, in a building full of doctors. That is what bureaucracy means.
Making a government-run medical care system mandatory -- "universal" is the
pretty word for mandatory -- means that we will all have no choice but to
be caught up in that bureaucratic maze.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040504.shtml
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
07 May 2004 03:16:11 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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If you ask most people about the cost of medical care, they may tell you
how much they have to pay per visit to their doctor's office or the
monthly
bill for their prescription drugs. But these are not the costs of medical
care. These are the prices paid.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20040504.shtml
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Congratulations, Snupid. You've somehow managed to hit a new low.
You've made your trolling 'career' by offering up bigotry and racist
tirades, and now you're cribbing Thomas Sowell's work?
What a moron.
LC~ Snupid better start doing background checks on his sources in the
future.
"Everyone knows that black people can't even read, much less use a
computer." ~Snupid, AKA Xomiphobe, in Message-ID:
Xns94C8B03219F5xomicron@0.0.0.3
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| User: "Goodness Godless" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
07 May 2004 04:56:02 PM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a good
investment to many in the younger generation. Britain, which has had
government-run medical care for more than half a century, has to import
doctors from the Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
As they say.
Go to the USA, sure, but don't be poor and don't be sick.
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Goodness Godless
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
07 May 2004 10:58:57 PM |
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"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a good
investment to many in the younger generation. Britain, which has had
government-run medical care for more than half a century, has to import
doctors from the Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great health
care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 12:00:58 AM |
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In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a good
investment to many in the younger generation. Britain, which has had
government-run medical care for more than half a century, has to import
doctors from the Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great health
care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care. Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of a $10
(5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 08:20:49 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in
news:070520042200582127%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a good
investment to many in the younger generation. Britain, which has had
government-run medical care for more than half a century, has to
import doctors from the Third World, where medical school standards
are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great health
care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care.
It is illegal to deny health care to those who have their life at risk, so
you are lying.
Liberals have tried to do something about that, these "pro-life"
conservatives prefer they continue to die rather than spend the money.
Most people would rather be able to get treated right away than wade
months through red tape just to see a doctor.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of a $10
(5.6 GBP) flu shot.
Then they are stupid, since there are many places where one can obtain a
flu shot for free.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 10:04:38 AM |
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In article <R85nc.37880$kc2.563062@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in
news:070520042200582127%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a good
investment to many in the younger generation. Britain, which has had
government-run medical care for more than half a century, has to
import doctors from the Third World, where medical school standards
are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great health
care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care.
It is illegal to deny health care to those who have their life at risk, so
you are lying.
Why are you such a moron? I am talking about people dying from
disease, not a car accident.
Liberals have tried to do something about that, these "pro-life"
conservatives prefer they continue to die rather than spend the money.
Most people would rather be able to get treated right away than wade
months through red tape just to see a doctor.
What does that have to do with anything? Nearly half the country can't
afford to get health care.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of a $10
(5.6 GBP) flu shot.
Then they are stupid, since there are many places where one can obtain a
flu shot for free.
Why not at least be honest and admit you don't really give a damn?
(Kind of like with the children.)
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 07:54:59 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a good
investment to many in the younger generation. Britain, which has
had government-run medical care for more than half a century, has
to import doctors from the Third World, where medical school
standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great
health care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of a
$10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for anyone that
comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly and/or can't make the
trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu shots only reduce your risk catching
the flu, it doesn't eliminate the risk.
--
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Steven Wright
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 10:04:37 AM |
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In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a good
investment to many in the younger generation. Britain, which has
had government-run medical care for more than half a century, has
to import doctors from the Third World, where medical school
standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great
health care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of a
$10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for anyone that
comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly and/or can't make the
trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu shots only reduce your risk catching
the flu, it doesn't eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society. Pro-lifers
claim to care about "life." We look the other way on health care
because we want to save tax money.
--
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Steven Wright
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 12:13:49 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a
good investment to many in the younger generation. Britain,
which has had government-run medical care for more than half a
century, has to import doctors from the Third World, where
medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great
health care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if they are
dying in the streets?
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of a
$10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for anyone
that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly and/or
can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu shots only
reduce your risk catching the flu, it doesn't eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society. Pro-lifers
claim to care about "life." We look the other way on health care
because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in your community,
I would suggest doing something about it. Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding for flu
vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or state level for such
funding, do what you can to eleviate the problem.
--
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Steven Wright
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 01:02:46 PM |
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In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a
good investment to many in the younger generation. Britain,
which has had government-run medical care for more than half a
century, has to import doctors from the Third World, where
medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance Companies
coming over here to turn our system into the Third World,
'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great
health care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if they are
dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of a
$10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for anyone
that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly and/or
can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu shots only
reduce your risk catching the flu, it doesn't eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society. Pro-lifers
claim to care about "life." We look the other way on health care
because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in your community,
I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding for flu
vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or state level for such
funding, do what you can to eleviate the problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point. People
don't care.
--
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Steven Wright
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 01:38:52 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a
good investment to many in the younger generation. Britain,
which has had government-run medical care for more than half a
century, has to import doctors from the Third World, where
medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the Third
World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great
health care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if
they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you serious?
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of
a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for anyone
that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly and/or
can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu shots only
reduce your risk catching the flu, it doesn't eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society. Pro-lifers
claim to care about "life." We look the other way on health care
because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in your
community, I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
There doesn't seem to be anyone starving in the streets, or going without
flu shots in my neck of the woods. Apparently, it isn't the entire country.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding for flu
vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or state level for
such funding, do what you can to eleviate the problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point. People
don't care.
Then go out and make them care. Don't expect the taxpayer to solve all of
your problems.
--
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Steven Wright
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 03:11:28 PM |
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In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such a
good investment to many in the younger generation. Britain,
which has had government-run medical care for more than half a
century, has to import doctors from the Third World, where
medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the Third
World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have great
health care. You're listening to too much left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in the
streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if
they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you serious?
Just as serious as you are.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want of
a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for anyone
that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly and/or
can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu shots only
reduce your risk catching the flu, it doesn't eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society. Pro-lifers
claim to care about "life." We look the other way on health care
because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in your
community, I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
There doesn't seem to be anyone starving in the streets, or going without
flu shots in my neck of the woods. Apparently, it isn't the entire country.
You are kidding yourself.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding for flu
vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or state level for
such funding, do what you can to eleviate the problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point. People
don't care.
Then go out and make them care. Don't expect the taxpayer to solve all of
your problems.
I don't have a problem. I have insurance.
--
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.
Steven Wright
.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 03:48:13 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such
a good investment to many in the younger generation. Britain,
which has had government-run medical care for more than half
a century, has to import doctors from the Third World, where
medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the Third
World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in
the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if
they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to discuss the
issue, then support your assertions.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want
of a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for
anyone that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly
and/or can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu
shots only reduce your risk catching the flu, it doesn't
eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society. Pro-lifers
claim to care about "life." We look the other way on health care
because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in your
community, I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
There doesn't seem to be anyone starving in the streets, or going
without flu shots in my neck of the woods. Apparently, it isn't the
entire country.
You are kidding yourself.
Not in any way.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding for
flu vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or state
level for such funding, do what you can to eleviate the problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point. People
don't care.
Then go out and make them care. Don't expect the taxpayer to solve
all of your problems.
I don't have a problem. I have insurance.
I see, so you don't have a problem, so you are unwilling to work to help
those that do have a problem, so you'd rather have the government force the
money from other people's wallets to solve the problems you are unwilling to
work to gain a solution for, is that correct, or do I mistate?
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 03:57:03 PM |
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|
In article <hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such
a good investment to many in the younger generation. Britain,
which has had government-run medical care for more than half
a century, has to import doctors from the Third World, where
medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the Third
World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in
the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if
they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to discuss the
issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets from
malnutrition and treatable health problems.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer they
continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want
of a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for
anyone that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly
and/or can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu
shots only reduce your risk catching the flu, it doesn't
eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society. Pro-lifers
claim to care about "life." We look the other way on health care
because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in your
community, I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
There doesn't seem to be anyone starving in the streets, or going
without flu shots in my neck of the woods. Apparently, it isn't the
entire country.
You are kidding yourself.
Not in any way.
If you are kidding yourself, you won't know that.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding for
flu vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or state
level for such funding, do what you can to eleviate the problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point. People
don't care.
Then go out and make them care. Don't expect the taxpayer to solve
all of your problems.
I don't have a problem. I have insurance.
I see, so you don't have a problem, so you are unwilling to work to help
those that do have a problem, so you'd rather have the government force the
money from other people's wallets to solve the problems you are unwilling to
work to gain a solution for, is that correct, or do I mistate?
You misstate. I, personally, can't help the problem. It is bigger
than that. We, as a country, need to address the issue. And the money
wouldn't be "forced from people's wallets." Taxes are, with some
exceptions, relative.
.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 05:12:22 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in
news:080520041357039928%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com:
In article <hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such
a good investment to many in the younger generation.
Britain, which has had government-run medical care for more
than half a century, has to import doctors from the Third
World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the Third
World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in
the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if
they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to discuss
the issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets from
malnutrition and treatable health problems.
Who are these people? When has anyone died from malnutrition in the United
States?
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
|
| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 06:17:32 PM |
|
|
In article <aXcnc.38078$kc2.566570@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in
news:080520041357039928%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com:
In article <hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like such
a good investment to many in the younger generation.
Britain, which has had government-run medical care for more
than half a century, has to import doctors from the Third
World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the Third
World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in
the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if
they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to discuss
the issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets from
malnutrition and treatable health problems.
Who are these people? When has anyone died from malnutrition in the United
States?
You are either joking or you live with rose colored glasses.
.
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| User: "Xomicron" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
09 May 2004 08:59:34 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in
news:080520041617325643%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com:
In article <aXcnc.38078$kc2.566570@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in
news:080520041357039928%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com:
In article <hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like
such a good investment to many in the younger generation.
Britain, which has had government-run medical care for
more than half a century, has to import doctors from the
Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK
thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the
Third World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government
runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying
in the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see
if they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to
discuss the issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets from
malnutrition and treatable health problems.
Who are these people? When has anyone died from malnutrition in the
United States?
You are either joking or you live with rose colored glasses.
Cite your sources. If anyone has starved to death in the United States it
is from mere stupidity.
.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 04:22:54 PM |
|
|
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like
such a good investment to many in the younger generation.
Britain, which has had government-run medical care for
more than half a century, has to import doctors from the
Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK
thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the Third
World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in
the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if
they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to
discuss the issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets from
malnutrition and treatable health problems.
So give us their names so we can verify this information.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer
they continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want
of a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care
less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for
anyone that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly
and/or can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu
shots only reduce your risk catching the flu, it doesn't
eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society.
Pro-lifers claim to care about "life." We look the other way
on health care because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in your
community, I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
There doesn't seem to be anyone starving in the streets, or going
without flu shots in my neck of the woods. Apparently, it isn't
the entire country.
You are kidding yourself.
Not in any way.
If you are kidding yourself, you won't know that.
And you still don't know that. That's the type of thing that works both
ways.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding for
flu vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or state
level for such funding, do what you can to eleviate the problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point. People
don't care.
Then go out and make them care. Don't expect the taxpayer to solve
all of your problems.
I don't have a problem. I have insurance.
I see, so you don't have a problem, so you are unwilling to work to
help those that do have a problem, so you'd rather have the
government force the money from other people's wallets to solve the
problems you are unwilling to work to gain a solution for, is that
correct, or do I mistate?
You misstate. I, personally, can't help the problem.
If you're not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
It is bigger
than that. We, as a country, need to address the issue.
Then I suggest you find a way to address the problem with the tax money the
government already gets.
And the
money wouldn't be "forced from people's wallets." Taxes are, with
some exceptions, relative.
Taxes are, by the very definition of taxes, forced from people's wallets.
Don't think so? Try not paying your taxes for a while.
I fail to see where I misstated above.
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
|
| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 06:17:31 PM |
|
|
In article <Occnc.12619$V97.3961@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like
such a good investment to many in the younger generation.
Britain, which has had government-run medical care for
more than half a century, has to import doctors from the
Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK
thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the Third
World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying in
the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see if
they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to
discuss the issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets from
malnutrition and treatable health problems.
So give us their names so we can verify this information.
Luke McGee.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer
they continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for want
of a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't care
less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for
anyone that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are elderly
and/or can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to them. Flu
shots only reduce your risk catching the flu, it doesn't
eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society.
Pro-lifers claim to care about "life." We look the other way
on health care because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in your
community, I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
There doesn't seem to be anyone starving in the streets, or going
without flu shots in my neck of the woods. Apparently, it isn't
the entire country.
You are kidding yourself.
Not in any way.
If you are kidding yourself, you won't know that.
And you still don't know that. That's the type of thing that works both
ways.
Except the evidence says otherwise.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding for
flu vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or state
level for such funding, do what you can to eleviate the problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point. People
don't care.
Then go out and make them care. Don't expect the taxpayer to solve
all of your problems.
I don't have a problem. I have insurance.
I see, so you don't have a problem, so you are unwilling to work to
help those that do have a problem, so you'd rather have the
government force the money from other people's wallets to solve the
problems you are unwilling to work to gain a solution for, is that
correct, or do I mistate?
You misstate. I, personally, can't help the problem.
If you're not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
And a rolling stone gathers no moss.
It is bigger
than that. We, as a country, need to address the issue.
Then I suggest you find a way to address the problem with the tax money the
government already gets.
Why?
And the
money wouldn't be "forced from people's wallets." Taxes are, with
some exceptions, relative.
Taxes are, by the very definition of taxes, forced from people's wallets.
Don't think so? Try not paying your taxes for a while.
No, I don't believe they are. In fact, for most people, taxes are
relative. It has no effect on their income.
I fail to see where I misstated above.
.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
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| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 09:44:54 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <Occnc.12619$V97.3961@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like
such a good investment to many in the younger generation.
Britain, which has had government-run medical care for
more than half a century, has to import doctors from the
Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK
thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the
Third World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government
runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying
in the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see
if they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to
discuss the issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets from
malnutrition and treatable health problems.
So give us their names so we can verify this information.
Luke McGee.
And where is he starving to death?
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer
they continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for
want of a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't
care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for
anyone that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are
elderly and/or can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to
them. Flu shots only reduce your risk catching the flu, it
doesn't eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society.
Pro-lifers claim to care about "life." We look the other way
on health care because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in
your community, I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
There doesn't seem to be anyone starving in the streets, or going
without flu shots in my neck of the woods. Apparently, it isn't
the entire country.
You are kidding yourself.
Not in any way.
If you are kidding yourself, you won't know that.
And you still don't know that. That's the type of thing that works
both ways.
Except the evidence says otherwise.
Then present your evidence.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding
for flu vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or
state level for such funding, do what you can to eleviate the
problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point.
People don't care.
Then go out and make them care. Don't expect the taxpayer to
solve all of your problems.
I don't have a problem. I have insurance.
I see, so you don't have a problem, so you are unwilling to work to
help those that do have a problem, so you'd rather have the
government force the money from other people's wallets to solve the
problems you are unwilling to work to gain a solution for, is that
correct, or do I mistate?
You misstate. I, personally, can't help the problem.
If you're not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
And a rolling stone gathers no moss.
So, you don't mind being part of the problem.
It is bigger
than that. We, as a country, need to address the issue.
Then I suggest you find a way to address the problem with the tax
money the government already gets.
Why?
Because I currently pay enough in taxes.
And the
money wouldn't be "forced from people's wallets." Taxes are, with
some exceptions, relative.
Taxes are, by the very definition of taxes, forced from people's
wallets. Don't think so? Try not paying your taxes for a while.
No, I don't believe they are.
Yes, they are. Like I said, try not paying your taxes for awhile.
In fact, for most people, taxes are
relative. It has no effect on their income.
*****.
--
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use
against our friends, against our allies, and against us."
Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House
(8/26/2002).
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
|
| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
08 May 2004 10:27:00 PM |
|
|
In article <GWgnc.13001$Hs1.11794@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <Occnc.12619$V97.3961@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like
such a good investment to many in the younger generation.
Britain, which has had government-run medical care for
more than half a century, has to import doctors from the
Third World, where medical school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the poor
world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK
thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the
Third World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government
runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I have
great health care. You're listening to too much left wing
propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying
in the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to see
if they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are you
serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to
discuss the issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets from
malnutrition and treatable health problems.
So give us their names so we can verify this information.
Luke McGee.
And where is he starving to death?
5th and C street
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives prefer
they continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for
want of a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The "pro-life" couldn't
care less.
Every year, our community sponsors free flu vaccinations for
anyone that comes to the hospital, or calls if they are
elderly and/or can't make the trip a nurse is sent out to
them. Flu shots only reduce your risk catching the flu, it
doesn't eliminate the risk.
Not my point. We claim to be a compassionate society.
Pro-lifers claim to care about "life." We look the other way
on health care because we want to save tax money.
Who looks the other way? I mean if you have that problem in
your community, I would suggest doing something about it.
The problem is in the entire country.
There doesn't seem to be anyone starving in the streets, or going
without flu shots in my neck of the woods. Apparently, it isn't
the entire country.
You are kidding yourself.
Not in any way.
If you are kidding yourself, you won't know that.
And you still don't know that. That's the type of thing that works
both ways.
Except the evidence says otherwise.
Then present your evidence.
I already have.
Sponsor a funding drive,
petition your local hospitals and clinics to acquire funding
for flu vaccinations, introduce a bill at your community or
state level for such funding, do what you can to eleviate the
problem.
It takes support. We don't have that. That was my point.
People don't care.
Then go out and make them care. Don't expect the taxpayer to
solve all of your problems.
I don't have a problem. I have insurance.
I see, so you don't have a problem, so you are unwilling to work to
help those that do have a problem, so you'd rather have the
government force the money from other people's wallets to solve the
problems you are unwilling to work to gain a solution for, is that
correct, or do I mistate?
You misstate. I, personally, can't help the problem.
If you're not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
And a rolling stone gathers no moss.
So, you don't mind being part of the problem.
I'm not. You are.
It is bigger
than that. We, as a country, need to address the issue.
Then I suggest you find a way to address the problem with the tax
money the government already gets.
Why?
Because I currently pay enough in taxes.
How selfish of you.
And the
money wouldn't be "forced from people's wallets." Taxes are, with
some exceptions, relative.
Taxes are, by the very definition of taxes, forced from people's
wallets. Don't think so? Try not paying your taxes for a while.
No, I don't believe they are.
Yes, they are. Like I said, try not paying your taxes for awhile.
That would prove nothing. Try caring about someone who is in need.
In fact, for most people, taxes are
relative. It has no effect on their income.
*****.
"Then present your evidence."
.
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| User: "Light Templar" |
|
| Title: Re: Universal Health Care? |
09 May 2004 01:21:53 AM |
|
|
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <GWgnc.13001$Hs1.11794@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <Occnc.12619$V97.3961@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Light Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<hIbnc.12558$Hs1.9314@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<0P9nc.9477$8S1.8831@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<hz8nc.2181$KE6.1504@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article
<DM4nc.1956$KE6.971@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Light
Templar <I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <5WYmc.37799$kc2.561144@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Goodness Godless" <goodness@godless.net> wrote in
news:1083968614.880884@athnrd02.forthnet.gr:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:L0Qmc.37573$kc2.556461@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
In the long run, medical school may no longer look like
such a good investment to many in the younger
generation. Britain, which has had government-run
medical care for more than half a century, has to
import doctors from the Third World, where medical
school standards are lower.
And of course the USA does not import Brains from the
poor world.
Thank you, not perfect, but the British system is OK
thanks.
The last thing we want is bankrupt USA Medical Insurance
Companies coming over here to turn our system into the
Third World, 'only for the rich' system your *Government
runs.
I am not rich by any stretch of the imagination and I
have great health care. You're listening to too much
left wing propaganda.
GG, don't let him con you. We have people literally dying
in the streets here for lack of health care.
Name a few.
George, Joe, and Pete.
Do George, Joe, and Pete have last names so I can check to
see if they are dying in the streets?
Tell you what. You names those who aren't.
Name some people that aren't starving in the streets??? Are
you serious?
Just as serious as you are.
You made an assertion that you cannot support. If you want to
discuss the issue, then support your assertions.
No problem - I have personally seen people dying in the streets
from malnutrition and treatable health problems.
So give us their names so we can verify this information.
Luke McGee.
And where is he starving to death?
5th and C street
Really? I just went down to 5th and C Streets, no one there starving to
death. Now there was an old drunk that looked like he could use a good
meal, so I directed him to the soup kitchen in the next block. Next to
that there is a homeless shelter where the guy can get a shower (and he
really needed it) and a cot for the night. Of course, I can only direct
him, I can't force him to take advantage of it.
Liberals have tried to do
something about that, these "pro-life" conservatives
prefer they continue to die rather than spend the money.
People in the U.S., oftentimes children, die everyday for
want of a $10 (5.6 GBP) flu shot. The &q | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
