Science > Abortion > Was There Ever Any Atheist Leader Who Was Kind, Honest, Sober And Had A Stable Family Life?
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Was There Ever Any Atheist Leader Who Was Kind, Honest, Sober And Had A Stable Family Life? |
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-great-how-lack-of.html
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
Why is that?
Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well. However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.
Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.
So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.
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16 May 2007 05:33:05 PM |
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"David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com> wrote in message
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On May 16, 8:45 am, "Lord Turkey Cough" <m...@invalid.net> wrote:
"David Schwartz" <dav...@webmaster.com> wrote in message
Yep, anything theists can do to divert attention away from the fact
that their beliefs are false, they will do.
So you accept athiest are evil then? End of.
Nowever they are linked atheists have no moral code and
are inherently evil. That's basically why they choose atheism.
I put this in the same category as the claim that blacks are stupid. I
don't dignify it with any response on its merits because a claim like
that is not capable of having merit.
DS
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16 May 2007 06:54:24 PM |
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"Lord Turkey Cough" <me2@invalid.net> wrote in message
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Nowever they are linked atheists have no moral code and
are inherently evil. That's basically why they choose atheism.
***** you, liar.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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17 May 2007 01:59:02 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Lord Turkey Cough" <me2@invalid.net> wrote in message
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Nowever they are linked atheists have no moral code and
are inherently evil. That's basically why they choose atheism.
***** you, liar.
Yes and they are usually fould mouthed evil pieces too,
you wil find they are all vile pieces of it in reality.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
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16 May 2007 05:42:10 PM |
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"Lord Turkey Cough" <me2@invalid.net> wrote in message
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"David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com> wrote in message
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On May 16, 8:45 am, "Lord Turkey Cough" <m...@invalid.net> wrote:
"David Schwartz" <dav...@webmaster.com> wrote in message
Yep, anything theists can do to divert attention away from the fact
that their beliefs are false, they will do.
So you accept athiest are evil then? End of.
Nowever they are linked atheists have no moral code and
are inherently evil. That's basically why they choose atheism.
I put this in the same category as the claim that blacks are stupid. I
don't dignify it with any response on its merits because a claim like
that is not capable of having merit.
DS
Excuse me for interrupting - but I do not think people "choose" atheism. It
is more a conclusion than a choice.
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17 May 2007 12:32:05 PM |
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On May 16, 3:42 pm, "Imox" <i...@nospam.net> wrote:
Excuse me for interrupting - but I do not think people "choose" atheism. It
is more a conclusion than a choice.
Could you choose to believe that there actually exists a tooth fairy
who trades kids lost teeth for money around the world?
DS
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| User: "brique" |
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17 May 2007 05:32:11 PM |
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JoelKatz <davids@webmaster.com> wrote in message
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On May 16, 3:42 pm, "Imox" <i...@nospam.net> wrote:
Excuse me for interrupting - but I do not think people "choose" atheism.
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is more a conclusion than a choice.
Could you choose to believe that there actually exists a tooth fairy
who trades kids lost teeth for money around the world?
As beleif systems go, it's a pretty harmless one and, unlike most other
beleif systems, the beleiver does get to see some real-world benefits.
DS
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16 May 2007 01:09:12 PM |
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On May 15, 12:53 pm, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Can anyone identify a "leader" for atheist? I can name several known
atheist that fit the rest of the description, but no "leaders" of a
nonexistence movement. Atheist seem to just be people to intelligent
to fall for a con game.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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16 May 2007 01:22:51 PM |
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On May 15, 12:53 pm, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> wrote:
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-grea...
Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.
So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.
Maybe things or ways of life that lead to virtuous thinking lead to
health, if true then it is likely that theism may be sufficient as
somehow related to health care but not necessary for that care since
there are other ways to think and be virtuous sufficiently, Socrates
thinking style for instance;
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/6d6381c40ec99658
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| User: "Hatter" |
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17 May 2007 09:17:33 AM |
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On May 15, 3:53 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
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I noticed:
Non sequitur
Ad Hominem
Fallacy of Company
Ignoring the Counterevidence
Ad Hoc
Anecdotal Evidence
Argumentum ad nauseam
Hasty generalization
***** hoc ergo propter hoc
Affirmation of the consequent
Yeah, strong argument you got there, Godboy.
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17 May 2007 12:26:21 PM |
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On May 17, 9:17 am, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 15, 3:53 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
wrote:
I noticed:
Non sequitur
Ad Hominem
Fallacy of Company
Ignoring the Counterevidence
Ad Hoc
Anecdotal Evidence
Argumentum ad nauseam
Hasty generalization
***** hoc ergo propter hoc
Affirmation of the consequent
Yeah, strong argument you got there, Godboy.
Why worry about all those attributes (Kind, Honest, Sober And A Stable
Family Life) if he/she is a good leader?
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| User: "Imox" |
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17 May 2007 12:32:41 PM |
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"Don Stockbauer" <don.stockbauer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Why worry about all those attributes (Kind, Honest, Sober And A Stable
Family Life) if he/she is a good leader?
Quite!
Hitler was certainly honest - he did not like Jews!
And if your family is wiped out by a car accident or fire - hardly your
fault. Or maybe your partner leaves. Again not your fault.
And as for sober. What is wrong with enjoying a drink here and there?
The qualities that make a good leader are of the character. You can have a
good character and good leadership qualities regardless of whether you are
religious.
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| User: "brique" |
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17 May 2007 05:57:17 PM |
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Imox <imox@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Don Stockbauer" <don.stockbauer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Why worry about all those attributes (Kind, Honest, Sober And A Stable
Family Life) if he/she is a good leader?
Quite!
Hitler was certainly honest - he did not like Jews!
And if your family is wiped out by a car accident or fire - hardly your
fault. Or maybe your partner leaves. Again not your fault.
And as for sober. What is wrong with enjoying a drink here and there?
The qualities that make a good leader are of the character. You can have
a
good character and good leadership qualities regardless of whether you are
religious.
With the recent demise of Falwell, a newspaper here ran a spread on other
well-known 'christian' leaders in a similar vien to Falwell. It was
interesting how many of them seemed to have strayed from the path of
righteousness with marital infidelity the most common wayward lurch and
drink, drugs, sexual depravity and financial mis-conduct pretty much par for
the ocurse. Billy Graham seemed to escape notice for the majority of these
pecadillos, but he did have a most odd friendship with North Korea's Great
Leader... oh, and he enjoyed group sex with hookers after a gig. That he was
an advisor to nine presidents must make one wonder exactly what he was
advising when one considers the moral track record of those nine
presidents....
But back to athiests and their lack of moral fitness in the leadership
stakes. To whom should they look for example and guidance?
Does anybody know of any theist leaders who display the qualities that
Strumpet finds so lacking in non-god-botherers?
It will be, I fear, a long and ultimately fruitless search to find such a
paragon.
Perhaps one must draw the conclusion that its not the theist or athiest
element of a leaders personality that is the core problem, its the 'leader'
bit....
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17 May 2007 07:29:41 PM |
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On 17 May 2007 10:26:21 -0700, Don Stockbauer
<don.stockbauer@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 9:17 am, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 15, 3:53 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
wrote:
I noticed:
Non sequitur
Ad Hominem
Fallacy of Company
Ignoring the Counterevidence
Ad Hoc
Anecdotal Evidence
Argumentum ad nauseam
Hasty generalization
***** hoc ergo propter hoc
Affirmation of the consequent
Yeah, strong argument you got there, Godboy.
Why worry about all those attributes (Kind, Honest, Sober And A Stable
Family Life) if he/she is a good leader?
Well he doesn't, if they are republicans; Does he?
In fact, they don't even have to be good leaders.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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18 May 2007 11:55:55 AM |
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On May 17, 1:26 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 17, 9:17 am,Hatter<Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 15, 3:53 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
wrote:
I noticed:
Non sequitur
Ad Hominem
Fallacy of Company
Ignoring the Counterevidence
Ad Hoc
Anecdotal Evidence
Argumentum ad nauseam
Hasty generalization
***** hoc ergo propter hoc
Affirmation of the consequent
Yeah, strong argument you got there, Godboy.
Why worry about all those attributes (Kind, Honest, Sober And A Stable
Family Life) if he/she is a good leader?- Hide quoted text -
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The old Winston Churchill versus Hitler comparison is apropriate here.
Churchhill: Smoked Constantly, Drank like a fish, Likely was born a
*****, ate whatever he wanted, Cursed regularly, Had a foul
temperment, Screamed at his wife, Yelled at his children, and was a
known womanizer
Hitler was completly faithful to his mistress, never smoked, never had
more than one glass of wine(or champagne), was a vegetarian, and was
fond of children and dogs.
Hatter
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15 May 2007 05:34:10 PM |
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On May 16, 4:53 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
wrote:
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-grea...
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
Religion is the epistemolgy of faith, faith is the acceptance of an
idea without evidence, without any sensory evidence for the acceptance
of that idea.
Perhaps you can list the sensory evidence, that communists leaders
like Marx used, in his idea that communism is a moral virtue.
I've got news for you sunshine, the socialsts and the communists are
as dopey and as mystical in their ideas, about reality of what is
moral, as any mystic on the planet, try again.
Michael Gordge
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Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And there was Mike Gordge who shagged sheep selfishly , outrageously,
cruelly and abrasively (if not openly)
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16 May 2007 05:37:00 PM |
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On May 16, 11:36 pm, Errol <vs.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And here is Mike Gordge who shags sheeple like Ewol selfishly,
outrageously, cruelly and abrasively but the stupid ***** keeps coming
back for more.
MG
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17 May 2007 01:51:11 AM |
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On May 16, 6:37 pm, wrote:
On May 16, 11:36 pm, Errol <vs.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And here is Mike Gordge who shags sheeple like Ewol selfishly,
outrageously, cruelly and abrasively but the stupid ***** keeps coming
back for more.
MG
What does "shag" mean where you are from?
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17 May 2007 02:50:56 PM |
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On 16 May 2007 23:51:11 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 16, 6:37 pm, wrote:
On May 16, 11:36 pm, Errol <vs.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And here is Mike Gordge who shags sheeple like Ewol selfishly,
outrageously, cruelly and abrasively but the stupid ***** keeps coming
back for more.
MG
What does "shag" mean where you are from?
In the UK, it means rough, describes a kind of carpet pile, and a
kind of cheap tobacco.
As a noun, it is a bird "Phalacrocorax aristotelis".
It also means "*****", and hence, takes on all of the attendant
connotations..
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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17 May 2007 05:43:53 PM |
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On 16 May 2007 23:51:11 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 16, 6:37 pm, wrote:
On May 16, 11:36 pm, Errol <vs.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his
first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to
have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And here is Mike Gordge who shags sheeple like Ewol selfishly,
outrageously, cruelly and abrasively but the stupid ***** keeps coming
back for more.
MG
What does "shag" mean where you are from?
In the UK, it means rough, describes a kind of carpet pile, and a
kind of cheap tobacco.
As a noun, it is a bird "Phalacrocorax aristotelis".
It also means "*****", and hence, takes on all of the attendant
connotations..
It can also mean 'tired', as in 'I'm shagged out'. That may be a similar
usage to 'I'm fucked' but is acceptable in general speech as fairly polite.
Another usage means 'hairy' as in 'a shaggy-dog'. Again, probably related
to the tobacco usage, though which came first is debatable.
Yet another is to tease or mildly bully, also to mean something is boring.
But these seem to be primarily British military usages.
--
The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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18 May 2007 12:35:55 PM |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:43:53 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On 16 May 2007 23:51:11 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 16, 6:37 pm, wrote:
On May 16, 11:36 pm, Errol <vs.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his
first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to
have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And here is Mike Gordge who shags sheeple like Ewol selfishly,
outrageously, cruelly and abrasively but the stupid ***** keeps coming
back for more.
MG
What does "shag" mean where you are from?
In the UK, it means rough, describes a kind of carpet pile, and a
kind of cheap tobacco.
As a noun, it is a bird "Phalacrocorax aristotelis".
It also means "*****", and hence, takes on all of the attendant
connotations..
It can also mean 'tired', as in 'I'm shagged out'. That may be a similar
usage to 'I'm fucked' but is acceptable in general speech as fairly polite.
Another usage means 'hairy' as in 'a shaggy-dog'. Again, probably related
to the tobacco usage, though which came first is debatable.
Many years ago, I had a large, very rough haired, Lurcher, and knowing
his proclivity for trying to get his end away, with everything from
the cat, to the horses, I would suggest that "shaggy-dog", probably
came first. (:-)
Yet another is to tease or mildly bully, also to mean something is boring.
But these seem to be primarily British military usages.
Can't say that I ever came across those uses, but that don't mean
much, as every regiment seems to have it's own, pet expressions.
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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19 May 2007 02:58:32 AM |
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Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:43:53 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On 16 May 2007 23:51:11 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 16, 6:37 pm, wrote:
On May 16, 11:36 pm, Errol <vs.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who
was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his
first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to
have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And here is Mike Gordge who shags sheeple like Ewol selfishly,
outrageously, cruelly and abrasively but the stupid ***** keeps
coming
back for more.
MG
What does "shag" mean where you are from?
In the UK, it means rough, describes a kind of carpet pile, and a
kind of cheap tobacco.
As a noun, it is a bird "Phalacrocorax aristotelis".
It also means "*****", and hence, takes on all of the attendant
connotations..
It can also mean 'tired', as in 'I'm shagged out'. That may be a similar
usage to 'I'm fucked' but is acceptable in general speech as fairly
polite.
Another usage means 'hairy' as in 'a shaggy-dog'. Again, probably
related
to the tobacco usage, though which came first is debatable.
Many years ago, I had a large, very rough haired, Lurcher, and knowing
his proclivity for trying to get his end away, with everything from
the cat, to the horses, I would suggest that "shaggy-dog", probably
came first. (:-)
Yet another is to tease or mildly bully, also to mean something is
boring.
But these seem to be primarily British military usages.
Can't say that I ever came across those uses, but that don't mean
much, as every regiment seems to have it's own, pet expressions.
I found it used by older guys, who would have served before and during WW2.
Given the wide spread of service in those days, what with empire and such,
its very likely it was parochial in the way you suggest. And you are
correct, individual regiments do tend to adopt pet expressions, often the
basis for which is obscure, but do act as a 'bonding' mechanism and help
identify who is in the 'gang'...
It can cause amusement, I had a teacher who would try to encourage our
efforts by shouting 'Put a bit of spunk into it, boy!'... Obviously 'spunk'
held a different meaning for him and I wonder if he ever pondered why the
entire class would burst out laughing every time.........
As for the 'shaggy-dog', my experience is that any male dog will shag
anything, regardless of its own hirsuteness,or the hirsuteness of the object
of desire ....:-)
Probably the 'shaggiest' dog is the Old English Sheepdog. and ours
restricted its amorous adventures to the wearers of blue jeans, male or
female mattered not to him... even an obligingly on-heat female of his own
species held no attraction so its no surprise to learn he failed to leave
any heirs.... Obviously this was Darwin in action, eliminating the
non-useful 'denim gene'....:-)
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 08:58:32 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 23:43:53 +0100, "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote in message
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On 16 May 2007 23:51:11 -0700, "Chris H. Fleming"
<chris_h_fleming@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 16, 6:37 pm, wrote:
On May 16, 11:36 pm, Errol <vs.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who
was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his
first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to
have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And here is Mike Gordge who shags sheeple like Ewol selfishly,
outrageously, cruelly and abrasively but the stupid ***** keeps
coming
back for more.
MG
What does "shag" mean where you are from?
In the UK, it means rough, describes a kind of carpet pile, and a
kind of cheap tobacco.
As a noun, it is a bird "Phalacrocorax aristotelis".
It also means "*****", and hence, takes on all of the attendant
connotations..
It can also mean 'tired', as in 'I'm shagged out'. That may be a similar
usage to 'I'm fucked' but is acceptable in general speech as fairly
polite.
Another usage means 'hairy' as in 'a shaggy-dog'. Again, probably
related
to the tobacco usage, though which came first is debatable.
Many years ago, I had a large, very rough haired, Lurcher, and knowing
his proclivity for trying to get his end away, with everything from
the cat, to the horses, I would suggest that "shaggy-dog", probably
came first. (:-)
Yet another is to tease or mildly bully, also to mean something is
boring.
But these seem to be primarily British military usages.
Can't say that I ever came across those uses, but that don't mean
much, as every regiment seems to have it's own, pet expressions.
I found it used by older guys, who would have served before and during WW2.
Given the wide spread of service in those days, what with empire and such,
its very likely it was parochial in the way you suggest. And you are
correct, individual regiments do tend to adopt pet expressions, often the
basis for which is obscure, but do act as a 'bonding' mechanism and help
identify who is in the 'gang'...
It can cause amusement, I had a teacher who would try to encourage our
efforts by shouting 'Put a bit of spunk into it, boy!'... Obviously 'spunk'
held a different meaning for him and I wonder if he ever pondered why the
entire class would burst out laughing every time.........
As for the 'shaggy-dog', my experience is that any male dog will shag
anything, regardless of its own hirsuteness,or the hirsuteness of the object
of desire ....:-)
Probably the 'shaggiest' dog is the Old English Sheepdog. and ours
restricted its amorous adventures to the wearers of blue jeans, male or
female mattered not to him... even an obligingly on-heat female of his own
species held no attraction so its no surprise to learn he failed to leave
any heirs.... Obviously this was Darwin in action, eliminating the
non-useful 'denim gene'....:-)
<groaning loudly> (:-)
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The spelling Like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
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18 May 2007 01:52:49 AM |
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On May 17, 3:51 pm, "Chris H. Fleming" <chris_h_flem...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On May 16, 6:37 pm, wrote:
On May 16, 11:36 pm, Errol <vs.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
And here is Mike Gordge who shags sheeple like Ewol selfishly,
outrageously, cruelly and abrasively but the stupid ***** keeps coming
back for more.
MG
What does "shag" mean where you are from?
In the context I used it, fucking over the sheeple's mind.
In the context dopey Ewol used it, it meant having animal sex, but why
Ewol and chazzzzz, keep imagining humans having sex with animals is a
problem for their doctors, or perhaps animal sex is their fetish they
are proud of.
Kantians, socialists and mystics dont like to have their human
sacrifical ideas compared with those of the Pope, Marx and Hillary
Clinton, so they try and change the subject.
MG
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17 May 2007 01:56:12 AM |
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On May 16, 5:53 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com>
wrote:
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-grea...
Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Its hard to tell.
There have been some decent peopel who have been prime ministers and
presidents of Sweden and Germany and Japan have there not?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Not a leader of anything.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Not a leader of anything.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Not a leader of anything.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
Not a leader of anything.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Yes very nasty.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not a leader of anything.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Actually she didnt embezlze - that was the rumour that sprang up when
she and a lot of money disappeared - it turns out both she and the
money were abducted by her crooked buisness manager who later murdered
her.
Not much of a leader either.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Not a leader of anything.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
Not a leader of anything.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
What was he the leader of?
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it.
It seems remarkable you could only think of two examples!
Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
*****!
Cheers, Mark.
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15 May 2007 02:56:05 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
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http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2007/05/godlessness-is-not-great-how-l
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Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Can anyone find an example of a single prominent theist leader who was
kind...blah, blah, blah....
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16 May 2007 03:18:35 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
Lincoln, for one.
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15 May 2007 03:53:25 PM |
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Was there ever any atheist leader, period?
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16 May 2007 03:19:13 AM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
Was there ever any atheist leader, period?
Well Lincoln was agnostic.
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16 May 2007 06:13:10 PM |
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On May 16, 1:19 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Was there ever any atheist leader, period?
Well Lincoln was agnostic.
I guess I meant atheist leader, in the sense of "leader of atheists"
like this Sound of Flatulence implies. I wouldn't say the US became
particularly non-theist because of Lincoln.
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