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Science > Abortion |
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"Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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05 Nov 2004 06:06:35 PM |
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Views on abortion |
Abortion can be thought of as a form of self-defence - a mother's way of
defending herself from an unwanted freeloader who will only waste all her
money, time and energy while jeopardising her health.
It's also better for a child not to be brought into the world if it's most
likely only going to suffer and be raised badly.
The female body creates the baby's body (God only creates souls and he only
physically created two humans, Adam and Eve) so the female has the right to
terminate the baby if it threatens her welfare. Animals do the same thing.
They reject their offspring if the conditions are bad. They're smart.
Also the soul doesn't die during an abortion but goes and looks for another
host to inhabit.
Abortion is not murder because an individual must first choose to live and
have a life before another can take that life away. A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
The human body also apparently isn't very valuable anyway because God kills
so many people all the time willy nilly. He can obviously reassign a soul to
anyone anytime in the blink of an eye so it makes little difference how many
babies we abort. Everything is easy for God. There are plenty of other
people around the world having babies all the time anyway, ones that will
provide a far better home to the souls than an adulteress or fornicator ever
could. He should probably thank them for saving him the dilemma.
Also, God doesn't put souls into babies that are going to be aborted anyway
because he's omniscient and he knows that it would be a pointless exercise.
Why would you put a soul into a baby if you knew very well that a few weeks
later you were going to have to take it out again? Duh! It would be a futile
process and God doesn't do futile actions. Well, he does actually.
Thousands of years ago he suddenly lost his patience with humans for some
reason and destroyed all life on earth with a flood just to get rid of the
few thousand evil humans who were getting up his nose, only to find that the
humans who came afterwards quickly became just as evil as the ones before.
Doh!!!
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
08 Nov 2004 07:32:46 PM |
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Abortion is not murder because an individual must first choose to live and
have a life before another can take that life away. A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
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YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even a
fetus.
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| User: "Ragnar Redbeard" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
08 Nov 2004 09:26:05 PM |
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Abortion is not murder because an individual must first choose to live and
have a life before another can take that life away.
Since when is a "choice to live" a requisite for the definition of what is
or isn't a life? It's also hard to choose when you can't articulate your
thoughts or are unaware of the consequences of the choice.
How would you feel about someone who is, say, mentally handicapped and is
incapable of comprehending life the way you define it?
A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
Why not let it sample life and decide for itself. Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even
a
fetus.
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not? You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
-RR
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
08 Nov 2004 10:18:17 PM |
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"Ragnar Redbeard" <tylerdmason@hotmail.com> writes:
Abortion is not murder because an individual must first choose to live and
have a life before another can take that life away.
Since when is a "choice to live" a requisite for the definition of what is
or isn't a life? It's also hard to choose when you can't articulate your
thoughts or are unaware of the consequences of the choice.
How would you feel about someone who is, say, mentally handicapped and is
incapable of comprehending life the way you define it?
Free clue: you're talking about someone who's been born, and is legally
protected.
A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
Why not let it sample life and decide for itself. Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
Why not let the one person present -- the woman who's pregnant and might not
want to be -- exercise HER right to make a choice? For all you know (which
isn't much), she might choose to give birth. That *is* an equally valid
choice, even if you can't quite get your brain around the concept of minding
your own business.
YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even a
fetus.
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not? You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
Quit playing stupid, son. Consent to sex still doesn't equal consent to
pregnancy, no matter how much you want to believe that it's so. Women will
continue to make their own choices without your worthless input, and there's
damn all you can do about it.
Get back in the crease, kid. Both teams are going to use you for the pre-game
shooting practice.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
09 Nov 2004 03:25:52 AM |
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"Ragnar Redbeard" <tylerdmason@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
Why not let it sample life and decide for itself.
Because by then it's too late. Abortion is more humane than waiting for the
child to grow up and then decide to commit suicide.
Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even
a
fetus.
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not?
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the men who persuade the women to sleep
with them, and it's also the men(?) who are making the most noise about how
wrong it is to kill the result of that night of passion.
You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
With the current state of world over-population it has become like a
disease.
Better to die in a warm fluid filled sack with no fear than to suffer or die
later when you're grown up and scared witless because you're able to
comprehend what's happening to you.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
09 Nov 2004 09:43:09 AM |
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"Andrew W \(Paranormal Agnostic\)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message news:<41908d20$0$2677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
"Ragnar Redbeard" <tylerdmason@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
Why not let it sample life and decide for itself.
Because by then it's too late. Abortion is more humane than waiting for the
child to grow up and then decide to commit suicide.
Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even
a
fetus.
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not?
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the men who persuade the women to sleep
with them, and it's also the men(?) who are making the most noise about how
wrong it is to kill the result of that night of passion.
You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
With the current state of world over-population it has become like a
disease.
Better to die in a warm fluid filled sack with no fear than to suffer or die
later when you're grown up and scared witless because you're able to
comprehend what's happening to you.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
Here is something interesting. Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his
espoused wife, being great with child. This verse in the Bible,
written 2000 years ago, indicates that Luke considered Jesus Christ to
be a child while he was still in his mother's womb.
People back then differed from you on another point. Back then
people, including the ones who performed the crucifixion, thought it
was better to die on the cross.
Robert B. winn
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| User: "Pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
09 Nov 2004 12:51:49 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<a17e5e0e.0411090743.59532444@posting.google.com>...
"Andrew W \(Paranormal Agnostic\)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message news:<41908d20$0$2677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
"Ragnar Redbeard" <tylerdmason@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hNWjd.153936$Pl.137669@pd7tw1no...
A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
Why not let it sample life and decide for itself.
Because by then it's too late. Abortion is more humane than waiting for the
child to grow up and then decide to commit suicide.
Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even
a
fetus.
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not?
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the men who persuade the women to sleep
with them, and it's also the men(?) who are making the most noise about how
wrong it is to kill the result of that night of passion.
You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
With the current state of world over-population it has become like a
disease.
Better to die in a warm fluid filled sack with no fear than to suffer or die
later when you're grown up and scared witless because you're able to
comprehend what's happening to you.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
Here is something interesting. Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his
espoused wife, being great with child. This verse in the Bible,
written 2000 years ago,
Wrong, this verse was written by King James. In the orignal text,
Luke (supposedly speaking for God) said that Mary was pregnant.
I suggest you take your little problem with worshiping King James up
with Jesus when he returns to cast you into eternal damnation for
worshiping an idol rather than him. You keep saying that these little
things really annoy him, so I'm sure he'll be really pissed with you.
indicates that Luke considered Jesus Christ to
be a child while he was still in his mother's womb.
People back then differed from you on another point. Back then
people, including the ones who performed the crucifixion, thought it
was better to die on the cross.
Robert B. winn
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| User: "Mark Sebree" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
09 Nov 2004 01:25:06 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<a17e5e0e.0411090743.59532444@posting.google.com>...
"Andrew W \(Paranormal Agnostic\)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message news:<41908d20$0$2677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
"Ragnar Redbeard" <tylerdmason@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hNWjd.153936$Pl.137669@pd7tw1no...
A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
Why not let it sample life and decide for itself.
Because by then it's too late. Abortion is more humane than waiting for the
child to grow up and then decide to commit suicide.
Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even
a
fetus.
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not?
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the men who persuade the women to sleep
with them, and it's also the men(?) who are making the most noise about how
wrong it is to kill the result of that night of passion.
You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
With the current state of world over-population it has become like a
disease.
Better to die in a warm fluid filled sack with no fear than to suffer or die
later when you're grown up and scared witless because you're able to
comprehend what's happening to you.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
Here is something interesting. Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his
espoused wife, being great with child. This verse in the Bible,
written 2000 years ago, indicates that Luke considered Jesus Christ to
be a child while he was still in his mother's womb.
You have been repeatedly told that you are wrong, and you have been
shown to be wrong. The ORIGINAL states that Mary was pregnant. The
Vulgate states that Mary was pregnant. "With child" was not added
until the 1600's in the King James Version was translated, and then,
as now, "with child" is a euphemism that means "pregnant". The
translators were too embarassed to make a literal translation, because
you did not say such things about a lady, especially a noble lady.
People back then differed from you on another point.
They were ignorant and superstitious, like you, Robert, are.
Back then
people, including the ones who performed the crucifixion, thought it
was better to die on the cross.
Robert B. winn
And they were different from you as well. They did not call a fetus a
child, because they knew that a child did not exist until birth.
Mark Sebree
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| User: "boughtmysoul" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
09 Nov 2004 12:50:33 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<a17e5e0e.0411090743.59532444@posting.google.com>...
"Andrew W \(Paranormal Agnostic\)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message news:<41908d20$0$2677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
"Ragnar Redbeard" <tylerdmason@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hNWjd.153936$Pl.137669@pd7tw1no...
A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
Why not let it sample life and decide for itself.
Because by then it's too late. Abortion is more humane than waiting for the
child to grow up and then decide to commit suicide.
Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even
a
fetus.
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not?
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the men who persuade the women to sleep
with them, and it's also the men(?) who are making the most noise about how
wrong it is to kill the result of that night of passion.
You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
With the current state of world over-population it has become like a
disease.
Better to die in a warm fluid filled sack with no fear than to suffer or die
later when you're grown up and scared witless because you're able to
comprehend what's happening to you.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
Here is something interesting. Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his
espoused wife, being great with child. This verse in the Bible,
written 2000 years ago, indicates that Luke considered Jesus Christ to
be a child while he was still in his mother's womb.
People back then differed from you on another point. Back then
people, including the ones who performed the crucifixion, thought it
was better to die on the cross.
Robert B. winn
"Back then" people (i.e. men) thought women who were menstruating
shouldn't be allowed in church.
What's your point?
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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09 Nov 2004 04:21:48 PM |
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Robert B. Winn wrote:
"Andrew W \(Paranormal Agnostic\)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message news:<41908d20$0$2677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>...
"Ragnar Redbeard" <tylerdmason@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hNWjd.153936$Pl.137669@pd7tw1no...
A baby hasn't chosen
anything because it hasn't yet experienced a sample of what life has to
offer.
Why not let it sample life and decide for itself.
Because by then it's too late. Abortion is more humane than waiting for the
child to grow up and then decide to commit suicide.
Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
YEP no one has the right to use my body against my will.........not even
a
fetus.
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not?
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's the men who persuade the women to sleep
with them, and it's also the men(?) who are making the most noise about how
wrong it is to kill the result of that night of passion.
You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
With the current state of world over-population it has become like a
disease.
Better to die in a warm fluid filled sack with no fear than to suffer or die
later when you're grown up and scared witless because you're able to
comprehend what's happening to you.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
Here is something interesting. Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his
espoused wife, being great with child. This verse in the Bible,
written 2000 years ago, indicates that Luke considered Jesus Christ to
be a child while he was still in his mother's womb.
No, Robert. Why do you keep hauling this out when you know better?
People back then differed from you on another point. Back then
people, including the ones who performed the crucifixion, thought it
was better to die on the cross.
Robert B. winn
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
08 Nov 2004 09:37:12 PM |
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How would you feel about someone who is, say, mentally handicapped and is
incapable of comprehending life the way you define it?
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an embryo isn't "someone" it's a wad of tissue and as such, I have the right
to remove it from my body
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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| Title: Re: Views on abortion |
08 Nov 2004 09:39:16 PM |
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Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not? You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
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Agreeing to sex is not agreeing to pregnancy............ it's usually only
agreeing to an orgasm.
No one has the right to use my body against my will......... not even a fetus
and I don't care how the little bugger gets there, if I don't want it.....it's
evicted!
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| User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey" |
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08 Nov 2004 10:19:54 PM |
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(Mizzyandrea) writes:
Normally, nobody is impregnated against their will. You do choose to have
sex, do you not? You make it sound like pregnancy is a random disease that
can strike anywhere, at any time.
Agreeing to sex is not agreeing to pregnancy............ it's usually only
agreeing to an orgasm.
No one has the right to use my body against my will......... not even a fetus
and I don't care how the little bugger gets there, if I don't want it.....it's
evicted!
Notice how "Redbeard" says nothing about offering to carry it himself? All
mouth and balls, and NO brain...an apparent requirement for being a member of
the anti-abort circus.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
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| User: "Mizzyandrea" |
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08 Nov 2004 09:38:06 PM |
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Why not let it sample life and decide for itself. Also, at least you're
calling it a baby.
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well, if it's a baby then it can survive removal from the womb.......so I'll
take it out and if it lives, that's it's "sample"........if not, tough *****
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| User: "Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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05 Nov 2004 06:11:40 PM |
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I forgot to mention that this post was written with half tongue in cheek.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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