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Thursday, May 03, 2007
Godlessness Is Not Great: How The Lack of Religion Poisons Everything
One thing which occurred to me lately: Can anyone find an example of a
single prominent atheistic leader who was kind, honest, and sober and
had a stable family life?
Not Karl Marx - he preached revolution and was an anti-Semite.
Not Friedrich Nietzsche - he never married and apparently died of
syphilis.
Not Sigmund Freud - he was an academic fraud.
Not Bertrand Russell - he was married four times and sexually
promiscuous.
Not Stalin or Mao - the most ruthless killers who ever lived.
Not Ayn Rand, who preached the "virtue" of selfishness and who was
extremely arrogant in her personal life.
Not Madalyn Murray O'Hair - she embezzled outrageously.
Not John Lennon, who was a hard drug user and very cruel to his first
wife and their child.
Even Carl Sagan, who was never really openly an atheist, seems to have
had a very abrasive personality and was divorced twice.
My own father, an outspoken atheist, was a promiscuous drunk.
It's really remarkable when one thinks of it. Not only has there
apparently never been an atheist saint. There has never been a
prominent atheist whom the average person would want to have as a
friend and neighbor.
Why is that?
Admittedly, many theists have been evil as well. However some have
been truly great - for example the Vilna Gaon, the Chofetz Chaim, the
Chazon Ish and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein. But atheism never has leaders
like that.
Personally, I would compare theism to health care. In health care,
there are plenty of quacks, bogus fitness equipment and dangerous
diets. On the other hand, there are some excellent programs as well.
So someone who says, "Forget about a healthy lifestyle; all that stuff
is nonsense" is not a shrewd skeptic; he's a self-indulgent fool.
So perhaps, as Mr. Hitchens writes, God is not great - if you want to
be a selfish creep and not feel guilty about it.
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| User: "brique" |
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| Title: Re: Was There Ever Any Atheist Leader Who Was Kind, Honest, Sober And Had A Stable Family Life? |
16 May 2007 11:39:52 PM |
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Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 16, 1:19 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Was there ever any atheist leader, period?
Well Lincoln was agnostic.
I guess I meant atheist leader, in the sense of "leader of atheists"
like this Sound of Flatulence implies. I wouldn't say the US became
particularly non-theist because of Lincoln.
An agnostic is not an athiest. An agnostic accepts that gods may exist, they
are not members of any sect which may worship any particular one of them, is
all.
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| User: "Kelsey Bjarnason" |
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| Title: Re: Was There Ever Any Atheist Leader Who Was Kind, Honest, SoberAnd Had A Stable Family Life? |
17 May 2007 07:43:59 PM |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 05:39:52 +0100, brique wrote:
Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179357190.649505.274850@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 16, 1:19 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Was there ever any atheist leader, period?
Well Lincoln was agnostic.
I guess I meant atheist leader, in the sense of "leader of atheists"
like this Sound of Flatulence implies. I wouldn't say the US became
particularly non-theist because of Lincoln.
An agnostic is not an athiest. An agnostic accepts that gods may exist,
Just like atheists...
they are not members of any sect which may worship any particular one of
them, is all.
Just like atheists...
Hmm. So explain to us this: a theist _has_ a belief in deities, an
atheist doesn't. What is the third option? No, no, none of this "I don't
know" nonsense, the subject is about beliefs, which one either has or
doesn't have. So what is this magical third option you seem to think
exists?
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EVOLVE! Let the creationists exploit stasis!
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: Was There Ever Any Atheist Leader Who Was Kind, Honest, Sober And Had A Stable Family Life? |
18 May 2007 11:50:18 AM |
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On 16 May 2007 16:13:10 -0700, Neil Kelsey <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On May 16, 1:19 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Neil Kelsey wrote:
Was there ever any atheist leader, period?
Well Lincoln was agnostic.
I guess I meant atheist leader, in the sense of "leader of atheists"
like this Sound of Flatulence implies. I wouldn't say the US became
particularly non-theist because of Lincoln.
Atheist aren't sheep that need a shepherd. Impossible to either
lead or drive anywhere. Theist mind sets are unable to grasp, a
movement that doesn't need leaders. There have been many atheist that
are greatly admired, none are considered leaders.Just intelligent men
and women. Robert Ingersoll, R.A. Heinlein, Mark Twain, Henry David
Thoreau and many others.
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| User: "satyr" |
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| Title: Re: Was There Ever Any Atheist Leader Who Was Kind, Honest, Sober And Had A Stable Family Life? |
15 May 2007 11:54:45 PM |
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What? All of those?
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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