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User: "Bill Case"
Date: 17 Aug 2004 04:16:26 PM
Object: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward
Well, Cheney should try telling fighter pilot (who showed up) Senator Harkin
to "***** himself", instead of quiet, inoffensive Sen. Leahy, whom Cheney set
up for the Karl Rove gesture.
It appears chickenhawk Bushies are on the path to getting their tough guy
act shoved up their asses.
Here's a good piece from Prof. Juan Cole's website that also gets into
chickenhawk Cheney's twisting the usage of the word "senstive" by Kerry into
something denigrating.
It occurred to me on hearing the chickenhawk mention Gen. Eisenhower in the
process, that the *****-for-brains didn't know that Ike's huge contribution
was his ability to keep things on track among allies with different
interests and cultures.
In addition to being a smart brave MAN, Ike was sensitive to other people's
views. Of course, the chickenhawk was trying to pretend that Kerry was
refering to touchy-feely stuff instead of INTELLIGENT actions.
Read on...
Juan Cole http://www.juancole.com/
Harkin: Cheney is Cowardly
Iowa Senator Tom Harkin has let ***** Cheney have it over Cheney's
questioning of John Kerry's ability to understand the war on
terrorism--calling the vice president a "coward". CNN quotes him,
"It just outrages me that someone who got five deferments during Vietnam and
said he had 'other priorities' at that time would say that," said the Iowa
Democrat, a former Navy fighter pilot . . . The issue first arose when
Harkin joined with Des Moines police officials protesting the call-up of a
police officer who already had completed his eight year military commitment.
Harkin said that it angered him to hear tough talk from Cheney. "When I hear
this coming from ***** Cheney, who was a coward, who would not serve during
the Vietnam War, it makes my blood boil," said Harkin. "He'll be tough, but
he'll be tough with someone else's kid's blood," said Harkin.
Actually, I don't think declining to serve in Vietnam is necessarily a sign
of cowardice. Those who didn't buy the Domino Theory or just didn't consider
the North Vietnamese a threat to the California coast might well have
declined to risk their lives in that war. But presumably Cheney did believe
that fighting international Communism was a worthy cause. He did ask for and
receive five deferments, one after another. It is clear that he had higher
priorities, as he said, than fighting in the Vietnam War.
This behavior suggests not necessarily cowardice, but hypocrisy. If he was
exercised about a threat, why not go meet it? It could be cowardice, of
course. We cannot know for sure. But it was at least hypocrisy.
Now that we are on Cheney, I wanted to respond to his recent sarcastic
criticism of John Kerry for saying that we need to fight the war on terror
sensitively.
' "America has been in too many wars for any of our wishes, but not a one
of them was won by being sensitive," Cheney told an audience of veterans in
Dayton, Ohio. '
Many pundits pointed out that George W. Bush had used exactly the same
language about a sensitive approach to the war on terror, so that Cheney was
implicitly criticizing his own superior.
But as a historian, I have to say that Cheney's statement is bizarre and
uninformed. Let me just give one example. The practice round for World War
II was fought in North Africa, then controlled by the Vichy French. Dwight
Eisenhower developed Project Torch, involving the landing of US troops in
Morocco and Algeria.
It was essential to the US effort that the French colonial soldiers be
quickly won over and convinced not to put up stiff resistance to the
invasion. The original plan would have explicitly used British naval power.
But the Free French objected loudly to this plan, since they did not want
the British Empire's ships anywhere near their North African possessions.
The French and the British had old rivalries in this regard. Moreover, there
were still French bad feelings about the British attack on the French fleet
at Mers al Kabir in Algeria in 1940.
So Roosevelt and Eisenhower asked Churchill to keep the British navy in the
background off Gibraltar and out of sight of the Moroccan coast. Churchill
agreed.
That is, Roosevelt and Eisenhower had their successful landing in North
Africa precisely because they were entirely willing to bend over backward to
be sensitive to French feelings.
And that is the big difference between Cheney and Bush as wartime leaders on
the one hand, and on the other Roosevelt and Eisenhower. Cheney and Bush are
diplomatically tone deaf, projecting nothing but arrogance and being all too
willing to humiliate traditional allies. They have no sensitivity. And it is
for that reason that they have the U.S. stuck in Iraq with only one really
significant military ally, the U.K. (the Italians only have 3,000 troops
there, and most countries just a few hundred, which makes their presence a
token one). They have perhaps permanently alienated all the countries that
might have lent the U.S. a hand.
And that pattern of arrogant, unilateral war-mongering worries me more than
Cheney being a coward.
If the Bush/Cheney team gets back in, there will be further wars and massive
disturbances to world peace and security, starting with Iran. Maybe the
whole doctrine of pre-emptive war is a form of inferiority complex,
impelling Cheney to be a strident war-monger to try to vindicate his
uninvolved youth. If he was a coward, he may be endangering us all (and
especially our teenagers) in a desperate ploy to regain his own manhood.
posted by Juan @ 8/17/2004 06:00:00 AM
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User: "IBM"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 19 Aug 2004 11:00:35 AM
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in
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Well, Cheney should try telling fighter pilot (who showed up) Senator
Harkin to "***** himself", instead of quiet, inoffensive Sen. Leahy,

Would that be the saem Senator Harkin who can't seem to remember
what he was flying and where?
I don't imagine Cheney would have the slightest apprising the
fairy errr ferry pilot what he thought of him.
Harkin was a "naval aviator" with the implication he was carrier
qualified. Anybody know whether he was actually qualified?
IBM
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User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 19 Aug 2004 11:22:30 AM
"IBM" <ibm@svpal.org> wrote

Would that be the saem Senator Harkin who can't seem to
remember what he was flying and where?

No it wouldn't. It would be the same Senator Harkin that put
on his uniform and reported for duty.
You wouldn't understand. You support a drunken frat boy
who pulled strings to get in the national guard and dodge the
draft, only to desert his unit.
There's a reason you feel it necessary to ***** on veterans,
and that reason is George Dubya Bush.
.


User: "Liberty1st"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 17 Aug 2004 04:33:05 PM
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, Cheney should try telling fighter pilot (who showed up) Senator

Harkin

to "***** himself", instead of quiet, inoffensive Sen. Leahy, whom Cheney

set

up for the Karl Rove gesture.

It appears chickenhawk Bushies are on the path to getting their tough guy
act shoved up their asses.

Quit reading here. Post like and adult and maybe it will be worth reading.


Here's a good piece from Prof. Juan Cole's website that also gets into
chickenhawk Cheney's twisting the usage of the word "senstive" by Kerry

into

something denigrating.

It occurred to me on hearing the chickenhawk mention Gen. Eisenhower in

the

process, that the *****-for-brains didn't know that Ike's huge contribution
was his ability to keep things on track among allies with different
interests and cultures.

In addition to being a smart brave MAN, Ike was sensitive to other

people's

views. Of course, the chickenhawk was trying to pretend that Kerry was
refering to touchy-feely stuff instead of INTELLIGENT actions.

Read on...

Juan Cole http://www.juancole.com/

Harkin: Cheney is Cowardly

Iowa Senator Tom Harkin has let ***** Cheney have it over Cheney's
questioning of John Kerry's ability to understand the war on
terrorism--calling the vice president a "coward". CNN quotes him,

"It just outrages me that someone who got five deferments during Vietnam

and

said he had 'other priorities' at that time would say that," said the Iowa
Democrat, a former Navy fighter pilot . . . The issue first arose when
Harkin joined with Des Moines police officials protesting the call-up of a
police officer who already had completed his eight year military

commitment.

Harkin said that it angered him to hear tough talk from Cheney. "When I

hear

this coming from ***** Cheney, who was a coward, who would not serve during
the Vietnam War, it makes my blood boil," said Harkin. "He'll be tough,

but

he'll be tough with someone else's kid's blood," said Harkin.


Actually, I don't think declining to serve in Vietnam is necessarily a

sign

of cowardice. Those who didn't buy the Domino Theory or just didn't

consider

the North Vietnamese a threat to the California coast might well have
declined to risk their lives in that war. But presumably Cheney did

believe

that fighting international Communism was a worthy cause. He did ask for

and

receive five deferments, one after another. It is clear that he had higher
priorities, as he said, than fighting in the Vietnam War.

This behavior suggests not necessarily cowardice, but hypocrisy. If he was
exercised about a threat, why not go meet it? It could be cowardice, of
course. We cannot know for sure. But it was at least hypocrisy.

Now that we are on Cheney, I wanted to respond to his recent sarcastic
criticism of John Kerry for saying that we need to fight the war on terror
sensitively.

' "America has been in too many wars for any of our wishes, but not a

one

of them was won by being sensitive," Cheney told an audience of veterans

in

Dayton, Ohio. '


Many pundits pointed out that George W. Bush had used exactly the same
language about a sensitive approach to the war on terror, so that Cheney

was

implicitly criticizing his own superior.

But as a historian, I have to say that Cheney's statement is bizarre and
uninformed. Let me just give one example. The practice round for World War
II was fought in North Africa, then controlled by the Vichy French. Dwight
Eisenhower developed Project Torch, involving the landing of US troops in
Morocco and Algeria.

It was essential to the US effort that the French colonial soldiers be
quickly won over and convinced not to put up stiff resistance to the
invasion. The original plan would have explicitly used British naval

power.

But the Free French objected loudly to this plan, since they did not want
the British Empire's ships anywhere near their North African possessions.
The French and the British had old rivalries in this regard. Moreover,

there

were still French bad feelings about the British attack on the French

fleet

at Mers al Kabir in Algeria in 1940.

So Roosevelt and Eisenhower asked Churchill to keep the British navy in

the

background off Gibraltar and out of sight of the Moroccan coast. Churchill
agreed.

That is, Roosevelt and Eisenhower had their successful landing in North
Africa precisely because they were entirely willing to bend over backward

to

be sensitive to French feelings.

And that is the big difference between Cheney and Bush as wartime leaders

on

the one hand, and on the other Roosevelt and Eisenhower. Cheney and Bush

are

diplomatically tone deaf, projecting nothing but arrogance and being all

too

willing to humiliate traditional allies. They have no sensitivity. And it

is

for that reason that they have the U.S. stuck in Iraq with only one really
significant military ally, the U.K. (the Italians only have 3,000 troops
there, and most countries just a few hundred, which makes their presence a
token one). They have perhaps permanently alienated all the countries that
might have lent the U.S. a hand.

And that pattern of arrogant, unilateral war-mongering worries me more

than

Cheney being a coward.

If the Bush/Cheney team gets back in, there will be further wars and

massive

disturbances to world peace and security, starting with Iran. Maybe the
whole doctrine of pre-emptive war is a form of inferiority complex,
impelling Cheney to be a strident war-monger to try to vindicate his
uninvolved youth. If he was a coward, he may be endangering us all (and
especially our teenagers) in a desperate ploy to regain his own manhood.


posted by Juan @ 8/17/2004 06:00:00 AM


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User: "Fester"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 17 Aug 2004 06:17:24 PM
"Liberty1st" <liberty1st_@email.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, Cheney should try telling fighter pilot (who showed up) Senator

Harkin

to "***** himself", instead of quiet, inoffensive Sen. Leahy, whom Cheney

set

up for the Karl Rove gesture.

It appears chickenhawk Bushies are on the path to getting their tough

guy

act shoved up their asses.


Quit reading here. Post like and adult and maybe it will be worth

reading.
This moron has been spamming and crossposting for about a month now. Just
think of what he could do if he used * both* hands.
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 18 Aug 2004 03:00:52 AM
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote

This moron has been spamming and crossposting for about a
month now.

You've been trolling since before Bush's Iraqi adventure. That
was more than a year ago.
.

User: "Bill Case"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 18 Aug 2004 08:49:56 AM
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"Liberty1st" <liberty1st_@email.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, Cheney should try telling fighter pilot (who showed up) Senator

Harkin

to "***** himself", instead of quiet, inoffensive Sen. Leahy, whom

Cheney

set

up for the Karl Rove gesture.

It appears chickenhawk Bushies are on the path to getting their tough

guy

act shoved up their asses.


Quit reading here. Post like and adult and maybe it will be worth

reading.

This moron has been spamming and crossposting for about a month now. Just
think of what he could do if he used * both* hands.

Hey you little Festered degenerate,
It's easy to avoid posts you don't want to read - you don't open them.
Imagine how easy it would be if you weren't an incompetent.
.
User: "Fester"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 18 Aug 2004 04:34:13 PM
"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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"Liberty1st" <liberty1st_@email.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, Cheney should try telling fighter pilot (who showed up)

Senator

Harkin

to "***** himself", instead of quiet, inoffensive Sen. Leahy, whom

Cheney

set

up for the Karl Rove gesture.

It appears chickenhawk Bushies are on the path to getting their

tough

guy

act shoved up their asses.


Quit reading here. Post like and adult and maybe it will be worth

reading.

This moron has been spamming and crossposting for about a month now.

Just

think of what he could do if he used * both* hands.


Hey you little Festered degenerate,
It's easy to avoid posts you don't want to read - you don't open them.
Imagine how easy it would be if you weren't an incompetent.

Shouldn't you be thinking about your next 'John' instead of spamming and
crossposting NGs? Time is $$$.
.
User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 18 Aug 2004 06:35:01 PM
"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote

Shouldn't you be thinking about your next 'John' instead
of spamming and crossposting NGs?

You've been doing it for more than a year now.
Hypocrite.
.

User: "Bill Case"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 18 Aug 2004 04:39:17 PM
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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"Liberty1st" <liberty1st_@email.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, Cheney should try telling fighter pilot (who showed up)

Senator

Harkin

to "***** himself", instead of quiet, inoffensive Sen. Leahy, whom

Cheney

set

up for the Karl Rove gesture.

It appears chickenhawk Bushies are on the path to getting their

tough

guy

act shoved up their asses.


Quit reading here. Post like and adult and maybe it will be worth

reading.

This moron has been spamming and crossposting for about a month now.

Just

think of what he could do if he used * both* hands.


Hey you little Festered degenerate,
It's easy to avoid posts you don't want to read - you don't open them.
Imagine how easy it would be if you weren't an incompetent.


Shouldn't you be thinking about your next 'John' instead of spamming and
crossposting NGs? Time is $$$.

Hey you little Festered ***** degenerate,
It's easy to avoid posts you don't want to read - you don't open them.
Imagine how easy it would be if you weren't an incompetent.
.




User: "Bill Case"

Title: Re: US Senator Harkin - VP Cheney is a coward 17 Aug 2004 04:44:42 PM
"Liberty1st" <liberty1st_@email.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Case" <Billc548@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:KAuUc.25848$9Y6.1811@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...

Well, Cheney should try telling fighter pilot (who showed up) Senator

Harkin

to "***** himself", instead of quiet, inoffensive Sen. Leahy, whom Cheney

set

up for the Karl Rove gesture.

It appears chickenhawk Bushies are on the path to getting their tough

guy

act shoved up their asses.


Quit reading here. Post like and adult and maybe it will be worth

reading.
Your posts are too low grade for anybody to bothered by your running away.
.



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