On 16 Dec 2007 03:25:38 GMT, in alt.talk.creationism
Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote in
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In our last episode, <1fuq4l.2ck.1...@news.alt.net>, the lovely and talented
J Young broadcast on alt.atheism:

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=26207

Vatican: Catholics are Called to Evangelize the World

12/15/2007
Catholic News Agency

The latest document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

also know as The Inquisition.

I hope they start evangelizing to Evangelicals and Fundamentalists. Some
of them appear to be completely ignorant of what Christianity is, often
to the point of not even knowing that Catholics are Christian.- Hide quoted text -

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On Dec 16, 11:43 am,

On Dec 15, 9:00 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=26207

Vatican: Catholics are Called to Evangelize the World

12/15/2007
Catholic News Agency

The latest document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
entitled "A Doctrinal Note on Some Aspects of Evangelization" strongly
reaffirms the Christian call to Evangelization.

VATICAN CITY (CNA) - The document entitled "A Doctrinal Note on Some Aspects
of Evangelization" which is bound to cause much discussion amongst
Catholics, was published today at the Vatican. The note emphasizes the need
for Catholics to share their faith in Christ and to be "instruments of His
presence and activity in the world."

The document comes as a response "to a certain confusion about whether
Catholics should give testimony about their faith in Christ. "The
congregation," said Cardinal William Joseph Levada, prefect of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "decided to address some
specific points which seem to undermine the fulfillment of Christ's
missionary mandate."

The new document states that there is "growing confusion" regarding the
Church's mission to evangelize. "Some think 'that any attempt to convince
others on religious matters is a limitation of their freedom,' suggesting
that it is enough to invite people 'to act according to their consciences,'
or to 'become more human or more faithful to their own religion,' or 'to
build communities which strive for justice, freedom, peace and solidarity,'
without aiming at their conversion to Christ and to the Catholic faith."

However, the document observes that this way of thinking contains the false
idea that man can be free apart from the truth. It states that, "while some
forms of agnosticism and relativism deny the human capacity for truth, in
fact, human freedom cannot be separated from its reference to truth."

In the search for truth, one cannot do it on his own, the note explains. He
needs "help from others and trust in knowledge that one receives from
others. Thus, teaching and entering into dialogue to lead someone in freedom
to know and to love Christ is not inappropriate encroachment on human
freedom, 'but rather a legitimate endeavor and a service capable of making
human relationships more fruitful'."

Evangelization: Faith in Action

During the presentation, the secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine
of the Faith, Archbishop Angelo Amato said that we cannot just teach the
basics of the doctrine, but must actively live out the Faith.
"Evangelization means not just teaching doctrine but announcing the Lord
Jesus though word and deed, in other words, becoming instruments of His
presence and activity in the world."

He continued, the "primary task of the Church is to lead mankind to
friendship with Jesus Christ, in freedom and respect for the conscience of
others. ... respect for different sensibilities and particular traditions
cannot preclude the need for freedom or for truth, which are the
indispensable prerequisites for any form of dialogue."

Other Cultures

In reference to other cultures, the note highlights "Through evangelization,
cultures are positively affected by the truth of the Gospel. Likewise,
through evangelization, members of the Catholic Church open themselves to
receiving the gifts of other traditions and cultures."

Cardinal Fracncis Arinze, prefect of the Disciple of the Sacraments, made a
number of observations concerning the regions of sub-Saharan Africa where
"African traditional religion has been the dominant religious and cultural
context for centuries. It is also from that context that most converts to
Christianity in these countries in the past two hundred years have come."

"The sharing of our Catholic faith with others who do not yet know Christ
should be regarded as a work of love," he continued, "provided that it is
done with full respect for their human dignity and freedom. Indeed if a
Christian did not try to spread the Gospel by sharing the excelling
knowledge of Jesus Christ with others, we could suspect that Christian
either of lack of total conviction on the faith, or of selfishness and
laziness in not wanting to share the full and abundant means of salvation
with his fellow human beings."

Other Religions

Cardinal Dias, prefect of the Evangelization of the Peoples commented on the
note from an "Asian theological perspective." Evangelization "in a context
of religious pluralism is nothing new for the Church," but it does present
"a particular challenge in modern times because we are living in an age in
which people from different religions meet and interact more than in any
other period in human history."

On a continent with diverse religious traditions, the cardinal noted
"Christians must seek to discover therein the action of the Holy Spirit - in
other words the 'seeds of truth' as Vatican Council II chose to call them -
and lead them, with no pretensions to superiority, to full knowledge of the
truth in Jesus Christ."

Finally, focusing on inter-religious dialogue, Cardinal Dias expressed that
"other religions represent a positive challenge for the Church; they
stimulate her both to discover and recognize the signs of Christ's presence
in the action of the Spirit, and to develop her own identity and bear
witness to the integrity of revelation, of which she is the depositary for
the good of everyone."

--
J Young
jyoungvisi...@aol.com

REPLY: Sadly, the RCC's idea of evangelism is to get people into
their 4-walled Institution instead of preaching the real Gospel of
Christ that saves. As Tom Forrest, right hand man to Pope John Paul
said :" The RCC is the visible sacrament of salvation" -- nothing
could be further from the truth im afraid. Getting saved from sins is
not based on belonging to a church institution, performing sacraments,
doing meritorious good works, atoning for ones sins thru penance and
purgatory, or turning Christ into a wafer then ingesting him....it can
only be based on the totally finished work of christ on calvary and
since HE did it all, it is recieved by simple Faith Alone. Sadly ,
its the RCC and its plethera of religiousity that the unchurched sees
as 'real' christianity. It isnt. Instead, its a personal RELATIONSHIP
to the Saviour who offers free salvation based on what HE
accomplished , plus nothing added. Hope that helps. Email me if you
need to discuss further .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So what happens to the billion+ Catholics when they die?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Dec 16, 11:43 am,

On Dec 15, 9:00 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=26207

Vatican: Catholics are Called to Evangelize the World

12/15/2007
Catholic News Agency

The latest document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
entitled "A Doctrinal Note on Some Aspects of Evangelization" strongly
reaffirms the Christian call to Evangelization.

VATICAN CITY (CNA) - The document entitled "A Doctrinal Note on Some Aspects
of Evangelization" which is bound to cause much discussion amongst
Catholics, was published today at the Vatican. The note emphasizes the need
for Catholics to share their faith in Christ and to be "instruments of His
presence and activity in the world."

The document comes as a response "to a certain confusion about whether
Catholics should give testimony about their faith in Christ. "The
congregation," said Cardinal William Joseph Levada, prefect of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "decided to address some
specific points which seem to undermine the fulfillment of Christ's
missionary mandate."

The new document states that there is "growing confusion" regarding the
Church's mission to evangelize. "Some think 'that any attempt to convince
others on religious matters is a limitation of their freedom,' suggesting
that it is enough to invite people 'to act according to their consciences,'
or to 'become more human or more faithful to their own religion,' or 'to
build communities which strive for justice, freedom, peace and solidarity,'
without aiming at their conversion to Christ and to the Catholic faith."

However, the document observes that this way of thinking contains the false
idea that man can be free apart from the truth. It states that, "while some
forms of agnosticism and relativism deny the human capacity for truth, in
fact, human freedom cannot be separated from its reference to truth."

In the search for truth, one cannot do it on his own, the note explains. He
needs "help from others and trust in knowledge that one receives from
others. Thus, teaching and entering into dialogue to lead someone in freedom
to know and to love Christ is not inappropriate encroachment on human
freedom, 'but rather a legitimate endeavor and a service capable of making
human relationships more fruitful'."

Evangelization: Faith in Action

During the presentation, the secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine
of the Faith, Archbishop Angelo Amato said that we cannot just teach the
basics of the doctrine, but must actively live out the Faith.
"Evangelization means not just teaching doctrine but announcing the Lord
Jesus though word and deed, in other words, becoming instruments of His
presence and activity in the world."

He continued, the "primary task of the Church is to lead mankind to
friendship with Jesus Christ, in freedom and respect for the conscience of
others. ... respect for different sensibilities and particular traditions
cannot preclude the need for freedom or for truth, which are the
indispensable prerequisites for any form of dialogue."

Other Cultures

In reference to other cultures, the note highlights "Through evangelization,
cultures are positively affected by the truth of the Gospel. Likewise,
through evangelization, members of the Catholic Church open themselves to
receiving the gifts of other traditions and cultures."

Cardinal Fracncis Arinze, prefect of the Disciple of the Sacraments, made a
number of observations concerning the regions of sub-Saharan Africa where
"African traditional religion has been the dominant religious and cultural
context for centuries. It is also from that context that most converts to
Christianity in these countries in the past two hundred years have come."

"The sharing of our Catholic faith with others who do not yet know Christ
should be regarded as a work of love," he continued, "provided that it is
done with full respect for their human dignity and freedom. Indeed if a
Christian did not try to spread the Gospel by sharing the excelling
knowledge of Jesus Christ with others, we could suspect that Christian
either of lack of total conviction on the faith, or of selfishness and
laziness in not wanting to share the full and abundant means of salvation
with his fellow human beings."

Other Religions

Cardinal Dias, prefect of the Evangelization of the Peoples commented on the
note from an "Asian theological perspective." Evangelization "in a context
of religious pluralism is nothing new for the Church," but it does present
"a particular challenge in modern times because we are living in an age in
which people from different religions meet and interact more than in any
other period in human history."

On a continent with diverse religious traditions, the cardinal noted
"Christians must seek to discover therein the action of the Holy Spirit - in
other words the 'seeds of truth' as Vatican Council II chose to call them -
and lead them, with no pretensions to superiority, to full knowledge of the
truth in Jesus Christ."

Finally, focusing on inter-religious dialogue, Cardinal Dias expressed that
"other religions represent a positive challenge for the Church; they
stimulate her both to discover and recognize the signs of Christ's presence
in the action of the Spirit, and to develop her own identity and bear
witness to the integrity of revelation, of which she is the depositary for
the good of everyone."

--
J Young
jyoungvisi...@aol.com

REPLY: Sadly, the RCC's idea of evangelism is to get people into
their 4-walled Institution instead of preaching the real Gospel of
Christ that saves. As Tom Forrest, right hand man to Pope John Paul
said :" The RCC is the visible sacrament of salvation" -- nothing
could be further from the truth im afraid. Getting saved from sins is
not based on belonging to a church institution, performing sacraments,
doing meritorious good works, atoning for ones sins thru penance and
purgatory, or turning Christ into a wafer then ingesting him....it can
only be based on the totally finished work of christ on calvary and
since HE did it all, it is recieved by simple Faith Alone. Sadly ,
its the RCC and its plethera of religiousity that the unchurched sees
as 'real' christianity. It isnt. Instead, its a personal RELATIONSHIP
to the Saviour who offers free salvation based on what HE
accomplished , plus nothing added. Hope that helps. Email me if you
need to discuss further .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So what happens to the billion+ Catholics when they die?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Dec 16, 8:43 am,

On Dec 15, 9:00 pm, "J Young" <jyoungvisi...@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=26207

Vatican: Catholics are Called to Evangelize the World

12/15/2007
Catholic News Agency

The latest document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
entitled "A Doctrinal Note on Some Aspects of Evangelization" strongly
reaffirms the Christian call to Evangelization.

VATICAN CITY (CNA) - The document entitled "A Doctrinal Note on Some Aspects
of Evangelization" which is bound to cause much discussion amongst
Catholics, was published today at the Vatican. The note emphasizes the need
for Catholics to share their faith in Christ and to be "instruments of His
presence and activity in the world."

The document comes as a response "to a certain confusion about whether
Catholics should give testimony about their faith in Christ. "The
congregation," said Cardinal William Joseph Levada, prefect of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "decided to address some
specific points which seem to undermine the fulfillment of Christ's
missionary mandate."

The new document states that there is "growing confusion" regarding the
Church's mission to evangelize. "Some think 'that any attempt to convince
others on religious matters is a limitation of their freedom,' suggesting
that it is enough to invite people 'to act according to their consciences,'
or to 'become more human or more faithful to their own religion,' or 'to
build communities which strive for justice, freedom, peace and solidarity,'
without aiming at their conversion to Christ and to the Catholic faith."

However, the document observes that this way of thinking contains the false
idea that man can be free apart from the truth. It states that, "while some
forms of agnosticism and relativism deny the human capacity for truth, in
fact, human freedom cannot be separated from its reference to truth."

In the search for truth, one cannot do it on his own, the note explains. He
needs "help from others and trust in knowledge that one receives from
others. Thus, teaching and entering into dialogue to lead someone in freedom
to know and to love Christ is not inappropriate encroachment on human
freedom, 'but rather a legitimate endeavor and a service capable of making
human relationships more fruitful'."

Evangelization: Faith in Action

During the presentation, the secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine
of the Faith, Archbishop Angelo Amato said that we cannot just teach the
basics of the doctrine, but must actively live out the Faith.
"Evangelization means not just teaching doctrine but announcing the Lord
Jesus though word and deed, in other words, becoming instruments of His
presence and activity in the world."

He continued, the "primary task of the Church is to lead mankind to
friendship with Jesus Christ, in freedom and respect for the conscience of
others. ... respect for different sensibilities and particular traditions
cannot preclude the need for freedom or for truth, which are the
indispensable prerequisites for any form of dialogue."

Other Cultures

In reference to other cultures, the note highlights "Through evangelization,
cultures are positively affected by the truth of the Gospel. Likewise,
through evangelization, members of the Catholic Church open themselves to
receiving the gifts of other traditions and cultures."

Cardinal Fracncis Arinze, prefect of the Disciple of the Sacraments, made a
number of observations concerning the regions of sub-Saharan Africa where
"African traditional religion has been the dominant religious and cultural
context for centuries. It is also from that context that most converts to
Christianity in these countries in the past two hundred years have come."

"The sharing of our Catholic faith with others who do not yet know Christ
should be regarded as a work of love," he continued, "provided that it is
done with full respect for their human dignity and freedom. Indeed if a
Christian did not try to spread the Gospel by sharing the excelling
knowledge of Jesus Christ with others, we could suspect that Christian
either of lack of total conviction on the faith, or of selfishness and
laziness in not wanting to share the full and abundant means of salvation
with his fellow human beings."

Other Religions

Cardinal Dias, prefect of the Evangelization of the Peoples commented on the
note from an "Asian theological perspective." Evangelization "in a context
of religious pluralism is nothing new for the Church," but it does present
"a particular challenge in modern times because we are living in an age in
which people from different religions meet and interact more than in any
other period in human history."

On a continent with diverse religious traditions, the cardinal noted
"Christians must seek to discover therein the action of the Holy Spirit - in
other words the 'seeds of truth' as Vatican Council II chose to call them -
and lead them, with no pretensions to superiority, to full knowledge of the
truth in Jesus Christ."

Finally, focusing on inter-religious dialogue, Cardinal Dias expressed that
"other religions represent a positive challenge for the Church; they
stimulate her both to discover and recognize the signs of Christ's presence
in the action of the Spirit, and to develop her own identity and bear
witness to the integrity of revelation, of which she is the depositary for
the good of everyone."

--
J Young
jyoungvisi...@aol.com

REPLY: Sadly, the RCC's idea of evangelism is to get people into
their 4-walled Institution instead of preaching the real Gospel of
Christ that saves. As Tom Forrest, right hand man to Pope John Paul
said :" The RCC is the visible sacrament of salvation" -- nothing
could be further from the truth im afraid. Getting saved from sins is
not based on belonging to a church institution, performing sacraments,
doing meritorious good works, atoning for ones sins thru penance and
purgatory, or turning Christ into a wafer then ingesting him....it can
only be based on the totally finished work of christ on calvary and
since HE did it all, it is recieved by simple Faith Alone. Sadly ,
its the RCC and its plethera of religiousity that the unchurched sees
as 'real' christianity. It isnt. Instead, its a personal RELATIONSHIP
to the Saviour who offers free salvation based on what HE
accomplished , plus nothing added. Hope that helps. Email me if you
need to discuss further

Yeah, I can see where this Catholic edict to evangelize is headed. The
US fundies like you will get territorial just like you're doing here,
and before too long the US becomes the Belfast of two decades ago.- Hide quoted text -

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