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"Craig Chilton" |
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17 Nov 2005 07:44:19 AM |
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Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
Unwritten Rules of (Pseudo-Christian)
[RRR Cult] Hyper-Fundamentalism
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown) -- (Updated by Craig)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical,
psychological, or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion",
but whenever followers of *other* faiths want the same
freedom and the courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
And then WHINE about "activist judges" and "legislating
from the bench."
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when
backed into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of
lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious.
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have
personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole
process of error and correction as part of God's personal plan
for you and not as something for which you should apologize,
retract, or make amends, except verbally and secretly to God,
Himself.
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's
plans for the world. Recognize that even your errors are just
part of God's will for the betterment of mankind.
9. Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10. Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view
and oppose all such information through classification of such
information in a derogatory and simplistic manner(e.g., by cate-
gorizing it as left-wing propaganda).
11. Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality
is complex and there are shades of gray.
12. Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport
to forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for
whom you don't have that right anyhow.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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RRR cult lemmings... dumber than dirt.
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07 Dec 2005 08:18:53 AM |
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Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Are we in agreement that the fundamental right is not just "the right
to marry", but extends further to whom you choose to marry?
Those (including courts) who have posited a "fundamental right" to marry,
without including many caveats, have made a foolish error.
Your degree in law was from which university?
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
07 Dec 2005 08:00:36 AM |
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Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Are we in agreement that the fundamental right is not just "the right
to marry", but extends further to whom you choose to marry?
Those (including courts) who have posited a "fundamental right" to marry,
without including many caveats, have made a foolish error. It's obvious
that any supposed "right" to marry cannot be universal and fundamental.
You can't have a "fundamental right" to something that requires the
concurrence of someone else. What about the people who are so unattractive
they can't find a mate? If they have a "fundamental right to marry", is
government obligated to FORCE someone to marry them?
As I previously said, the state can abridge a fundamental right, but
only if it can meet the onus on it to do so. An example of meeting
that onus is to require that both parties in a marriage give informed
consent - which answers your concern. Marrying the person of your
choice is a fundamental right, but can be abridged to insure that the
person you choose consents.
I again ask, do you agree that the fundamental right is not just "the
right to marry", but extends further to whom you choose to marry? If
you answer "no", then you must defend a state law which does not permit
a poor man to marry a rich women. Do you really want to go there?
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Bill K." |
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07 Dec 2005 03:39:36 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:00:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Are we in agreement that the fundamental right is not just "the right
to marry", but extends further to whom you choose to marry?
Those (including courts) who have posited a "fundamental right" to marry,
without including many caveats, have made a foolish error. It's obvious
that any supposed "right" to marry cannot be universal and fundamental.
You can't have a "fundamental right" to something that requires the
concurrence of someone else. What about the people who are so unattractive
they can't find a mate? If they have a "fundamental right to marry", is
government obligated to FORCE someone to marry them?
As I previously said, the state can abridge a fundamental right, but
only if it can meet the onus on it to do so. An example of meeting
that onus is to require that both parties in a marriage give informed
consent - which answers your concern. Marrying the person of your
choice is a fundamental right, but can be abridged to insure that the
person you choose consents.
I again ask, do you agree that the fundamental right is not just "the
right to marry", but extends further to whom you choose to marry? If
Don't you mean "whom or what"?
you answer "no", then you must defend a state law which does not permit
a poor man to marry a rich women. Do you really want to go there?
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman, a poor man can
marry a rich woman, buy he can't marry a rich man. He also can't marry his
horse.
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
07 Dec 2005 04:23:35 PM |
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"Bill K." <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.12.07.21.39.35.490537@XXXoptonline.net...
[snip]
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman,
You made that assertion before. Merriam-Webster, along with Spain, Canada,
Massachusetts and a number of other jurisdictions, still disagrees:
Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as
husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by
law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a
relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the
mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby
individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected;
especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry
-- J. T. Shawcross
(Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/)
a poor man can
marry a rich woman, buy he can't marry a rich man. He also can't marry his
horse.
I see you either still haven't looked up 'informed consent' or you're just
too fucking stupid to understand how it works.
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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07 Dec 2005 04:41:56 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:23:35 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
"Bill K." <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.12.07.21.39.35.490537@XXXoptonline.net...
[snip]
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman,
You made that assertion before. Merriam-Webster, along with Spain, Canada,
Massachusetts and a number of other jurisdictions, still disagrees:
Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as
husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by
law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a
relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the
mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby
individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected;
especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry
-- J. T. Shawcross
(Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/)
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
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| User: "" |
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07 Dec 2005 06:01:38 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
All of the above being "third world" in their social structure, of
course. Those who simply "throw homos a bone" via civil union being a
bit more modern that the few who have homosexually dominated
governments and, consequently, have been blackmailed into allowing
same sex marriage.
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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07 Dec 2005 06:46:17 PM |
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wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
All of the above being "third world" in their social structure, of
course. Those who simply "throw homos a bone" via civil union being a
bit more modern that the few who have homosexually dominated
governments and, consequently, have been blackmailed into allowing
same sex marriage.
So the UK, which is propping up Bush's revenge war in Iraq are a third
world country? Have you told them this as they may want to withdraw
their troops from Iraq in case of peasant riots on the home front!
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "" |
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07 Dec 2005 10:39:17 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:46:17 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
So the UK, which is propping up Bush's revenge war in Iraq are a third
world country? Have you told them this as they may want to withdraw
their troops from Iraq in case of peasant riots on the home front!
Sorry, moose, I don't discuss the US security matters with foreigners.
Especially grossly untrustworthy foreigners such as you whose country
provides sanctuary for international terrorist.
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
08 Dec 2005 02:17:25 AM |
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in article 5defp196qukh0v3bseemll7b5vf3cnst52@4ax.com,
at wrote on 12/7/05 11:39 PM:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:46:17 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
So the UK, which is propping up Bush's revenge war in Iraq are a third
world country? Have you told them this as they may want to withdraw
their troops from Iraq in case of peasant riots on the home front!
Sorry, moose, I don't discuss the US security matters with foreigners.
Especially grossly untrustworthy foreigners such as you whose country
provides sanctuary for international terrorist.
Sleazynews worries about that, since his God can't be bothered to
protect him.
Paul
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| User: "" |
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08 Dec 2005 07:12:12 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:17:25 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:
in article 5defp196qukh0v3bseemll7b5vf3cnst52@4ax.com,
at wrote on 12/7/05 11:39 PM:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:46:17 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
So the UK, which is propping up Bush's revenge war in Iraq are a third
world country? Have you told them this as they may want to withdraw
their troops from Iraq in case of peasant riots on the home front!
Sorry, moose, I don't discuss the US security matters with foreigners.
Especially grossly untrustworthy foreigners such as you whose country
provides sanctuary for international terrorist.
Sleazynews worries about that, since his God can't be bothered to
protect him.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will
fear no evil: for Colt, Model 1911, is with me...
BTW -- "Go ***** Yourself" -***** Cheney
Paul
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
07 Dec 2005 06:18:49 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:01:38 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
default@easynews.com
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
All of the above being "third world" in their social structure,
Only as "third-world" as New Berlin Wisconsin, Billy.
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| User: "" |
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07 Dec 2005 10:35:46 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:18:49 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:01:38 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
default@easynews.com
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
All of the above being "third world" in their social structure,
Only as "third-world" as New Berlin Wisconsin, Billy.
Why don't you post the complete address with telephone number again,
insignificant little *****. I haven't a copy and I would like to
inform the party you are so focused on of your efforts to make him
well known in the queer world of male ***** suckers and ***** fucker. I
think we should also verify with your ISP if posting such information
is kosher with them.
Name: Bill Taylor
Address:
Phone Number:
Let's see what you're made of, "ilb."
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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08 Dec 2005 01:00:11 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:35:46 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
default@easynews.com
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:18:49 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 00:01:38 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
default@easynews.com
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
All of the above being "third world" in their social structure,
Only as "third-world" as New Berlin Wisconsin, Billy.
Why don't you post the complete address with telephone number again,
Can't you remember your own address and phone number, Bill?
Now you see what that syphilis has done to addle your pea brain.
insignificant little *****.
And yet you respond to every last one of my posts. Quit denying that
you're obsessed with moi, Billy.
I haven't a copy and I would like to
inform myself that I am so focused on you and want to make myself
well known in the queer world of male ***** suckers and ***** fucker, like my aunt mom
I think we should also verify with my ISP if posting such information
is kosher with them.
Name: Bill Taylor
Address:
Don't you remember, Bill?
Phone Number:
Ask your aunt mom, Bill.
Now, let's see what a real man you are. Feel free to post my full
name, address, and number (cell or home).
Let's see what you're made of, Tiny.
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08 Dec 2005 06:56:16 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:00:11 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:35:46 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
default@easynews.com
(...)
Only as "third-world" as New Berlin Wisconsin, Billy.
Why don't you post the complete address with telephone number again,
Can't you remember your own address and phone number, Bill?
Now you see what that syphilis has done to addle your pea brain.
insignificant little *****.
And yet you respond to every last one of my posts. Quit denying that
you're obsessed with moi, Billy.
POST THE ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER, boy or admit to the
rest of the world what I already know, that you're a lying little *****
sucking coward.
Name: Bill Taylor
Address:
Phone Number:
Post it, ***** sucking coward!
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
08 Dec 2005 12:33:56 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:56:16 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of
default@easynews.com
I want to ***** a boy and admit to the
rest of the world what I already know, that I'm a lying little *****
sucking coward.
Name: Bill Taylor
I am a ***** sucking coward!
http://www.absolutearts.com/portfolios/w/wilhelm/
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08 Dec 2005 02:12:33 AM |
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in article evtep1tv3tfjo25hpqnd42qeg6pbk66jqp@4ax.com,
at wrote on 12/7/05 7:01 PM:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
All of the above being "third world" in their social structure, of
course.
Tell us how much wealth and status you and your hot wife have...
Paul
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| User: "" |
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08 Dec 2005 06:58:16 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:12:33 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:
Tell us how much wealth and status you and your hot wife have...
How you queers fantasize about being normal human beings. You just can
hear enough about the good life of hets can you, boy?
Paul
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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08 Dec 2005 09:13:01 PM |
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<default@easynews.com> wrote:
duca@comcast.net>
Tell us how much wealth and status you and your hot wife have...
How you queers fantasize about being normal human beings.
Looks like YOU are the one interested in the sex lives of gay men.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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07 Dec 2005 04:57:50 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org>
Sorry. My old list was not up-to-date.
Here's the current one. If I have missed any country, please let me
know.
COUNTRIES WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE/CIVIL UNIONS
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Switzerland
Thailand
UK
South Africa
Spain
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:23:35 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
"Bill K." <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.12.07.21.39.35.490537@XXXoptonline.net...
[snip]
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman,
You made that assertion before. Merriam-Webster, along with Spain, Canada,
Massachusetts and a number of other jurisdictions, still disagrees:
Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as
husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by
law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a
relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the
mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby
individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected;
especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry
-- J. T. Shawcross
(Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/)
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
07 Dec 2005 05:23:22 PM |
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Bonnie ***** wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org>
Sorry. My old list was not up-to-date.
Here's the current one. If I have missed any country, please let me
know.
COUNTRIES WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE/CIVIL UNIONS
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Switzerland
Thailand
UK
South Africa
Spain
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:23:35 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
"Bill K." <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.12.07.21.39.35.490537@XXXoptonline.net...
[snip]
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman,
You made that assertion before. Merriam-Webster, along with Spain, Cana=
da,
Massachusetts and a number of other jurisdictions, still disagrees:
Main Entry: mar=B7riage
Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to ma=
rry
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as
husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized=
by
law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a
relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b =
: the
mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby
individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effec=
ted;
especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalit=
ies
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry
-- J. T. Shawcross
(Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/)
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
Do you have a citation for Thailand?
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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07 Dec 2005 06:10:37 PM |
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On 7 Dec 2005 15:23:22 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Josh
Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@att.com>
Bonnie ***** wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:41:56 -0800, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org>
Sorry. My old list was not up-to-date.
Here's the current one. If I have missed any country, please let me
know.
COUNTRIES WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE/CIVIL UNIONS
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Switzerland
Thailand
UK
South Africa
Spain
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:23:35 GMT, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Dennis
Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
"Bill K." <bilkay@XXXoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.12.07.21.39.35.490537@XXXoptonline.net...
[snip]
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman,
You made that assertion before. Merriam-Webster, along with Spain, Canada,
Massachusetts and a number of other jurisdictions, still disagrees:
Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: 'mer-ij, 'ma-rij
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as
husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by
law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a
relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the
mutual relation of married persons : WEDLOCK c : the institution whereby
individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected;
especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry
-- J. T. Shawcross
(Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/)
Countries with SSM/Civil Unions
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Thailand
UK
Spain
Do you have a citation for Thailand?
Not offhand, but IIRC, it's a domestic partner agreement/registration.
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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07 Dec 2005 05:16:50 PM |
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Bill K. wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:00:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Are we in agreement that the fundamental right is not just "the right
to marry", but extends further to whom you choose to marry?
Those (including courts) who have posited a "fundamental right" to marry,
without including many caveats, have made a foolish error. It's obvious
that any supposed "right" to marry cannot be universal and fundamental.
You can't have a "fundamental right" to something that requires the
concurrence of someone else. What about the people who are so unattractive
they can't find a mate? If they have a "fundamental right to marry", is
government obligated to FORCE someone to marry them?
As I previously said, the state can abridge a fundamental right, but
only if it can meet the onus on it to do so. An example of meeting
that onus is to require that both parties in a marriage give informed
consent - which answers your concern. Marrying the person of your
choice is a fundamental right, but can be abridged to insure that the
person you choose consents.
I again ask, do you agree that the fundamental right is not just "the
right to marry", but extends further to whom you choose to marry? If
Don't you mean "whom or what"?
Both. In the case of a non-human what, the state easily can abridge
the fundamental right because the non-human cannot provide informed
consent.
you answer "no", then you must defend a state law which does not permit
a poor man to marry a rich women. Do you really want to go there?
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman, a poor man can
marry a rich woman, buy he can't marry a rich man.
You distinguish between poor-man/rich-woman and poor-man/rich-man by
arguing that marriage is between a man and a woman because marriage is
between a man and a woman. That reasoning is circular, and hence
invalid.
Josh Rosenbluth
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07 Dec 2005 05:46:53 PM |
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Bill K. wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:00:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman
Bzzzzzttttt! WRONG if you live in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Canada or
the state of Mass. In those jurisdictions, marriage means a union if
two consenting adults. Please try and be truthful in your statements.
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "" |
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07 Dec 2005 10:26:33 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:53 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:00:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman
Bzzzzzttttt! WRONG if you live in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Canada or
the state of Mass. In those jurisdictions, marriage means a union if
two consenting adults. Please try and be truthful in your statements.
Your lame little list excludes about 99% of the civilized world where
marriage means a union of one man and one woman. Please try to get
real, boy.
<snip>
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
08 Dec 2005 02:16:14 AM |
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in article 8jdfp1lhnpvc4ajd58c23ht37dgbd6mvfg@4ax.com,
at wrote on 12/7/05 11:26 PM:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:53 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:00:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman
Bzzzzzttttt! WRONG if you live in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Canada or
the state of Mass. In those jurisdictions, marriage means a union if
two consenting adults. Please try and be truthful in your statements.
Your lame little list excludes about 99% of the civilized world where
marriage means a union of one man and one woman.
You mean where EVERYONE has health and wealth and status and power,
thanks to God?
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| User: "" |
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08 Dec 2005 06:59:43 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:16:14 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:
in article 8jdfp1lhnpvc4ajd58c23ht37dgbd6mvfg@4ax.com,
at wrote on 12/7/05 11:26 PM:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:53 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:00:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman
Bzzzzzttttt! WRONG if you live in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Canada or
the state of Mass. In those jurisdictions, marriage means a union if
two consenting adults. Please try and be truthful in your statements.
Your lame little list excludes about 99% of the civilized world where
marriage means a union of one man and one woman.
You mean where EVERYONE has health and wealth and status and power,
thanks to God?
What god are you referring to, boy?
BTW -- "Go ***** Yourself" -***** Cheney
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
07 Dec 2005 06:17:26 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:53 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "L. Michael
Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com>
Bill K. wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:00:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman
Bzzzzzttttt! WRONG if you live in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Canada or
the state of Mass. In those jurisdictions, marriage means a union if
two consenting adults. Please try and be truthful in your statements.
COUNTRIES WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE/CIVIL UNIONS
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
France
Greenland
Germany
Hungary
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Scotland
Sweden
Switzerland
Thailand
UK
South Africa
Spain
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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07 Dec 2005 06:59:32 PM |
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Bonnie ***** wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:53 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "L. Michael
Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com>
Bill K. wrote:
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:00:36 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
Bill K. wrote:
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:07:40 -0800, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
<snip>
Since marriage MEANS a union of one man and one woman
Bzzzzzttttt! WRONG if you live in Holland, Belgium, Spain, Canada or
the state of Mass. In those jurisdictions, marriage means a union if
two consenting adults. Please try and be truthful in your statements.
Bonnie, could you be a dear and split this up according to marriage,
civil union and partnership? It would be interesting to see if any
patterns emerge and who might be next to grant full equality. I helped
the list out where I could...
COUNTRIES/STATES WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Belgium
Canada
Holland
Massachusetts
Spain
In 2006 - Republic Of South Africa
COUNTRIES/STATES WITH CIVIL UNIONS
England
Germany
Ireland
Scotland
Sweden
Switzerland
Vermont
COUNTRIES/STATES WITH PARTNERSHIPS
France
Argentina
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
Greenland
Hungary
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Thailand
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
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| User: "Bonnie Bitch" |
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| Title: Re: Unwritten Rules that RRR Cult Lemmings Live By |
08 Dec 2005 12:55:18 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:59:32 -0500, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "L. Michael
Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com>
Bonnie, could you be a dear and split this up according to marriage,
civil union and partnership?
No, and I'll tell you why shortly.
It would be interesting to see if any
patterns emerge and who might be next to grant full equality. I helped
the list out where I could...
IMO, what the Netherlands does will have no bearing on what any other
country does.
COUNTRIES/STATES WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Belgium
Canada
Holland
Massachusetts
Spain
In 2006 - Republic Of South Africa
COUNTRIES/STATES WITH CIVIL UNIONS
England
Germany
Ireland
Scotland
Sweden
Switzerland
Vermont
I appreciate what you did, but in Germany, Iceland, Norway, Denmark,
the UK, and Sweden, what they have is, for all intents and purposes,
civil marriage. Their versions are exactly the same as "breeder
hook-up"/ marriage, except for the legal moniker.
And to further exemplify -- in the Netherlands, it's called marriage,
but the couple can't adopt. It's exactly the same in Germany, but the
Germans have some long, obnoxious, legal term for it, rather than
marriage. (Gleichberechtigungspartnerschaft, IIRC).
IMO, it's a bit inexact to label by the legal term, when the rights
and privileges being conferred may, in some cases, be exactly the
same.
So labeling by legal term is kind of pointless, IMO.
If a couple gets hitched in Buenos Aires, they're considered married
in the other countries. And I don't know any language of the
aforementioned countries where the word "married" isn't used to label
these civil unions, regardless of the amount of rights and privileges
conferred. Except in the civil rights backwater dirge that is the US,
of course.
In Germany, one does not say, "Wir sind
gleichberchtigungspartnerschaftiert," which would be the equivalent of
saying, "We are civil-unioned." One says, "Wir sind verheiratet" (We
are married.)
I guess I'm just not seeing the point of labeling by legal term, when
the different countries might be using different labels for the exact
same thing.
Plus, I ain't adding any place in the US until we get some federal
clarification as to whether states will be allowed to ignore the "full
faith and credit" clause. Call me stubborn, but.....
COUNTRIES/STATES WITH PARTNERSHIPS
France
But again, what is offered in France is, for all intents and purposes,
marriage, but with a different legal moniker.
A couple who gets hitched in Amsterdam would be recognized as being
legally wed in Paris, because it's, for all intents and purposes, the
same deal.
I hope that makes sense. Maybe I misunderstood your reasoning for
delineating the list?
Argentina
Denmark
Iceland
Finland
Greenland
Hungary
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
Thailand
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08 Dec 2005 06:50:49 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:55:18 -0800, Bonnie *****
<bonnieb@fifispad.org> wrote:
COUNTRIES/STATES WITH SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Belgium
Canada
Holland
Massachusetts
LOOK! "ilb."
Gay-wed foes submit signatures to seek ban vote
By Emelie Rutherford/ MetroWest Daily News
Thursday, December 8, 2005 - Updated: 12:11 AM EST
Get ready for another messy gay marriage debate at the Massachusetts
State House.
Gay marriage foes yesterday gave the secretary of state what they
said are more than enough signatures to place a constitutional ban
before lawmakers, stirring emotions for advocates on both sides of the
marriage debate.
Voteonmarriage.org and six other campaigns trying to change the
state’s laws and constitution through initiative petitions appear to
have delivered more than the required 65,825 signatures to place their
proposals before the Legislature and, they hope, on the ballot.
“It is a day to celebrate,” said Kris Mineau, president of the
Massachusetts Family Institute in Newton.
The gay marriage ban would not allow civil unions, as a more
moderate ban lawmakers rejected in September would have. Massachusetts
became the first state to allow gay marriage 19 months ago.
Natick’s Kim Puhala, who married her female partner in October,
called yesterday’s signature delivery “disheartening.”
“You have to have faith that the people of Massachusetts, if this
did go to the ballot, would vote against discrimination,” Puhala said.
Voteonmarriage.org delivered at least 148,200 signatures already
certified by local officials to Galvin yesterday, Mineau said.
Supporters such as Upton’s Bob Kilroy volunteered hours weekends
this fall gathering signatures at their churches.
The proposed constitutional amendment must be approved by
one-quarter of lawmakers in two legislative sessions for it to be
placed on the ballot for voters to decide.
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