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"Ahn Fyuh Wi Dizayah" |
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21 Dec 2003 11:04:35 AM |
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Was Jesus a Leftist? |
"The leftist of the oversocialized type tries to get off his psychological
leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling. But usually he is not strong
enough to rebel against the most basic values of society. Generally
speaking, the goals of today's leftists are NOT in conflict with the
accepted morality. On the contrary, the left takes an accepted moral
principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses mainstream society of
violating that principle."
- Ted Kaczynski: The Unabomber's Manifesto
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Pro-War religious fanatics in government:
Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Lieberman, Ridge, Cheney and
Bush
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
18 Jan 2004 07:15:19 PM |
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Me <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<srhi-A94B31.11434318012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>...
In article <7943568.0401170442.2a351426@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Me <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<srhi-DB4ED7.19560616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>...
In article <7943568.0401160657.3859e38e@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
8:7 Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon the waters of
the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his
glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his
channels, and go over all his banks;
So what? How is this passage relevant to anything in today's life?
Well, I would liken the pro-abortion faction to the Israelites of
Isaiah's time, and I would liken their future to the future of those
Israelites. The Israelites were conquered and taken captive by the
Assyrians.
There is no "pro-abortin faction" so try again. How is this passage
relevant to today's world?
Well, I do not see a good future for immoral people. As I understand
it, you disagree with me about that.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "newBjorn" |
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14 Jan 2004 01:55:59 AM |
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(bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401131616.40c61974@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401130908.598ffc86@posting.google.com>...
newbjorn@hotmail.com (newBjorn) wrote in message news:<ddb1575a.0401121858.73c8e5ba@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401111957.3b7c5646@posting.google.com>...
"S. C. Claus, esq" <santa@go.*****.yourself.com> wrote in message news:<3FFD03B8.2732@go.*****.yourself.com>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
St. Jackanapes <st-jack@christismybitch.com> wrote in daughters go
a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their
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Well, I think that this verse from Isaiah might clarify some of your concerns.
Isaiah 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
Name one idol that your wimpy god has abolished, Bob. He's not even the
head of the world's largest religion. Big talk from a big loser. The
Pansy of Palestine is a faggoty god. Face it.
Well, if you really feel that way, my suggestion would be to wait for
the second coming of Christ and tell him in person.
Oh, I've been waiting all right. No nails this time. It's buckshot. And
a cattle prod instead of a scourging.
I would not be the one to inform about your problem.
Robert B. Winn
Not if he uses a Milwaukee Screwshooter (tm) with Pozi-Drive (tm)
ceramic-coated deck screws.
Isaiah 5:1 Now will I sing to my well-beloved a song of my beloved
touching his vineyard. My well-beloved hath a vineyard in a very
fruitful field.
Do you highlight all the rude bits in your bible?
you think that Isaiah 5:11 is rude?
Yes
Isaiah 5:21 Woe unto
them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Isaiah was a false prophet
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
14 Jan 2004 07:19:53 AM |
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(newBjorn) wrote in message news:<ddb1575a.0401132355.4a47eb10@posting.google.com>...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401131616.40c61974@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401130908.598ffc86@posting.google.com>...
(newBjorn) wrote in message news:<ddb1575a.0401121858.73c8e5ba@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401111957.3b7c5646@posting.google.com>...
"S. C. Claus, esq" <santa@go.*****.yourself.com> wrote in message news:<3FFD03B8.2732@go.*****.yourself.com>...
Robert B. Winn wrote:
St. Jackanapes <st-jack@christismybitch.com> wrote in daughters go
a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their
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Well, I think that this verse from Isaiah might clarify some of your concerns.
Isaiah 2:18 And the idols he shall utterly abolish.
Name one idol that your wimpy god has abolished, Bob. He's not even the
head of the world's largest religion. Big talk from a big loser. The
Pansy of Palestine is a faggoty god. Face it.
Well, if you really feel that way, my suggestion would be to wait for
the second coming of Christ and tell him in person.
Oh, I've been waiting all right. No nails this time. It's buckshot. And
a cattle prod instead of a scourging.
I would not be the one to inform about your problem.
Robert B. Winn
Not if he uses a Milwaukee Screwshooter (tm) with Pozi-Drive (tm)
ceramic-coated deck screws.
Isaiah 5:1 Now will I sing to my well-beloved a song of my beloved
touching his vineyard. My well-beloved hath a vineyard in a very
fruitful field.
Do you highlight all the rude bits in your bible?
you think that Isaiah 5:11 is rude?
Yes
Isaiah 5:21 Woe unto
them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Isaiah 5:28 Whose arrows are sharp, and all their bows bent, their
horses' hoofs shall be counted like flint, and their wheels like a
whirlwind:
Robert B. winn
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| User: "Me" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
15 Jan 2004 02:10:44 PM |
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In article <7943568.0401140519.4a77cf29@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Isaiah 5:28 Whose arrows are sharp, and all their bows bent, their
horses' hoofs shall be counted like flint, and their wheels like a
whirlwind:
I doubt all of Isaiah's predictions have come true. Do you have proof
that they have?
And I have no clue what Isaiah ment in the above paragraph. What has
horses' hoofs got to do with today's world?
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| User: "ýøwíë" |
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15 Jan 2004 03:11:07 AM |
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Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
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Rev. yowie - ULC 1999 - JRA #1
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
15 Jan 2004 08:01:02 PM |
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ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Me" |
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16 Jan 2004 06:39:10 AM |
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In article <7943568.0401151801.20156f25@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message
news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Ah, so it looks lik YOU were predicted by Isaiah, you and your other
pro-liar friends. I am referred to the passage where it says "he
deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words."
So maybe you have something there. After all, you anti-choice
advocates resort to lying devices at every turn.
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| User: "ýøwíë" |
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15 Jan 2004 10:33:49 PM |
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Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
--
Rev. yowie - ULC 1999 - JRA #1
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
16 Jan 2004 08:28:41 AM |
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ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "bluskie" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
16 Jan 2004 03:55:39 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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16 Jan 2004 09:23:11 PM |
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(bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "ýøwíë" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
17 Jan 2004 04:13:35 AM |
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Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
--
Rev. yowie - ULC 1999 - JRA #1
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
17 Jan 2004 11:39:05 AM |
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"ýøwíë" wrote:
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
You don't wanna know :-)
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| User: "Robert B. Winn" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
18 Jan 2004 02:38:48 PM |
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ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a73aed2123d577d989822@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
Why don't you decide? You were the one who made the word up.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "pr0r3p" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
20 Jan 2004 08:34:06 AM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401181238.7ad277ac@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a73aed2123d577d989822@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
Why don't you decide?
Why don't you tell us since it's in the scripture you quoted above.
You were the one who made the word up.
Nope, sorry, it's in the scripture you quoted above, idiot.
Robert B. Winn
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21 Jan 2004 03:28:46 AM |
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(pr0r3p) wrote in message news:<1686c3b8.0401200634.239d8b7@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401181238.7ad277ac@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a73aed2123d577d989822@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
Why don't you decide?
Why don't you tell us since it's in the scripture you quoted above.
You were the one who made the word up.
Nope, sorry, it's in the scripture you quoted above, idiot.
Robert B. Winn
The word was walk when I wrote it.
Robert B. Winn
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24 Jan 2004 02:17:58 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401210128.5a1f969e@posting.google.com>...
pr0r3p@hotmail.com (pr0r3p) wrote in message news:<1686c3b8.0401200634.239d8b7@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401181238.7ad277ac@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a73aed2123d577d989822@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
Why don't you decide?
Why don't you tell us since it's in the scripture you quoted above.
You were the one who made the word up.
Nope, sorry, it's in the scripture you quoted above, idiot.
Robert B. Winn
The word was walk when I wrote it.
LOL!!! Obviously not, since that's not what's written above. Of
course, I'm sure you think this is another conspiracy that all the
pro-choice people have against you.
Robert B. Winn
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25 Jan 2004 07:51:50 AM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401210128.5a1f969e@posting.google.com>...
pr0r3p@hotmail.com (pr0r3p) wrote in message news:<1686c3b8.0401200634.239d8b7@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401181238.7ad277ac@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a73aed2123d577d989822@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
Why don't you decide?
Why don't you tell us since it's in the scripture you quoted above.
You were the one who made the word up.
Nope, sorry, it's in the scripture you quoted above, idiot.
Robert B. Winn
The word was walk when I wrote it.
Robert B. Winn
No it wasn't, you delusional xian *****, you wrote "wank", you retarded
xian *****, obviously you had your hands on your ***** instead of the
keyboard, wankstain.
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25 Jan 2004 02:11:03 PM |
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(bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401250551.4ba616fa@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401210128.5a1f969e@posting.google.com>...
pr0r3p@hotmail.com (pr0r3p) wrote in message news:<1686c3b8.0401200634.239d8b7@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401181238.7ad277ac@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a73aed2123d577d989822@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
(bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
Why don't you decide?
Why don't you tell us since it's in the scripture you quoted above.
You were the one who made the word up.
Nope, sorry, it's in the scripture you quoted above, idiot.
Robert B. Winn
The word was walk when I wrote it.
Robert B. Winn
No it wasn't, you delusional xian *****, you wrote "wank", you retarded
xian *****, obviously you had your hands on your ***** instead of the
keyboard, wankstain.
Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement.
Robert b. Winn
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26 Jan 2004 06:56:22 AM |
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(Satan) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401251211.26072c35@posting.google.com>...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401250551.4ba616fa@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401210128.5a1f969e@posting.google.com>...
pr0r3p@hotmail.com (pr0r3p) wrote in message news:<1686c3b8.0401200634.239d8b7@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401181238.7ad277ac@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a73aed2123d577d989822@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
Why don't you decide?
Why don't you tell us since it's in the scripture you quoted above.
You were the one who made the word up.
Nope, sorry, it's in the scripture you quoted above, idiot.
Robert B. Winn
The word was walk when I wrote it.
Robert B. Winn
No it wasn't, you delusional xian *****, you wrote "wank", you retarded
xian *****, obviously you had your hands on your ***** instead of the
keyboard, wankstain.
Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement.
Robert b. Winn
Some here say that the word "devil" means accuser, Satan.
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27 Jan 2004 07:02:31 PM |
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(pr0r3p) wrote in message news:<1686c3b8.0401260456.12ff3483@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Satan) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401251211.26072c35@posting.google.com>...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401250551.4ba616fa@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401210128.5a1f969e@posting.google.com>...
(pr0r3p) wrote in message news:<1686c3b8.0401200634.239d8b7@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401181238.7ad277ac@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a73aed2123d577d989822@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401161355.61479422@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a720daddc93ada598981b@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
ýøwíë <damox@pasta.sorc> wrote in message news:<SaTaN1a7076ff236b7b6f989816@news.thepub.now>...
Robert B. Winn said in alt.flame.jesus.christ...
Isaiah was a false prophet
Well, that is a novel idea. Why do all of the things he predicted
come true?
Like what?
Isaiah 31:5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the
churl said to be bountiful.
6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work
iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord,
to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of
the thirsty to fail.
7 The instruments also of the churl are evil he deviseth wicked
devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy
speaketh right.
Amazing! The birth and career of Bruce Lee. Almost word for word.
What else can you do?
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert B. Winn
I see you've been suffering from some serious brain damage lately, did
you fall and hit your head? aaaaawww, poor xian retard.
8:11 For the Lord spake thus to me with a strongf hand, and
instructed me that I should not wank in the way of this people,
saying,
How does one 'wank in the way of this people', Bob?
Why don't you decide?
Why don't you tell us since it's in the scripture you quoted above.
You were the one who made the word up.
Nope, sorry, it's in the scripture you quoted above, idiot.
Robert B. Winn
The word was walk when I wrote it.
Robert B. Winn
No it wasn't, you delusional xian *****, you wrote "wank", you retarded
xian *****, obviously you had your hands on your ***** instead of the
keyboard, wankstain.
Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement.
Robert b. Winn
Some here say that the word "devil" means accuser, Satan.
The word satan in Hebrew means accuser. Devil means spoiler.
Robert B. Winn
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16 Jan 2004 06:53:06 PM |
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In article <7943568.0401160628.1f7163fb@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
8:8 Associate yourselves,O ye people, and ye shall be broken in
pieces; and give ear, all of ye far countries: gird yourselves, and ye
shall be broken in pieces.
Robert, don't you have any original thoughts of your own? Is that
all you can do is quote tired and obsolete rantings from some
dusty old book? God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
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| User: "LordCo" |
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16 Jan 2004 08:22:03 PM |
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In article <srhi-2063E0.19530616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Me
verbally puked the following:
<snip>
God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
They're not allowed, it might lead to questions that thier faith is not
prepared to answer.
LordCo
--------------------------------------------------
LordCo Centre - Repentance Is Futile
http://www.lordcocentre.com
"Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever
conceived."
Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Me" |
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17 Jan 2004 05:44:29 AM |
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In article <MPG.1a723a96c43ce69198968a@news.telus.net>,
LordCo <lordco@lordcokissmyheathenkeistercentre.com> wrote:
In article <srhi-2063E0.19530616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Me
verbally puked the following:
<snip>
God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
They're not allowed, it might lead to questions that thier faith is not
prepared to answer.
Good point. I guess that's why this Christian cult frowns upon
asking questions. Those who question their religion often realize
that it is all supposition with no proof that it is real.
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17 Jan 2004 06:52:17 AM |
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LordCo <lordco@lordcokissmyheathenkeistercentre.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a723a96c43ce69198968a@news.telus.net>...
In article <srhi-2063E0.19530616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Me
verbally puked the following:
<snip>
God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
They're not allowed, it might lead to questions that thier faith is not
prepared to answer.
LordCo
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LordCo Centre - Repentance Is Futile
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent,
for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Robert b. winn
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17 Jan 2004 04:56:32 PM |
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(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401170452.3d9452ae@posting.google.com>...
LordCo <lordco@lordcokissmyheathenkeistercentre.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a723a96c43ce69198968a@news.telus.net>...
In article <srhi-2063E0.19530616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Me
verbally puked the following:
<snip>
God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
They're not allowed, it might lead to questions that thier faith is not
prepared to answer.
LordCo
--------------------------------------------------
LordCo Centre - Repentance Is Futile
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent,
for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Robert b. winn
I think I've heard about enough, you stunned fuckwit, I've got more
interesting xian retards to flame.
**PLONK**
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17 Jan 2004 09:00:12 PM |
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(bluskie) wrote in message news:<a9dd1b95.0401171456.7197b3fe@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message news:<7943568.0401170452.3d9452ae@posting.google.com>...
LordCo <lordco@lordcokissmyheathenkeistercentre.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a723a96c43ce69198968a@news.telus.net>...
In article <srhi-2063E0.19530616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Me
verbally puked the following:
<snip>
God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
They're not allowed, it might lead to questions that thier faith is not
prepared to answer.
LordCo
--------------------------------------------------
LordCo Centre - Repentance Is Futile
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent,
for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Robert b. winn
I think I've heard about enough, you stunned fuckwit, I've got more
interesting xian retards to flame.
**PLONK**
No staying power.
8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for
signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth
in mount Zion.
Robert B. Winn
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18 Jan 2004 10:50:54 AM |
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In article <7943568.0401171900.432959c6@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message
news:<a9dd1b95.0401171456.7197b3fe@posting.google.com>...
(Robert B. Winn) wrote in message
news:<7943568.0401170452.3d9452ae@posting.google.com>...
LordCo <lordco@lordcokissmyheathenkeistercentre.com> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1a723a96c43ce69198968a@news.telus.net>...
In article <srhi-2063E0.19530616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Me
verbally puked the following:
<snip>
God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
They're not allowed, it might lead to questions that thier faith is not
prepared to answer.
LordCo
--------------------------------------------------
LordCo Centre - Repentance Is Futile
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent,
for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Robert b. winn
I think I've heard about enough, you stunned fuckwit, I've got more
interesting xian retards to flame.
**PLONK**
No staying power.
8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for
signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth
in mount Zion.
Uh huh. So I should care about this passage, because?
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
18 Jan 2004 07:08:46 PM |
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Me <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<srhi-5758F1.11505418012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>...
In article <7943568.0401171900.432959c6@posting.google.com>,
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote:
wildbluskies@hotmail.com (bluskie) wrote in message
news:<a9dd1b95.0401171456.7197b3fe@posting.google.com>...
rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message
news:<7943568.0401170452.3d9452ae@posting.google.com>...
LordCo <lordco@lordcokissmyheathenkeistercentre.com> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1a723a96c43ce69198968a@news.telus.net>...
In article <srhi-2063E0.19530616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Me
verbally puked the following:
<snip>
God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
They're not allowed, it might lead to questions that thier faith is not
prepared to answer.
LordCo
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LordCo Centre - Repentance Is Futile
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent,
for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Robert b. winn
I think I've heard about enough, you stunned fuckwit, I've got more
interesting xian retards to flame.
**PLONK**
No staying power.
8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for
signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth
in mount Zion.
Uh huh. So I should care about this passage, because?
Didn't you say you were pro-choice? Why should I be choosing for you
what you should care about?
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Me" |
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| Title: Re: Was Jesus a Leftist? |
18 Jan 2004 10:46:06 AM |
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In article <7943568.0401170452.3d9452ae@posting.google.com>,
(Robert B. Winn) wrote:
LordCo <lordco@lordcokissmyheathenkeistercentre.com> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1a723a96c43ce69198968a@news.telus.net>...
In article <srhi-2063E0.19530616012004@comcast.ash.giganews.com>, Me
verbally puked the following:
<snip>
God gave you a brain, but you appear not to use it.
They're not allowed, it might lead to questions that thier faith is not
prepared to answer.
LordCo
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LordCo Centre - Repentance Is Futile
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent,
for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
The kingdom of heaven is at hand? Well, its been 2,000 years. I guess
you'll have to wait another 2,000 years. Where is this "kingdom of
heaven?"
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