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"Gactimus" |
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03 Nov 2004 08:25:04 AM |
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Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death for John Kerry? |
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
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03 Nov 2004 08:47:44 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the
kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would
agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have
given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign
with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill
Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton
Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
You can be damn sure that Hilliary sure won't let him campaign for her :D
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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03 Nov 2004 10:21:10 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton didn't hurt Kerry one bit. If anything, he helped. Kerry hurt Kerry.
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| User: "Eris" |
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04 Nov 2004 08:11:29 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:21:10 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net>
wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton didn't hurt Kerry one bit. If anything, he helped. Kerry hurt Kerry.
How so? Even with the fundies getting out the vote, Kerry still had
close to 50% of the vote.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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05 Nov 2004 08:32:44 AM |
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Eris wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:21:10 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@XcitlinkX.net>
wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton didn't hurt Kerry one bit. If anything, he helped. Kerry hurt Kerry.
How so? Even with the fundies getting out the vote, Kerry still had
close to 50% of the vote.
He got almost 50% of vote, and his plan consisted almost entirely of a
list of complaints about Bush.
He would've won if he actually had a real plan for anything.
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| User: "Geo" |
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04 Nov 2004 08:24:59 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton wasn't the kiss of death. The extent to which Kerry and the
rest of the democrat party has shifted so far left is the reason.
Kerry's scaremongering and lying didn't work. America saw that and
fired even more democrats this year. One would think that after a
decade of losing seats they would get a clue that their party is moving
in the wrong direction.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Nov 2004 11:33:00 PM |
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Geo <geo@sdf.com> wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton wasn't the kiss of death. The extent to which Kerry and the
rest of the democrat party has shifted so far left is the reason.
The Democratic party has shifted to the right. It's the Republican
party which has shifted to the extreme right-wing.
America saw that and
fired even more democrats this year.
The republican lied about democrats incessantly and the public were
suckered.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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05 Nov 2004 07:09:56 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Geo <geo@sdf.com> wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton wasn't the kiss of death. The extent to which Kerry and the
rest of the democrat party has shifted so far left is the reason.
The Democratic party has shifted to the right. It's the Republican
party which has shifted to the extreme right-wing.
America saw that and
fired even more democrats this year.
The republican lied about democrats incessantly and the public were
suckered.
Guffaw!! Another sour grapes story. Have you rioted in the streets
yet, loser?
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Th3 G0ld3n Yrs Sux0r
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05 Nov 2004 07:08:12 PM |
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"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in post
isadnUwfM4shvhHcRVn-qA@bresnan.com on 11/5/04 6:09 PM:
The republican lied about democrats incessantly and the public were
suckered.
Guffaw!! Another sour grapes story. Have you rioted in the streets
yet, loser?
Do you think the Republicans were honest?
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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06 Nov 2004 10:36:19 PM |
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Snit wrote:
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in post
isadnUwfM4shvhHcRVn-qA@bresnan.com on 11/5/04 6:09 PM:
The republican lied about democrats incessantly and the public were
suckered.
Guffaw!! Another sour grapes story. Have you rioted in the streets
yet, loser?
Do you think the Republicans were honest?
Nope. Neither side was honest. Of course I'm neither Repub or Dem.
Just a libertarian.
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Th3 G0ld3n Yrs Sux0r
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Nov 2004 11:59:06 PM |
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GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Geo <geo@sdf.com> wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton wasn't the kiss of death. The extent to which Kerry and the
rest of the democrat party has shifted so far left is the reason.
The Democratic party has shifted to the right. It's the Republican
party which has shifted to the extreme right-wing.
America saw that and
fired even more democrats this year.
The republican lied about democrats incessantly and the public were
suckered.
Guffaw!! Another sour grapes story. Have you rioted in the streets
I see that you're still a stupid little ***** with nothing
intelligent to say.
Typical neocon.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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06 Nov 2004 10:37:10 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Geo <geo@sdf.com> wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton wasn't the kiss of death. The extent to which Kerry and the
rest of the democrat party has shifted so far left is the reason.
The Democratic party has shifted to the right. It's the Republican
party which has shifted to the extreme right-wing.
America saw that and
fired even more democrats this year.
The republican lied about democrats incessantly and the public were
suckered.
Guffaw!! Another sour grapes story. Have you rioted in the streets
I see that you're still a stupid little ***** with nothing
intelligent to say.
Typical neocon.
Yet another hate writing. That's all you do Ray is hate. It really
shows. Now look at what you wrote, hypocrite.
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05 Nov 2004 08:56:21 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Geo <geo@sdf.com> wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton wasn't the kiss of death. The extent to which Kerry and the
rest of the democrat party has shifted so far left is the reason.
The Democratic party has shifted to the right. It's the Republican
party which has shifted to the extreme right-wing.
LOL! You call the last four years a shift to the extreme right?!?!?
Prescription drugs, no child left behind, etc. Hardly a shift to the right.
America saw that and
fired even more democrats this year.
The republican lied about democrats incessantly and the public were
suckered.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Nov 2004 11:58:35 PM |
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Geo <geo@sdf.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Geo <geo@sdf.com> wrote:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
it is time to move on to something else?
Clinton wasn't the kiss of death. The extent to which Kerry and the
rest of the democrat party has shifted so far left is the reason.
The Democratic party has shifted to the right. It's the Republican
party which has shifted to the extreme right-wing.
LOL! You call the last four years a shift to the extreme right?!?!?
Hell yes.
Prescription drugs, no child left behind, etc.
Medicare "reform" which benefits drug companies. "No child left
behind" which is talk and no action.
Hardly a shift to the right.
Almost as far as the Taliban and Iran.
America saw that and
fired even more democrats this year.
The republican lied about democrats incessantly and the public were
suckered.
Sucker.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "forge" |
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07 Nov 2004 03:34:49 PM |
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In article <418B9495.2040701@sdf.com>, Geo <geo@sdf.com> wrote:
LOL! You call the last four years a shift to the extreme right?!?!?
Prescription drugs,
A not-very-clever way of stuffing more money into the pockets of pharma
shareholders.
no child left behind,
A not-very-clever way of yanking money from the nation's schools while
stuffing money in the pockets of people who run standardized-tesing
companies.
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| User: "Matty" |
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04 Nov 2004 08:58:20 AM |
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On 2004-11-05 01:24:59 +1100, Geo <geo@sdf.com> said:
Gactimus wrote:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton
the kiss of death again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like
myself then you would agree that coming out of the debates and the
media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry an edge, but in
the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill
Clinton in must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost
states that Bill Clinton campaigned in for him. Will hardcore Democrats
ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and it is time to
move on to something else?
Clinton wasn't the kiss of death. The extent to which Kerry and the
rest of the democrat party has shifted so far left is the reason.
Kerry's scaremongering and lying didn't work. America saw that and
fired even more democrats this year. One would think that after a
decade of losing seats they would get a clue that their party is moving
in the wrong direction.
What I couldn't get over, is for a left wing party, they didn't seem in
touch too much with its working class roots. Where was the praising of
the working man? the helping of the family? the better health and
education? the law and order? job security? keeping interest rates low?
Kerry seemed to miss *EVERY* major point that *could* have won him voters.
The people voted with their wallets, screw the "morals", Joe Average
went the polls and asked, "the devil we know or the devil we don't"?
Matty
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"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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04 Nov 2004 03:48:29 PM |
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Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush. Your theory is
crap...
Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
: Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death
: again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself then you would agree that
: coming out of the debates and the media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry
: an edge, but in the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill Clinton in
: must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost states that Bill Clinton campaigned
: in for him. Will hardcore Democrats ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and
: it is time to move on to something else?
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05 Nov 2004 09:33:43 AM |
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(Eric Chomko) wrote in
news:cme83d$2ai5$5@news.ums.edu:
Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush.
The Clinton era is dead and gone.
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05 Nov 2004 03:27:15 PM |
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Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: news:cme83d$2ai5$5@news.ums.edu:
: > Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush.
: The Clinton era is dead and gone.
Yeah, that's why Hillary Clinton is a senator. No first lady from the GOP
has had a job like that.
Clinton still lives in the mind's of those that hate him.
Eric
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05 Nov 2004 03:52:18 PM |
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(Eric Chomko) wrote in
news:cmgr7j$1uq8$6@news.ums.edu:
Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
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:> Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush.
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: The Clinton era is dead and gone.
Yeah, that's why Hillary Clinton is a senator.
And that's all she'll be. If she ever tried to run for president, she will lose.
No first lady from the GOP has had a job like that.
No first lady from the GOP is as power hungry as she is.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Nov 2004 12:00:11 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
(Eric Chomko) wrote in
news:cmgr7j$1uq8$6@news.ums.edu:
Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: news:cme83d$2ai5$5@news.ums.edu:
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:> Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush.
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: The Clinton era is dead and gone.
Yeah, that's why Hillary Clinton is a senator.
And that's all she'll be. If she ever tried to run for president, she will lose.
After four more years of Bush I wouldn't bet on it.
No first lady from the GOP has had a job like that.
No first lady from the GOP is as power hungry as she is.
LOL! Being a power-mad lunatic is only bad for Clinton and not for
Bush?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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06 Nov 2004 12:07:11 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmhp9b$cmu$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/5/04 11:00 PM:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
(Eric Chomko) wrote in
news:cmgr7j$1uq8$6@news.ums.edu:
Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: news:cme83d$2ai5$5@news.ums.edu:
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:> Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush.
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: The Clinton era is dead and gone.
Yeah, that's why Hillary Clinton is a senator.
And that's all she'll be. If she ever tried to run for president, she will
lose.
After four more years of Bush I wouldn't bet on it.
But she would not be running against Bush. Rudy Giuliani maybe.... ?
No first lady from the GOP has had a job like that.
No first lady from the GOP is as power hungry as she is.
LOL! Being a power-mad lunatic is only bad for Clinton and not for
Bush?
How many people become president without being power hungry? Who else would
even want the job?
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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| User: "Matty" |
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07 Nov 2004 03:43:28 AM |
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On 2004-11-06 17:07:11 +1100, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> said:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmhp9b$cmu$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/5/04 11:00 PM:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
(Eric Chomko) wrote in
news:cmgr7j$1uq8$6@news.ums.edu:
Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: news:cme83d$2ai5$5@news.ums.edu:
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:> Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush.
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: The Clinton era is dead and gone.
Yeah, that's why Hillary Clinton is a senator.
And that's all she'll be. If she ever tried to run for president, she will
lose.
After four more years of Bush I wouldn't bet on it.
But she would not be running against Bush. Rudy Giuliani maybe.... ?
No first lady from the GOP has had a job like that.
No first lady from the GOP is as power hungry as she is.
LOL! Being a power-mad lunatic is only bad for Clinton and not for
Bush?
How many people become president without being power hungry? Who else would
even want the job?
I couldn't give you a name, but I am sure there have been some
presidents in the past whose drive to make America a better place
superseded any power ambitions for the sake of simply having power.
Matty
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"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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06 Nov 2004 10:39:06 PM |
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Snit wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in post
cmhp9b$cmu$1@bolt.sonic.net on 11/5/04 11:00 PM:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
(Eric Chomko) wrote in
news:cmgr7j$1uq8$6@news.ums.edu:
Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: news:cme83d$2ai5$5@news.ums.edu:
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:> Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush.
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: The Clinton era is dead and gone.
Yeah, that's why Hillary Clinton is a senator.
And that's all she'll be. If she ever tried to run for president, she will
lose.
After four more years of Bush I wouldn't bet on it.
But she would not be running against Bush. Rudy Giuliani maybe.... ?
No first lady from the GOP has had a job like that.
No first lady from the GOP is as power hungry as she is.
LOL! Being a power-mad lunatic is only bad for Clinton and not for
Bush?
How many people become president without being power hungry? Who else would
even want the job?
That's been my stand for a long time. If money is all one wanted, then
become an Enron excutive or... be like Steve Jobs or Gates. But when it
comes to power, there has to be something quite a bit different in they
psychs to go for being president.
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06 Nov 2004 11:21:06 PM |
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"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in post
QK-dneaxZqPcOxDcRVn-3g@bresnan.com on 11/6/04 9:39 PM:
How many people become president without being power hungry? Who else would
even want the job?
That's been my stand for a long time. If money is all one wanted, then
become an Enron excutive or... be like Steve Jobs or Gates. But when it
comes to power, there has to be something quite a bit different in they
psychs to go for being president.
I can't say I would be happy voting for anyone who would want the job. Here
is what I propose... make the presidency be like jury duty... every four
years a citizen is selected at random. You have no choice but to serve. :)
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If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://smallurl.com/?i=15235)
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| User: "GreyCloud" |
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| Title: Re: Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death for John Kerry? |
07 Nov 2004 12:18:11 PM |
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Snit wrote:
"GreyCloud" <mist@cumulus.com> wrote in post
QK-dneaxZqPcOxDcRVn-3g@bresnan.com on 11/6/04 9:39 PM:
How many people become president without being power hungry? Who else would
even want the job?
That's been my stand for a long time. If money is all one wanted, then
become an Enron excutive or... be like Steve Jobs or Gates. But when it
comes to power, there has to be something quite a bit different in they
psychs to go for being president.
I can't say I would be happy voting for anyone who would want the job. Here
is what I propose... make the presidency be like jury duty... every four
years a citizen is selected at random. You have no choice but to serve. :)
Sounds more like a prison sentence to me. Horrors!! <packing bags>
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| User: "Eric Chomko" |
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| Title: Re: Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death for John Kerry? |
08 Nov 2004 01:30:58 PM |
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Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: news:cmgr7j$1uq8$6@news.ums.edu:
: > Gactimus (gactimus@xrs.net) wrote:
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: >: (Eric Chomko) wrote in
: >: news:cme83d$2ai5$5@news.ums.edu:
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: >:> Had Clinton been able to run he may have beaten Bush.
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: >: The Clinton era is dead and gone.
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: > Yeah, that's why Hillary Clinton is a senator.
: And that's all she'll be. If she ever tried to run for president, she will lose.
Maybe so, Cat and Mouse, but the point is that the Clintons aren't
through.
: > No first lady from the GOP has had a job like that.
: No first lady from the GOP is as power hungry as she is.
Right, only the men are allowed to be.
Eric
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| User: "forge" |
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| Title: Re: Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death for John Kerry? |
07 Nov 2004 03:33:19 PM |
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In article <1099691538.wJh/ZtwF3b0ld61Wheg+Gg@bubbanews>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
No first lady from the GOP has had a job like that.
No first lady from the GOP is as power hungry as she is.
That's because to be a woman in the GOP you have to be a Stepford Wife.
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| User: "Tim Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death for John Kerry? |
03 Nov 2004 10:41:59 AM |
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In article <cmapo0$si2$1@news1.usf.edu>, Gactimus wrote:
If you are a hardcore political watcher like myself [...]
You owe many people new keyboards.
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| User: "Miss Anne Thrope" |
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| Title: Re: Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death for John Kerry? |
04 Nov 2004 10:51:32 AM |
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No, I'm fairly certain it was the dull witted voting
masses.............again.
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| User: "Matty" |
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| Title: Re: Was Bill Clinton the kiss of death for John Kerry? |
03 Nov 2004 10:24:47 PM |
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On 2004-11-04 01:25:04 +1100, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> said:
Once again Democratic Voters have to ask themselves, "Was Bill Clinton
the kiss of death again?" If you are a hardcore political watcher like
myself then you would agree that coming out of the debates and the
media hyped weapons story, should have given John Kerry an edge, but in
the last days of the election, Kerry chose to campaign with Bill
Clinton in must win states and, except for Pennsylavia, Kerry lost
states that Bill Clinton campaigned in for him. Will hardcore Democrats
ever get the message that the Clinton Era is over and it is time to
move on to something else?
Well, there were a couple of good points raised by some politics
related reporters; the biggest one was how little one saw of Edwards -
had Edwards been allowed to do his magic with his sweet southern
accent, it would have bought in voters from all ends of the spectrum.
Edwards should have worked the conservative southern states, and John
working the more liberal northern.
The second problem, which I agree with, is that there is *very* little
that seperated Kerry and Bush in the end in regards to tbe big issues.
You could say that Kerry is a "Bush Light", without the religious
rhetoric.
As for Clinton, when you start wheeling out past politicians, you know
you're in trouble; if you can't stand on your own two feet and thus
require former politicians to come back from retirement, then you might
as well throw in the towel.
Matty
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"If a nation could not prosper without the enjoyment of perfect liberty
and perfect justice, there is not in the world a nation which could
ever have prospered." - The Wealth of Nations, Book IV, Chapter IX
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this
world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or
all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
government except all those other forms that have been tried from time
to time." - Sir Winston Churchill, Hansard, November 11, 1947
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