Science > Abortion > Vast Majority of Citizens Believe Illegals Threat to U.S.
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"Mr. Young" |
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06 Sep 2006 11:54:47 PM |
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Vast Majority of Citizens Believe Illegals Threat to U.S. |
The fact alone that the majority of citizens don't want them here is
justification enough to expell them en' mass. Of course, anything that is of
detriment to America becomes a cause for the ACLU to embrace so we shouldn't
expect 'relief' any time soon.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/18070.html
By Sher Zieve - Recent Susquehanna Polling and Research results found that
71% of Americans polled believe that illegal immigration poses a clear
threat to the US. The poll was commissioned by the Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review.
More than half (56%) of those polled said they are more aware of foreigners
today, than they were before 9/11/2001, and 31% said that they believe
illegal immigration's biggest threat is terrorism.
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youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "osprey" |
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15 Sep 2006 08:46:18 AM |
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Jafo wrote:
As viewed from alt.california, osprey wrote:
In my sociology class, we did a study on the different ethinicities,
Americans can take some good lessons on family values from hispanics.
They are very family orientated, very hard working, and they don't need
a lot to enjoy life. In a way, they remind me a lot of our Amish
communities.
Aside from the gangs, the bullets and the graffiti, of course.
Not too many drive-bys conducted from those horse-drawn buggies.
Whites, as well as other races are involved in gangs, the bullets and
graffiti...
So keep your stereotyping and bigotry to yourself please.
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Jafo
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Vast Majority of Citizens Believe Illegals Threat to U.S. |
15 Sep 2006 12:18:23 AM |
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In article <1158296389.235471.41990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <C9adnb4_Vadc7ZTYnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <0mqig25scod05i0c0fap4ebqhfj8h9p5n4@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:33:47 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060633473482%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <l1aig291osl39uqu99f05nbn2h3k89su56@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:55:31 GMT, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <130920062055328363%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <d5jgg2hg4dbrd5uj51fen7pith3p50c1gh@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:19 GMT, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<130920060753196986%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
Do you contend illegal immigrants as a group pay more in taxes
than
they receive in services?
Aside from the fact that their presence is a violation of law,
and
accepting their presence is condoning illegal activity.
I have had a number of immigrants as clients, illegal and legal,
and my
experience has been that they are very hard workers who are
taken
advantage of on a fairly regular basis.
Irrelevant. That has nothing to do with their illegal status. I
would like to see a Federal law requiring anyone who identifies
someone who is an illegal to report them to ICE immediately. No
exceptions under any circumstances.
Anyone who aids an illegal in any way should be charged with a
Federal
felony.
Because?
The are assisting someone who is violating a Federal law. Why
should
they not be so charged?
My point is, why are you so focused on this one particular "crime."
I'm not. This happens to be the one under discussion.
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of. They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here. Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time? I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
They are hard working, and for the most part they are more family
orientated
than Americans.
Finally, something I agree on with Osprey.
In my sociology class, we did a study on the different ethinicities,
Americans can take some good lessons on family values from hispanics.
They are very family orientated, very hard working, and they don't need
a lot to enjoy life. In a way, they remind me a lot of our Amish
communities.
You probably wouldn't like it but they are very strict on their children
and
they recognize roles that members of the family are active in..such as the
men work and the women stay home for the most part and nurture the
children,
ect...
I don't dislike that. That is their choice.
I personally respect them for their hard work and attitudes. They are
very
religious too, something else you hate and can't respect.
While I don't understand it, I certainly don't hate it or disrespect it.
But the point of this issue is...
If they are going to come into this country then do it legally. Don't come
in illegally and stay in this country.
Many can't come here legally. Especially under the Bush White House.
You can't understand the issue, it's obvious. No one is saying they have
a
problem with the hispanic community.
I disagree. Our immigration laws are based in racism. When was the
last time you heard of a European who had trouble coming her to live?
I have never heard of it happening.
When is the last time you had a problem with Europeans' coming across
the borders by the tens of thousands?
<http://memory.loc.gov/learn/educators/workshop/european/wimmlink.html>
It has to be controlled.
That is my point. It IS controlled. Being from the Northeast, you
don't realize how much the Southwest depends on illegal immigration.
Like I
said, I have no problem with anyone coming into our country, just do it
legally.
And like I say, that isn't the issue. We DO regulate immigration.
Politicians just use it as a political issue to distract people from
other issues. They get you looking at the left hand while the right
one robs you.
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| User: "osprey" |
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15 Sep 2006 01:02:04 AM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1158296389.235471.41990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <C9adnb4_Vadc7ZTYnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com...
In article <0mqig25scod05i0c0fap4ebqhfj8h9p5n4@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:33:47 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060633473482%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <l1aig291osl39uqu99f05nbn2h3k89su56@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 03:55:31 GMT, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <130920062055328363%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <d5jgg2hg4dbrd5uj51fen7pith3p50c1gh@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:53:19 GMT, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<130920060753196986%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
Do you contend illegal immigrants as a group pay more in taxes
than
they receive in services?
Aside from the fact that their presence is a violation of law,
and
accepting their presence is condoning illegal activity.
I have had a number of immigrants as clients, illegal and legal,
and my
experience has been that they are very hard workers who are
taken
advantage of on a fairly regular basis.
Irrelevant. That has nothing to do with their illegal status. I
would like to see a Federal law requiring anyone who identifies
someone who is an illegal to report them to ICE immediately. No
exceptions under any circumstances.
Anyone who aids an illegal in any way should be charged with a
Federal
felony.
Because?
The are assisting someone who is violating a Federal law. Why
should
they not be so charged?
My point is, why are you so focused on this one particular "crime."
I'm not. This happens to be the one under discussion.
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of. They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here. Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time? I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
They are hard working, and for the most part they are more family
orientated
than Americans.
Finally, something I agree on with Osprey.
In my sociology class, we did a study on the different ethinicities,
Americans can take some good lessons on family values from hispanics.
They are very family orientated, very hard working, and they don't need
a lot to enjoy life. In a way, they remind me a lot of our Amish
communities.
You probably wouldn't like it but they are very strict on their children
and
they recognize roles that members of the family are active in..such as the
men work and the women stay home for the most part and nurture the
children,
ect...
I don't dislike that. That is their choice.
I personally respect them for their hard work and attitudes. They are
very
religious too, something else you hate and can't respect.
While I don't understand it, I certainly don't hate it or disrespect it.
But the point of this issue is...
If they are going to come into this country then do it legally. Don't come
in illegally and stay in this country.
Many can't come here legally. Especially under the Bush White House.
You can't understand the issue, it's obvious. No one is saying they have
a
problem with the hispanic community.
I disagree. Our immigration laws are based in racism. When was the
last time you heard of a European who had trouble coming her to live?
I have never heard of it happening.
When is the last time you had a problem with Europeans' coming across
the borders by the tens of thousands?
<http://memory.loc.gov/learn/educators/workshop/european/wimmlink.html>
It has to be controlled.
That is my point. It IS controlled. Being from the Northeast, you
don't realize how much the Southwest depends on illegal immigration.
You have no idea just how huge the hispanic community is here in
Delaware. The farmers rely on them in a big way and immigration is
busy sending them back. Working down in the southern part of De in one
of our prisons, I see them come in by the dozens. It's so bad here, I
am even thinking of taking up Spanish lessons. Being over the age of
40, I don't know how difficult it would be to learn but I know it's at
the point where we are going to have to know how to speak at least some
Spanish. I am also thinking of starting my younger kids off with some
computer software and having them learn Spanish at home.
I believe that if they are going to live in this country, they must
know how to speak English; however, many don't and being in the field
of work I do...it's important to know some Spanish.
Like I
said, I have no problem with anyone coming into our country, just do it
legally.
And like I say, that isn't the issue. We DO regulate immigration.
Politicians just use it as a political issue to distract people from
other issues. They get you looking at the left hand while the right
one robs you.
Or vice versa...
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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15 Sep 2006 01:00:59 AM |
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osprey wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
I disagree. Our immigration laws are based in racism. When was the
last time you heard of a European who had trouble coming her to live?
I have never heard of it happening.
When is the last time you had a problem with Europeans' coming across
the borders by the tens of thousands? It has to be controlled. Like I
said, I have no problem with anyone coming into our country, just do it
legally.
It already *is* controlled.
What Border Bigots are calling for isn't control.
They're calling for a sealing of the broder, and deportation of our
workforce.
That's why the issue has been pretty much blown off by government
administrations.
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| User: "Attila" |
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15 Sep 2006 04:53:35 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 06:00:59 GMT, Sanders Kaufman <bucky@kaufman.net>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<vkrOg.1376$6S3.322@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> wrote:
osprey wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
I disagree. Our immigration laws are based in racism. When was the
last time you heard of a European who had trouble coming her to live?
I have never heard of it happening.
When is the last time you had a problem with Europeans' coming across
the borders by the tens of thousands? It has to be controlled. Like I
said, I have no problem with anyone coming into our country, just do it
legally.
It already *is* controlled.
What Border Bigots are calling for isn't control.
They're calling for a sealing of the broder,
Yes
and deportation of our
workforce.
Only those here illegally.
That's why the issue has been pretty much blown off by government
administrations.
Who are subject to replacement.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Attila" |
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14 Sep 2006 08:20:32 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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14 Sep 2006 10:58:04 PM |
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In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
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| User: "Attila" |
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15 Sep 2006 04:58:16 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
I would deport a European or Canadian as fast as a South American.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Vast Majority of Citizens Believe Illegals Threat to U.S. |
15 Sep 2006 09:54:13 AM |
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In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I would deport a European or Canadian as fast as a South American.
As I say, the fact that THIS issue bothers you so may you suspect.
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| User: "osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Vast Majority of Citizens Believe Illegals Threat to U.S. |
15 Sep 2006 02:44:11 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
I see Barnes is so obsessed with me, he has to drag me into this
conversation and then on top of things...lie about me.
What he just said above is a lie. I don't condone making abortion
illegal.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I would deport a European or Canadian as fast as a South American.
As I say, the fact that THIS issue bothers you so may you suspect.
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15 Sep 2006 07:32:56 PM |
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In article <1158349451.412638.49010@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any
way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well
be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
I see Barnes is so obsessed with me, he has to drag me into this
conversation and then on top of things...lie about me.
What he just said above is a lie. I don't condone making abortion
illegal.
So you feel abortion should be legal in the eighth month?
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I would deport a European or Canadian as fast as a South American.
As I say, the fact that THIS issue bothers you so may you suspect.
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15 Sep 2006 08:29:19 PM |
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David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1158349451.412638.49010@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any
way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well
be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
I see Barnes is so obsessed with me, he has to drag me into this
conversation and then on top of things...lie about me.
What he just said above is a lie. I don't condone making abortion
illegal.
So you feel abortion should be legal in the eighth month?
Is it now? You are trying to take something I said a long time ago and
tell a lie. I never said that I condone making abortion illegal. I have
said that I feel abortion should remain legal, even though I personally
feel that abortion is wrong. The reason for that is because if a woman
is going to do this, then I would rather see her do it safely than go
into some back alley and possibly kill herself as well as killing her
fetus. Abortion in the 8th month, today, is not legal unless it's for
medical reasons only. I personally have no problem with that. I do
NOT feel that abortion should remain a "choice" in the later stages of
pregnancy when the fetus has become viable.
YOU on the other hand has stated that you have no problem with a woman
killing her fetus at ANY stage of her pregnancy. You have even said
that you think a woman should be able to kill her fetus in the 8th
month, for any reason what so ever. THAT is barbaric, and I noticed
how quickly many of your own advocates quickly abandoned you on that
one.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I would deport a European or Canadian as fast as a South American.
As I say, the fact that THIS issue bothers you so may you suspect.
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15 Sep 2006 09:18:08 PM |
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In article <1158370159.220400.315140@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <1158349451.412638.49010@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
David W. Barnes wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call
the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government
employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in
any
way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may
well
be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine
who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
I see Barnes is so obsessed with me, he has to drag me into this
conversation and then on top of things...lie about me.
What he just said above is a lie. I don't condone making abortion
illegal.
So you feel abortion should be legal in the eighth month?
Is it now?
YES!
You are trying to take something I said a long time ago and
tell a lie. I never said that I condone making abortion illegal.
Answer the question.
I have
said that I feel abortion should remain legal, even though I personally
feel that abortion is wrong. The reason for that is because if a woman
is going to do this, then I would rather see her do it safely than go
into some back alley and possibly kill herself as well as killing her
fetus. Abortion in the 8th month, today, is not legal unless it's for
medical reasons only.
So it is legal.
I personally have no problem with that. I do
NOT feel that abortion should remain a "choice" in the later stages of
pregnancy when the fetus has become viable.
"Should not remain a choice." In other words, "Should be made illegal."
Case closed.
YOU on the other hand has stated that you have no problem with a woman
killing her fetus at ANY stage of her pregnancy.
L I A R
You have even said
that you think a woman should be able to kill her fetus in the 8th
month, for any reason what so ever.
LIAR
THAT is barbaric, and I noticed
how quickly many of your own advocates quickly abandoned you on that
one.
Stop being such a fool. No one "abandon" me. Idiot.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and
people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone
in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being
here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I would deport a European or Canadian as fast as a South American.
As I say, the fact that THIS issue bothers you so may you suspect.
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15 Sep 2006 04:55:00 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:54:13 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920060754121625%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
If all government employees report all illegals it doesn't matter much
what the general population does.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
I never said anything about making legal immigrants illegal. I have
not, am not, and will not address any legal immigrant, their status,
or how they got here.
I am saying anyone here illegally should only be deported. No work
permit, no amnesty, no assistance, nothing other than removing them as
quickly as possible.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
I don't hate them. I simply wish to see them gone. Mexican, Haitian,
Russian, Chinese, Canadian, Spanish, Cuban, Australian, I really
don't care where they came from as long as they are sent back
immediately.
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
Yes.
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I do. But that is not the discussion here.
I also support the elimination of many laws.
I would deport a European or Canadian as fast as a South American.
As I say, the fact that THIS issue bothers you so may you suspect.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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15 Sep 2006 07:32:56 PM |
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In article <2r7mg25t36bidb730pvsta26u1nietf3oc@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:54:13 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920060754121625%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any
way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
If all government employees report all illegals it doesn't matter much
what the general population does.
So you believe all illegal aliens interact with the government?
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
I never said anything about making legal immigrants illegal. I have
not, am not, and will not address any legal immigrant, their status,
or how they got here.
I am saying anyone here illegally should only be deported. No work
permit, no amnesty, no assistance, nothing other than removing them as
quickly as possible.
And I am more concerned with why they are termed "illegal."
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
I don't hate them. I simply wish to see them gone. Mexican, Haitian,
Russian, Chinese, Canadian, Spanish, Cuban, Australian, I really
don't care where they came from as long as they are sent back
immediately.
Good thing no one said that about your ancestors.
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
Yes.
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I do. But that is not the discussion here.
I also support the elimination of many laws.
OK - I'll take you at your word. Maybe it isn't race related with you.
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15 Sep 2006 10:17:28 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:32:56 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920061732569698%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <2r7mg25t36bidb730pvsta26u1nietf3oc@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:54:13 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920060754121625%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any
way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
If all government employees report all illegals it doesn't matter much
what the general population does.
So you believe all illegal aliens interact with the government?
Eventually, yes. I would of course include all medical professionals
in such a requirement.
If they get a ticket that would get them deported. If they apply for
any government services that would of course be enough.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
I never said anything about making legal immigrants illegal. I have
not, am not, and will not address any legal immigrant, their status,
or how they got here.
I am saying anyone here illegally should only be deported. No work
permit, no amnesty, no assistance, nothing other than removing them as
quickly as possible.
And I am more concerned with why they are termed "illegal."
Because they are in the country illegally. They did not follow the
legal procedures to enter.
You must be kidding.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
I don't hate them. I simply wish to see them gone. Mexican, Haitian,
Russian, Chinese, Canadian, Spanish, Cuban, Australian, I really
don't care where they came from as long as they are sent back
immediately.
Good thing no one said that about your ancestors.
Are you assuming my ancestors entered the country in defiance of the
laws in place at the time? As far as I know they did not.
Legal immigration is not under discussion.
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
Yes.
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I do. But that is not the discussion here.
I also support the elimination of many laws.
OK - I'll take you at your word. Maybe it isn't race related with you.
It is purely a law and order issue. If they did not follow the proper
procedures they are here illegally and should be sent back as soon as
possible. After fingerprinting for a database of such people.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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15 Sep 2006 10:54:03 PM |
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In article <sqqmg2hacgi0dfhbr4ki0gskm3r6qft5qv@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:32:56 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920061732569698%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <2r7mg25t36bidb730pvsta26u1nietf3oc@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:54:13 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920060754121625%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government
employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any
way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may
well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine
who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
If all government employees report all illegals it doesn't matter much
what the general population does.
So you believe all illegal aliens interact with the government?
Eventually, yes. I would of course include all medical professionals
in such a requirement.
If they get a ticket that would get them deported. If they apply for
any government services that would of course be enough.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
I never said anything about making legal immigrants illegal. I have
not, am not, and will not address any legal immigrant, their status,
or how they got here.
I am saying anyone here illegally should only be deported. No work
permit, no amnesty, no assistance, nothing other than removing them as
quickly as possible.
And I am more concerned with why they are termed "illegal."
Because they are in the country illegally. They did not follow the
legal procedures to enter.
Brilliant.
You must be kidding.
That is my line.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
I don't hate them. I simply wish to see them gone. Mexican, Haitian,
Russian, Chinese, Canadian, Spanish, Cuban, Australian, I really
don't care where they came from as long as they are sent back
immediately.
Good thing no one said that about your ancestors.
Are you assuming my ancestors entered the country in defiance of the
laws in place at the time? As far as I know they did not.
Legal immigration is not under discussion.
You and I are speaking of two different things.
Now if the
people, and the government, don't have a problem with them being
here,
why give them a hard time?
I am one of 'the people' and I don't want them.
Why?
Because I support a nation of laws, and believe it is necessary to
control our borders. I oppose rewarding those who ignore the law
simply because they don't like it.
So you just favor law enforcement?
Yes.
I am sympathetic to them, generally
speaking.
I am not.
Why?
If they were white I doubt it would be a big problem.
I am not concerned with anything other than their legality. Whether
you believe it or not.
Ten why not crusade for any of thousands of other laws?
I do. But that is not the discussion here.
I also support the elimination of many laws.
OK - I'll take you at your word. Maybe it isn't race related with you.
It is purely a law and order issue. If they did not follow the proper
procedures they are here illegally and should be sent back as soon as
possible. After fingerprinting for a database of such people.
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Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Vast Majority of Citizens Believe Illegals Threat to U.S. |
16 Sep 2006 07:42:07 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:54:03 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920062054039844%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <sqqmg2hacgi0dfhbr4ki0gskm3r6qft5qv@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:32:56 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920061732569698%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <2r7mg25t36bidb730pvsta26u1nietf3oc@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:54:13 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920060754121625%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government
employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in any
way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may
well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine
who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
If all government employees report all illegals it doesn't matter much
what the general population does.
So you believe all illegal aliens interact with the government?
Eventually, yes. I would of course include all medical professionals
in such a requirement.
If they get a ticket that would get them deported. If they apply for
any government services that would of course be enough.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
I never said anything about making legal immigrants illegal. I have
not, am not, and will not address any legal immigrant, their status,
or how they got here.
I am saying anyone here illegally should only be deported. No work
permit, no amnesty, no assistance, nothing other than removing them as
quickly as possible.
And I am more concerned with why they are termed "illegal."
Because they are in the country illegally. They did not follow the
legal procedures to enter.
Brilliant.
Thanks.
You must be kidding.
That is my line.
The question was rather stupid.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
I don't hate them. I simply wish to see them gone. Mexican, Haitian,
Russian, Chinese, Canadian, Spanish, Cuban, Australian, I really
don't care where they came from as long as they are sent back
immediately.
Good thing no one said that about your ancestors.
Are you assuming my ancestors entered the country in defiance of the
laws in place at the time? As far as I know they did not.
Legal immigration is not under discussion.
You and I are speaking of two different things.
I am speaking of only those who are in the country illegally. I
advocate doing whatever it takes without restriction to stop any more
from entering and getting rid of those who are already here no matter
what it takes to do so.
Without any procedure which allows them to stay in the US under any
circumstances. No exceptions.
--
Pro-Choice is Pro-Freedom
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Vast Majority of Citizens Believe Illegals Threat to U.S. |
16 Sep 2006 10:00:18 AM |
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In article <t1sng215ttq1ci1um9bmjlgr03a0cdhu4p@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:54:03 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920062054039844%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <sqqmg2hacgi0dfhbr4ki0gskm3r6qft5qv@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:32:56 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920061732569698%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <2r7mg25t36bidb730pvsta26u1nietf3oc@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:54:13 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <150920060754121625%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <f1ukg25mgq3fpm7n43vpls1fqqtkqirhrq@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:58:04 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <140920062058048286%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
In article <uqvjg291ctc0j2evjubdn322dil1424v1k@4ax.com>, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:55:33 GMT, "David W. Barnes"
<dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<140920060755337571%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
If someone sees a bank robbery in process should they call
the
police?
A murder?
They "should," but it isn't a crime not to.
There should be a federal statute requiring all government
employees
to notify ICE of any illegals that come to their attention in
any
way.
Well, now we are speaking of "government employees." There may
well be
a law requiring that. I was speaking of the general population.
The general population generally is not in a position to determine
who
is legal and who is illegal.
That wasn't my point.
You used the term.
Point, not term.
If all government employees report all illegals it doesn't matter much
what the general population does.
So you believe all illegal aliens interact with the government?
Eventually, yes. I would of course include all medical professionals
in such a requirement.
If they get a ticket that would get them deported. If they apply for
any government services that would of course be enough.
I guess I feel there are more important issues. As I say, my
experience with illegal immigrants is that they are hard working,
honest, and generally taken advantage of.
Irrelevant.
Ridiculous.
No it is not. The only relevant point is their legal status. How
they are treated simply does not matter if they are illegal.
Their legal status is a label. You are making the same kind of
statement Osprey does about abortion. He claims he doesn't oppose
abortion as long as it is legal and then condones making it illegal.
Saying you oppose immigrants only if they are here illegally and then
favoring making immigration illegal is the same as saying you oppose
immigration.
I never said anything about making legal immigrants illegal. I have
not, am not, and will not address any legal immigrant, their status,
or how they got here.
I am saying anyone here illegally should only be deported. No work
permit, no amnesty, no assistance, nothing other than removing them as
quickly as possible.
And I am more concerned with why they are termed "illegal."
Because they are in the country illegally. They did not follow the
legal procedures to enter.
Brilliant.
Thanks.
You must be kidding.
That is my line.
The question was rather stupid.
They often do the work that
others won't do, and I believe the reason the government and
people
"look the other way" is they actually want them here.
I don't.
Most do. It would be a cold day in hell that I would turn someone
in.
I would stand in a blizzard to do it.
Why do you hate them so?
I don't hate them. I simply wish to see them gone. Mexican, Haitian,
Russian, Chinese, Canadian, Spanish, Cuban, Australian, I really
don't care where they came from as long as they are sent back
immediately.
Good thing no one said that about your ancestors.
Are you assuming my ancestors entered the country in defiance of the
laws in place at the time? As far as I know they did not.
Legal immigration is not under discussion.
You and I are speaking of two different things.
I am speaking of only those who are in the country illegally.
And I am speaking of why we make it illegal. The government can't
figure out how to replace the World Trade Center after five years, you
think they are going to catch 12 million people and send them to
another country?
I
advocate doing whatever it takes without restriction to stop any more
from entering and getting rid of those who are already here no matter
what it takes to do so.
Sounds like Germany, 1939.
Without any procedure which allows them to stay in the US under any
circumstances. No exceptions.
Siege Heil!
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Vast Majority of Citizens Believe Illegals Threat to U.S. |
16 Sep 2006 10:25:58 AM |
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:00:18 GMT, "David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id <160920060800178493%dbarnes@aol.com>
wrote:
I am speaking of only those who are in the country illegally.
And I am speaking of why we make it illegal.
Because any sane government recognizes the necessity to control it's
borders.
The government can't
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